Celine (Las Vegas show) [ends: June 8th, 2019] - Official topic

[Bruno Portugal]

I confess that I would prefer the initial tracklist and the initial wardrobe (Armani Prive and Atelier Versace). It's that "Celine" Show that I would love to have in DVD...

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

🤣 she's too much.

 

She does seem tired, I noticed it from the 1st show but it could be a number of things. She mentioned being nervous and like during the tour she needs to get used to be on stage after the hiatus, or it could be that during the time off she's been dealing with working on the album, setting up promotion for it, thinking on how to end Vegas, maybe even deciding on a new tour next year, and then there's the kids. We don't know, we assume she had a 2 month vacation, and she just slept in, but maybe there was more than that.

Doesn't mean it's that she hates the show and is just done with it. I mean maybe it's in part that, but I doubt it's only a dislike of her residency.

 

I hope whatever comes next for Celine excites her a lot.

 

Edit: I miss the elegant sparkly gowns, they feel more Vegas to me. The gold pant suit is good for the start of this setlist and the black dress w/ the train is great but only for MHWGO. The train holds her back too much to wear it for 3-4 songs in a row. I'd also bring back the colorful one for the funk medley.

Edited November 1, 2018 at 09:37 PM by maki_Dion-er

[Tom_London_Fan]

I have to agree it’s all become a little too stale for me. I don’t think residencies should go on any longer than 3 years max, and if so, it should be completely freshened up. You can see she’s not inspired by any of it anymore, she’s clearly just fulfilling her contractual obligations. Once she’s out of Vegas jail, I hope she’ll take some risks and start inspiring the world again with that magestic voice. Love you, Celine! 😘

[maki_Dion-er]

Celine, we do not flash the fans lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpppG-mnL9m/

[Javito]

Vegas sucked the life out of her and her genuine passion for singing. Basically that's what I've been saying since 2003, in all kinds of ways I knew this would eventually happen, but nobody believed me then.

 

I have to agree it's all become a little too stale for me. I don't think residencies should go on any longer than 3 years max, and if so, it should be completely freshened up. You can see she's not inspired by any of it anymore, she's clearly just fulfilling her contractual obligations. Once she's out of Vegas jail, I hope she'll take some risks and start inspiring the world again with that magestic voice. Love you, Celine!

 

Hooop hoooop!!! Did you say what I just read?? Vegas jail? How dare you!!!

[nuts2you]

I have a question to those that went this weeks shows , what kind of crowd was in the FORCH section , was it sold out in those sections,

[scielle]

Also the Ryan Reynolds speech really needs to go! It's not that funny and it is about 3 times as long as it needs to be.

 

Yes!

Given that I'm in the media business, whenever I got to a show I always listen for people's reviews as they exit a theater, and the one thing that was very clear when I went to see Celine in Vegas, was that everyone filing out of there seemed to think she talked waaay too much. And that was circa late 2016, when the soliloquies were a fraction of what they are now.

 

Yes, she can be seriously funny. But for every great one-liner, there's 10 minutes of some really tedious filler that's genuinely hard to listen to. Yeah, she has undeniably great comic timing and delivery - but content? Oy.

 

I'm absolutely not advocating scripted speeches of yore. But she desperately needs an editor to cut 90% of that thing.

[scielle]

This "leaving Las Vegas" thing could go one of two ways, IMHO.

 

Either she refocuses the energy she's been putting into these daily shows into some new, exciting projects and makes a legitimate attempt at breathing new life into her music (rather than being an Insta model or handbag peddler), or she effectively retires and, outside of occasional mini-tours and guest appearances, largely withdraws from public life.

 

Hoping it's the former, but I'm not convinced she still has the hunger and ambition she once did - and I don't fault her for that; she's been at this since age 13, and wanting to retire after so much intensity is perfectly understandable. I think a lot of what was driving that ambition was wanting to impress Rene (in fact, didn't she say something to that effect in one of those biographies?) I hope she finds new reasons to push forward, but I don't know how convinced I am that she will.

[DionFanAlways]

This "leaving Las Vegas" thing could go one of two ways, IMHO.

 

Either she refocuses the energy she's been putting into these daily shows into some new, exciting projects and makes a legitimate attempt at breathing new life into her music (rather than being an Insta model or handbag peddler), or she effectively retires and, outside of occasional mini-tours and guest appearances, largely withdraws from public life.

 

Hoping it's the former, but I'm not convinced she still has the hunger and ambition she once did - and I don't fault her for that; she's been at this since age 13, and wanting to retire after so much intensity is perfectly understandable. I think a lot of what was driving that ambition was wanting to impress Rene (in fact, didn't she say something to that effect in one of those biographies?) I hope she finds new reasons to push forward, but I don't know how convinced I am that she will.

