"Ashes" - from Deadpool 2 - Official Topic

[jpatdeleon09]

I hope she’ll perform at Oscars next year

[Moleque20]

It is kinda funny! On the release day there were people here being 10000% sure that this song will win an Oscar award, 2-3 Grammys, 6-7 Golden Globe and a Nobel Price! It is just a mediocre ballad for a funny, parody-like film! It is not the "Schindler's list" or "Titanic".

[browseceline]

It is kinda funny! On the release day there were people here being 10000% sure that this song will win an Oscar award, 2-3 Grammys, 6-7 Golden Globe and a Nobel Price! It is just a mediocre ballad for a funny, parody-like film! It is not the "Schindler's list" or "Titanic".

Mediocre?? Okay there is a funny part in it but it is a great song. People think it would have suited the end of avengers because of the lyrics and the emotion in the song. It is a great ballad imo. The best after titanic

 

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[isurrender]

I fail to see the funny part of it when I listen to this song.

 

Perfect example on how the wrapping and marketing can get to your head.

 

Ashes has a lovely message, better than any of her cheesy ballads.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2018 at 10:31 AM by isurrender

[maki_Dion-er]

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The song was considered by many media outlets and general fans as a big contender for an Oscar award, no need to belittle those of us that love it. It's a great song, just because it didn't get any big nominations doesn't make it any less (not the first time songs/movies/actors/singers get snubbed by award shows, happens all the time). Majority of Celine fans love it, non-Celine fans love it, Deadpool fans love it, it's one of her biggest recent English hits. It's a win all around imo, and it doesn't have to be awarded to be a good song.

[Shaun]

I don’t mind that another song may win the Oscar. I don’t mind that there may be a better or more popular choice this year. What I DO mind is that they didn’t even submit the damn thing!

[ryba]

Ok so you might bite my head off but.... I don’t think celine has done anything worthy of an award for her recorded songs recently. She spends like 1 day on a song (if that) recording and then doesn’t bother to perform or promote it!

 

She is so untouchable to both fans and the media recently. When she does do an interview she doesn’t answer what fans want to here. I’m wondering what her team are doing other than sleeping recently. She doesn’t do any tv performances since Aldo left. If she keeps this up she will retire in a few years.

 

Kev x

yes, it really seems like her goal was to become the greatest, achieve the most and then say goodbye.

 

And apart from that, she underestimates herself and her music big time! She assumed that she doesn’t stand the chance to be big again, or she just doesn’t care at all

Edited December 7, 2018 at 11:40 AM by ryba

[ryba]

I fail to see the funny part of it when I listen to this song.

 

Perfect example on how the wrapping and marketing can get to your head.

 

Ashes has a lovely message, better than any of her cheesy ballads.

yes, it should be released and promoted as the first single of the new album and the album should be released shortly after ashes in order to use the momentum of Deadpool, cause people loved the movie and the song and became really interested in Celine.

 

Now the hype is gone and it’s a wasted opportunity... as always... Gosh, she needs a better team and a better timing and strategy. Get the Deadpool marketing team for your music, Celine!

Edited December 7, 2018 at 11:41 AM by ryba

[Moleque20]

Mediocre?? Okay there is a funny part in it but it is a great song. People think it would have suited the end of avengers because of the lyrics and the emotion in the song. It is a great ballad imo. The best after titanic

 

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I really liked it and I still listen to it from time to time, but I believe it is a mediocre ballad. She had some great ballad the last yeas: I Surrender, Breakaway, for example.

[mdion2006]

No Grammy nomination for Ashes or Celine

 

Just Deadpool in the Best Compilation Soundtrack For Visual Media category.

[Daysleeper]

Before talking about organized boycott, laziness or any kind of disrespect towards Céline, I think we should first take in consideration another possibility which is the eligibility of the submission of the song.

 

Original Song:

An original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for

the motion picture. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not

necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the motion picture or as

the first music cue in the end credits.

 

This is quote is taken from the "Rules & Eligibility" section on the official Academy Awards site

 

https://www.oscars.org/oscars/rules-eligibility.

 

Note that they wrote in bold the part that indicates that the song must be written specifically for the film. Has "Ashes" really been written specifically for "Deadpool 2"? I think we all know that it wasn't. So that's probably the reason why the studio didn't submit the song for the nomination. All this talking about boycott and other conspiracy theories are just idle gossips. It's more an expression of our disappointment.

 

I tried to search for some information about whether the rules changed over the years, knowing that "Because You Loved Me" was nominated even though it wasn't written specifically for the film. But I couldn't find anything. But still, the rules are there and quite clear.

[pat200]

oh my not even the grammies. i am seriously starting to think she is blacklisted. can it be that in the last decade and a half, she has no song that can get in with everything that is nominated out there? is the stuff out there that much better???

[Angel2006]

No Grammy nomination for Ashes or Celine

 

Just Deadpool in the Best Compilation Soundtrack For Visual Media category.

