"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Javito]

ONE HEART can be the flop in people’s mind but to me it’s more a piece of art than “Taking Chances”, “Loved Me Back To Life” and others...

 

It was commercially a "flop" because she just ignored it. She only had eyes and time for Vegas and we know that was enough pressure for her to deal with

 

If they had released a double CD set of the ANDHC album in 2003 including all these songs (I assume she recorded all of them for ANDHC or more previous albums), I'm sure the release would have done much better, because it had the backing guarantee of the commercial success of ANDHC.

 

“I know what love is” one of her most underrated ballads EVER!

 

Amen to this!!! It's just an exquisite ballad It was a total shame Celine ignored this song back in the days of its release (as she did with most of the OH album)

 

I'd love to see this performed as much as the one-so-wanted-by-everyone Then You Look At Me

Edited September 5, 2019 at 08:50 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

 

 

TEOM was one of the single greatest comeback records EVER.

 

As much as some here may like to disgaree, TEOM was a farrrrr grander and more incredible comeback than ANDHC. The success she had with that album and her reinvention was incredible to witness, she was even great vocally, she was trully happy for the first time in a long while and it showed

[Javito]

As much as some here may like to disgaree, TEOM was a farrrrr grander and more incredible comeback than ANDHC. The success she had with that album and her reinvention was incredible to witness, she was even great vocally, she was trully happy for the first time in a long while and it showed

 

LOL I don't pretend to always be the advocate of this album, but can't you see that all the things you say just apply equally to every comma to Céline?! You could say exactly the same word by word with Céline's comeback in 2002: reinvention -you had it with this new sound-, vocally greater -the videos of all her live performances prove this-, more happy than ever -with her motherhood, needless to say!- and above all, it showed everywhere and on every single interview

 

And again, may I insist that you are saying things with the perspective of what you lived in the US, and you people living in the US tend to implicitly mean that what happens (or doesn't happen) in the US is what happens/doesn't happen in the rest of the world. I have big laughs with this sorry , since Mariah's album in 2005 had not even quite a quarter of the impact and success it witnessed in the US, not to say it barely did any noise in radios

 

Mariah's career in Europe became silent after Charmbracelet. It hasn't sold more than Celine's 2002 comeback album (in fact they're both around the 12+ million copies sold worldwide) and it was way more successful in Asia for example than in Europe, where it only sold 1 million On the other hand, I don't know how much did Celine's ANDHC album sell in Europe but it's certainly more than 1 million since only in France she sold that lol

 

So just because an album makes some noise in the US, it doesn't necessarily always replicates in Europe/the rest of the world Same as with Celine's ANDHC album in 2002, but the other way around: it might had not been the success she enjoyed with FIY or LTAL in the US, but believe me, she had a massive success in all Europe with it, whether you perceived it in the US or not

Edited September 5, 2019 at 09:10 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

LOL I don't pretend to be always defending this album, but all the things you say just apply equally to every comma to Céline! You could say exactly the same with Céline's comeback in 2002: reinvention, vocally greater, more happy than ever and above all, it showed

 

And again, may I insist that you are saying things with the perspective of what you lived in the US, and you people living in the US tend to translate what happens (or doesn't happen) in the US is what happens/doesn't happen in the rest of the world. I have big laughs with this sorry , since Mariah's album in 2005 had not even quite a quarter of the impact and success it witnessed in the US Just because an album makes some noise in the US, it doesn't necessarily always replicates in Europe/the rest of the world

 

Same as with Celine's ANDHC album in 2002, but the other way around: it might had not been the success she enjoyed with FIY or LTAL in the US, but believe me, she had a massive success in all Europe with it, whether you perceived it in the US or not

 

It was very different for Mariah though. People thought that she was done. She’d had a very public mental breakdown, her voice was not great and she was in a dark place. There was nobody that didn’t expect Celine to have a successful comeback. She was also only coming back from a break. Mariah was coming back from a very dark time in her life and career.

[Javito]

It was very different for Mariah though. People thought that she was done. She'd had a very public mental breakdown, her voice was not great and she was in a dark place. There was nobody that didn't expect Celine to have a successful comeback. She was also only coming back from a break. Mariah was coming back from a very dark time in her life and career.

 

Yes and I don't take the credit away from her for that! But from there to say that Mariah's comeback was "far more grander and incredible" than Celine's... As if she wasn't great vocally that year and equally happy.