Sadly agreed.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

Yes!

Given that I'm in the media business, whenever I got to a show I always listen for people's reviews as they exit a theater, and the one thing that was very clear when I went to see Celine in Vegas, was that everyone filing out of there seemed to think she talked waaay too much. And that was circa late 2016, when the soliloquies were a fraction of what they are now.

 

Everyone? Every 4,300? Really?

Come on, now. She can lose herself in trying to make people laugh but I doubt audiences mind as much as you think because they laugh tons and yell out things to her.

I think the Ashes speech might have run its course but I think she still wants to have a moment where she can communicate with the audience. She could condense the speech a little and/or find a different place in the show to joke around for a bit. Maybe before You're the Voice.

 

we'll have a slightly better picture of what we can expect from her next year, once we're closer to the end of her residency. Maybe (big maybe) we will get albums more frequently. Maybe she'll retire after the new album, I hope to god not but we should prepare for everything I guess.

[scielle]

Everyone? Every 4,300? Really?

 

You'll note I clearly wrote "everyone filing out of there seemed to think..." and only in reference to people overheard while leaving the theater. Please don't twist my words.

[Dancing_Queen]

One thing I will agree with is that the Deadpool-speech needs to go.

 

Her old speeches were different every day.

Sometimes they could be long-winded, but I actually looked forward to them because there were always different funny bits.

 

Now it's too scripted (she tries to get all the jokes in), but then she loses the thread of the story...

 

What I'm saying is she either needs to script her speech or not script it at all, but not the in-between thing we have now.

It was fine on Tuesday because she was more focused, but on Wednesday she seemed to be a bit absent-minded (I wonder if something was bothering her?)

 

 

[Overjoyed]

This "leaving Las Vegas" thing could go one of two ways, IMHO.

 

Either she refocuses the energy she's been putting into these daily shows into some new, exciting projects and makes a legitimate attempt at breathing new life into her music (rather than being an Insta model or handbag peddler), or she effectively retires and, outside of occasional mini-tours and guest appearances, largely withdraws from public life.

 

Hoping it's the former, but I'm not convinced she still has the hunger and ambition she once did - and I don't fault her for that; she's been at this since age 13, and wanting to retire after so much intensity is perfectly understandable. I think a lot of what was driving that ambition was wanting to impress Rene (in fact, didn't she say something to that effect in one of those biographies?) I hope she finds new reasons to push forward, but I don't know how convinced I am that she will.

She was born to be on stage. If she decides to retire now, it would be to defraud Rene's last will. It is our DUTY AS FANS to encourage her to continue doing new things, new songs, new records, new concerts... otherwise for her it would be like dying slowly. That's why I'm happy that she leaves that eternal prison that is Las Vegas, so she can be a much bigger artist than she already is, that she can be even more appreciated and, above all, that she can do NEW THINGS, not to do the same as always over and over again like he does in Las Vegas.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

You'll note I clearly wrote "everyone filing out of there seemed to think..." and only in reference to people overheard while leaving the theater. Please don't twist my words.

 

I read your post several times, I was not twisting your words (intentionally) I was interpreting them. Everyone filing out could mean everyone in the theater.

 

In any case some of these people saying she talked a lot might not mean that in a negative connotation. For instance I sometimes watch her speeches and think to myself that she went on very long but doesn't mean I would want her to cut out/down her speeches. I once watched a reaction/review video of this group that went to see her (they weren't Celine stans) and they were amused by how much she talked. And ultimately, the reaction of a few is not a good enough measurment of what the majority of people that go see her think.

[mirage]

And the only DVD we will get is probably this leg of the show.

Which we already had seen in Japan.

 

Oh well let's forget the beautiful Céline show in 2011, or the comeback show in 2015, and also forget the Best Setlist evaaahhh 2016 tour and 2018...

 

Yeah let's give them this incredible short Setlist with songs that can be found on the last 5 DVDs... Fans love her hits.

 

I will always love her, and buy her albums and go crazy over new songs, videos, shows, appearances.

But I'm seriously done with how everything is handled.

Whether she is involved or not, her brand deserves more.

And so does the fanbase.

 

We've seen her biggest albums celebrate anniversaries, plenty of opportunities to 'celebrate' with something special.

Not a single word.

 

And you all saying ah when she is no longer here they will release all that 'unreleased' stuff.

I can tell you right now, we won't see a single thing of all what's in the vault. Not even when she is no longer here. Never.

