"Sans attendre" album - Official Topic

[TiagoFragoso05]

Perhaps you are right. We will get another edition with a pen... "Hurry to buy both versions to complete your nice set of notebook and pen"

 

I just can imagine, " Celine Dion fans don't have to wait more! A new Sans Attendre collector edition is gonna be available in June in Quebec, with a lovely Celine Dion pen ! Replacing the magic great looking notebook, but don't worry, it's gonna be on Celine Dion's boutique! " And don't miss "a unique one-night-only concert on the Plains of Abraham in Quebec City on July 27, 2013"

[Javito]

talking about perfume, that's been a while ago?

 

Don't tempt our fate, I'm sure one of the reasons why they have pushed back until autumn the new album release its not because the album is not finished, not because they needed more time to promote Sans Attendre... that's because they want to match its release with another new parfum release!!! :w00t: Stay tuned, a sampler is to be included in the "deluxe" edition as the bonus deluxed content!!

Edited April 14, 2013 at 10:18 AM by Javito

[Bruno Portugal]

«Sans Attendre - Deluxe Edition»

[Chin]

I don't see anything wrong if it's a re-release of the Deluxe Edition, because the calender is now outdated, so they replace the notebook instead

Anyway, I'm still hoping a "Collector Edition" with new materials, but not a re-release of current edition

[c4n4d4]

Looking at it now unconfirmed sources were saying a "Collector's Edition" but not her actual team. Maybe we just jumped the gun here and without actual confirmation (even though most of the stuff certain fan sites say is true) started believing this was the case, when in reality all it was was a re-released deluxe edition? I mean either way it still kinda sucks, but even still business wise it makes sense to re-release the deluxe edition with something other than the calendar now

[dj4celine]

What i'm REALLY waiting on is the special Sans Attendre versatile water bottle!!

 

http://media.musictoday.com/store/bands/1583/product_medium/CXAM35.jpg

As soon at THAT edition of the album comes out i'm SO buying!

 

I'll never forget how much we all laughed when that versatile bottle was put on sale at the boutique

 

Where is Thomas when we need some design extraordinaire for the 'Sans Attendre Limited Versatile Edition'?

[smw]

It makes sense that they wanted to ditch the calendar and replace it with something that will withstand the test of time. And I understand all changes cost money -- but it just seems logical to have included some additional bonus material if they were going to have to create a re-release.

[Xpresso]

This is probably a decision made by Sony France.

I bet that Céline has absolutely no idea about this!!

I'm sure if she's asked about the new edition including a notebook, she would say:

"Did you say notebook?" "There's a notebook with my CD?" "And what do you mean by a new edition??"

[Javito]

Well if she has no idea about this (which its probable the case as usually) she should. It's about time she knows what kind of crap Sony Music puts out. Its her name what is on the cover of this product, not her aunt Claudia

 

So to my eyes, that's absolutely no excuse, especially for an artist who is supposed to be the best female singer of all time and who should have much more control and show much more interest in what she releases than what she actually does.

[québecflower]

it seems to me that this is far more easier for fans to control their buying instincts concerning a product , why is it so important to have a collector's edition? Give more money to an artist who have far more than she needs already. It is the same phenomenon with the meet and greet thing. To pay thousands of dollars just to see someone 30 seconds, it is beyond my comprehension, and there is no justifications for it. I sure hope that Celine gives the proceeding to charity. When you know that for the majority, money is very hard to get, i don't believe in milking money even more for about the same product.

 

It is not a painting who will gain value, it is a cd . .

[Jeff Abbott]

Well if she has no idea about this (which its probable the case as usually) she should. It's about time she knows what kind of crap Sony Music puts out. Its her name what is on the cover of this product, not her aunt Claudia

 

So to my eyes, that's absolutely no excuse, especially for an artist who is supposed to be the best female singer of all time and who should have much more control and show much more interest in what she releases than what she actually does.

Well, I'm really curious what Rene has to say about this whole "lovely notebook" thing?

[Xpresso]

Javito, it's not very easy for Céline to know what every single Sony office does in every country with her music.

Sony owns the rights so they can do whatever they want and they don't need Céline to sign off on it unfortunately.

[Javito]

Javito, it's not very easy for Céline to know what every single Sony office does in every country with her music.

