Celine (Las Vegas show) [ends: June 8th, 2019] - Official topic

[manu23]

Javito I'd like to know what makes you so sure that Celine's recording career would have been different if she would't have done Vegas. Reading some of your posts about Las Vegas residency one might think that if it wasn't for Vegas Celine would still be experimenting her 96-00 success, selling trillion albums and having #1 all over the world. Isn't it more logical to think that she would have experimented the same steady decline in success in the last 15 years as Madonna, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Shania Twain, Janet Jackson, Gloria Stefan, Lauryn Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Michael Jackson (even late 90s), Bryan Adams, Elton John... just to name a few? For me Celine’s career is more solid now that any of these artists (even Madonna) due to her style and target audience (if Barbra is having #1 albums at 70 Celine could as well). What I think is that you mistake successful career with popularity, and those are two very different concepts. Celine was never really popular, not even at her peak or not in the sense some people understand popularity (tabloids, scandals, dating younger fellas…), is better to accept the kind of artist you are fan of. I honestly thing that with or without Vegas her career would have followed a very similar path. Edited November 8, 2016 at 07:07 PM by manu23

[ryba]

 

 

So imagine how her career would have been IF she hasn't started her contract in Vegas in 2003

 

But anyway, some reasons...

 

1) First because it cut short her powerful return to the international scene, just when she was at the peak of her career and enjoying a success with the worldwide acclaimed ANDHC album that would have been unprecedented, if she had continued in 2003 promoting and touring that album. But Vegas stopped all the promotion plans Sony had for that album.

 

2) Because what was going to be Vegas is not what it is today. When she signed her contract in 2001, her Vegas adventure had a start and a finish date, which was march 2006. That was reasonable. Today, 2016, she's still there. They extended until the end of 2007. Okay. Then she announced she would come back in 2011, and today she's still there. In 2019 she will be there. And in 20XX she will be there ... Enough is enough.

 

3) Because the current show is way more boring and worse than the previous one.

 

4) Because the so called stability for her family it's great, but that's an excuse too. Everybody knows she would have enjoyed the same stability if she had continued releasing albums in 2003, promoting, touring and everything, and at the same time she could enjoy her family. She would even have more time, because she wouldn't be tied to a contract that obliges her to organise her life depending on her scheduled performances on a fixed place, that also prevents her from doing other plans with her albums, her dream of acting, etc, because she's always performing there.

 

Doesn't she bring all her children with her when she tours, since day one? When she promotes in France, or anywhere? She has always brought RC with her since he was a baby to all her travels to Europe, within the US and everywhere, and she did the same with the twins. So what kind of stability is Vegas giving her, that no other home in the world could have provided her in the same way, except that she would be resting her vocal chords when she's not promoting or touring, instead of killing her voice singing the same songs since 2003, over and over again?

 

She could have settled down a home in any corner of the world in 2003, and just tour and promote her music when it was due, and she would have had all the stability in the world she had desired.

money. Money rules the world...

[Javito]

Javito I'd like to know what makes you so sure that Celine's recording career would have been different if she would't have done Vegas. Reading some of your posts about Las Vegas residency one might think that if it wasn't for Vegas Celine would still be experimenting her 96-00 success, selling trillion albums and having #1 all over the world. Isn't it more logical to think that she would have experimented the same steady decline in success in the last 15 years as Madonna, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Shania Twain, Janet Jackson, Gloria Stefan, Lauryn Hill, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Michael Jackson (even late 90s), Bryan Adams, Elton John... just to name a few? For me Celine’s career is more solid now that any of these artists (even Madonna) due to her style and target audience (if Barbra is having #1 albums at 70 Celine could as well). What I think is that you mistake successful career with popularity, and those are two very different concepts. Celine was never really popular, not even at her peak or not in the sense some people understand popularity (tabloids, scandals, dating younger fellas…), is better to accept the kind of artist you are fan of. I honestly thing that with or without Vegas her career would have followed a very similar path.

 

Because her career was still skyrocketing in 2002? It's obvious! Back in 2002 she had all the support from radio stations worldwide, and all the support from all Sony Music branches throughout the world. Look how things changed since 2003. Was it a coincidence?

