Celine (Las Vegas show) [ends: June 8th, 2019] - Official topic

[RosieBarron]

I have a question to those that went this weeks shows , what kind of crowd was in the FORCH section , was it sold out in those sections,

 

I was in the front section for the first show and it was a mixtures of fans and semi fans if you know what I mean. Everyone I spoke to who was a semi fan thought it was brilliant.

[RosieBarron]

She was born to be on stage. If she decides to retire now, it would be to defraud Rene's last will. It is our DUTY AS FANS to encourage her to continue doing new things, new songs, new records, new concerts... otherwise for her it would be like dying slowly. That's why I'm happy that she leaves that eternal prison that is Las Vegas, so she can be a much bigger artist than she already is, that she can be even more appreciated and, above all, that she can do NEW THINGS, not to do the same as always over and over again like he does in Las Vegas.

 

I don't think her retiring would defraud Rene's last will at all. After all she knows more about what that may have been than we do. I've always imagined that Rene would have planned a definitive end to her career and she probably knows what she is aiming for. I think she will just stop, go out on a high and then be done with it. I can't see her retiring and then coming back five years later like other artists. Having been there at the show this week I am even more convinced of this. I can see her retiring at some point in the next few years. Maybe a few more mini tours, a few say month long residencies in Vegas, maybe a few more albums.

 

I also have to say that whilst she was tired and a little distracted, I didn't get the impression that she was bored or didn't want to be there. We have to remember that she is still dealing with a lot emotionally and mentally. We see fun photos of the twins birthday for instance, but just imagine how she feels about these significant dates without Rene there.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Nobody has ever attacked you, some members (including me) just try to make you understand that your argument about Vegas killing Celine's international career is wrong. That would mean that her peers from the 90s and even the 00s Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morissette, Faith Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, just to name a few, would still have numbers 1s all around the globe, when in fact none of them are even close to Celine. You keep saying again and again that the reason radios don't play Celine is Vegas, that the reason Celine doesn't release albums every year is Vegas, that the reason teenagers don't know Celine is Vegas and that's simply a wrong and simplistic analysis. All artists have their peaks and from there is only natural they start losing popularity. Celine (Madonna and Beyonce too) is the exception, none of her peers is enjoying the level of international success she currently has and none of them had a residency in Vegas in the 00s. So if anything one could argue Vegas has helped Celine to stay more relevant. Vegas was a brilliant business/career move (I agree she didn't need so many shows though, why exhausting her voice like that?). But from a career perspective is the best she could do, focus her energy in becoming a touring force. Mariah Carey came to Stockholm in 2016 and sold 4,700 tickets (venue almost empty I was there), one year later Celine visits Stockholm and sells 22,000 tickets and at much higher price (of course I was also there). And I’m not saying I like Vegas any more than you do, I probably hate it more than you do, but facts and numbers prove it haven’t hurt her career at all. Celine wouldn’t be more popular now if she wouldn’t have had a residency in 2003, she could in fact be completely forgotten if it wasn’t for Vegas.

 

This post deserves a marriage proposal

[Nmj]

 

 

I don't think her retiring would defraud Rene's last will at all. After all she knows more about what that may have been than we do. I've always imagined that Rene would have planned a definitive end to her career and she probably knows what she is aiming for. I think she will just stop, go out on a high and then be done with it. I can't see her retiring and then coming back five years later like other artists. Having been there at the show this week I am even more convinced of this. I can see her retiring at some point in the next few years. Maybe a few more mini tours, a few say month long residencies in Vegas, maybe a few more albums.

 

I also have to say that whilst she was tired and a little distracted, I didn't get the impression that she was bored or didn't want to be there. We have to remember that she is still dealing with a lot emotionally and mentally. We see fun photos of the twins birthday for instance, but just imagine how she feels about these significant dates without Rene there.

