"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Moleque20]

USA iTunes for Mariah: #2. Ashes's pick was @ #8, if I remember correctly. Trashy sing or not, Mariah is slaying so far. Let's see if the song will keep its momentum the following days/weeks. And attacks from hardcore Celine fans coming in 3...2...1... Edited September 14, 2018 at 09:48 AM by Moleque20

[jpatdeleon09]

USA iTunes for Mariah: #2. Ashes's pick was @ #8, if I remember correctly. Trashy sing or not, Mariah is slaying so far. Let's see if the song will keep its momentum the following days/weeks. And attacks from hardcore Celine fans coming in 3...2...1...

 

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[Ajax]

Well, this delay is not necessarily a bad thing. It is clear that before, René was guiding her as her manager of course, but especially on recordings; songs choice, writers, producers, and all the artistry around it. The songs that were chosen, the collaborations, duets, were all René’s decision. Celine Dion by her own, would have not made the same ones, sing the same songs….99% of the collaborations she did was because of René’s admiration for those (very old) artists.

 

After…. 30years doing it this way. Using the same recipe, with the same team and René… Now being in charge by her own of all the decisions, especially on this matter: studio recording, totally before under René’s influence, it is normal that the girl needs some time to re define what she wants, and how she wants it. And that’s exactly what she said, if I well remember, during the press conference for the Asia Tour. Something like: It takes more times, as we want to do things a bit differently. This is it, and I can only relate to that on how hard it can be for an artist with such a trademark, habits on album, songs type and vocals, at her age, to re define by her own which sound she wants to present now and how she wants to make it.

 

Especially in a recent context where she certainly is receiving way much more material from many different styles and collaborators with all the hype that surrounded her in the past few years. This must be hard, this must be a complex process.

No one can take off this actual exceptional context from this new recording. As well as her recent health problem on the whole recording/promoting process. I still think that you all on this forum all neglected the impact on her recent health on all this.

 

So, I do not see any problem here on this recording process. I can just regret a bit a lack of communication about this. I’m just so exciting to discover how she will handle all that and her new style with her first album without René.

 

I’m still always a bit shocked reading about laziness. Some people already said that but:

• She lost her husband
  
• Had a French album 2 years ago
  
• Made 3 Tours. One of the most demanding vocal Tours she ever did in her whole career. Facts.
  
• She started back to do so many live performances on important TV show/Ceremony, like she did in her prime while stopping doing this since maybe A New Day era ?
  

The way of recording album changed drastically for such artists. Less recording but also more diversification in their business. Cloth lines, make up, other business… Every other artist of this caliber are diversifying themselves from pure “singer” products. What do you think of Rihanna doing make up and lingerie since 3 years?

 

At the end I’m still so amazed since René’s death how she got back to sing live and finally interpret songs again. The animal energy she has, which is unparalleled, is back. On TV shows, on Tours, ceremonies, and that’s where her true essence is. She stopped singing, interpreting, taking risk live, and so I would say she stopped being Celine Dion when A new day begun. And just for it, I cannot be angry, just excited about this whole new process.

[Ronny83]

USA iTunes for Mariah: #2. Ashes's pick was @ #8, if I remember correctly. Trashy sing or not, Mariah is slaying so far. Let's see if the song will keep its momentum the following days/weeks. And attacks from hardcore Celine fans coming in 3...2...1...

 

It's undeniable that Mariah always has a good impact digitally (which lacks on Céline's side). That's because she has a different fanbase, different target. That's why I'd like to see her duet with Céline. Both would have benefits from that.

[Moleque20]

 

 

It's undeniable that Mariah always has a good impact digitally (which lacks on Céline's side). That's because she has a different fanbase, different target. That's why I'd like to see her duet with Céline. Both would have benefits from that.

 

Aye, their voices could create an incredible power ballad.

[Shamrock_1982]

What do you sayyyyyyy?

 

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I say wtf are you smoking?!? Lol

 

Mariah from the 90’s maybe.