 

Céline's career is solid today because of what she achieved in the 90's, not for what she has done after the 00's. Proof is that the success she enjoys today is resting on the solid success she achieved in the 90's. As a matter of fact, most of the songs she performs in her concerts in Vegas are hits from the albums she released in the 90's. How many hits has she got since she's in Las Vegas? How come is that she started to lose support from radios from 2003 onwards?

 

The lack of support started from an came from inside her own home in business: Sony Music. The day she decided to "retire" in Vegas and be isolated from the world outside Vegas, that day Sony Music gave up on pullin for an artist who they knew she wouldn't be available to support her own music.

 

And I wholeheartedly disagree with the "popularity" thing. Of course Céline Dion was popular in the early 00's, and both things, successful singer and a very popular singer everywhere, since she was literally everywhere in the press, the media and the radios, as much as she was before she retired in 2000. How can you question that? Sorry, but were you living under a rock in 2002?

[dodobird]

 

 

So imagine how her career would have been IF she hasn't started her contract in Vegas in 2003

 

But anyway, some reasons...

 

1) First because it cut short her powerful return to the international scene, just when she was at the peak of her career and enjoying a success with the worldwide acclaimed ANDHC album that would have been unprecedented, if she had continued in 2003 promoting and touring that album. But Vegas stopped all the promotion plans Sony had for that album.

 

2) Because what was going to be Vegas is not what it is today. When she signed her contract in 2001, her Vegas adventure had a start and a finish date, which was march 2006. That was reasonable. Today, 2016, she's still there. They extended until the end of 2007. Okay. Then she announced she would come back in 2011, and today she's still there. In 2019 she will be there. And in 20XX she will be there ... Enough is enough.

 

3) Because the current show is way more boring and worse than the previous one.

 

4) Because the so called stability for her family it's great, but that's an excuse too. Everybody knows she would have enjoyed the same stability if she had continued releasing albums in 2003, promoting, touring and everything, and at the same time she could enjoy her family. She would even have more time, because she wouldn't be tied to a contract that obliges her to organise her life depending on her scheduled performances on a fixed place, that also prevents her from doing other plans with her albums, her dream of acting, etc, because she's always performing there.

 

Doesn't she bring all her children with her when she tours, since day one? When she promotes in France, or anywhere? She has always brought RC with her since he was a baby to all her travels to Europe, within the US and everywhere, and she did the same with the twins. So what kind of stability is Vegas giving her, that no other home in the world could have provided her in the same way, except that she would be resting her vocal chords when she's not promoting or touring, instead of killing her voice singing the same songs since 2003, over and over again?

 

She could have settled down a home in any corner of the world in 2003, and just tour and promote her music when it was due, and she would have had all the stability in the world she had desired.

 

I would be lying if I said you are not making a compelling argument.

 

However, the way I see it, she has revived Vegas. They even built a theatre for her! she OWNS Vegas in a way that no other artist has ever done since Elvis and the Rat Pack. And she did that, risking that the "Titanic would sink again" as she likes to say herself! It took balls to do that and not only she succeeded, her show's success surpassed everyone's wildest expectations. And now EVERYBODY wants to go to Vegas....Shania went after Celine, Britney, Elton John. She created a whole new world of entertainment and rewrote showbiz history in that respect. So that's one more thing she added to her legacy.

 

Also, let's not forget that she was always interested in longevity. Vegas gives her that. She can perform there till she's 145 if she wants to and it will be much much easier for her to perform there when she's older than it would have been to keep touring the world (if she hadn't already called it quits out of exhaustion).

 

Your concern about her vocal chords is something I can't argue with because I agree lol! BUT, I think that she and her team know better than we do. As die hard fans we might scrutinize her every move, decision, outfit, marketing campaign (or lack thereof!) etc but truth of the matter is, she is surrounded by professionals who are experts in their respective fields and are much better equipped to make these judgments and decisions than us. We only know the 'outside' story so we might criticize and object all we want but the truth is we only know half of the picture/story.

 

Anyway, you are of course free to have your own opinion about things and I'm by no means trying to get you to agree with me (imagine how boring this forum would be if we all agreed with each other lol!).