They just lame and stupid.

 

Let's give fans a private login to the VIP photo book for the tours. What we get?

1 Crappy horrible picture for each show either from the other side of the arena, or just of the first song.

 

And they took sooo many pictures.

Anyway, rant over! I'm glad she changed the setlist for the last 50 shows, so creative of them. The last 50 shows, just change it all up yeahhh they must feel proud for this unexpected extremely creative idea

[Javito]

She was born to be on stage. If she decides to retire now, it would be to defraud Rene's last will. It is our DUTY AS FANS to encourage her to continue doing new things, new songs, new records, new concerts... otherwise for her it would be like dying slowly. That's why I'm happy that she leaves that eternal prison that is Las Vegas, so she can be a much bigger artist than she already is, that she can be even more appreciated and, above all, that she can do NEW THINGS, not to do the same as always over and over again like he does in Las Vegas.

 

Oh oh!! Another fan calling Vegas a prison!?!?! In the same thread and less than 24 hours lol. What's going on here?? Must be a more extended picture of it than some thought initially... Am I not that bad fan after all???

[ryba]

And the only DVD we will get is probably this leg of the show.

Which we already had seen in Japan.

 

Oh well let's forget the beautiful Céline show in 2011, or the comeback show in 2015, and also forget the Best Setlist evaaahhh 2016 tour and 2018...

 

Yeah let's give them this incredible short Setlist with songs that can be found on the last 5 DVDs... Fans love her hits.

 

I will always love her, and buy her albums and go crazy over new songs, videos, shows, appearances.

But I'm seriously done with how everything is handled.

Whether she is involved or not, her brand deserves more.

And so does the fanbase.

 

We've seen her biggest albums celebrate anniversaries, plenty of opportunities to 'celebrate' with something special.

Not a single word.

 

And you all saying ah when she is no longer here they will release all that 'unreleased' stuff.

I can tell you right now, we won't see a single thing of all what's in the vault. Not even when she is no longer here. Never.

They just lame and stupid.

 

Let's give fans a private login to the VIP photo book for the tours. What we get?

1 Crappy horrible picture for each show either from the other side of the arena, or just of the first song.

 

And they took sooo many pictures.

Anyway, rant over! I'm glad she changed the setlist for the last 50 shows, so creative of them. The last 50 shows, just change it all up yeahhh they must feel proud for this unexpected extremely creative idea

I think they won’t film and release this current Vegas show at all. Should we get something at all, it will be the Tokyo concert, which was already filmed, since it’s the same setlist now (which I highly doubt at this point after all this disappointments from 2016-2018)

 

Screw her team, really. A bunch of ignorant, uncreative and incompetent people... Sorry, but I’m really mad with the way her career is handled. Apparently they concider her only a money making machine now, which means: make yourself rare and exclusive, don’t relrease much, just do shows, sell expensive tickets cause people will want to see you, and then go home. This is just ignorant and rude!

Edited November 2, 2018 at 12:30 PM by ryba

[Javito]

The blame is not to be unleashed just on her team, her record label is equally to blame on this matter of how her career is managed. Céline's career has been treated with complete uninterest from Sony Music since 2008, and that's not only Céline's team fault.

 

If an artist is taking 6 years to release new music, if she's having family problems and needs to take care of her them, then there's a record label behind to keep the artist in the public's eye for that time and release something. More in Céline's case when she has a VAST catalog of unreleased songs and concerts out there. More in Céline's case when she hasn't even been inactive and she has kept performing and touring all these years.

 

We had countless dozens of rereleases from 2006 to 2010 of all her classic albums in all kinds of collections, box sets and formats imaginable, but it all stopped suddenly, no more "collector's editions'" of her albums, no more collections with bonus DVDs, etc.

 

We have concerts that still exist only in VHS and have not been released on DVD.

 

We had tours that were filmed recently these years too.

 

And still nothing. Nada.

 

It's not only Céline or her close team around her to blame, it's her stupid record label too. The people working in offices in the US/Canada with their #ss glued to a chair. Those don't care about Céline anymore.

 

The lack of interest and creativity comes first from Céline herself and her team, but if she hasn't a good team of people caring and working inside Sony Music, you can have all the interest and will for things to happen that you won't see them come to fruition without a helping label to produce and distribute your music.

 

The apathy is mutually, either from Céline's team or from Sony Music.

 

The only Sony Music branch in the world that has cared about Céline's music and promoting aince a very long time ago is Sony Music France.

 

A change of record label has been needed since 10-15 years ago. But nobody seems to be needing this, both seem to be content and satisfied with what is done, so... It's a vicious circle.