Everytime I hear one of her fans slag off Celine I just listen to the audio car crash of a performance of her attempting to sing AIWFCIY from a recent Xmas performance and it cheers me up no end and confirms that Celine is and still has “ the voice “.

[mirage]

If she will do the 90's style yes.

But not with this high pitched whisper voice.

 

I rather see a duet with Adele, think they vocally are more in line.

 

 

 

It's undeniable that Mariah always has a good impact digitally (which lacks on Céline's side). That's because she has a different fanbase, different target. That's why I'd like to see her duet with Céline. Both would have benefits from that.

[duri]

Duet with Mariah maybe 20 years ago but today I ´m not sure ... if some duet so duet with somebody who is top nowadays like Adele or Sam Smith ... and if duet with another legend than I prefer duet with Madonna (don´t think it´ ll ever happen) or Cher to Mariah.

[Shamrock_1982]

I think we need to separate singers from performers here... Madonna is a performer not a singer, just like Britney.

[Alex_Incognito]

I think we need to separate singers from performers here... Madonna is a performer not a singer, just like Britney.

That is called an opinion. Not everybody likes powerhouse divas. Apples and oranges.

 

Madonna and Britney have penned a lot of their music...Celine has penned very few in comparison. I guess that would make her a performer who dabbled twice and not a song writer if we use that logic.

Edited September 14, 2018 at 11:14 AM by Alex_Incognito

[Shamrock_1982]

The subject was about a duet not about writing songs lol.

 

Let’s put it this way... would you honestly go to see Madonna or Britney “live” cough cough... doing a show like Celine’s current Vegas show ( without dancers, props or doing dance routines ).

 

Yeah me either.

 

It’s very different going to hear a singers voice, or going to see a performer dance or put on a show.

 

If there has to be a duet I’m still for Adele & Sam.

Edited September 14, 2018 at 11:42 AM by Shamrock_1982

[manu23]

iTunes position means nothing today. Spotify and YouTube matter much more now. Xtina and Demi were also 2 or 1 in USA iTunes but that doesn’t mean that song has been more successful than Ashes. But yeah Mariah song is holding well in USA despite being crap... Aparently is not the real single, is just buzz single and the real one comes Oct 5.

[scielle]

Well, maybe that's why we're not getting this album in the fall. Threat of cannibalisation from a duelling diva.

[mirage]

 

Well, maybe that's why we're not getting this album in the fall. Threat of cannibalisation from a duelling diva.

[Taking Chances]

So I actually don't hate GTFO. I don't know why. I don't particularly like the trashy lyrics, and it's not really a very deep song, but I'd rather have this sound from Mariah than her trying to sing like she used to. I liked Mariah moderately in the 90's, but since then her music style hasn't really appealed to me. When she released "Obsessed" I kind of liked that song too for a brief moment. I knew then it was only a song that will last a second, and it's sort of the same feeling I get with GTFO. Mariah's songs doesn't have any substance, and they seem super cheap these days. Still, I like this sound more than much else she's done over the last few years.

 

Anyhoo, good for Mariah, but I'm glad Celine's sound is different. Let's just hope we get something from Celine at all. I want to be happy for Mariah, but it triggers me a little that all I do is wait for this new album and everyone else is moving along releasing stuff.....

Edited September 14, 2018 at 01:18 PM by Taking Chances

[scielle]

What's funny?

[Dion2000]

USA iTunes for Mariah: #2. Ashes's pick was @ #8, if I remember correctly. Trashy sing or not, Mariah is slaying so far. Let's see if the song will keep its momentum the following days/weeks. And attacks from hardcore Celine fans coming in 3...2...1...

 

 

But Celine was at #1 in around 29 countries

[mirage]

"Threat of cannibalisation from a duelling diva"

 

 

What's funny?

[scielle]

"Threat of cannibalisation from a duelling diva"

 

Huh? I don't get it but OK.

 

To me it makes perfect sense that Sony would want to delay Celine for fear of cannibalizing their sales with a concurrent Mariah record.

[CSCfan]

Huh? I don't get it but OK.