[duri]

I think that Las Vegas is one of the reasons of stagnation Céline´s career, at least she didn´t have time for other things during the first years of show A new day, but I also think that the departure of Tommy Mottola ( as I remember he was interested in Céline´ career even if he was husband of Mariah) from Sony in 2003 has something to do with it as well. It seems like people in Sony are less and less interested in Céline, situation with Encore un soir is an example. Edited November 8, 2016 at 08:35 PM by duri

[nuts2you]

I like reading these debates ,

[Javito]

I would be lying if I said you are not making a compelling argument.

 

However, the way I see it, she has revived Vegas. They even built a theatre for her! she OWNS Vegas in a way that no other artist has ever done since Elvis and the Rat Pack. And she did that, risking that the "Titanic would sink again" as she likes to say herself! It took balls to do that and not only she succeeded, her show's success surpassed everyone's wildest expectations. And now EVERYBODY wants to go to Vegas....Shania went after Celine, Britney, Elton John. She created a whole new world of entertainment and rewrote showbiz history in that respect. So that's one more thing she added to her legacy.

 

Also, let's not forget that she was always interested in longevity. Vegas gives her that. She can perform there till she's 145 if she wants to and it will be much much easier for her to perform there when she's older than it would have been to keep touring the world (if she hadn't already called it quits out of exhaustion).

 

Your concern about her vocal chords is something I can't argue with because I agree lol! BUT, I think that she and her team know better than we do. As die hard fans we might scrutinize her every move, decision, outfit, marketing campaign (or lack thereof!) etc but truth of the matter is, she is surrounded by professionals who are experts in their respective fields and are much better equipped to make these judgments and decisions than us. We only know the 'outside' story so we might criticize and object all we want but the truth is we only know half of the picture/story.

 

Anyway, you are of course free to have your own opinion about things and I'm by no means trying to get you to agree with me (imagine how boring this forum would be if we all agreed with each other lol!).

 

Wow! First of all, I have to THANK YOU for your more than polite reply to me. Your reply is one of the very few I have seen in this forum who doesn't jump straight to my neck in anger when I opine about Vegas. Thank you for keeping it nice and calm! :flowers:

 

However, the way I see it, she has revived Vegas. They even built a theatre for her! she OWNS Vegas in a way that no other artist has ever done since Elvis and the Rat Pack. And she did that, risking that the "Titanic would sink again" as she likes to say herself! It took balls to do that and not only she succeeded, her show's success surpassed everyone's wildest expectations. And now EVERYBODY wants to go to Vegas....Shania went after Celine, Britney, Elton John. She created a whole new world of entertainment and rewrote showbiz history in that respect. So that's one more thing she added to her legacy.

 

I'm not taking her away the credit for that achievement. That's very true, she changed the face of Vegas and many big artists followed her steps. But like I said, one thing is staying there for 3 years, amass a great success and fortune, and another thing is staying there for 10 years, extending contract after contract and milking the cow. With very little changes in the 2 shows she has performed there, if we are honest.

 

The first A New Day show was nice to see, even enjoyable. Despite the fact that we could foresee the first vocal problems she had to face while staying there. Not in vain, only after the first year, in 2004 she had a terrible nasal voice like she never had before. Vegas took its toll in her voice shortly after her first year of residence, and it's taking its toll today still, with more show cancellations. I think she's abusing her voice there. But if the so called "stability" that Vegas gives her is more compelling, I eat my words in this respect (though sad that she sacrifices her instrument for this reason).

 

Each time she has come back to Vegas to resume her concerts, there's always a problem with her voice. Vegas is wearing out her voice. Thank God she uses playback (though I have fish ears to notice when and where she uses this ) because otherwise she would have no voice after 1,000 concerts there.

 

And last but not least, I always come back to the same point here: would I rather have 1 performance of songs she has never performed before, like a version of Then You Look At Me performed live in 2003 while on tour, a live performance of I Know What Love Is performed in a small theater in 2006, or a live performance of Right In Front Of You performed in 2011 while touring a new album in Rome, before having 1,000 performances of BYLM, TPOL or MHWGO? Yes, I'd rather have those a thousand more times, without hesitation

 

What I'm trying to say is that I see no credit in having done 1,000 shows in that same place, when she had barely introduced changes and new songs throughout all these years to the shows. That's kind of frustrating, for an artist that has such a vast catalogue of songs (and GREAT songs of her own).

