"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Javito]

She talks nonsense indeed, she contradicts herself when she says she is no queen and she is no boss, but in other interviews she claims to be the boss. And she wears a coat saying "queen" on the back. (How can you take her seriously when she does stuff like that?) But whatever...

 

What bothers me the most here is why her management has to figure out a plan to release more of her recorded songs? Why is there a plan needed? Is it not enough to put them on the album? It sounds like she is only allowed to have a very limited number of tracks, but she wants to give her fans more and lets her team figure out a plan. I don't get that. Isn't she allowed to decide how many tracks will be on her album? I wish they would show that segment in the video insted of showing how she talks about how many closets she has.

 

Exactly. If she's THE boss and she is in control of everything now, she can certainly have a say and decide how many songs her new album is going to include, can't she?? Because she's so contradictory, when she speaks about this she seems to be under some blig claw who decides and obliges her to do things she doesn't agree with

[scielle]

 

 

Exactly. If she's THE boss and she is in control of everything now, she can certainly have a say and decide how many songs her new album is going to include, can't she?? Because she's so contradictory, when she speaks about this she seems to be under some blig claw who decides and obliges her to do things she doesn't agree with

 

Usually the label has the final say.

[Javito]

Usually the label has the final say.

 

Yes and no. Yes when you're a nobody or a begginer in this industry and are at the total mercy of a record label. Definitely NOT when you are Celine Dion and has released over 35 albums and been in this industry more than 30 years

[scielle]

 

 

Yes and no. Yes when you're a nobody or a begginer in this industry and are at the total mercy of a record label. Definitely NOT when you are Celine Dion and has released over 35 albums and been in this industry more than 30 years

 

Yes, it's definitely a progression, from a newbie to a Taylor-type deal, and Celine is definitely closer to the latter. But I doubt her deal is as favorable to the artist as Taylor's is, and unless you've seen the contract, none of us really knows her specific terms.

[Javito]

Yes, it's definitely a progression, from a newbie to a Taylor-type deal, and Celine is definitely closer to the latter. But I doubt her deal is as favorable to the artist as Taylor's is, and unless you've seen the contract, none of us really knows her specific terms.

 

I'm sure she hasn't signed any clause that specifically obliges her to release 12 *and only 12* songs in her albums??? :wtf: A minimum is possible, no less than 10 songs for example, but a fixed limit? Please, think again. That's absurd

[AdrienneM]

Regardless of what the contract says, they decide on the album before its mass produced, whether youre Celine Dion or Mr Newbie, the label has the final word, if they say 12, 12 it is

[Javito]

Regardless of what the contract says, they decide on the album before its mass produced, whether youre Celine Dion or Mr Newbie, the label has the final word, if they say 12, 12 it is

 

Nope... Celine had already her say proposing specific singles in the past, ideas for photoshoots that Sony didn't agree with, and this happened 15 years ago. Now with more reason, if she wants to deliver her public an album of 18 songs, or a double album, she has more power than ever to do it, precisely because she's Celine Dion and not any newbie

[pepillo90]

Yes and no. Yes when you're a nobody or a begginer in this industry and are at the total mercy of a record label. Definitely NOT when you are Celine Dion and has released over 35 albums and been in this industry more than 30 years

 

I love when people who is not in the music industry talks about the music industry as they really know how it works... Even Madonna, MADONNA, says she doesn't feel like she's in control:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24HmH-usYxw

 

Minute 11:45

[scielle]

 

 

I'm sure she hasn't signed any clause that specifically obliges her to release 12 *and only 12* songs in her albums??? :wtf: A minimum is possible, no less than 10 songs for example, but a fixed limit? Please, think again. That's absurd

 

No, it's not absurd as all. Album length is often contractually defined.

Many contracts prohibit the artist from delivering double albums, or delivering more than one album at a time.

Edited September 5, 2019 at 03:44 PM by scielle

[Ajax]

Yes, apparently. I think La Press reported on that?

 

I think his use of ONCP in Mommy had a lot of people who previously dismissed her give her another look.

And believe watching Mommy is also what precipitated Adele to reach out to him.

 

I would say that it's even more than that. Unconsciously, it started the whole Dionnaissance process, at least in the Francophone countries but not only, and before everything else.