 

 

 

Nobody has ever attacked you, some members (including me) just try to make you understand that your argument about Vegas killing Celine's international career is wrong. That would mean that her peers from the 90s and even the 00s Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morissette, Faith Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, just to name a few, would still have numbers 1s all around the globe, when in fact none of them are even close to Celine. You keep saying again and again that the reason radios don't play Celine is Vegas, that the reason Celine doesn't release albums every year is Vegas, that the reason teenagers don't know Celine is Vegas and that's simply a wrong and simplistic analysis. All artists have their peaks and from there is only natural they start losing popularity. Celine (Madonna and Beyonce too) is the exception, none of her peers is enjoying the level of international success she currently has and none of them had a residency in Vegas in the 00s. So if anything one could argue Vegas has helped Celine to stay more relevant. Vegas was a brilliant business/career move (I agree she didn't need so many shows though, why exhausting her voice like that?). But from a career perspective is the best she could do, focus her energy in becoming a touring force. Mariah Carey came to Stockholm in 2016 and sold 4,700 tickets (venue almost empty I was there), one year later Celine visits Stockholm and sells 22,000 tickets and at much higher price (of course I was also there). And I’m not saying I like Vegas any more than you do, I probably hate it more than you do, but facts and numbers prove it haven’t hurt her career at all. Celine wouldn’t be more popular now if she wouldn’t have had a residency in 2003, she could in fact be completely forgotten if it wasn’t for Vegas.

 

I agree, I think Vegas has kept Celine the force she is now. We all know we weren’t gonna see the same 90s Celine after her she had her first child, just wasn’t an option any longer, I think Vegas kept Celine on the map and ultimately people saw that after 15 years she’s a force and deserves the respect of the industry and she finally has it, that wasn’t the cause in the 90s.

 

I don’t see her Vegas journey as a “prison “ at all.

However, I think everyone knows that the Vegas show right now as it stands, is not Celine’s best work and seems almost forced at times. The last 2 years haven’t been great and I know she has had her issues understandably within that time. Just keeping it real.

Edited November 2, 2018 at 07:56 PM by Nmj

[maki_Dion-er]

Gripe first.....I really dislike the gold pants. The jacket is fine, but she needs black cigarette pants and different boots or something. The gorgeousness of the jacket is completely lost with the gold pants included....the boots just don't work for this outfit.

 

Yes, the gold blazer with black pants would look much better, more sleek. And maybe combing her hair 🙃

[Nmj]

 

 

Yes, the gold blazer with black pants would look much better, more sleek. And maybe combing her hair 🙃

 

Until she changes the golden hair to brown she should not wear all that gold she beginning to look the Golden statues in Caesars Palace. It all merges together.

[scielle]

Every time I see her in that gold suit, I can't help but think of Liberace (and that's NOT a compliment!)

[DionFanAlways]

I guess I'm the only one that likes the gold suit.

[CelinesDIVO5]

I guess I'm the only one that likes the gold suit.

 

I love it.

[Javito]

Nobody has ever attacked you, some members (including me) just try to make you understand that your argument about Vegas killing Celine's international career is wrong. That would mean that her peers from the 90s and even the 00s Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morissette, Faith Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, just to name a few, would still have numbers 1s all around the globe, when in fact none of them are even close to Celine. You keep saying again and again that the reason radios don't play Celine is Vegas, that the reason Celine doesn't release albums every year is Vegas, that the reason teenagers don't know Celine is Vegas and that's simply a wrong and simplistic analysis. All artists have their peaks and from there is only natural they start losing popularity. Celine (Madonna and Beyonce too) is the exception, none of her peers is enjoying the level of international success she currently has and none of them had a residency in Vegas in the 00s. So if anything one could argue Vegas has helped Celine to stay more relevant. Vegas was a brilliant business/career move (I agree she didn't need so many shows though, why exhausting her voice like that?). But from a career perspective is the best she could do, focus her energy in becoming a touring force. Mariah Carey came to Stockholm in 2016 and sold 4,700 tickets (venue almost empty I was there), one year later Celine visits Stockholm and sells 22,000 tickets and at much higher price (of course I was also there). And I’m not saying I like Vegas any more than you do, I probably hate it more than you do, but facts and numbers prove it haven’t hurt her career at all. Celine wouldn’t be more popular now if she wouldn’t have had a residency in 2003, she could in fact be completely forgotten if it wasn’t for Vegas.

 

I can't believe how many delusional scenarios can you write in just one post

 

The biggest one saying "Celine wouldn’t be more popular now if she wouldn’t have had a residency in 2003, she could in fact be completely forgotten if it wasn’t for Vegas". For God's sake. She's been precisely and exactly forgotten from loads and loads and loads of people who even think she's not active anymore, and you say that Vegas has saved her for not being completely forgotten. Oh.my.God

 

That's why Djs in radios have no idea what's been of her.