 

And what would have happened if Vegas hadn't crossed her path in 2003? Of course that's hard to know, but judging by the impressive progression of her career since 1996, which skyrocketed in 1998 with Titanic, and whose bombastic effect continued when she came back in 2002, it's not very difficult to foresee that if would have continued that way in 2003, 2004 etc. If only she had supported, promoted and toured the new albums and music she had just released, which were greatly received and praised by both critics and public. Just saying.

Edited November 8, 2016 at 08:59 PM by Javito

[Dancing_Queen]

As a fan of many divas, i am continually amazed at how jaded (dare I say spoiled?) some of Céline's fanbase is!

 

Every fanbase I know would KILL for the exposure (and the drive) Céline has, I assure you.

She's like two artist into one, with two careers. She works her @ss off while most performers her age stop doing much at all.

 

Maybe not the best point of reference, but I'm a Whitney-fan as well and we used to go crazy over an appearance every 6 months for most of the '00s. An airport pic in the same week? We couldn't believe our luck!.

 

Meanwile, Céline works more than some young ones on their first album.

Has she even gone 2 weeks since February without either performing or doing a media appearance of some kind?

Don't like something she does? Never you mind, she'll do something you'll like next week! And then some backstage footage to boot!

 

It's totally natural that the "real fans" grow tired of the same old songs, but you have to remember that Céline became who she is mostly thanks to 'casual fans' who love those songs (we used to, too! once upon a time!) So of course she's gonna cater to them! And turn some of them into bigger fans in the process, I am sure.

A lot of more experienced performers make the mistake of alienating their core base, but Céline never did.

I went to see her in Vegas last week, and I am convinced most spectators came out adoring her just a little bit more. Probably wanting to see her again at some point. Which is exactly why Céline is more succesful than pretty much every female performer her age.

 

I honestly feel that she tries to cater to as many of her fans as she can, whether they be French, English, casual or major fans.

A lot of casual fans did not like her summer tour. Some were actually bored or wondered why there were hardly any English songs. So that one was for us, the hardcore Céline-fans.

I do understand that Vegas takes up a lot of her time, but it's not like she does nothing else in between? She went to ADISQ just last week! The major fans ate it up. The casual fans not so much, if they were aware of the appearance at all (I will actually count most of Québec as major fans, because that seems about right )

 

Sorry for the rant. Just trying to put things into perspective.

[empress]

She wanted a family life. She got that and Vegas. What more could anyone who wanted to spend quality time with children and perform everyweek ask for? I think she did well.

[dodobird]

 

 

Wow! First of all, I have to THANK YOU for your more than polite reply to me. Your reply is one of the very few I have seen in this forum who doesn't jump straight to my neck in anger when I opine about Vegas. Thank you for keeping it nice and calm! :flowers:

 

I'm not taking her away the credit for that achievement. That's very true, she changed the face of Vegas and many big artists followed her steps. But like I said, one thing is staying there for 3 years, amass a great success and fortune, and another thing is staying there for 10 years, extending contract after contract and milking the cow. With very little changes in the 2 shows she has performed there, if we are honest.

 

The first A New Day show was nice to see, even enjoyable. Despite the fact that we could foresee the first vocal problems she had to face while staying there. Not in vain, only after the first year, in 2004 she had a terrible nasal voice like she never had before. Vegas took its toll in her voice shortly after her first year of residence, and it's taking its toll today still, with more show cancellations. I think she's abusing her voice there. But if the so called "stability" that Vegas gives her is more compelling, I eat my words in this respect (though sad that she sacrifices her instrument for this reason).

 

Each time she has come back to Vegas to resume her concerts, there's always a problem with her voice. Vegas is wearing out her voice. Thank God she uses playback (though I have fish ears to notice when and where she uses this ) because otherwise she would have no voice after 1,000 concerts there.

 

And last but not least, I always come back to the same point here: would I rather have 1 performance of songs she has never performed before, like a version of Then You Look At Me performed live in 2003 while on tour, a live performance of I Know What Love Is performed in a small theater in 2006, or a live performance of Right In Front Of You performed in 2011 while touring a new album in Rome, before having 1,000 performances of BYLM, TPOL or MHWGO? Yes, I'd rather have those a thousand more times, without hesitation

 

What I'm trying to say is that I see no credit in having done 1,000 shows in that same place, when she had barely introduced changes and new songs throughout all these years to the shows. That's kind of frustrating, for an artist that has such a vast catalogue of songs (and GREAT songs of her own).

