"Courage" album - Official Topic

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Like that matters the branch that represents Celine has been “shut down” since 2003.

 

I’m just saying that already high expectations shouldn’t be so high right now lol.

[Shamrock_1982]

I would say the French side of Sony is smarter than the English side. Can't you push your contacts to follow the French way?

 

I have no complaints about Sony UK they always do an amazing job here with her, it’s Sony Canada that’s the issue.

 

And I don’t think it’s Sony France that try harder, in recent years Celine puts a lot more time and effort into her French albums and promotion than the English album promotion.

 

Look at 2013 when the LMBTL album came out, she did promo in the UK & U.S but done over a months shows in France around the same time for a French album.

Edited November 21, 2020 at 04:35 PM by Shamrock_1982

[Nmj]

 

 

I have no complaints about Sony UK they always do an amazing job here with her, it’s Sony Canada that’s the issue.

 

And I don’t think it’s Sony France that try harder, in recent years Celine puts a lot more time and effort into her French albums and promotion than the English album promotion.

 

Look at 2013 when the LMBTL album came out, she did promo in the UK & U.S but done over a months shows in France around the same time for a French album.

 

I think Celine and her team, have always placed more faith in her francophone fans. They seem to think her English fans are the safe crowd and it shows in album promotions. She always take more chances with the French album and promotion. In concert she takes more chances in her French shows as well. For example if you had to imagine a French show without PQTME it would be unlikely but still would likely have a chance to happen over an English show without MHWGO; the reason being the English speaking public would probably riot! Lol

 

[Xpresso]

I have no complaints about Sony UK they always do an amazing job here with her, it's Sony Canada that's the issue.

 

And I don't think it's Sony France that try harder, in recent years Celine puts a lot more time and effort into her French albums and promotion than the English album promotion.

 

Look at 2013 when the LMBTL album came out, she did promo in the UK & U.S but done over a months shows in France around the same time for a French album.

I agree that in the UK they do a pretty good job. And in Canada, Celine sells very well without having to do much promo. Sony USA on the other hand leave a lot to be desired. It just seems that there is no plan. I think when the label puts a decent promo plan together, Celine has no problem promoting - as she does in France.

[Shamrock_1982]

Well according to my contact it’s Sony Canada who call all the shots with her English career and that’s the problem!

[Xpresso]

Well according to my contact it's Sony Canada who call all the shots with her English career and that's the problem!

Seriously? That seems strange that Sony Canada would call the shots for the US, Australia, NZ, and even the UK. Then why would the UK do a better job if it's still Sony Canada handling it?

[Shamrock_1982]

When Celine is in the uk the uk branch can do what they want promotion wise when she’s here, but everything else is decided by Sony Canada, what singles get released, what videos get released etc

[Xpresso]

I'm not sure I buy that. Every Sony branch seems to decide on the promo in their specific market. In terms of singles, yes I think that's accurate although I wonder why the singles are often different in the UK. I suppose there might be a lot of inner fights going on...

[Del]

But they still could release the really long version as a proper docu for the real fans on a dvd or online, and could still be posting the short clips on social media. No problem at all. But for them, every single thing seems to be a huge effort... a bunch of incompetent people who have no idea how to please fans. They are not even interested in what the fans want. Shame

 

Moreover, all this footage comes now, a year after the album release...

 

I just think it’s a pity what is happening with her career management at the moment.

I believe it all has to do with the dollar amount. Revenue for amount of money spent. Why would they spend huge amounts of money for a small percentage of fans 4hat want something. While she's a big superstars she's no Taylor Swift these days and doesn't bring in he money with album and songs like she used to. It's a harsh reality for us fans to accept when we used to get everything we wanted. Yes there's lots of potential but will they get the return they want when the general population won't care, probably not.

 

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[ryba]

I believe it all has to do with the dollar amount. Revenue for amount of money spent. Why would they spend huge amounts of money for a small percentage of fans 4hat want something. While she's a big superstars she's no Taylor Swift these days and doesn't bring in he money with album and songs like she used to. It's a harsh reality for us fans to accept when we used to get everything we wanted. Yes there's lots of potential but will they get the return they want when the general population won't care, probably not.

 

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they could also release a long docu about the 2016, 2017 or even the Courage tour or the Courage recording sessions that fans have to pay for if they want to watch, and so they would make decent money with materials that are already filmed anyway. Easy money for them and a treat for us. But for them everything seems highly complicated

[Del]

 

Im just saying that already high expectations shouldnt be so high right now lol.

There's many people that don't want to be out and about these days. Even if there are production companies that were open for work, I think many she just doesn't want to be out. If she feel safe at home why should she go out. At least that is what I say.

 

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[guigafs15]

I think there's something to do with budget and public interest, too. Celine, in the francophone market, it's still a huge brand. She sells better than most, she hits the top of the charts, she elevate the numbers on TV.

 

In her english career, it's not the same anymore. That's why she have more budget (proportionally, of course) to do whatever she wants in her franch career, and more open doors too.

 

I doubt any channel would give Celine one hour just to promote her album in USA, like they do in France. She usually have a couple minutes in a interview show and half of it's just rubbish.

