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I was thinking about this Sun interview last week, how they said it was the first tour since René passed away.

Well we all know it's the second tour she's doing without René. It made me think how America and UK are often ignorant on what is happening outside the English speaking world.

 

If it isn't happening in America or UK, it's not happening at all.

Like how foreign movies/TV are rarely shown and foreign language music doesn't sell well.

 

I'm not saying everyone in the English speaking countries are like that, not at all. I'm mainly speaking about the media, how they act.

 

But of course there is always an exception , like last year in NYC where they did mention she was releasing a french CD.

 

Many times I think the media forgets or ignores that Céline has a huge career in French. And that her French albums actually are selling well.

 

It's partially her fault though. She rarely acknowledges her French career in English press. In fact, for many years I got the sense that there was a somewhat concerted effort to actively try to hide her French career from the English audience. There's rarely mention of her beginnings pre-Unison in the English markets... why? The English media would not be so totally ignorant if Celine & team made an active effort to celebrate that part of her career, instead of brushing it away.

 

For instance, why didn't she sing Encore un Soir on Fallon least year? They album and single were hot at the time. Why sing TSMGO? They've certainly had non-English language acts on that show in the past, and if you're going to have a non-English act, I'd argue Celine - arguably the best-selling foreign language act ever - is the one.

 

LOTS of people don't have a clue whatsoever that she's one of the most successful French-language artists in history. Every time she's on US TV these days, there's always social media traffic to the effect of "wow, I had no idea Celine Dion has an accent" or "I didn't know she speaks French"... like, really?

 

I never quite understood why her career was always managed kinda like Canada has been managed for decades - the Two Solitudes. It's an approach that never made sense to me, and even less so now, in such an interconnected and communications-savvy world. And yet still, you can even see it in Aldo's recent interviews upon his resignation, where he said something to the effect of "it's tough managing two completely separate, massive careers". Well, why does it have to be two separate careers? Why not acknowledge and celebrate it as one? It seems like such an antiquated approach.

 

It always bothered me when they removed the accent from her name. I suppose that made some sense at the beginning, for fear of her appearing too foreign and too much effort for people to 'get'. But now? I wish she'd acknowledge her "Frenchness" more. Exotic is is good. It's original, it's classy, it's worldly, it's interesting. Not something to hide. It makes her unique, makes her stand apart from the crowd.

Heck, Beyoncé has an accent and it hasn't hurt her any!

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It's partially her fault though. She rarely acknowledges her French career in English press. In fact, for many years I got the sense that there was a somewhat concerted effort to actively try to hide her French career from the English audience. There's rarely mention of her beginnings pre-Unison in the English markets... why? The English media would not be so totally ignorant if Celine & team made an active effort to celebrate that part of her career, instead of brushing it away.

 

For instance, why didn't she sing Encore un Soir on Fallon least year? They album and single were hot at the time. Why sing TSMGO? They've certainly had non-English language acts on that show in the past, and if you're going to have a non-English act, I'd argue Celine - arguably the best-selling foreign language act ever - is the one.

 

LOTS of people don't have a clue whatsoever that she's one of the most successful French-language artists in history. Every time she's on US TV these days, there's always social media traffic to the effect of "wow, I had no idea Celine Dion has an accent" or "I didn't know she speaks French"... like, really?

 

I never quite understood why her career was always managed kinda like Canada has been managed for decades - the Two Solitudes. It's an approach that never made sense to me, and even less so now, in such an interconnected and communications-savvy world. And yet still, you can even see it in Aldo's recent interviews upon his resignation, where he said something to the effect of "it's tough managing two completely separate, massive careers". Well, why does it have to be two separate careers? Why not acknowledge and celebrate it as one? It seems like such an antiquated approach.

 

It always bothered me when they removed the accent from her name. I suppose that made some sense at the beginning, for fear of her appearing too foreign and too much effort for people to 'get'. But now? I wish she'd acknowledge her "Frenchness" more. Exotic is is good. It's original, it's classy, it's worldly, it's interesting. Not something to hide. It makes her unique, makes her stand apart from the crowd.

Heck, Beyoncé has an accent and it hasn't hurt her any!