Sony owns the rights so they can do whatever they want and they don't need Céline to sign off on it unfortunately.

 

Hmmm it's "not very easy", really? I think that depends on the interest you show, don't you think? If she wanted to know, she would, just like René knows how many copies her albums have sold to the moment, because he is interested in knowing and Sony tells him.

 

Also, we're not talking here about the 5th single of Let's Talk About Love released only in certain countries. Come on Xpresso, we are talking about an ALBUM release, which has only been distributed in certain french countries. It's not a major release, and Sans Attendre also meant her first album release in 5 years. If Céline showed some little interest in what Sony plans to release and what not, I'm sure she would easily have a say in all this. She has sold nearly 1 million and a half copies of the album, that's enough reason for Céline to show some respect to her fans and put more care in this re-release, and for Sony to let Céline release what she wants. She's not an amateur on this

 

Sony owns the rights yes, but only limited to what has already been done, not what remains to be done or created. You picture Sony as a giant with unlimited power for doing absolutely everything with Céline, and it's not like that. As far as I know, there's no contract that includes any imaginary release or product that does not even exist, because that would be an abusive clause for starters, and the contract invalid. So if Sony planned to rerelease this album, there's nothing wrong if Céline sits down in the table with them and says "I want this and that to be included", and whatever what she wants to do. The problem is that she just doesn't.

 

Sony is not a dog who is going to bite her for voicing her opinion, but the problem here I'm afraid is precisely because of the contrary It's much more easier and convenient for Céline and René to leave all of these aspects to "their team" or the people at Sony, and look the other way

Edited April 15, 2013 at 09:02 PM by Javito

[Jeff Abbott]

Hmmm it's "not very easy", really? I think that depends on the interest you show, don't you think? If she wanted to know, she would, just like René knows how many copies her albums have sold to the moment, because he is interested in knowing and Sony tells him.

 

Also, we're not talking here about the 5th single of Let's Talk About Love released only in certain countries. Come on Xpresso, we are talking about an ALBUM release, which has only been distributed in certain french countries. It's not a major release, and Sans Attendre also meant her first album release in 5 years. If Céline showed some little interest in what Sony plans to release and what not, I'm sure she would easily have a say in all this. She has sold nearly 1 million and a half copies of the album, that's enough reason for Céline to show some respect to her fans and put more care in this re-release, and for Sony to let Céline release what she wants. She's not an amateur on this

 

Sony owns the rights yes, but only limited to what has already been done, not what remains to be done or created. You picture Sony as a giant with unlimited power for doing absolutely everything with Céline, and it's not like that. As far as I know, there's no contract that includes any imaginary release or product that does not even exist, because that would be an abusive clause for starters, and the contract invalid. So if Sony planned to rerelease this album, there's nothing wrong if Céline sits down in the table with them and says "I want this and that to be included", and whatever what she wants to do. The problem is that she just doesn't.

 

Sony is not a dog who is going to bite her for voicing her opinion, but the problem here I'm afraid is precisely because of the contrary It's much more easier and convenient for Céline and René to leave all of these aspects to "their team" or the people at Sony, and look the other way

To me, the 'funny' thing is that releasing a DVD with the recording sessions for SA requires NO additional effort from Celine, but still it would make this collector's edition much more attractive for the fans. The footage from the recording studio has already been shot, so I still don't get it why Sony is reluctant to release it.

[Celine Fan 77]

We should keep in mind that this was 95% Sony's decision. Celine's team probably just had to give the yes. And also note that this is a re-release of the Deluxe edition of the album, not a limited collector's edition like certain sources said a week ago.

 

Having that said, I think we should also keep in mind that Celine makes more decisions than we probably know. For example, she was the one who decided how the cover of the 'Taking Chances' album would look, and we know this because of a comment René made during an interview. Some people say that she was also the one who designed the cover for the 'Ultimate Box'. So she makes decisions when it comes to her image, of course, because it's HER image and how the world is going to see her.

 

I don't want to be seen as one of those fans who say yes to everything Celine does, because I'm not. This is just the way I see things.