 

 

Nooooo

[Javito]

Ok so you might bite my head off but.... I don't think celine has done anything worthy of an award for her recorded songs recently. She spends like 1 day on a song (if that) recording and then doesn't bother to perform or promote it!

 

She is so untouchable to both fans and the media recently. When she does do an interview she doesn't answer what fans want to here. I'm wondering what her team are doing other than sleeping recently. She doesn't do any tv performances since Aldo left. If she keeps this up she will retire in a few years.

 

Kev x

 

My same thoughts too!! She hasn't released any decent song in the last 6 years, so why does this bother so much to some here when we perfectly know Ashes is just another run-of-the-mill song in her career?

 

It is kinda funny! On the release day there were people here being 10000% sure that this song will win an Oscar award, 2-3 Grammys, 6-7 Golden Globe and a Nobel Price! It is just a mediocre ballad for a funny, parody-like film! It is not the "Schindler's list" or "Titanic".

 

Hahahahaha AMEN to this post!!! Exactly and exactly and precisely that I was laughing so hard the first day the song was ever released and fans getting crazy about it as if this was Titanic or something

 

oh my not even the grammies. i am seriously starting to think she is blacklisted. can it be that in the last decade and a half, she has no song that can get in with everything that is nominated out there? is the stuff out there that much better???

 

She HAS been blacklisted in radios since 15 years ago, and thanks to her "I don't give a damn about my new songs/I don't have nothing to prove" attitude in the same last 15 years, she also worked hard now for also BEING blacklisted on award nominations for her English-speaking career too now

Edited December 7, 2018 at 07:03 PM by Javito

[maki_Dion-er]

This was posted in the YouTube topic but I think it fits here better.

Ashes appears in the final segment.

 

 

We can focus on the negative and how the song isn't nominated for big awards (which doesn't make it a mediocre song), etc etc, or look at the bright side of how people have loved the song. I hate to bring down anyone but not even the music videos of Mariah or Cher's new songs made it into this person's (amazing) edit.

 

It may not be a huge hit like MHWGO, or ABM/BYLM/IACBTMN/IA, etc, but this song got people's attention again on Celine and it may very well contribute to her next music being even more of a hit.

 

Not everything has to have a make or break viewpoint.

Edited December 7, 2018 at 07:32 PM by maki_Dion-er

[ryba]

I really miss Aldo, since everythig seems so hopeless right now.

[Davey84]

I really miss Aldo, since everythig seems so hopeless right now.

I miss a manager ... not Aldo

 

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[Matias]

Some people here are dragging the song down because is not from a "serious" movie....so? whats the big problem? is not like Deadpool is being nominated for best drama!

The song WAS written for the movie, just like "Because you loved me"...has nothing to do with the lyrics, but the use of the song and why it was written.

Still don't know WHY it was not even submitted to compete.

Funny video? Yes...funny song? Hell no.

 

Yes...the song is not epic and won't be remembered forever but, take "Shallow" out of "A Star Is Born" and it is a "vanilla" song...but there is SUCH a big hype around Gaga and the movie that Celine gets ignored all the time, like she is now being lampooned and she is even giving the material for it! like, we get it, our love for the 90's and nostalgia and even learning to love things we found cheesy and corny before, like ballads from the mid 90s are back in style...but cut it out.

 

 

Maybe we are so desperate for new material, we see songs like "Ashes" as gems...and in reality is just a "side B" song taken ouf from TCOML era...

Edited December 7, 2018 at 08:37 PM by Matias

[Javito]

Maybe we are so desperate for new material, we see songs like "Ashes" as gems...and in reality is just a "side B" song taken ouf from TCOML era...

 

Exactly! That's precisely what happens here everytime she has released a side single in the last years. It happened with Recovering (oh wow a song from P!nk-I'm dying-this is her next hit!), it happened with HDAMLF (oh wow her next hit recording again for Disney) and it happened again with Ashes. But in the end... these are just more run-of-the-mill songs in her career which pale in comparison to many of her more unknown songs included in her best albums (Next Plane Out, Just Walk Away, NBBMH, The Greatest Reward and so on)

 

They can do so much better, and none of these were single material worth of a nomination, honestly.

 

Yes, there's tons of garbage music and crap singles getting lots of attention out there, but the truth is that for Céline's standards... these songs are not her best. She has lots of unknown songs in her albums that are way much better than these singles...

Edited December 7, 2018 at 09:04 PM by Javito

[browseceline]

 

Exactly! That's precisely what happens here everytime she has released a side single in the last years. It happened with Recovering (oh wow a song from P!nk-I'm dying-this is her next hit!), it happened with HDAMLF (oh wow her next hit recording again for Disney) and it happened again with Ashes. But in the end... these are just more run-of-the-mill songs in her career which pale in comparison to many of her more unknown songs included in her best albums (Next Plane Out, Just Walk Away, NBBMH, The Greatest Reward and so on)

 

They can do so much better, and none of these were single material worth of a nomination, honestly.