 

To me it makes perfect sense that Sony would want to delay Celine for fear of cannibalizing their sales with a concurrent Mariah record.

 

Nah... on the contrary, it's in a record company's best interest to get as much of their roster to be released in Oct/Nov.

Having for example 8 Sony Music artists in the Top 10 would be extraordinary ($$$$) for them. In the end it's one label against the other.

In the top 10 of this week's album chart in Holland, there 8 Universal artists and 2 from Warner. So Universal is doing some pretty good business..

Edited September 14, 2018 at 04:39 PM by CSCfan

[scielle]

Nah... on the contrary, it's in a record company's best interest to get as much of their roster to be released in Oct/Nov.

Having for example 8 SonyMusic artists in the Top 10 would be extraordinary for them. In the end it's one label against the other.

 

Beg to disagree.

By definition, cannibalization refers to a drop in the sales of one product as a result of concurrent introduction of similar product with an overlapping target customer base, thus resulting in a reduced combined market share. Would not be a good move for Sony from a sales perspective. And while many on here would disagree, their audience bases do overlap (albeit certainly not in my case!)

 

In any case, on further research it seems that this Mariah record is actually coming out on her own label, so not a Sony release. Thus my initial point is moot anyway.

[ryba]

 

 

Beg to disagree.

By definition, cannibalization refers to a drop in the sales of one product as a result of concurrent introduction of similar product with an overlapping target customer base, thus resulting in a reduced combined market share. Would not be a good move for Sony from a sales perspective. And while many on here would disagree, their audience bases do overlap (albeit certainly not in my case!)

 

In any case, on further research it seems that this Mariah record is actually coming out on her own label, so not a Sony release. Thus my initial point is moot anyway.

mariah has her own label? And since when is she back at sony? I thought she is with Island Records?

[scielle]

mariah has her own label? And since when is she back at sony? I thought she is with Island Records?

 

I don't know man. I assumed she was with Sony given the Tommy Mottola connection, but it's not like I follow her so that may have since changed. But I saw an article today saying she's got a new manager and her next record is coming out on her own label. Don't know how reliable that is and I truly don't care enough to dig in to corroborate and find out.

Edited September 14, 2018 at 05:04 PM by scielle

[ryba]

I just listened to GTFO and it’s just terrible... the current music taste is getting worse and worse... but the video is good though

[ordinary fan]

Well, this delay is not necessarily a bad thing. It is clear that before, René was guiding her as her manager of course, but especially on recordings; songs choice, writers, producers, and all the artistry around it. The songs that were chosen, the collaborations, duets, were all René’s decision. Celine Dion by her own, would have not made the same ones, sing the same songs….99% of the collaborations she did was because of René’s admiration for those (very old) artists.

 

After…. 30years doing it this way. Using the same recipe, with the same team and René… Now being in charge by her own of all the decisions, especially on this matter: studio recording, totally before under René’s influence, it is normal that the girl needs some time to re define what she wants, and how she wants it. And that’s exactly what she said, if I well remember, during the press conference for the Asia Tour. Something like: It takes more times, as we want to do things a bit differently. This is it, and I can only relate to that on how hard it can be for an artist with such a trademark, habits on album, songs type and vocals, at her age, to re define by her own which sound she wants to present now and how she wants to make it.

 

Especially in a recent context where she certainly is receiving way much more material from many different styles and collaborators with all the hype that surrounded her in the past few years. This must be hard, this must be a complex process.

No one can take off this actual exceptional context from this new recording. As well as her recent health problem on the whole recording/promoting process. I still think that you all on this forum all neglected the impact on her recent health on all this.

 

So, I do not see any problem here on this recording process. I can just regret a bit a lack of communication about this. I’m just so exciting to discover how she will handle all that and her new style with her first album without René.

 

I’m still always a bit shocked reading about laziness. Some people already said that but:

• She lost her husband
  
• Had a French album 2 years ago
  
• Made 3 Tours. One of the most demanding vocal Tours she ever did in her whole career. Facts.
  