Edited April 15, 2013 at 09:23 PM by Celine Fan 77

[Javito]

Yes to a re-release of the deluxe edition, fine. Yes to wasting the time to release a clone of the 2012 release without making any changes, and missing the chance to include some bonus contents for the fans, why? Especially considering that D'elles had these bonus contents, does she have to say yes to that to? I don't think so!

 

Carlos the problem is not that Sony has decided this rerelease and Céline has had to say "amen" to it. The problem is that Sony will have decided this rerelease alone because they don't count on Céline's opinion, but because she has never cared to say what she wants in this aspect. That's quite different, and its sad.

Edited April 15, 2013 at 09:55 PM by Javito

[Jeff Abbott]

We should keep in mind that this was 95% Sony's decision. Celine's team probably just had to give the yes. And also note that this is a re-release of the Deluxe edition of the album, not a limited collector's edition like certain sources said a week ago.

 

Having that said, I think we should also keep in mind that Celine makes more decisions than we probably know. For example, she was the one who decided how the cover of the 'Taking Chances' album would look, and we know this because of a comment René made during an interview. Some people say that she was also the one who designed the cover for the 'Ultimate Box'. So she makes decisions when it comes to her image, of course, because it's HER image and how the world is going to see her.

 

I don't want to be seen as one of those fans who say yes to everything Celine does, because I'm not. This is just the way I see things.

Either way, I still see no point in releasing exactly the same product (with the exception of a calendar being replaced with a notebook) and offering it to the fans.

[Javito]

 

Either way, I still see no point in releasing exactly the same product (with the exception of a calendar being replaced with a notebook) and offering it to the fans.

 

And that's the point. They have the chance to offer more new things, show some gratitude to the fans for the 1.300.000 copies sold including DVD footage, new photos or new songs and then have even more sales, and they just order to print the same packaging, probably the same booklet and the same disc, to include only a notebook instead of a calendar. That's pitiful.

[Timster]

This is probably a decision made by Sony France.

I bet that Céline has absolutely no idea about this!!

I'm sure if she's asked about the new edition including a notebook, she would say:

"Did you say notebook?" "There's a notebook with my CD?" "And what do you mean by a new edition??"

 

Celine doesn't know much about any of her releases. She probably just sees the cover before release, and of course she already knows that the first 3 tracks on the album will be the only singles released.

[c4n4d4]

I don't think this is as big of a deal as you all are making it out to be. This is just a re-release of the deluxe edition, we were all fine with the calendar being included (well most were) and the two additional songs, well now since its almost half way through 2013 continuing to sell the deluxe edition with a 2013 calendar would be pretty dumb, so they are replacing it with a notebook. This isn't a collector's edition of the album, its simply and updated deluxe edition. If they didn't include a dvd or booklet with the photoshoot and what not before with the deluxe edition they aren't going to do it with a re-release.

[Javito]

We were fine with the previous deluxe edition because there were 2 additional bonus songs of course, not because of the calendar!

[Jeff Abbott]

I don't think this is as big of a deal as you all are making it out to be. This is just a re-release of the deluxe edition, we were all fine with the calendar being included (well most were) and the two additional songs, well now since its almost half way through 2013 continuing to sell the deluxe edition with a 2013 calendar would be pretty dumb, so they are replacing it with a notebook. This isn't a collector's edition of the album, its simply and updated deluxe edition. If they didn't include a dvd or booklet with the photoshoot and what not before with the deluxe edition they aren't going to do it with a re-release.

Wasn't it celinedion.com that initially called the upcoming album 'the limited collector's edition of SA' in their post from 13th of April?

Edited April 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM by Jeff Abbott

[c4n4d4]

Wasn't it celinedion.com that initially called the upcoming album 'the limited collector's edition of SA' in their post from 13th of April?

No they never called it that or posted about a limited collector's edition. The 13th was the first the ever mentioned a re-release of the album, in any form. And this is exactly what they posted:

 

 

Re-Release of ‘Sans attendre – Deluxe Edition’

 

Fans in France, Belgium and Switzerland will soon be able to discover a new version of ‘Sans Attendre Deluxe Edition’ The new edition, will be released on May 13 and includes a lovely notebook (replacing the desktop calendar). The original edition is still available at The Boutique. ‘Sans attendre’ was a huge success selling more than a million copies worldwide!