 

Bottom line is: she is still a top priority for Sony in French markets. In USA, she's not. She have less budget and attention, and usually have to wait and work her marketing schedule around the priority artists.

[Del]

I agree that in the UK they do a pretty good job. And in Canada, Celine sells very well without having to do much promo. Sony USA on the other hand leave a lot to be desired. It just seems that there is no plan. I think when the label puts a decent promo plan together, Celine has no problem promoting - as she does in France.

She sells well in Quebec without promotion. I find it's a bit of a harder sell in English Canada. While they had Céline day on the radio and a great display at Costco and other bigger stores the majority of her sales come from Quebec. I wish they would have her do a special that is specific for English. They bank on all the American promotion ( or so it seems) for English Canada as we all get the American channels. And we know how well the American promotion has gone lately...

 

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[PuraVida]

I think there's something to do with budget and public interest, too. Celine, in the francophone market, it's still a huge brand. She sells better than most, she hits the top of the charts, she elevate the numbers on TV.

 

In her english career, it's not the same anymore. That's why she have more budget (proportionally, of course) to do whatever she wants in her franch career, and more open doors too.

 

I doubt any channel would give Celine one hour just to promote her album in USA, like they do in France. She usually have a couple minutes in a interview show and half of it's just rubbish.

 

Bottom line is: she is still a top priority for Sony in French markets. In USA, she's not. She have less budget and attention, and usually have to wait and work her marketing schedule around the priority artists.

 

Public interest matters, but Celine had that with the Celinaissance and image makeover. She just really needed to capitalize on that in a coherent way. I don't think she really did. Like, her image changed and her reputation did, but she didn't really monetize it or take it to the full advantage. She just let others do it for her rather than taking charge herself.

[PuraVida]

Courage tour promotion could have been a total Instagram re-design, making her promo video a lot closer to the actual launch, she could've brought her album to fashion week and posed for an "oopsie" photo with it (cheeky and cheesy, but she's so iconic she would've pulled it off), and she could've done so many better programs:

 

Elle Magazine Song Association, Vogue/Vanity Fair/Pitchfork and all of their online video series they do on Youtube, Carpool Karaoke--which she did, but she didn't even do it when her album was officially out nor naming the songs--, Jimmy Kimmel, BBC Radio 1 performances and interviews, interview with Apple Music with that famous dude whose name escapes me..., Kelly Clarkson's new show, the list can go on.

 

Basically, she did none of it.

[PuraVida]

I think this is the longest unfiltered or unedited clip of Celine we've ever seen with out any pauses and with raw vocals. No camera crew, no enhancements on her voice from technology, no editing or TV commercial break. Just her being herself in the recording studio and chatting it up in between takes.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHAAhxYFTgs

Edited November 22, 2020 at 02:31 AM by PuraVida

[jpatdeleon09]

I must say that Céline said was true before that Rene really knows her voice well. He knows what note she’s strong at and weak. By watching him at the end of the session. The medium well and well done thing they said. The manager Rene also has the say with what take is the best for the song.

 

I wonder if we can still get a manager like him.

[mirage]

Oh wow now this is a recording session.

Love that he posted this, gosh so many things we don't see.

Hope he has more of unreleased stuff from his meetings with her.

 

I think this is the longest unfiltered or unedited clip of Celine we've ever seen with out any pauses and with raw vocals. No camera crew, no enhancements on her voice from technology, no editing or TV commercial break. Just her being herself in the recording studio and chatting it up in between takes.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHAAhxYFTgs

[Shaun]

I must say that Céline said was true before that Rene really knows her voice well. He knows what note she’s strong at and weak. By watching him at the end of the session. The medium well and well done thing they said. The manager Rene also has the say with what take is the best for the song.

 

I wonder if we can still get a manager like him.

 

There’s no doubt in my mind that René would not have allowed the vocals / pronunciation issues that made their way onto the Courage album.

[PuraVida]

I must say that Céline said was true before that Rene really knows her voice well. He knows what note she's strong at and weak. By watching him at the end of the session. The medium well and well done thing they said. The manager Rene also has the say with what take is the best for the song.

 

I wonder if we can still get a manager like him.

 

Which part are you referring to? I didn't watch it all, but I only heard Rene speaking French during the parts I watched so I didn't understand

[comingback]

 

 

There’s no doubt in my mind that René would not have allowed the vocals / pronunciation issues that made their way onto the Courage album.

 

One year ago, I was excited about the new album Courage, but when I listened to it for the first time, I was so pissed off about the production and pronounciation. I has never heard that on a Celine album before.

Edited November 22, 2020 at 11:19 AM by comingback

[ryba]

One year ago I was excited about the new album Courage, but when I listened to it for the first time, I was so pissed off about the production and pronounciation. I never heard such a bad

From what I see is happening now, I see that Celine is a great singer and performer, but she is not good at taking the right decisions... Rene was good for her and now it's clear that he is missing Edited November 22, 2020 at 11:09 AM by ryba

[Ajax]

From now on, we will have this collective delirium on how René was an angel and this would have never happenned.