I have wondered why they separate the two for years. I guess, and this is a big guess, in the 80's when Rene and her started they felt it was better to play down her French career to an English market so it has remained that way. Old habits die hard but at least she mentioned that she had a new French album (EUS) out.... sort of. When she was on Fallon in 2013 she mentioned she released a French album (SA) however he joked about it "being in another language" so I can see how she gets the feeling of why bother! With this being said though, I wish she would add more of her French catalog to Vegas. It's just so fricken good!! So I completely understand Angelil78's post. Just my thoughts.

 

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i think the language question is very complicated, at least it is in Canada , even more so in the past with the referendum question etc... there must been ggod reasons on why they decided to play it like that.
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angelil78 Rookie

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I agree with the opinions above, Scielle, Dionfanalways and québecflower.

 

I wish she would combine both career. I think her french music is so much better. But I guess it's all about the sales. So many English speaking people would never bother buying albums in a language they don't understand. They are so used to having everything in English.

Like for example subtitles. I don't know how often I've read people in America complaining that a this and that movie is not in English, and it has subtitles.

 

But I have have lots of American and English Céline friends that love her french music a lot. So I'm not generalizing :)

 

And it also bothered me that her name was written Celine and not Céline. I'm very happy that now it's Céline all over the media :)

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Well maybe for her, "the times they are a-changin'" (Bob Dylan)
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I agree with the opinions above, Scielle, Dionfanalways and québecflower.

 

I wish she would combine both career. I think her french music is so much better. But I guess it's all about the sales. So many English speaking people would never bother buying albums in a language they don't understand. They are so used to having everything in English.

Like for example subtitles. I don't know how often I've read people in America complaining that a this and that movie is not in English, and it has subtitles.

 

But I have have lots of American and English Céline friends that love her french music a lot. So I'm not generalizing :)

 

And it also bothered me that her name was written Celine and not Céline. I'm very happy that now it's Céline all over the media :)

it is just a symbol, to be proud of our culture is not that much a confrontation nowadays. The french is losing groung in Canada, and the youngs don't care as much as in the past. My son is taliking both languages, and its not a priority for him to defend french culture. Our culture is not just about the language anyway.

 

I find it important and i'm happy that Celine is going with the accent, But she has done more than all the thinkers to promote french in the world, just by being herself, with or without the accent.

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Javito Apprentice

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I for one dislike the classic logo now being used with the accent on "Céline", when it's never been used like that, because that logo was born and created for an English album (TCOML). Why change that now? To me, it's silly to try to change that now. Her classic logo has always been without the accent, and using it now it's distracting. I don't think it has nothing to do with her being proud of her French origins or not.
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Nobody will notice the accent or the lack of accent (other than us).

Until Céline starts talking of course... :giggle:

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angelil78 Rookie

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it is just a symbol, to be proud of our culture is not that much a confrontation nowadays. The french is losing groung in Canada, and the youngs don't care as much as in the past. My son is taliking both languages, and its not a priority for him to defend french culture. Our culture is not just about the language anyway.

 

I find it important and i'm happy that Celine is going with the accent, But she has done more than all the thinkers to promote french in the world, just by being herself, with or without the accent.

 

 

I think that's sad that people don't defend their language. I think now more than ever it's important to protect languages. But I do get what you mean that a culture isn't all about language.

Maybe I feel this way because not that many people speak my language and we are in a fight to protect the language.

 

 

 

I for one dislike the classic logo now being used with the accent on "Céline", when it's never been used like that, because that logo was born and created for an English album (TCOML). Why change that now? To me, it's silly to try to change that now. Her classic logo has always been without the accent, and using it now it's distracting. I don't think it has nothing to do with her being proud of her French origins or not.

 

I think they are just using it now since it is her name. But I'd like to know why they decided to change it now and not years ago.

But my name has the letter Ö in it and it feel so wrong to write it with only O. I'd say it was the same with the french language, Celine and Céline are different? not sure. But it doesn't bother me at all that they write her name Céline in her old logo. But I do understand where you are coming from :)

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I think that's sad that people don't defend their language. I think now more than ever it's important to protect languages. But I do get what you mean that a culture isn't all about language.

Maybe I feel this way because not that many people speak my language and we are in a fight to protect the language.

 

 

 

 

I think they are just using it now since it is her name. But I'd like to know why they decided to change it now and not years ago.

But my name has the letter Ö in it and it feel so wrong to write it with only O. I'd say it was the same with the french language, Celine and Céline are different? not sure. But it doesn't bother me at all that they write her name Céline in her old logo. But I do understand where you are coming from :)

like in many things, we won't know why...we know it's there... At least we see the accent, it ain't like God :giggle: Edited by québecflower
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Here is a Peter Kay standup, Misheard Song Lyrics. It's pretty funny.