Celine Dion was finnaly dubbed by the art house film, it clearly changed the global perception people had on her. Not only that but this sequence became THE cult scene of the movie. For me, there will be a before and after, as we observed for Titanic or huge things like this. This is huge, really. In a more subtil and unconscious way, but it did a lot.

Edited September 5, 2019 at 03:51 PM by Ajax

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Nope... Celine had already her say proposing specific singles in the past, ideas for photoshoots that Sony didn't agree with, and this happened 15 years ago. Now with more reason, if she wants to deliver her public an album of 18 songs, or a double album, she has more power than ever to do it, precisely because she's Celine Dion and not any newbie

 

Key word in that paragraph: PROPOSING. If at the end of the day they said no, that would be that. They’re in charge of her, like it or not. Shes arguably an employee, she had to sign a contract with them, not the other way around. If people like Madonna, Taylor, Barbra and Mariah still get dictated to and are told what they can and cant release, celine sure is

[ryba]

 

 

Usually the label has the final say.

sorry but why would Sony insist on putting only 12 songs on Celines next album and not lets say 18 or more? What would be the logic behind it? And why would they treat their veteran artist who has earned them millions of dollars like that? It doesn’t make sense to me. Edited September 5, 2019 at 03:51 PM by ryba

[scielle]

 

 

Key word in that paragraph: PROPOSING. If at the end of the day they said no, that would be that. They’re in charge of her, like it or not. Shes arguably an employee, she had to sign a contract with them, not the other way around. If people like Madonna, Taylor, Barbra and Mariah still get dictated to and are told what they can and cant release, celine sure is

 

And let us not forget that the reason we got "Artist Formerly Known as Prince" was because Prince wanted to emancipate himself from Warner's release constraints.

[isurrender]

 

 

Usually the label has the final say.

 

I wonder if people on this forum follow other artists... because a lot seems to think that her label has the final say on a lot of matters. This is not true.

 

 

Of course, there can be some disagreement, but not on number of songs. Before ( well still now on physical stuff) there was a limit because it had to fit on one cd.. but now ...

 

Céline is allowed to do whatever she wants to, I'm pretty sure of that. Especially since she's one of the biggest stars on earth.It's because she doesn't want to or have no idea what to do...

 

Even signed on major labels, other artists - less famous - have already talked about what they wanted to do or not,

Why they didn't include that song , etc...

 

 

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I wonder if people on this forum follow other artists... because a lot seems to think that her label has the final say on a lot of matters. This is not true.

 

 

Of course, there can be some disagreement, but not on number of songs. Before ( well still now on physical stuff) there was a limit because it had to fit on one cd.. but now ...

 

Céline is allowed to do whatever she wants to, I'm pretty sure of that. Especially since she's one of the biggest stars on earth.It's because she doesn't want to or have no idea what to do...

 

Even signed on major labels, other artists - less famous - have already talked about what they wanted to do or not,

Why they didn't include that song , etc...

 

There absolutely can. Mariah wanted originally to have Daydream as a 6 track EP. She was told no. She wanted The Emancipation of Mimi to be a double album. Was told no. Madonna has repeatedly stated her artistry, amount of albums released and tracks on songs has been curbed and lets not even talk about Taylor Swifts debacle

[sarit_celine]

Exactly. If she's THE boss and she is in control of everything now, she can certainly have a say and decide how many songs her new album is going to include, can't she?? Because she's so contradictory, when she speaks about this she seems to be under some blig claw who decides and obliges her to do things she doesn't agree with

 

With all the "new" approach recently showed by her toward music, she'd better stop using the word

Boss since it's clear she is vetoed by Sony to speak even about a new single

and she is not really controling everything regard her career (sadly)

And hey if she has enough music for 4 albums, she should roll up her sleeves

and go get us 2 albums at least.

A decent compensation after all thevia dolorosa Sony has been giving to us

[mirage]

I think it works both ways.

Im sure Céline can 'demand' a bit more than others.