 

And what would have happened if Vegas hadn't crossed her path in 2003? Of course that's hard to know, but judging by the impressive progression of her career since 1996, which skyrocketed in 1998 with Titanic, and whose bombastic effect continued when she came back in 2002, it's not very difficult to foresee that if would have continued that way in 2003, 2004 etc. If only she had supported, promoted and toured the new albums and music she had just released, which were greatly received and praised by both critics and public. Just saying.

 

I'm afraid I don't know how to quote different parts of your reply separately so I'll just reply to all at once :

 

First off, thank YOU for appreciating it, I'm all for constructive and polite conversation (although sometimes I do get hot headed lol...I'm Mediterranean after all). But all jokes aside, it's very interesting to hear different views because they open my eyes to things I didn't know or notice before.

 

When I asked you why you hated Vegas so much I was genuinely interested to know your reasons because I've seen you express your dislike with Vegas multiple times. And you are right. I mean she IS straining her voice and she IS singing covers and the same songs again and again when her repertoire includes dozens upon dozens of gems that nobody (except us lol) knows about. On the other hand, I can't help but feel enormous respect for that woman because she's almost 50, she is anything but a diva when it comes to her fans and how hard she works, she has managed to have a stellar career so far without ever sacrificing her integrity or resorting to crazy antics to gain popularity and she has managed to maintain that career in her own terms....she travels when she wants to and the rest of the time she's a mom by day and a superstar by night, who gets to sleep in the same bed and tuck her kids in bed every night without being crippled by guilt that she's forcing them to live like nomads because of her career.

 

Anyway, I don't want to tire you any more than necessary! I really enjoyed this discussion and you really brought up some valid arguments that I hadn't thought about

 

 

[Javito]

And another question... don't want to add fuel to the fire but... who was more interested in Céline's comeback to Vegas in 2011, Céline herself OR Caesars Palace??? :innocent:

 

Discussion is open

[comingback]

And another question... don't want to add fuel to the fire but... who was more interested in Céline's comeback to Vegas in 2011, Céline herself OR Caesars Palace??? :innocent:

 

Discussion is open

 

 

Javito you know the answer .

Of course CP was happy that her cash-cow was back again and saved Vegas. And Celine was in her comfort-zone again.

So a win-win situation for both.

Yes, Celine must stop Vegas after 2019 ?, enough is enough and should do Mini-Tours.

How long is her contract ?

Edited November 8, 2016 at 10:39 PM by comingback

[manu23]

I think my answers are also polite Anyway I won't keep having this conversation over and over again, opinions are not facts, a fact is that A New Day album sold 9M when ATW had sold 23, LTAL 32 and FIY 31. Still Celine managed to be the second best female artist seller in the 00s only behind Britney (at her prime then) and all that despite Las Vegas. I can't think on any other artist with such a success in two consecutive decades, with or without Vegas her career would have been pretty much the same after 2002. But according to your Vegas theory, why the international career of Mariah Carey or Christina Aguilera (I could mention a few more) are almost nonexistent if they were never in Vegas?

[andrecb]

So imagine how her career would have been IF she hasn't started her contract in Vegas in 2003

 

 

At least her voice wouldn't be so damaged. She really overused her voice since then and Vegas' weather was the final straw.

The crystal clear tone has already gone, forever.

[Ororo Munroe]

At least her voice wouldn't be so damaged. She really overused her voice since then and Vegas' weather was the final straw.

The crystal clear tone has already gone, forever.

 

It's called, GETTING OLD

[québecflower]

It's called, GETTING OLD

but she is so rich , she could have bought some products against that

[browseceline]

At least her voice wouldn't be so damaged. She really overused her voice since then and Vegas' weather was the final straw.

The crystal clear tone has already gone, forever.