 

Yes, there's tons of garbage music and crap singles getting lots of attention out there, but the truth is that for Céline's standards... these songs are not her best. She has lots of unknown songs in her albums that are way much better than these singles...

But it all comes down to taste Javito..

You say it is a b-side song but what i hear ia a great powerballad with gorgeous orchestral arrangement and i totally love it. The greatest reward that you mention..i think it is a very predictable melody And Ashes breaks away from that imo. The melody and lyrics are fresh and i would like to taste more of these kind of songs! That is how i see it;)

 

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[guigafs15]

 

 

Exactly! That's precisely what happens here everytime she has released a side single in the last years. It happened with Recovering (oh wow a song from P!nk-I'm dying-this is her next hit!), it happened with HDAMLF (oh wow her next hit recording again for Disney) and it happened again with Ashes. But in the end... these are just more run-of-the-mill songs in her career which pale in comparison to many of her more unknown songs included in her best albums (Next Plane Out, Just Walk Away, NBBMH, The Greatest Reward and so on)

 

They can do so much better, and none of these were single material worth of a nomination, honestly.

 

Agree. I never thought that Ashes was a big deal. It's a OK song, with a OK lyrics and a good video, that's it. I see no reason to be nominated for anything.

 

Besides, this nominations ain't coming for free anymore. Now there's a hole media tour you need to do promoting the song in order to get attention of the awards and I didn't see that happening.

 

I think the fans are just to desperate to live a huge moment in Celine's career again.

[Nmj]

Apparently the “Deadpool 2” soundtrack, is nominated for a Grammy.

 

Edited December 7, 2018 at 09:54 PM by Nmj

[Javito]

Agree. I never thought that Ashes was a big deal. It's a OK song, with a OK lyrics and a good video, that's it. I see no reason to be nominated for anything.

 

Besides, this nominations ain't coming for free anymore. Now there's a hole media tour you need to do promoting the song in order to get attention of the awards and I didn't see that happening.

 

I think the fans are just to desperate to live a huge moment in Celine's career again.

 

Exactly... indeed. Ashes got the attention it got firstly because of the videoclip and the GREAT exposure it got in the first days of the release. And then of course because the song was linked to a movie that stepped out of Céline's comfort zone.

 

But if we take out these factors, if we eliminate the videoclip and had the song been released without that video... I very much doubt it would had got not even half of the buzz it got because of Céline's acting and jokes in the video

[Peppercorn1991]

Apparently the “Deadpool 2” soundtrack, is nominated for a Grammy.

 

 

Wait so it has been nominated? Confused!

 

Kev x

[Loup_garou]

But if we take out these factors, if we eliminate the videoclip and had the song been released without that video... I very much doubt it would had got not even half of the buzz

 

You could say the exact same thing with MHWGO, no movie no hit. and same goes to countless of classic hits from MJ Thriller to Ariana Grandes' "Thank you, next" ..... there's a reason they come with the whole package.

[Nmj]

 

 

Wait so it has been nominated? Confused!

 

Kev x

 

Total Soundtrack is nominated for a GRAMMY.

Snubbed on all levels for the OSCARS and GOLDEN GLOBES.

 

Someone correct me if I’m wrong but even if DP2 wins the Grammy the Grammy Award count for Celine won’t change, correct?

Edited December 7, 2018 at 10:45 PM by Nmj

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Agree. I never thought that Ashes was a big deal. It's a OK song, with a OK lyrics and a good video, that's it. I see no reason to be nominated for anything.

 

Besides, this nominations ain't coming for free anymore. Now there's a hole media tour you need to do promoting the song in order to get attention of the awards and I didn't see that happening.

 

I think the fans are just to desperate to live a huge moment in Celine's career again.

 

I disagree with the bold. Gaga hasn’t sung Shallow not once in any of the promo she’s done for the movie.

Edited December 7, 2018 at 10:45 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[gafsa]

I don't think Ashes is a mediocre, I think shallow is mediocre, but since it has so much hype around it and it's submitted for an award people see it as a great song. Or maybe it's just not my taste that make me think Shallow is mediocre. The truth is, if I don't like it, it doesn't mean it's a bad song.

Just like some song from Celine's album, some say it's a filler, some say it's a gem.

One thing that we can not lie to our self no matter we like it or not, the fact is poeple loves it, I'm talking about non fans or casual fans.

Edited December 8, 2018 at 12:15 AM by gafsa

[Architsriv0700]

The Deadpool 2 soundtrack has been nominated. So if it wins, whoever features on it shall win grammies-Céline,Cher,Dolly Parton, etc.

[maki_Dion-er]

Maybe we are so desperate for new material, we see songs like "Ashes" as gems...and in reality is just a "side B" song taken ouf from TCOML era...

 

I wasn't a Celine fan before Ashes so, for me, "desperation" for new music wasn't the case. I had not even watched Deadpool when I saw the music video.

 

It's all a matter of taste.

Edited December 8, 2018 at 04:10 AM by maki_Dion-er