• She started back to do so many live performances on important TV show/Ceremony, like she did in her prime while stopping doing this since maybe A New Day era ?
  

The way of recording album changed drastically for such artists. Less recording but also more diversification in their business. Cloth lines, make up, other business… Every other artist of this caliber are diversifying themselves from pure “singer” products. What do you think of Rihanna doing make up and lingerie since 3 years?

 

At the end I’m still so amazed since René’s death how she got back to sing live and finally interpret songs again. The animal energy she has, which is unparalleled, is back. On TV shows, on Tours, ceremonies, and that’s where her true essence is. She stopped singing, interpreting, taking risk live, and so I would say she stopped being Celine Dion when A new day begun. And just for it, I cannot be angry, just excited about this whole new process.

I couldn´t say it better! She was everything exept being lazy since her return in 2015! Just stop saying that she is. I´m getting mad of the waiting too, but just enjoy what she has given to us the past few years, it´s quite a lot. I´m also mad about the not releasing of the recorded shows but those things have nothing to do with celine... but the album will come for sure and on that day we will forget the long wait...

[maki_Dion-er]

Well, this delay is not necessarily a bad thing. It is clear that before, René was guiding her as her manager of course, but especially on recordings; songs choice, writers, producers, and all the artistry around it. The songs that were chosen, the collaborations, duets, were all René’s decision. Celine Dion by her own, would have not made the same ones, sing the same songs….99% of the collaborations she did was because of René’s admiration for those (very old) artists.

 

After…. 30years doing it this way. Using the same recipe, with the same team and René… Now being in charge by her own of all the decisions, especially on this matter: studio recording, totally before under René’s influence, it is normal that the girl needs some time to re define what she wants, and how she wants it.

...

 

From what I've gotten from watching some documentaries and interviews of hers she pretty much washed her hands of dealings regarding her career and was just "whatever you say Rene, whatever you say" about it. In some ways it's good (like getting MHWGO because she wanted to please Rene) but in other ways it's not that great because it could be the reason why she might be struggling now that her career is in her hands. For crying out loud Rene even appointed his replacement, she didn't get to chose him. She's even stated that when he had recently passed away she was always thinking "is this what Rene would want?", I'm glad she's passed that phase because as she said she can't go on like that forever.

 

Rene was in her life since 12/13, he shaped her career and in a way shaped who she is. He's a huge influence in her life but now he is gone. He wasn't a dictator in her life, not at all, they were a team but his absence now is a reason, imo, why we are seeing a omewhat different Celine. One that, imo, seems more free than in the past.

 

I hope she does good things in her career from now on. Just like she reinvented herself in the fashion world, perhaps she'll be able to do the same in her music career.

 

Oh and definitely prefer a duet with Adele or Lady Gaga than with Mariah. Although, it would be interesting to see, especially certain fan reaction XD

Edited September 14, 2018 at 05:56 PM by maki_Dion-er

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I don't know man. I assumed she was with Sony given the Tommy Mottola connection, but it's not like I follow her so that may have since changed. But I saw an article today saying she's got a new manager and her next record is coming out on her own label. Don't know how reliable that is and I truly don't care enough to dig in to corroborate and find out.

 

Mariah hasn’t been with Sony since 2001.

[CSchmidt]

[CSchmidt]

If the new album wasn't released this year, they could make The Collector's Series : Vol.2

 

01. Ashes

02. Si C'etait a refaire

03. Recovering

04. The Show Must Go On

05. The Reason I Go On

06. Open Arms

07. Aun Existe Amor

08. Plus qu'ailleurs

09. I Believe in You

10. Always Be Your Girl

11. Ammore Annascunnuto

12. Would I Know

13. All Because of You

14. I Have To Dream

15. Is Nothing Sacred Anymore

16. How Does a Moment Last Forever

[Davey84]

 

Mariah hasn’t been with Sony since 2001.

Until 30 January 2015 according to Wiki

 

SM Canada has also been posting that horrible single on Instagram

 

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