.i even never had the feeling that i want to see her show there. I am.so sick of those worn out songs. And i am pretty sure she is exhausted singing them too. Of course she does not listen to her songs at home. She does them in Vegas so much she can't hear them anymore;)

And those speeches... Tonight is the night! ( just like the many nights before)

 

 

 

 

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[joaofilho]

I just think she should do less gigs in Vegas, start doing mini tour in some places, not only in France and Quebec, but in other countries, Celine is an artist who succeeds everyone because they do not perform in other shows Places and not be limited in Vegas, France and Quebec.

 

Making more ads from her CDs and singles also in other countries this would surely start to gain more notoriety in her carreria, that say is a little stopped, not because of her more guilty than Sony.

[nuts2you]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/robin-leach/celine-dion-cancels-third-performance-caesars-palace-due-viral-infection

 

Enjoy this new article

[nuts2you]

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/music/celine-dion-cancels-third-consecutive-show-for-viral-infection/ar-AAk40Rc?li=BBqd5YP

 

Here Is another one ,

[CelinesDIVO5]

I think my answers are also polite Anyway I won't keep having this conversation over and over again, opinions are not facts, a fact is that A New Day album sold 9M when ATW had sold 23, LTAL 32 and FIY 31. Still Celine managed to be the second best female artist seller in the 00s only behind Britney (at her prime then) and all that despite Las Vegas. I can't think on any other artist with such a success in two consecutive decades, with or without Vegas her career would have been pretty much the same after 2002. But according to your Vegas theory, why the international career of Mariah Carey or Christina Aguilera (I could mention a few more) are almost nonexistent if they were never in Vegas?

 

Not to mention, that while she was all over the place for the promo of the ANDHC album, the title track didn't crack the top 10 on the hot 100 in the US.

 

It was an anticipated comeback and it was successful...but they had her all over the place. TV Special, Oprah, Leno, Letterman, World Children's Day, The Today Show, The Grammys, Rosie O'Donnell, Divas Las Vegas, Larry King, The View, VH1 TV Moments, Rock For The USA, Regis and Kelly, CBS Early Show, 20/20 with Barbara Walters...She barely did a FRACTION of this in the US for LMBTL or Taking Chances.

 

[browseceline]

Will Celine stay in Vegas with Trunp as the new president?...

 

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[Javito]

I think my answers are also polite Anyway I won't keep having this conversation over and over again, opinions are not facts, a fact is that A New Day album sold 9M when ATW had sold 23, LTAL 32 and FIY 31. Still Celine managed to be the second best female artist seller in the 00s only behind Britney (at her prime then) and all that despite Las Vegas. I can't think on any other artist with such a success in two consecutive decades, with or without Vegas her career would have been pretty much the same after 2002. But according to your Vegas theory, why the international career of Mariah Carey or Christina Aguilera (I could mention a few more) are almost nonexistent if they were never in Vegas?

 

Yes, ANDHC didn't sell 20+ million like FIY, LTAL or ATW because 2002 was the critical year when piracy was striking hard and free of consequence and album sales started to collapse dramatically. 2002 (Remember the message we had on the ANDHC album throughout all Europe stating "this CD will not play on PC/MAC", as an anti-piracy measure? It's the only album they used for that message, as well as with many other 2002 releases )

 

I don't know about Christina, but Mariah's peak and success in radios lasted way more than Celine's. Mariah's singles were greatly played in radios everywhere until 2008-2009, while Céline's new singles got barely any to no attention at all from 2004 onwards. The Emancipation Of Mimi, released in 2005, was an international success both with public and critics (We Belong Together was extensively played in every key market), selling more than 12 million copies worldwide, and her next album in 2008, E=MC2 got also widespread attention from radios and critics.

 

Where was Céline in 2005? Singing in Vegas, with no new music release for the English market until late 2007 (that was almost 5 years from One Heart until TC to release new English music)

 

Where was her Taking Chances album playing in Europe and US in 2007? With only one main single, and no reception for the second and third (almost non existent) singles?

 

Mariah's popularity and success with her music both with sales and radio airplay between 2003 and 2008 is incomparable to Céline's in the same period .

Edited November 9, 2016 at 08:08 AM by Javito

[CelineDionFreak]

Will Celine stay in Vegas with Trunp as the new president?...

 

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OF course she doesn't really care about the political situation and I don't blame her haha!