 

He has one about MHWGO. If you are not interested in the whole thing, then start at 2:35 when he starts playing Michael Jackson because .. well you will get it after MHWGO right after :)

 

https://www.facebook.com/PeterKayClips/videos/1488876344496460/

 

This was so funny. Was really gutted they didn't include it on his tour dvd.

I remember this being on fb and Barnev saw it! 😁

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It's partially her fault though. She rarely acknowledges her French career in English press. In fact, for many years I got the sense that there was a somewhat concerted effort to actively try to hide her French career from the English audience. There's rarely mention of her beginnings pre-Unison in the English markets... why? The English media would not be so totally ignorant if Celine & team made an active effort to celebrate that part of her career, instead of brushing it away.

 

For instance, why didn't she sing Encore un Soir on Fallon least year? They album and single were hot at the time. Why sing TSMGO? They've certainly had non-English language acts on that show in the past, and if you're going to have a non-English act, I'd argue Celine - arguably the best-selling foreign language act ever - is the one.

 

LOTS of people don't have a clue whatsoever that she's one of the most successful French-language artists in history. Every time she's on US TV these days, there's always social media traffic to the effect of "wow, I had no idea Celine Dion has an accent" or "I didn't know she speaks French"... like, really?

 

I never quite understood why her career was always managed kinda like Canada has been managed for decades - the Two Solitudes. It's an approach that never made sense to me, and even less so now, in such an interconnected and communications-savvy world. And yet still, you can even see it in Aldo's recent interviews upon his resignation, where he said something to the effect of "it's tough managing two completely separate, massive careers". Well, why does it have to be two separate careers? Why not acknowledge and celebrate it as one? It seems like such an antiquated approach.

 

It always bothered me when they removed the accent from her name. I suppose that made some sense at the beginning, for fear of her appearing too foreign and too much effort for people to 'get'. But now? I wish she'd acknowledge her "Frenchness" more. Exotic is is good. It's original, it's classy, it's worldly, it's interesting. Not something to hide. It makes her unique, makes her stand apart from the crowd.

Heck, Beyoncé has an accent and it hasn't hurt her any!

 

 

In the 90s, Sony/Rene tried to introduce her french music to the public (in Europe it was easy,D'eux/PQTMAE/SISDA were big here), but in the US ii was harder.

The US audience even booed at her concerts, when she sang french songs on the LTAL tour.

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http://www.billboard...es-21st-century

 

Billboard: The 100 Greatest Choruses of the 21st Century:

 

80. Celine Dion, "That's the Way It Is"

 

“Don’t give up on your faith!” pleads Celine in this booming turn-of-the-millennium chorus; but what kind of faith? The lyrics suggest romance, while the backing choir injects some heavenly faith, taking on the heavy lifting in the final chorus -- just after a dramatic key change -- and freeing up Dion for some stunning vocal gymnastics before the finish line.

 

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scielle Apprentice

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cW-a-47ZME

 

In the 90s, Sony/Rene tried to introduce her french music to the public (in Europe it was easy,D'eux/PQTMAE/SISDA were big here), but in the US ii was harder.

The US audience even booed at her concerts, when she sang french songs on the LTAL tour.

 

Huh? People booed? I've never heard that.

 

Thanks for the video! So nice to hear her acknowledge the French part of her careers, sad it doesn't happen more often.

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I risk the chance of sounding a little stupid lol but I have always wondered. "That's the Way it is" is one of Celines highest viewed music videos on Vevo... after all of these years I have always wondered if the music video has a purpose or is supposed to mean something? Am I over thinking it and it really has no purpose or what? The weird room that looks like a laundry room that she sings in confuses me lol. Any ideas people?
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOL a laundry :mdr: :mdr: :mdr: I never looked it that way haha.

 

I've always thought it was a very well illuminated bedroom :P

 

I think the video just portrays normal people in daily life, at work, meeting new people or dating, and that whenever you feel insecure or encountering any problems, even if it's not easy, never give up and go on... it's the power of love after all and love will find a way :P

 

Yeah it's not easy to find the meaning and correlate Céline's videos with the lyrics lol, but please then don't ask about the meaning of the Live (For The One I Love) videoclip. I'm at a total loss about that one :ninja:

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I risk the chance of sounding a little stupid lol but I have always wondered. "That's the Way it is" is one of Celines highest viewed music videos on Vevo... after all of these years I have always wondered if the music video has a purpose or is supposed to mean something? Am I over thinking it and it really has no purpose or what? The weird room that looks like a laundry room that she sings in confuses me lol. Any ideas people?