I guess this is a normal delusional feeling after someone death over facts and that's how it is.

[browseceline]

The pronounciation is not the best and for that a producer should have been more on point and let her sing certain phrases again. We blame it on the lack of Rene but any producer could have let her sing to perfection and guide her. So here the producers in the studio , who can guide her, are to blame as well

 

As for her not promoting her songs enough in her tours.

I think the problem is al money - people that come to her concerts want to hear the hits and are less interested in new stuff. We fans do want to hear them but the show has to be successful so she does not take chances and wants to please the mainstream audience to make it a successful show. But I wish , now she is in charge, changes the wheel and goes her own way and really sings more songs of her latest album, and a few of the obligatory songs. But the new songs songs should be the main part of the show.

 

 

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Edited November 22, 2020 at 11:19 AM by browseceline

[comingback]

One year ago, I was excited about the new album Courage, but when I listened to it for the first time, I was so pissed off about the production and pronounciation. I have never heard that on a Celine album before.

 

Edited November 22, 2020 at 11:39 AM by comingback

[Shaun]

The pronounciation is not the best and for that a producer should have been more on point and let her sing certain phrases again. We blame it on the lack of Rene but any producer could have let her sing to perfection and guide her. So here the producers in the studio , who can guide her, are to blame as well

 

Yes that could also be true. I guess we’ll never truly know.

 

I remember René was apprehensive about including “That’s Just The Woman In Me” on a Celine album because it sounded so unlike Celine before he finally let her include it on “Taking Chances.” He knew how the fans, and the public, wanted her to sound. So I can only imagine if he’d witnessed some of the “Courage” sessions he would’ve insisted some vocals were re-recorded or polished up.

 

Or perhaps there were producers who were just too in awe or even scared of Celine to ask her to sing some phrases again. Was there anyone like Kara Dioguardi asking her to sing things again and again until it was right like she did during the “Surprise Surprise” session? Celine clearly got annoyed that day but the finished results made it worth it. Judging by the fact there are numerous times on “Courage” where you actually cannot understand what is being sung I doubt it anyone pushed her like that.

 

And of course another option is the finished results that we have today could be just exactly what they were aiming for. We’ll never know.

[jpatdeleon09]

Which part are you referring to? I didn't watch it all, but I only heard Rene speaking French during the parts I watched so I didn't understand

 

It’s almost at the end part. Maybe around 31 minutes?

[jpatdeleon09]

The pronounciation is not the best and for that a producer should have been more on point and let her sing certain phrases again. We blame it on the lack of Rene but any producer could have let her sing to perfection and guide her. So here the producers in the studio , who can guide her, are to blame as well

 

As for her not promoting her songs enough in her tours.

I think the problem is al money - people that come to her concerts want to hear the hits and are less interested in new stuff. We fans do want to hear them but the show has to be successful so she does not take chances and wants to please the mainstream audience to make it a successful show. But I wish , now she is in charge, changes the wheel and goes her own way and really sings more songs of her latest album, and a few of the obligatory songs. But the new songs songs should be the main part of the show.

 

 

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The pronounciation is not the best and for that a producer should have been more on point and let her sing certain phrases again. We blame it on the lack of Rene but any producer could have let her sing to perfection and guide her. So here the producers in the studio , who can guide her, are to blame as well

 

As for her not promoting her songs enough in her tours.

I think the problem is al money - people that come to her concerts want to hear the hits and are less interested in new stuff. We fans do want to hear them but the show has to be successful so she does not take chances and wants to please the mainstream audience to make it a successful show. But I wish , now she is in charge, changes the wheel and goes her own way and really sings more songs of her latest album, and a few of the obligatory songs. But the new songs songs should be the main part of the show.

 

 

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her producer here is Humberto, right? If it was Kara. OMG! She should hire her as as her diction coach. I wonder if someone has the courage to tell that to Kara lol I wonder what’s her response with this.

[ryba]

her producer here is Humberto, right? If it was Kara. OMG! She should hire her as as her diction coach. I wonder if someone has the courage to tell that to Kara lol I wonder what’s her response with this.

If she heard the new album, I think she would totally agree But I guess she'd have very little to say, because Celine is now the boss.

 

To me it looks like Celine had to constantly follow instructions all her life, and now she broke free and doesn't let anyone command her around anymore, and if they do, she'll fire them LOL (no wonder she has a team of yes-sayers)

Edited November 22, 2020 at 12:23 PM by ryba

[Xpresso]

If she heard the new album, I think she would totally agree But I guess she'd have very little to say, because Celine is now the boss.

 

To me it looks like Celine had to constantly follow instructions all her life, and now she broke free and doesn't let anyone command her around anymore, and if they do, she'll fire them LOL (no wonder she has a team of yes-sayers)

I don't agree. If anyone can take constructive criticism, it's Celine. She always wants to please the people she works with. So yes, she follows instructions in the studio and is always happy to make things better. Kara was just a bit too direct and insisting unlike most people Celine worked with in the past... I think it's her approach that Celine didn't like, and not the fact of having to re-sing over and over. Edited November 22, 2020 at 01:22 PM by Xpresso