[manu23]

Javi I know you like proving your point at any cost, but at least you should show real numbers. Mariah's Emancipation has sold exactly the same as ANDHC, both close to 10M worldwide, with the difference that Mariah sold 7M in USA alone (her main market) and 3M in the rest of the world, whereas for Celine was quite the opposite (3,5 in US and the rest in other markets I believe). This alone proves how healthy her international career has always been. Then you talk about E=MC2, an album that has sold less than 2.5M, that's a million less than Taking Chances. I don't even want to go into the comparison of her last two attempts in comparison to LMBTL or SA. Yes Mariah had a very good 2005 but mainly in one market, US, where she has always been bigger than Celine in terms of singles. During the 90s we didn't have Vegas, still Celine only managed to have 4 #1 while Mariah had like 15 or so. Celine has always been more a album artist and actually thanks to how her career has been handled she is now bigger than Mariah in every possible way (except Christmas time, I give it to Mariah). And I don't even want to go into touring, where Celine actually destroys her.

 

Anyway I'm not here to compare artists, I'm not even a fan of Vegas, I always thought that doing 200 shows a year was crazy and her voice would suffer for it, but I don't agree on your theory that Celine's international career is dead because of Vegas, firstly because IT IS NOT, and she proves you wrong every single album she releases (Encore un Soir, a French album, is selling more than Britney and Madonna last English ones for instance), she just couldn't be on her prime forever (it will happen to Adele as well, mark my words, and she is not in Vegas), and second, probably in a way her Vegas residency has helped her career, she is now more acclaimed and respected than even before (one just need to read twitter every time she is on TV)

Edited November 9, 2016 at 11:56 AM by manu23

[Javito]

When I say that her international career is "dead" I'm referring to her English albums, not the French career. Those are two different worlds and I think we both know those are two different careers. I'm amazed and delighted as everyone about how great she's doing with her French albums, everytime she releases one, and despite the absolute lack of support from her record label.

 

But in terms of her international career (outside France and the French speaking countries) things are very different, since years ago. LMBTL was a flop overall, it only got some attention in the UK, which is great because that's one of the main markets worldwide, but still... the fact is that no radios play her music since late 2003. In a way, she turned her back to the international showbusiness when she decided to sing in Vegas and do that kind of show, which barely included the new music she released. Radios can't play a new single from an artist that for starters is not singing the new single in her shows

 

We all know Vegas has brought coverland to her concert setlists, performing and recording dozens of random covers both in Vegas and when touring, instead of believing in her own music and the new songs she records each time she has a new album, etc etc.

 

Yeah, Celine is an album seller, but she's not a singles seller just because she didn't want to. Once the promotion for OH finished with its last single (One Heart in June 2003) until she came back with new English music in september 2007 with Taking Chances, that's more than 4 years without new music. Do you think this would have been done by Mariah or Madonna (to name artists of similar level and sales)? No way. And radios don't forgive, neither.

 

Staying 4 years out of the market without releasing new music is one of the biggest mistakes she has done while being in Vegas. That would have never entered in the heads of any active artist of her category like Madonna or Mariah. So it was too much time without a new English single. She was so busy in her Vegas bubble. But radios don't forgive, that's the truth. And coming back in 2007 with another cover, that weak single which was Taking Chances, that was the straw that broke the camel's back, I'm afraid. Radios don't give any credibility to an artist that keeps releasing covers as a single on a constant basis

Edited November 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM by Javito

[manu23]

Omg haha You say she has never been a single artist and then you go directly to OH era without explaining why she wasn't a single artist in the 90s. Whatever, you win, Vegas and Vegas alone is to blame for Celine's shameful English career

[stevo]

I didn't know where to put this but why the F😱😧K have the Redheads posted a picture on their Facebook and Instagram of Céline with Trump, today of all days?!! Talk about bad PR!!

[DionFanAlways]

I didn't know where to put this but why the FK have the Redheads posted a picture on their Facebook and Instagram of Céline with Trump, today of all days?!! Talk about bad PR!!

Of course someone was going to post it but so what, that was back in '99, doesn't mean anything. Now if she were at a rally then there would be something to talk about!!

[Peppercorn1991]

I didn't know where to put this but why the F😱😧K have the Redheads posted a picture on their Facebook and Instagram of Céline with Trump, today of all days?!! Talk about bad PR!!

 

I thought the same!!

 

Kev x