 

You should have lived somewhere in Europe back in 2002, to understand how Celine was everywhere that year here and how different her presence in Europe was from her previous albums. You were so used to having her 24/7 in the US before 2002, you were spoiled. But here was the other way around. The promotion of her album and her presence on magazines, TV and radio was massive that year.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

LOL I don't pretend to always be the advocate of this album, but can't you see that all the things you say just apply equally to every comma to Céline?! You could say exactly the same word by word with Céline's comeback in 2002: reinvention -you had it with this new sound-, vocally greater -the videos of all her live performances prove this-, more happy than ever -with her motherhood, needless to say!- and above all, it showed everywhere and on every single interview

 

And again, may I insist that you are saying things with the perspective of what you lived in the US, and you people living in the US tend to implicitly mean that what happens (or doesn't happen) in the US is what happens/doesn't happen in the rest of the world. I have big laughs with this sorry , since Mariah's album in 2005 had not even quite a quarter of the impact and success it witnessed in the US, not to say it barely did any noise in radios

 

Mariah's career in Europe became silent after Charmbracelet. It hasn't sold more than Celine's 2002 comeback album (in fact they're both around the 12+ million copies sold worldwide) and it was way more successful in Asia for example than in Europe, where it only sold 1 million On the other hand, I don't know how much did Celine's ANDHC album sell in Europe but it's certainly more than 1 million since only in France she sold that lol

 

So just because an album makes some noise in the US, it doesn't necessarily always replicates in Europe/the rest of the world Same as with Celine's ANDHC album in 2002, but the other way around: it might had not been the success she enjoyed with FIY or LTAL in the US, but believe me, she had a massive success in all Europe with it, whether you perceived it in the US or not

 

Of course it does, i agree with every single word you said. However, TEOM was simply bigger than ANDHC, in both the US, South America, Asia and Africa, every continen except Europe, therefore, a grander and bigger comeback. However im not going to act like ANDHC didnt dwarf TEOM in Europe, TEOM did win everywhere else.... however, i will say, TEOM and ANDHC are both two of the most iconic comebacks ever to come from my two favourite artists. And no, me saying what happened in the US is greater / what happened everywhere else, no, i dont believe that at all. However, selling what she did in the US after being destroyed in the media, struggling 24/7 and flopping, celines wasnt a comeback in that sense as such.

 

Regardless, this is a thread for courage, now TEOM or ANDHC, so lets move on, get back on the subject and talk about this new album and what we think/want/hope !

Edited September 5, 2019 at 09:27 PM by AdrienneM

[fred]

Yea. And what's their agenda with Céline actually? 😞

 

 

 

 

Usually the label has the final say.

[fred]

If she is silenced by SONY to talk about her new album I can't see why at all..... it's not like her albums are ultra new and hot and are a complete surprise content wise which would be "damaged" if leaked early. We'll probably get something we're used to getting (sadly)...

 

I think the main reason she doesn't talk about it is coz they still haven't decided what songs will make it to the final cut.

 

 

 

 

With all the "new" approach recently showed by her toward music, she'd better stop using the word

Boss since it's clear she is vetoed by Sony to speak even about a new single

and she is not really controling everything regard her career (sadly)

And hey if she has enough music for 4 albums, she should roll up her sleeves

and go get us 2 albums at least.

A decent compensation after all thevia dolorosa Sony has been giving to us

[fred]

I'm BTW so starved for new music I am even listening to the Miracle album. 😂

[DionFanAlways]

I'm BTW so starved for new music I am even listening to the Miracle album.

....you need an intervention, badly!

[sarit_celine]

If she is silenced by SONY to talk about her new album I can't see why at all..... it's not like her albums are ultra new and hot and are a complete surprise content wise which would be "damaged" if leaked early. We'll probably get something we're used to getting (sadly)...

 

I think the main reason she doesn't talk about it is coz they still haven't decided what songs will make it to the final cut.

 

No fans of her think she was long retired from music and only do fashion stuff

 

When she was talking with the press in Paris and gave even an interview to one British interviewer if I recall correctly,

she didn't say a word about the album, I thought it was lame but could see a reason for doing so.

 

For ET Canda she is sitting in a set that has to do with her Tour, or even a musical video but even then

nothing of nothing, I can't find any other reason than just to keep this lame strategy of killing time

until she is allowed to share some new details. Zero hype for her Tour, zero hype about new single.

 

FOMO imo can't be consider as a single, it wasn't sent to radio stations and Sony destroyed it right away

so normally I thought to myself she does need to speak what will be next but that is yet to come

I just think all this could be handled better:)

 

For the moment she is mistakenly being portrayed

as being carless about her music career, I deeply believe this situation is not by her fault.

 

And yes, It may be that they don't know what to realase next, I won't be surprise, or that they just prefer to keep it as a surprise

for the fans in these upcoming shows

[sarit_celine]

I'm BTW so starved for new music I am even listening to the Miracle album.

 

My goodness, I never ever heard this album completely, love only 1 song from there

 

When she said album will have "different flavors" I do wonder what it might be.

I've checked about the artist, skylar grey, I got bored very quickly, and she sounds like a clon of Sia

I'm now very worried LOL. I want another OH album

where I can enjoy what I hear and won't skip so many songs.

[sarit_celine]

So new post in her instagram account, is it about the interview she just gave to ET Canda

where she said she is willing to give fans many new tracks as possible?

Of course that not, so they are even ignoring that LOL, thought I love what she wears in the new photos.

It seems that Pepe is handling her accounts

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2CcApMnARr/

[Nmj]

So new post in her instagram account, is it about the interview she just gave to ET Canda

where she said she is willing to give fans many new tracks as possible?