 

That's why most people who is not a fan has no clue of her whereabouts and think she doesn't sing anymore.

 

That's why only 2 years after A New Day started she released the song Je ne vous oublie pas and was in tears when she came back to France for promo for the first time since 2002, extremely emotional when asked why she isolated herself in Vegas and when she will tour again and she admits she can't tour because of her contractual obligations with Vegas

 

You positively can assure that Vegas hasn't distanced Celine from all the young audience she had in 2002??? Jesus, that's incredible. EVERY fan that lived the pre-Vegas era knows how popular Celine was in 2002 among the young generations, and you say for a fact that Vegas didn't harm this nor it moved her away from everyone's minds??? You're in an absolute denial!

 

Oh now you say you probably hate Vegas -more than me- lol. What made you take so long to reveal this confession? Maybe you came to terms with the joke her Vegas show has become after all? I'm glad that you admit this after all.

 

Vegas was a brilliant business/career move (I agree she didn't need so many shows though, why exhausting her voice like that?). But from a career perspective is the best she could do, focus her energy in becoming a touring force.

 

You call an absolute brilliant business/career move one who stops a stellar progressive career in 2002 and directly forces her to cancel countless other projects in the coming years because of an impeding contract??? How brilliant

 

You only talk for the numbers in terms of money. You only see how much money she grossed with her Vegas residency. I see how many projects were turned down, how many albums and singles were sistematically ignored in radios (all of a sudden) and how her career has been progressively diminishing internationally because she didn't take care of what happened outside Las Vegas

 

Your facts and numbers only prove that her old formula and hits from the 90s have worked for 15 years by dint of squeezing them and wearing herself out singing them.

Your facts and numbers prove she can employ hundreds of people and revitalise the Vegas strip with her show. That's laudable, I don't deny that. But that you praise this before admitting this adventure has but undermined her own freedom as an artist and her international career on all levels (but money), is beyond denial sorry.

 

From an artistic point of view, your facts and numbers only prove that she lived for 15 years in a gold jail, totally isolated from the music business around the world and forgetting she had a career beyond Vegas, but she didn't care about this.

 

Oh did I say jail? Yes, JAIL. And happens that precisely in the last 48 hours two more fans used this word (and prison) to express their tedium and disappointment with this Vegas adventure. And yes, you attacked me before for describing her Vegas contract with that word, but you seem to remember only what you want

 

So yes, I can positively say and affirm that 15 years of Vegas have completely isolated her from the music business and many fans she had in 2002.

 

And hence radios turned their back on her, because they didn't receive anything from her. No promo for the singles released, no creativity, no tours until 2008. All in all: no commitment. Yes she released some albums. Yes she did some promo for them. But then she totally ignores each new music she releases. Sistematically. She keeps singing the same songs from the 90s. She keeps ignoring her own songs that is filled with gems. We see it everyday in her tours and Vegas shows. So radios are not interested in playing new music from a singer that is doing nothing with the new music.

 

And hence Sony Music eventually turned their back on her too, because if Céline didn't care, they cared even less, and today they don't care at all about what she does or what she doesn't do.

 

And just for the record, most of the singers you have mentioned, including Mariah Carey, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, have had a longer life in radios and received way much more support from radios than Céline has ever got in the last 15 years. There's no point to compare the radio airplay these artists have got with their albums until very recently in radios with what Céline has got because it's ridiculous.

 

While Céline was wearing her voice out in Vegas during the first residence, Mariah had an overwhelming renaissance in radios worldwide with her 2005 album The Emancipation of Mimi and the single We Belong Together. And by the time Celine started to consider a new English album in 2007 and tour with it, Mariah was heavily played still with her 2008 album in Europe and the US (Touch My Body). That you affirm all her peers have received the same treatment from radios around the world is simply a crude falseness

 

Christina Aguilera: while Celine was more and more distanced from radios everywhere as she progressed with her Vegas show, Christina was gaining more and more recognition in the industry with her massively acclaimed album "Back to Basics" (2006) -nominated and Grammy winner as well as #1 in Billboard charts- and confirmed her popularity in radios four years later with "Bionic" (2010) and the single "I'm Not Myself Tonight", ranking inside the top 20 in many European countries.