But I also believe that Sony just doesn't care anymore with her

 

 

 

Yes and no. Yes when you're a nobody or a begginer in this industry and are at the total mercy of a record label. Definitely NOT when you are Celine Dion and has released over 35 albums and been in this industry more than 30 years

[ryba]

 

 

There absolutely can. Mariah wanted originally to have Daydream as a 6 track EP. She was told no. She wanted The Emancipation of Mimi to be a double album. Was told no. Madonna has repeatedly stated her artistry, amount of albums released and tracks on songs has been curbed and lets not even talk about Taylor Swifts debacle

 

 

There absolutely can. Mariah wanted originally to have Daydream as a 6 track EP. She was told no. She wanted The Emancipation of Mimi to be a double album. Was told no. Madonna has repeatedly stated her artistry, amount of albums released and tracks on songs has been curbed and lets not even talk about Taylor Swifts debacle

the emancipation of mimi had a rerelease so in a way it was a double album

[AdrienneM]

the emancipation of mimi had a rerelease so in a way it was a double album

 

It had the platinum version which featured a remix and a stand-alone number 1 she added to the “rerelease”, considering it was also a rerelease and a platinum version, its not a double album

[ryba]

. Edited September 5, 2019 at 04:12 PM by ryba

[ryba]

 

 

It had the platinum version which featured a remix and a stand-alone number 1 she added to the “rerelease”, considering it was also a rerelease and a platinum version, its not a double album

but did she have enough songs for a double album at all? And how do you know that she wanted this to be a double album? Did she ever talk about it? Cause I follow her too and I never heared that Edited September 5, 2019 at 04:09 PM by ryba

[sarit_celine]

But I also believe that Sony just doesn't care anymore with her

 

Yes. Most of the labels don't invest in the veterans, big bucks go for their "new big deal" artists.

[AdrienneM]

but did she have enough songs for a double album at all? And how do you know that she wanted this to be a double album? Did she ever talk about it? Cause I follow her too and I never heared that

 

She said it on one of her interviews on radio back in 2006 i believe. The album in its “Ultra Platinum” form has 19 songs. According to Jermaine Durpi she was going to have it as a 30 song double album, according to rumours it was going to be in two halfs, the Emancipation and the Exoneration... the names however are simply rumours which Mariah neved confirmed

Edited September 5, 2019 at 04:14 PM by AdrienneM

[ryba]

 

 

Yes. Most of the labels don't invest in the veterans, big bucks go for their "new big deal" artists.

but still, why would they not want to allow her to release more songs for her fans after 6 yeras of waiting? What’s the sense in that?

[Nmj]

 

 

Yes and no. Yes when you're a nobody or a begginer in this industry and are at the total mercy of a record label. Definitely NOT when you are Celine Dion and has released over 35 albums and been in this industry more than 30 years

 

Actually the label does make that decision of how many songs, often times they even choose the songs and singles.

 

However, it is true that an artist of Celine’s caliber has more power than Celine probably uses, if the label wants 12 songs and Celine says no I need these 14 songs, let’s be real after 30 something years they would give her, her way.

 

Having said that, I don’t think Celine would be demanding enough to do that.

[ryba]

 

 

She said it on one of her interviews on radio back in 2006 i believe. The album in its “Ultra Platinum” form has 19 songs. According to Jermaine Durpi she was going to have it as a 30 song double album, according to rumours it was going to be in two halfs, the Emancipation and the Exoneration... the names however are simply rumours which Mariah neved confirmed

thats interesting, thanks for sharing!

[mirage]

Still a weird process.

 

Now Céline isn't writing any of her own songs, but I can imagine if you do and someone else is telling you which songs and how many you can have on your own album must be annoying for someone being creative.

 

 

 

 

Actually the label does make that decision of how many songs, often times they even choose the songs and singles.

 

However, it is true that an artist of Celine’s caliber has more power than Celine probably uses, if the label wants 12 songs and Celine says no I need these 14 songs, let’s be real after 30 something years they would give her, her way.

 

Having said that, I don’t think Celine would be demanding enough to do that.

[sarit_celine]

but still, why would they not want to allow her to release more songs for her fans after 6 yeras of waiting? What’s the sense in that?

 

Because she has the worst label. They just don't care to give the best of her to fans.

A gifted singer with extreme potential to do big things with music, but Sony always go for the minimum.

[ryba]

Well, if they insist on 12 songs, they better give us 12 hit songs, all with single potential, and no fillers

[sarit_celine]

Well, if they insist on 12 songs, they better give us 12 hit songs, all with single potential, and no fillers

 

I think I've missed that part, the 12 songs were confirmed?

 

I wish the latter will come true though it seems after LMBTF badly fluffed the story is pretty known...

I dream about the day she will leave for another label, just like Madonna did.

Her label in no way respecting her, not after what we're seeing lately.