Of course that not, so they are even ignoring that LOL, thought I love what she wears in the new photos.

It seems that Pepe is handling her accounts

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2CcApMnARr/

 

I took it as the tour setlist when she said “ I wanna give them as many songs as they want to hear”

[kathy4]

Will we be able to preorder on the website?

[ryba]

I'm BTW so starved for new music I am even listening to the Miracle album.

LOL :D

[sarit_celine]

I took it as the tour setlist when she said “ I wanna give them as many songs as they want to hear”

 

Yep:) In any case she speaks just for speaking

See the expression she makes when she implies that setlist won't be that much different

so fans shouldn't be dissapointed. That's how I understand her take on the setlist for new shows...

[ryba]

It’s just amazing to me how she and her team assume that people just come to her shows for those „classics“. Have they never thought about the fact that she has been offering the same setlist for every audience for so long now that people might get bored and tired of it? Her fans are not retarded, but they act as if we were. Edited September 6, 2019 at 06:59 AM by ryba

[AdrienneM]

Imagine using that word... disgusting

[jolo87]

 

 

It was very different for Mariah though. People thought that she was done. She’d had a very public mental breakdown, her voice was not great and she was in a dark place. There was nobody that didn’t expect Celine to have a successful comeback. She was also only coming back from a break. Mariah was coming back from a very dark time in her life and career.

 

Actually, Mariah's live voice in 2002 was in incredible condition ... much better even than in 98/99, when I suspect she was drinking a lot, "partying" a bit too much, etc. The problem with Charmbracelet was the vocal style and song choices.

[sarit_celine]

It's just amazing to me how she and her team assume that people just come to her shows for those „classics". Have they never thought about the fact that she has been offering the same setlist for every audience for so long now that people might get bored and tired of it? Her fans are not retarded, but they act as if we were.

 

They are focused in finding the "common" setlist for the masses, and focus less in harcorde fans

but who are the ones that are going to see her mostly? and will buy her materials?

Why everything must to be so messed up

I think not few of us would really love to hear something very fresh and songs she never sang live before

is that something too big to fullfil?

[sarit_celine]

Actually if for the first time Celine will come to perform here and won't sing any of her Big hits

I will really not care about it at all. Let it be new, let it be creative with each New Tour.

[Xpresso]

 

It seems that Pepe is handling her accounts

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2CcApMnARr/

I think she looks very good in this pic. And she seems to have gained a little bit of weight.

And from this new pic and the look on ET, I believe Pepe is going for a more "Spanish" look and it suits her in my opinion!

[Allysadreams]

I just hope that Linda Perry & Diane Warren have contributed to this album in some context....I'm happy with what I have heard so far Ready for new Celine music so bad but on a selfish notes I really hope we have at least 14 tracks on this album...Or if it is a standard 12 track that there a special edition of at least 14 tracks... Desperate for a track listing or some more information about this album but I have a feeling that we wont get much news until October

[sarit_celine]

I think she looks very good in this pic. And she seems to have gained a little bit of weight.

And from this new pic and the look on ET, I believe Pepe is going for a more "Spanish" look and it suits her in my opinion!

 

Yes she has gain a little bit of weight, a bit of relief to see that

and I would say she has more happiness in her eyes

It will be nice if she sticks with that stupendous Spanish style

[scielle]

There's generally a lot of misunderstanding on this forum about how label contracts work.

 

I won't address every erroneous assumption and assertion made above because that would take pages, but I suggest a reading of All You Need to Know About the Music Business by Don Passman.

It's been the industry bible for many years, and is widely used as reference by labels, artists, banks and private equity firms that finance catalogues or masters, and basically anybody in the music industry that needs to deal with artist contracts.

(Incidentally, Passman also now happens to be Taylor's lawyer.)

[ryba]

 

 

Yes she has gain a little bit of weight, a bit of relief to see that

and I would say she has more happiness in her eyes

It will be nice if she sticks with that stupendous Spanish style

that picture was taken while she was still performing in Cesars Palace, so I guess she lost waight since then

[fred]

Greed? Why give away more than they have to?

 

but still, why would they not want to allow her to release more songs for her fans after 6 yeras of waiting? What’s the sense in that?

[fred]

It would be really cool if the made an album series out of it. Like doing three albums over let's say three years... and giving them an overall name then each a different subtitle. Like calling the series Dionaissance (or why not Flying On My Own) and then Courage being the first album off the series.

 

I think my idea is brilliant!

 

Question is would she be cocky enough to name it Dionaissance? I think she should!!

 

Well, she is just telling that out of 50 songs they must do a selection, and it's hard.

 

Unbelievable really !

[sarit_celine]

that picture was taken while she was still performing in Cesars Palace, so I guess she lost waight since then

 

As for gaining more weight, I refered to her last interview, yes she is still pretty skinny

and that shows even when she was all covered up, but at least she looks more healthy,

more full of life if I can put it that way. An age comes when one can't go way below

an healthy weight (or way up).

Wishing her to get mentally stronger each day we need her for many years to come.