 

Céline's pressence in radios was but a far memory by 2010 But please don't say all these artists were also ignored because that's simply a lie.

 

What was doing Celine all this time? Performing in Vegas, then touring an album she barely supported while on tour and then taking 6 years until she released a new English album in 2013. To ignore it again of course.

 

That's the reality status of your facts and numbers today, and today we can see Céline herself is bored to death of this show, and just wanting to complete it to finally move on and turn the page...

 

Oh btw I'm glad you come back to the forum after a week without activity only to answer back me (and only ME) -again. True to your habits as usual! I'm glad my posting still irritates you so much

Edited November 2, 2018 at 09:24 PM by Javito

[manu23]

Good for them, too bad only 10 years later they are completely ignored. Thankfully Celine and Rene knew how to handle a career.

 

There is no worse blind who will not see...

[Javito]

I agree, I think Vegas has kept Celine the force she is now. We all know we weren't gonna see the same 90s Celine after her she had her first child, just wasn't an option any longer, I think Vegas kept Celine on the map and ultimately people saw that after 15 years she's a force and deserves the respect of the industry and she finally has it, that wasn't the cause in the 90s.

 

Céline didn't have the respect of the industry before doing Vegas? She didn't have the utmost respect from the industry in 1998 with Titanic? Now this is it, I'm done for today :sofunny:

 

Then what was this about? I must be a fan living in a parallel world

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Vb5zgKp_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW2mw3nz8rk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7ZipF3k6I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUD-GlFAKM

Edited November 2, 2018 at 09:42 PM by Javito

[Nmj]

 

 

Céline didn't have the respect of the industry before doing Vegas? She didn't have the utmost respect from the industry in 1998 with Titanic? Now this is it, I'm done for today :sofunny:

 

Then what was this about? I must be a fan living in a parallel world

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Vb5zgKp_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW2mw3nz8rk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7ZipF3k6I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUD-GlFAKM

 

Javito, I agree with you a lot but come on man, let’s not pretend that in the 90s to like Celine was taboo, and on 2018 that isn’t the case anymore. Give credit where credit is due. I’m also over this current show but I’ll admit that much at least.

[Javito]

Javito, I agree with you a lot but come on man, let’s not pretend that in the 90s to like Celine was taboo, and on 2018 that isn’t the case anymore. Give credit where credit is due. I’m also over this current show but I’ll admit that much at least.

 

But then that's mixing two different stories here. One thing is that being a Céline Dion fan wasn't cool in the 90s and we were even ridiculed (and still happens today, I don't think that has changed much today), and then another very different thing is that Céline hadn't earned already the respect from the industry and the public way before Vegas, which she had enormously and way before 2003. She proved that achievement enough and with honours by her retirement in December 1999

[Critiaslux]

Nobody has ever attacked you, some members (including me) just try to make you understand that your argument about Vegas killing Celine's international career is wrong. That would mean that her peers from the 90s and even the 00s Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morissette, Faith Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, just to name a few, would still have numbers 1s all around the globe, when in fact none of them are even close to Celine. You keep saying again and again that the reason radios don't play Celine is Vegas, that the reason Celine doesn't release albums every year is Vegas, that the reason teenagers don't know Celine is Vegas and that's simply a wrong and simplistic analysis. All artists have their peaks and from there is only natural they start losing popularity. Celine (Madonna and Beyonce too) is the exception, none of her peers is enjoying the level of international success she currently has and none of them had a residency in Vegas in the 00s. So if anything one could argue Vegas has helped Celine to stay more relevant. Vegas was a brilliant business/career move (I agree she didn't need so many shows though, why exhausting her voice like that?). But from a career perspective is the best she could do, focus her energy in becoming a touring force. Mariah Carey came to Stockholm in 2016 and sold 4,700 tickets (venue almost empty I was there), one year later Celine visits Stockholm and sells 22,000 tickets and at much higher price (of course I was also there). And I’m not saying I like Vegas any more than you do, I probably hate it more than you do, but facts and numbers prove it haven’t hurt her career at all. Celine wouldn’t be more popular now if she wouldn’t have had a residency in 2003, she could in fact be completely forgotten if it wasn’t for Vegas.