[Xpresso]

Sony owns the rights yes, but only limited to what has already been done, not what remains to be done or created. You picture Sony as a giant with unlimited power for doing absolutely everything with Céline, and it's not like that. As far as I know, there's no contract that includes any imaginary release or product that does not even exist, because that would be an abusive clause for starters, and the contract invalid. So if Sony planned to rerelease this album, there's nothing wrong if Céline sits down in the table with them and says "I want this and that to be included", and whatever what she wants to do. The problem is that she just doesn't.

 

Sony is not a dog who is going to bite her for voicing her opinion, but the problem here I'm afraid is precisely because of the contrary It's much more easier and convenient for Céline and René to leave all of these aspects to "their team" or the people at Sony, and look the other way

 

Sony owns ALL THE RIGHTS. Anything that she recorded for Sans attendre is still owned by Sony even if the material wasn't released. So Sony will decide what they want to include in a new edition, not Céline. Céline might have her say but it doesn't mean they will go with what she would like.

 

And yes, Sony is a biting dog!!!

I'm not sure why you think record labels are this great big friend. Most labels are terrible to deal with and are not very flexible with their artists. And I'm talking about major labels, not small ones.

Try dealing with one and let me know how you manage. They are a pain in the a...lbum...

Edited April 17, 2013 at 05:45 AM by Xpresso

[celinefanonline]

Sony owns ALL THE RIGHTS. Anything that she recorded for Sans attendre is still owned by Sony even if the material wasn't released. So Sony will decide what they want to include in a new edition, not Céline. Céline might have her say but it doesn't mean they will go with what she would like.

 

And yes, Sony is a biting dog!!!

I'm not sure why you think record labels are this great big friend. Most labels are terrible to deal with and are not very flexible with their artists. And I'm talking about major labels, not small ones.

Try dealing with one and let me know how you manage. They are a pain in the a...lbum...

 

i agree in some way!!

and i believe there's many artists that got signed by record company and even record their debute album but at the end they didn't even get release... so yeah......

[isurrender]

Either way, I still see no point in releasing exactly the same product (with the exception of a calendar being replaced with a notebook) and offering it to the fans.

 

Of course, I would have loved a real new edition with extra contents.

 

But this one has turned out to be just another reprint of the "Deluxe edition" and not a rerelease. That's it.

 

Actually, I think they never thought of releasing a new edition , they just wanted to make the deluxe edition available again. Hope you can see the point now.

 

We can whine all day long but they never made us believe that it would be a new edition. You just can blame yourself for misunderstanding.

[LukeD]

Of course, I would have loved a real new edition with extra contents.

 

But this one has turned out to be just another reprint of the "Deluxe edition" and not a rerelease. That's it.

 

Actually, I think they never thought of releasing a new edition , they just wanted to make the deluxe edition available again. Hope you can see the point now.

 

We can whine all day long but they never made us believe that it would be a new edition. You just can blame yourself for misunderstanding.

 

True tea. I also thought this would be a new edition for those who loved the album, but turns out it was a misunderstanding. I'm ok now, less disappointed.

[DionFanAlways]

Sony owns ALL THE RIGHTS. Anything that she recorded for Sans attendre is still owned by Sony even if the material wasn't released. So Sony will decide what they want to include in a new edition, not Céline. Céline might have her say but it doesn't mean they will go with what she would like.

 

They are a pain in the a...lbum...

Yes! Sony owns Everything she does in the recording studio and anything associated with an album. I don't think she has this "power" to just say release this and that.

 

"They are a pain in the a...lbum... " That's funny

[ryba]

yes, but instead of including a notebook they could have included a dvd...

[Javito]

Sony owns ALL THE RIGHTS. Anything that she recorded for Sans attendre is still owned by Sony even if the material wasn't released. So Sony will decide what they want to include in a new edition, not Céline. Céline might have her say but it doesn't mean they will go with what she would like.

 

Actually we don't know what clauses have Céline's contract with Sony, so we don't know what Sony owns and what not. I'm sure René has been smart enough to keep a few things under his sleeve to decide so that Céline is not completeley tied at Sony's will, like you like to picture it.

 

And in fact, Sony does not own all the rights of everything she does, since they are releasing material under their own company "Productions Feeling" since years. So I'm afraid that Sony does not hold all the right to do whatever they want, fortunately