Edited November 2, 2018 at 12:50 PM by Javito

[browseceline]

 

I thought the exact same thing. The colourful dress was by far the best from the tour in the summer and would be a lot more practical than say the gold suit or the grey/black dress which actually seemed quite restrictive too.

 

just saw her singing A song on youtube with the couture black dress..she looked frail, thin, tired and even her hair (or wig) looked like she came just out of bed. Sorry for her it only started and now she has to fulfill her contract for the rest of the year. Feel sorry for her.

 

 

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[Javito]

Just for the record, and as an example: Sia is releasing a Deluxe edition of her first Christmas album, released the past year, this time with some bonus tracks. She immediately updated her YouTube channels with audio videos with the new songs, and she even says she'll sing something on a couple TV shows to promote the album still.

 

It's not much, it's not a new album, and we can say it's even an old formula, to rerelease an album with bonus tracks, but at least she keeps her fans busy while she prepares another studio album.

 

Céline: all release we could see in a 6 (SIX) years period of her English career is a tour edition CD consisting of studio songs of what she performs live (a fake and misleading release may I add). So it's not even a real release because her team is even unable to release a live CD of the tour; we get the original studio versions of the same songs released 15,20,25 years ago. As if her public didn't have those already in countless other releases.

 

...

 

So Sia. That's the difference from an artist who despite not having a new album to release, she remains active doing things and releasing music and gives an album that was released a year ago a second life with a new version of it

Edited November 2, 2018 at 01:04 PM by Javito

[ryba]

Just for the record, and as an example: Sia is releasing a Deluxe edition of her first Christmas album, released the past year, this time with some bonus tracks. She immediately updated her YouTube channels with audio videos with the new songs, and she even says she'll sing something on a couple TV shows to promote the album still.

 

It's not much, it's not a new album, and we can say it's even an old formula, to rerelease an album with bonus tracks, but at least she keeps her fans busy while she prepares another studio album.

 

Céline: all we could see in a 6 (SIX) years period of her English career is a tour edition album consisting on studio songs of what she performs live (a fake and misleading release may I add). So it's not even a real release because her team is even unable to release a live CD of the tour; we get the original studio versions of the same songs released 15,20,25 years ago. As if her public didn't have those already in countless other releases.

 

...

 

So Sia. That's the difference from an artist who despite not having a new album to release, she remains active doing things and releasing music and gives an album that was released a year ago a second life with a new version of it

exactly! In case of Celine NOBODY cares, apparently not even Celine. Such a shame. She should remind herself how hard she had to work for where she is now and realize that she is sabotaging her career and disappoints her fans

[mirage]

And people saying she is busy and mom.

 

She doesn't need to lift a single finger for a re-release of for example her Christmas album, or a live cd, or an album with unreleased stuff.

It doesn't necessarily needs to be a physical release these days.

 

She has her Vegas shows if they want a video of a song.

 

It's not rocket science, but they get paid loads for what?

[Peppercorn1991]

Jav it’s not that many don’t agree with you, it’s the repetitiveness of it. Many of us agree about what you say about Vegas ....

 

Kev x

[Javito]

Jav it’s not that many don’t agree with you, it’s the repetitiveness of it. Many of us agree about what you say about Vegas ....

 

Kev x

 

I know Kev, I know many think the same but they don’t dare to say it, as if they were “betraying” their love for Celine I know many agree, even the naysayers...

 

It’s just that I’ve been mocked and attacked for saying it and using the word “jail”, when look how surprising, there are more fans who call it the same, direct and frankness. Even Celine herself has played with the word for being in a *jail* when she spoke during the 2017 tour. She may not feel that way, but it’s EXACTLY the image she has portrayed to the public for 15 years (that when they didn’t thought she was simply RETIRED!!)

Edited November 2, 2018 at 02:01 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I know Kev, I know many think the same but they don’t dare to say it, as if they were “betraying” their love for Celine I know many agree, even the naysayers...

 

It’s just that I’ve been mocked and attacked for saying it and using the word “jail”, when look how surprising, there are more fans who call it the same, direct and frankness. Even Celine herself has played with the word for being in a *jail* when she spoke during the 2017 tour. She may not feel that way, but it’s EXACTLY the image she has portrayed to the public for 15 years (that when they didn’t thought she was simply RETIRED!!)

 

I think many don’t say it because you say it enough. There is already 4311838365262782727 pages of your posts saying it. Why clutter the board with more of the same?

[Dancing_Queen]

I doubt there's anyone not 'daring' to criticize Vegas on here.

 

In fact it's quite the opposite.