 

Agreed: retrospectively one of the best career move ever.

René gambled on Céline's first album, and he gambled again with the Vegas residency.

Colonel Parker must have greeted him with a big smile.

Edited November 2, 2018 at 10:31 PM by Critiaslux

[Nmj]

 

 

But then that's mixing two different stories here. One thing is that being a Céline Dion fan wasn't cool in the 90s and we were even ridiculed (and still happens today, I don't think that has changed much today), and then another very different thing is that Céline hadn't earned already the respect from the industry and the public way before Vegas, which she had enormously and way before 2003. She proved that achievement enough and with honours by her retirement in December 1999

 

It’s both.

 

1. In the 90s, it wasn’t “cool” to be a Céline fan.

2. In the 90s, the industry wasn’t showing Celine near the amount of respect she gets now.

 

I think it would be irresponsible for us to say that the Vegas success, didn’t help boost Celines name to be associated with the word LEGEND, which was never really used for Celine up until 2008-ish.

[SuperLove4Celine]

At the end of the day, the fact of the matter is this. We can blame Rene, Rene’s death, cancer, Sony, Columbia, AEG, TicketMaster, Caesars, Caesars Palace, The Colosseum, her wannabe management team, TeamCeline, the fans, etc. for her shows not being more daring and creative all we want. However, at the end of the day, the person to blame is Celine herself. If she truly gave two sh!ts about performing songs such as “Us,” “Right Next To The Right One,” “Somebody Loves Somebody,” and “Rain, Tax (It’s Inevitable),” to name a few, she would. Many other performers include obscure songs in their shows all the time. However, it’s clear Celine only cares about pandering to the masses to make her bank account bigger. Creativity and artistry be damned.

[gafsa]

Her popularity declined after she took a break, I think it's due to the radios that don't want to play her songs anymore because she's not cool. Thanks God the fans are still there, so it can have a great success. But it's so rare to hear ANDHC played on radios. It's frustating for a fans like me to see a great album that have no chance for general people to know. At that time we had no choice, unlike today with iTunes, and especially YouTube. We force "not to" hear Celine's songs back than. Even when I am request the song, they played a song from another artist and said that I am the one who request that song, I'm still angry about it today. So if I have to blame someone or something, I will blame radios people. Edited November 2, 2018 at 11:28 PM by gafsa

[smw]

At the end of the day, the fact of the matter is this. We can blame Rene, Rene’s death, cancer, Sony, Columbia, AEG, TicketMaster, Caesars, Caesars Palace, The Colosseum, her wannabe management team, TeamCeline, the fans, etc. for her shows not being more daring and creative all we want. However, at the end of the day, the person to blame is Celine herself. If she truly gave two sh!ts about performing songs such as “Us,” “Right Next To The Right One,” “Somebody Loves Somebody,” and “Rain, Tax (It’s Inevitable),” to name a few, she would. Many other performers include obscure songs in their shows all the time. However, it’s clear Celine only cares about pandering to the masses to make her bank account bigger. Creativity and artistry be damned.

 

But who else else sells tickets like Celine Dion sells tickets? She’s in very rare company. Performing rare songs as part of a residency show can be dangerous and who else does THAT anyways? I can’t think of a residency performer who performs rare songs vs their hits.

 

At this point, I look at her signature songs as colossal anthems that are untouchable.

 

Like if I went to see Cher (I’m a semi-big Cher fan but not obsessed) and she didn’t perform If I Could Turn Back Time, but rather she performed some unknown cut from one of her albums — I wouldn’t be happy.

 

Celine knows she’s gotta perform her iconic songs for the public. These songs are bigger than life and causal audiences want the amazingly magical experience of hearing them LIVE. As diehard fans, we must remember that. Everyone deserves that chance and millions of people crave hearing these songs live which is why Celine sells these tickets year after year.

 

With that said — we are on the cusp of a new day in Celine’s career! So the Vegas argument is becoming moot. She’s ending this residency and releasing a new album without Rene’s input. This will be refreshing and incredibly exciting!!!

 

Cher created a new signature song when she was 50 and I’m confident Celine can too!