 

 

 

I think the room in the video means the "private life"and at the end when she turns the camera on the people, it means the "public".

But it's plain to see If you stick together You're gonna find the way, yeah.

So people should respect and love themself and eachother, than you find the love.

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According to a new bio, apparently Sherry Lansing tried to veto MHWGO while she headed up Paramount -

 

http://people.com/mo...p-sharon-stone/

 

"She loved Titanic — but tried to veto Celine Dion’s massive hit

After she renegotiated a deal with 20th Century Fox (the main studio backing the movie) that saw Paramount put up barely a third of the $210 million dollar budget the film eventually required, Lansing was able to take a backseat as she watched James Cameron create his epic Best Picture winner — even through tensions and drama on set. But when she finally saw the finished result, the woman famous for giving constructive notes had just one for Cameron: change the theme song, Celine Dion’s “My Heart Will Go On.”

“I said, ‘Jim, isn’t this a little corny? Do we really need it?’ He said, ‘Oh my God, Sherry! The song is fantastic,’ ” she recalls.

It became one of the best-selling singles in history — as Titanic shattered box office records. It’s still the second highest-grossing movie of all time."

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According to a new bio, apparently Sherry Lansing tried to veto MHWGO while she headed up Paramount -

 

http://people.com/mo...p-sharon-stone/

 

"She loved Titanic — but tried to veto Celine Dion’s massive hit

After she renegotiated a deal with 20th Century Fox (the main studio backing the movie) that saw Paramount put up barely a third of the $210 million dollar budget the film eventually required, Lansing was able to take a backseat as she watched James Cameron create his epic Best Picture winner — even through tensions and drama on set. But when she finally saw the finished result, the woman famous for giving constructive notes had just one for Cameron: change the theme song, Celine Dion’s “My Heart Will Go On.”

“I said, ‘Jim, isn’t this a little corny? Do we really need it?’ He said, ‘Oh my God, Sherry! The song is fantastic,’ ” she recalls.

It became one of the best-selling singles in history — as Titanic shattered box office records. It’s still the second highest-grossing movie of all time."

 

That bítch!

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Does anyone know what Célines current bodyguards are?

 

Saw in the Las Vegas topic that once is Vincent Saunders, but there were at least two other with her at Disney that I've seen around her a lot

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That bítch!

 

Hilarious that she was massively wrong - and is probably constantly being reminded of it!

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If any of you guys want to see behind footage of Celine's concert found one on YouTube it's pretty long(47:04). But it's from 2008 it's in French

It's called Celine Dion Loyaute et Fraternite en Tournee Paris Bercy 2008.

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Beautiful words by Etienne Cardiles the husband of the policeman who was murdered in Paris

 

“You would go to the same concerts again and again, sometimes following an artist on their whole tour. Your favorite star was Céline Dion and Zazie, Madonna, Britney Spears, and so many others who made our windows rattle.”

 

"Tu enchaînais les concerts, suivant parfois les artistes sur une tournée complète. Céline Dion était ton étoile. Zazie, Madonna, ou Britney Spears et tant d'autres faisaient vibrer nos fenêtres."

 

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angelil78 Rookie

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If any of you guys want to see behind footage of Celine's concert found one on YouTube it's pretty long(47:04). But it's from 2008 it's in French

It's called Celine Dion Loyaute et Fraternite en Tournee Paris Bercy 2008.

 

Sure, maybe we can even find someone to translate.

 

I really need study more french!

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How sweet of Celine to send her love to Elton. Hope he gets better soon! (And that's one aging rocker collab I wouldn't mind at all if it were to happen. Always loved that video of him speaking French at her and saying he wants her shoes! Plus it doesn't hurt one bit that he's kind of an honorary Canadian ;) ) Edited by scielle
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How sweet of Celine to send her love to Elton. Hope he gets better soon! (And that's one aging rocker collab I wouldn't mind at all if it were to happen. Always loved that video of him speaking French at her and saying he wants her shoes! Plus it doesn't hurt one bit that he's kind of an honorary Canadian ;) )

 

They did that charity concert that time didn't they?

 

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