A lot of people who like the show don't bother to comment on here or (worse) stop coming to the forum altogether because all they read on here is negativity.

 

The tour setlist is supposedly so much better than Vegas, but when she changes it (rehearsing throughout the night I've heard, because she was in the studio during previous weeks), it's no longer good enough and she's 'lazy'? (We're conveniently forgetting that she had an ear problem for over a year that probably severely impacted her recording schedule, which is why she has to make up for it now?)

 

Show was too short. Now it's back to 2+ hours, but hey, "she skipped TT and TR"?

 

She "doesn't enjoy the show", but heaven forbid if she sings something she actually enjoys like 'You're the Voice' or (gasp) the Prince-melody?

 

And then there's the fact that some of us simply enjoy having a place to see her when it fits our schedule.

 

I would add that the Colosseum is the best setting I've ever seen her in.

It beats all the arenas (like Bercy, Sportpaleis...) by miles in terms of sound and intimacy. You will never see Céline in this type of setting unless you go to Vegas.

If you've purposely and 'on principle'never seen her there, I think you're missing out.

 

I will agree that the audience may not be as lively as on tour, but I usually sit in front (alongside many 'real fans'), so I'm hardly bothered (I understand not everyone is so lucky).

 

That said, if Céline chooses a new direction, I'm all for it.

But seeing her so upclose made me realize how tired she looked and what a tiny, fragile thing she actually is.

Having the weight of an 'empire' on her shoulders, being responsible for so many people's livelihood is a heavy burden to bear (I was really struck a couple of days ago by someone commenting that all she does is "sing 2 hour's and go home"?). With her recent health problems in mind, I wonder if it hasn't become a bit much for her...

 

[Tom_London_Fan]

I agree she looks tired and very absent minded. But she’s a real trooper. I’m sure she’ll be fine x Edited November 2, 2018 at 05:19 PM by Tom_London_Fan

[smw]

The clips I’ve seen look great!

 

To the general public (not us, who know her intimately and judge her every move) I’m sure she’s in great form.

 

That album and all the promo is what we should all be looking forward to!

 

And hopefully there will be a surprise or two with the Vegas show in the coming months.

Edited November 2, 2018 at 05:26 PM by smw

[empress]

Gripe first.....I really dislike the gold pants. The jacket is fine, but she needs black cigarette pants and different boots or something. The gorgeousness of the jacket is completely lost with the gold pants included....the boots just don't work for this outfit.

 

Compliment...I love the long train on her dress...the corded mic is problematic

 

Future...I think she will take time off, rest, work on her lifestyle brand, maybe mini tour at times....but in a few years, come back to Vegas stage. It is a good fit for her.

[manu23]

I know Kev, I know many think the same but they don't dare to say it, as if they were "betraying" their love for Celine I know many agree, even the naysayers...

 

It's just that I've been mocked and attacked for saying it and using the word "jail", when look how surprising, there are more fans who call it the same, direct and frankness. Even Celine herself has played with the word for being in a *jail* when she spoke during the 2017 tour. She may not feel that way, but it's EXACTLY the image she has portrayed to the public for 15 years (that when they didn't thought she was simply RETIRED!!)

 

Nobody has ever attacked you, some members (including me) just try to make you understand that your argument about Vegas killing Celine's international career is wrong. That would mean that her peers from the 90s and even the 00s Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morissette, Faith Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, just to name a few, would still have numbers 1s all around the globe, when in fact none of them are even close to Celine. You keep saying again and again that the reason radios don't play Celine is Vegas, that the reason Celine doesn't release albums every year is Vegas, that the reason teenagers don't know Celine is Vegas and that's simply a wrong and simplistic analysis. All artists have their peaks and from there is only natural they start losing popularity. Celine (Madonna and Beyonce too) is the exception, none of her peers is enjoying the level of international success she currently has and none of them had a residency in Vegas in the 00s. So if anything one could argue Vegas has helped Celine to stay more relevant. Vegas was a brilliant business/career move (I agree she didn't need so many shows though, why exhausting her voice like that?). But from a career perspective is the best she could do, focus her energy in becoming a touring force. Mariah Carey came to Stockholm in 2016 and sold 4,700 tickets (venue almost empty I was there), one year later Celine visits Stockholm and sells 22,000 tickets and at much higher price (of course I was also there). And I’m not saying I like Vegas any more than you do, I probably hate it more than you do, but facts and numbers prove it haven’t hurt her career at all. Celine wouldn’t be more popular now if she wouldn’t have had a residency in 2003, she could in fact be completely forgotten if it wasn’t for Vegas.