[CelinesDIVO5]

I’ve just accepted that Celine is in her legend days, and appreciate what she has contributed and await what she may contribute in the future. She’s given us so much over the last 30+ years. She will always be my favorite, my idol, my diva. I think where she’s at, she deserves to handle her career in any way that she wants. The way I see it, she’s at a good plateau in her career at the moment. Well respected and still has her voice. While her contemporaries are trying too hard to keep up with modern Top 40 and soiling their legacies. I’m fine with Celine right where she is.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

But who else else sells tickets like Celine Dion sells tickets? She’s in very rare company. Performing rare songs as part of a residency show can be dangerous and who else does THAT anyways? I can’t think of a residency performer who performs rare songs vs their hits.

 

At this point, I look at her signature songs as colossal anthems that are untouchable.

 

Like if I went to see Cher (I’m a semi-big Cher fan but not obsessed) and she didn’t perform If I Could Turn Back Time, but rather she performed some unknown cut from one of her albums — I wouldn’t be happy.

 

Celine knows she’s gotta perform her iconic songs for the public. These songs are bigger than life and causal audiences want the amazingly magical experience of hearing them LIVE. As diehard fans, we must remember that. Everyone deserves that chance and millions of people crave hearing these songs live which is why Celine sells these tickets year after year.

 

With that said — we are on the cusp of a new day in Celine’s career! So the Vegas argument is becoming moot. She’s ending this residency and releasing a new album without Rene’s input. This will be refreshing and incredibly exciting!!!

 

Cher created a new signature song when she was 50 and I’m confident Celine can too!

 

Not to mention that over the last few tours, she did include some long tucked away gems (even if some were cut to shorten the show). And we have at least some decent fan videos of those songs. I agree that with a residency, you’re going to have more casual fans than die hard and you have to keep the set list tight.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

But who else else sells tickets like Celine Dion sells tickets? She’s in very rare company. Performing rare songs as part of a residency show can be dangerous and who else does THAT anyways? I can’t think of a residency performer who performs rare songs vs their hits.

 

At this point, I look at her signature songs as colossal anthems that are untouchable.

 

Like if I went to see Cher (I’m a semi-big Cher fan but not obsessed) and she didn’t perform If I Could Turn Back Time, but rather she performed some unknown cut from one of her albums — I wouldn’t be happy.

 

Celine knows she’s gotta perform her iconic songs for the public. These songs are bigger than life and causal audiences want the amazingly magical experience of hearing them LIVE. As diehard fans, we must remember that. Everyone deserves that chance and millions of people crave hearing these songs live which is why Celine sells these tickets year after year.

 

With that said — we are on the cusp of a new day in Celine’s career! So the Vegas argument is becoming moot. She’s ending this residency and releasing a new album without Rene’s input. This will be refreshing and incredibly exciting!!!

 

Cher created a new signature song when she was 50 and I’m confident Celine can too!

 

I think the argument of this isn't that she shouldn't sing the big classics but that in addition to those she could sing some more rare songs in Vegas. She had the chance to play with the set list (excluding the classics) for 8 years but she did so few times. I can see both points of view tbh. I can see why Celine would be a little reserved about trying rare songs (I think that she has started changing setlists a little more now) because she needs to sell those tickets, or maybe she thinks those other songs don't fit in w/ this residency, idk. But I am also of the mind that she could have "risked" a little more and sang some of those songs she never performed live or that she sang only a handful of times but that are fan favorites.

[stevo]

I’ve just accepted that Celine is in her legend days, and appreciate what she has contributed and await what she may contribute in the future. She’s given us so much over the last 30+ years. She will always be my favorite, my idol, my diva. I think where she’s at, she deserves to handle her career in any way that she wants. The way I see it, she’s at a good plateau in her career at the moment. Well respected and still has her voice. While her contemporaries are trying too hard to keep up with modern Top 40 and soiling their legacies. I’m fine with Celine right where she is.

 

100% this.

 

We expect so much from her- yes, she could do more- or at least her team could...but we are so lucky THAT SHE CAN STILL SING- and amazingly well. She still gives me goosebumps, makes me cry, makes me laugh, amazes me.

 

She has to sing the same songs- people come to see her to hear those songs. It’s just the way. It has to be the hits. We know her every move, her every word. Of course we’re bored. Poor Céline- we expect her to please each and every one of us.

 

There is more to come- if it’s the best, who knows, but I don’t think she’s finished yet.

Edited November 3, 2018 at 12:32 AM by stevo

[Tom_London_Fan]

I think all these rare songs that we want to hear live, Celine has most likely forgotten about them. I don’t think she’s that passionate about her own repertoire like some singers are. She’s too focused on “being an open book”, Vegas, “being a mother”...I think this stems from the fact that she doesn’t write her own songs. Songs like ‘Us’ and ‘Then You Look At Me’ probably haven’t entered her mind space since she recorded them in the 90s. I don’t know why everyone is so surprised...she’s always been more of a vocalist show woman more than anything else. I’m cool with that, I love her voice, her image and her personality...these songs are lost gems.

 

I would love to hear her completely take a different approach to her big hits. Flip them on the head and spice them up with something else. Still dreaming about an acoustic album/tour where she takes the big bombastic ballads and tones them down. It’ll be less strain on her voice, and us fans would adore to hear her more subtle interpretations of her big hits. I for one can barely listen to songs like BYLM, MHWGO & IACBTMN. Her voice has matured so beautifully and to hear new fresh perspectives on these songs would breath much needed life into them.

[scielle]

For those saying "oh, but she only works 2 hours a night"... more proof this woman is under all kinds of stress & pressure most of us could never imagine. A lot is riding on her -

 

Caesars CEO Mark Frissora Steps Down

"Caesars’ 3Q report lagged behind last year’s, partially because Celine Dion had to cancel 20 shows and 2017 featured major boxing events that were difficult to replicate."

 

Even for a company currently valued at ~$22 billion, Celine's presence (or lack thereof) has a significant impact.

 

Here's an excerpt from yesterday's Caesars earnings call -

 

Thomas Glassbrooke Allen - Morgan Stanley, Research Division - Senior Analyst

So thinking about the third quarter, you've talked a lot about how the event calender just didn't really shape up and that's why revenues declined

to the way they did for the market. Are you seeing the market fill 2019 in a more aggressive way now and do you have more confidence around,

not kind of conventions or city-wise, but more your event calendar?

 

Mark P. Frissora - Caesars Entertainment Corporation - President, CEO & Director

I think that for the third quarter, I think, we may have said this before, but Celine Dion had canceled 20 performances in the third quarter, which

was a big hit for us at Caesars Palace, which is, as you know, our #1 gaming casino here. So I think that, that was definitely a factor. And we don't

anticipate to see anything like that happen in the future, but you never know because we got a lot of theaters, a lot of performances that are good.

And right now, we're making sure that we have a robust calendar for our own and we think what we see so far, the visibility we have into 2019,

which is not that far, frankly, I mean, it is not totally -- you wouldn't be able to say that '19 is, you see you have a lot of visibility, but what we see so

far, we're bullish on. Eric, if anything you want to add to that, please do.

 

Eric Hession - Caesars Entertainment Corporation - Executive VP & CFO

I'd just add, after the learnings in the third quarter, we're obviously actively tracking it with a whole lot more specificity and we're trying to come

up with an option to slide in additional acts at short notice. Typically, acts that don't require a lot of staging like comedians or other shows like that,

that we can bring in to backfill when one of the major acts has to cancel shows. So we're trying to derisk that type of environment. In the fourth

quarter, the shows from the city look quite good. We've seen MGM added a couple of shows recently that should drive additional visitation to the

city and then we have good bookings at ours as well.

Edited November 3, 2018 at 12:45 AM by scielle

[Tom_London_Fan]

Although...I must mention my previous post was more with regards to her English material. She seems much more connected to her French repertoire...I still can’t thank her enough for the beautiful set list she gave us during the 2016 Francophone mini-tour. What a gift for us!

[maki_Dion-er]

Although...I must mention my previous post was more with regards to her English material. She seems much more connected to her French repertoire...I still can’t thank her enough for the beautiful set list she gave us during the 2016 Francophone mini-tour. What a gift for us!

 

I would love for her to sing some of her french/English songs during her english concerts. Whenever she sings in french in an anglophone place she always goes with PQTME but she has many great french songs that she could introduce to her English speaking audience during concerts.

 

No doubt Celine has a lot riding on her and that causes lots of stress. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't give her enough credit imo.

[gafsa]

 

 

100% this.

 

We expect so much from her- yes, she could do more- or at least her team could...but we are so lucky THAT SHE CAN STILL SING- and amazingly well. She still gives me goosebumps, makes me cry, makes me laugh, amazes me.

 

She has to sing the same songs- people come to see her to hear those songs. It’s just the way. It has to be the hits. We know her every move, her every word. Of course we’re bored. Poor Céline- we expect her to please each and every one of us.

 

There is more to come- if it’s the best, who knows, but I don’t think she’s finished yet.

 

Oh yes, the voice. After I've seen the other diva live recently, I'm very thankful with what Celine have now. The visual effect and the dancer add nothing when I am expecting a great vocal from a use to be a great vocalist. It just leave me disappointed as a casual fans.

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

I think the argument of this isn't that she shouldn't sing the big classics but that in addition to those she could sing some more rare songs in Vegas. She had the chance to play with the set list (excluding the classics) for 8 years but she did so few times. I can see both points of view tbh. I can see why Celine would be a little reserved about trying rare songs (I think that she has started changing setlists a little more now) because she needs to sell those tickets, or maybe she thinks those other songs don't fit in w/ this residency, idk. But I am also of the mind that she could have "risked" a little more and sang some of those songs she never performed live or that she sang only a handful of times but that are fan favorites.

 

This. I’m not so stupid as to think the biggies shouldn’t be performed. Hell, even I would be annoyed if she didn’t perform MHWGO, TPOL, BYLM, and IACBTMN. However, it’s not assanine to think there is room SOMEWHERE in a 20(ish)-song setlist for one or two deep cuts. Hell, “I Surrender” became a smash not because it was a radio single, but because she promoted the hell out of it night after night during “A New Day...” I really don’t see how the same couldn’t have happened for any number of other deep cuts.

[Javito]

She has to sing the same songs- people come to see her to hear those songs. It's just the way. It has to be the hits. We know her every move, her every word. Of course we're bored. Poor Céline- we expect her to please each and every one of us.

 

That's a self-conviction many fans have created to defend the continuity of the same setlist over the years more than a confirmed reality. You may think people come to see Céline to hear specifically those songs (Céline and René himself was probably 200% convinced about this), but people come to see Céline because she is just Céline frigging Dion, no matter what she sings, and her glorious vocals out of this world.

 

How many times have we read in and outside this forum lots of fans repeat the same "I could hear her sing the phone book for an entire show and I would still be happy" or "I would pay to see her sing whatever she sings"???

 

But if we make a list with her most essential, unnegotiable songs in a Celine Dion show, it all cuts down to 4-5 songs:

 

My Heart Will Go On

Because You Loved Me

The Power Of Love

 

And the fourth would be between It's All Coming Back To Me Now and All By Myself.

 

These 4-5 songs are the songs people would definitely expect to hear anywhere they attend a Celine Dion show, be it in USA, Europe or Japan. These 4-5 songs are the songs that she has been forever and ever performed since she released them and on every tour and concert she does. But beyond these only 5 songs, nothing is set on stone on a "must-list" of songs people want to hear her sing.

 

So counting with these 5 songs that she must forever sing on every show, there's another 10-15 more songs to complete a setlist with which she could play, change, alter, include and remove over the years, from the more popular singles to the most rare songs, and the public wouldn't say a word, I'm sure. As long as she performs those songs I mentioned, the audience would be happy even if she were to perform the phone book in between.

 

People go to see her because of her voice and because of who she is, not because they expect a specific setlist of songs to be sung. And let alone the kind of audience that goes to see her in Vegas, who maybe only a 2% each night are die-hard fans, and I'm being generous. Most people in the venue each night are just tourists and casual spectators who don't give a damn about Céline's career, they just go to have some rest after a long day of tourism and shopping and to boast their friends "I saw Celine's show" when they're back from their trip. But 98% of that audience in Vegas won't care a damn if she performed I Know What Love Is and Reveal instead of Immortality and RDMH (as long as they get those 4 classics I mentioned)

Edited November 3, 2018 at 01:58 AM by Javito