LukeD Posted March 18, 2023 at 09:26 PM Posted March 18, 2023 at 09:26 PM Rain, Tax? That’s pretty bad lolI really like the melody!😁 2 Quote
Chantemoi Posted March 21, 2023 at 01:58 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 01:58 AM Lyrically, “Rain, Tax” isn’t any worse than many of her biggest Anglophone radio hits — not to mention so-called ‘filler’ songs. In fact, that song has always been a guilty pleasure for me. It’s a crying shame we never got to see her dance around to it on stage in her typical, awkward fashion - I always pictured that vividly while listening. 5 Quote
CourageCeline Posted March 21, 2023 at 02:57 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 02:57 AM (edited) I love Rain Tax it's catchy Super Love isn't meant for Céline, maybe Taylor Swift but not Celine. To have said that, The Greatest Reward is a gem! And A New Day Has Come ballad is so much better than the one in the music video. And Sorry For Love gives me Cher vibes! Edited March 21, 2023 at 02:57 AM by CourageCeline Quote
CelinesDIVO5 Posted March 21, 2023 at 08:18 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 08:18 AM Lyrically, “Rain, Tax” isn’t any worse than many of her biggest Anglophone radio hits — not to mention so-called ‘filler’ songs. In fact, that song has always been a guilty pleasure for me. It’s a crying shame we never got to see her dance around to it on stage in her typical, awkward fashion - I always pictured that vividly while listening. I find the lyrics much more shallow than any of her other English uptempo songs. Just a bunch of jumble thrown together because they could make it rhyme. Absolutely terrible. Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
Davey84 Posted March 21, 2023 at 08:50 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 08:50 AM What's kind of shocking about Rain, Tax is that the producer, Christopher Neil, gave us these amazing songs too: (IF THERE WAS) ANY OTHER WAYIF LOVE IS OUT THE QUESTIONI REMEMBER L.A.THE LAST TO KNOWONLY ONE ROADREFUSE TO DANCERIGHT NEXT TO THE RIGHT ONEWHERE DOES MY HEART BEAT NOW And one of the co writers, Charlie Dore, also wrote Refuse To Dance! The other co-writer, Terry Britten, also wrote Tina Turner's "What's Love Got to Do with It". Let's just say this collaboration wasn't their finest hour... Quote http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/daveyh84/incognito198701_zpsaaootxh1.jpgRick, ik hou van jou voor altijd!A New Day... has come 28/29 April & 2/3 May 07Antwerpen 13 et 14 mai,Paris 24 et 25 mai, Amsterdam 2 juinet Arras 7 juillet Chances Taken!!!How Do You Keep The Music Playing? - Celine Opening Night March 15th, March 16th
DCCeline Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:04 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:04 AM Lyrically, “Rain, Tax” isn’t any worse than many of her biggest Anglophone radio hits — not to mention so-called ‘filler’ songs. In fact, that song has always been a guilty pleasure for me. It’s a crying shame we never got to see her dance around to it on stage in her typical, awkward fashion - I always pictured that vividly while listening. Yes it is lol. Rain Tax its inevitable is nothing we would say in english while casually talking. It just sounds stupid in english. Like a parody. Its catchy ill give you that but bad catchy. Its better then Super Love but in its defense it was a bonus track so even they realized that wasnt worthy of being on the standard. Quote
DCCeline Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:33 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:33 AM Lyrically, “Rain, Tax” isn’t any worse than many of her biggest Anglophone radio hits — not to mention so-called ‘filler’ songs. In fact, that song has always been a guilty pleasure for me. It’s a crying shame we never got to see her dance around to it on stage in her typical, awkward fashion - I always pictured that vividly while listening. Yes it is lol. Rain Tax its inevitable is nothing we would say in english while casually talking. It just sounds stupid in english. Like a parody. Its catchy ill give you that but bad catchy. Its better then Super Love but in its defense it was a bonus track so even they realized that wasnt worthy of being on the standard. Quote
Ukrfan Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:46 AM Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:46 AM Yes it is lol. Rain Tax its inevitable is nothing we would say in english while casually talking. It just sounds stupid in english. Like a parody. Its catchy ill give you that but bad catchy. Its better then Super Love but in its defense it was a bonus track so even they realized that wasnt worthy of being on the standard. They should have gone with "Death, tax, it's inevitable" as a reference to the famous quote by Benjamin Franklin. Quote
celinesounds Posted March 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Posted March 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Super loveRain tax Are lovely songs, they still sounds fresh after 20 years. Super love, is so cool “gime gime super love” 2 Quote #FREEJAVITO
anewdayhascome Posted March 21, 2023 at 03:10 PM Posted March 21, 2023 at 03:10 PM I LOVE Rain Tax! It's fun! 3 Quote A New Day... 10th & 11th November 2006 Taking Chances World Tour, Antwerp 13th & 14th May 2008, Kraków 28th June 2008 Celine 25th & 27th & 31st August 2013 20th, 23rd, 24th, 27th & 28th September 2016 Sans attendre Tour, Paris 1st & 5th December 2013 Encore un soir, Paris 24th, 25th, 28th, 29th June & 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 9th July 2016 Live 2017 Stockholm 17th June 2017 Lille 1st & 2nd July 2017 Paris 8th & 9th July 2017 Berlin 23rd & 24th July 2017 Live 2018 Taipei 11th & 13th July 2018 Manila 19th July 2018 Bangkok 23rd July 2018 BST Hyde Park London 5 July 2019
LukeD Posted March 21, 2023 at 05:47 PM Posted March 21, 2023 at 05:47 PM Yes it is lol. Rain Tax its inevitable is nothing we would say in english while casually talking. It just sounds stupid in english. Like a parody. According to the Urban Dictionary a ''rain tax'' is a tax placed on people living in certain counties in Maryland because water falls from the sky, and people are apparently taxed every year according to how much it rains. Quote
ryba Posted March 21, 2023 at 07:13 PM Posted March 21, 2023 at 07:13 PM Rain, tax, after lightning the thunder cracks this song is quite cool. I like Celines vocal delivery there, especially the „It had to be you“ and „what I want is you“ part at the bridge. She recorded songs that are far worse. But yeah, lyrically the tax notion is kinda weird. Quote
CelinesDIVO5 Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:24 PM Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:24 PM According to the Urban Dictionary a ''rain tax'' is a tax placed on people living in certain counties in Maryland because water falls from the sky, and people are apparently taxed every year according to how much it rains. LOL, but punctuation is important here because it’s “Rain, Tax” as two separate subjects. LOL I absolutely love that you looked this up though. Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
DCCeline Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:37 PM Posted March 21, 2023 at 11:37 PM According to the Urban Dictionary a ''rain tax'' is a tax placed on people living in certain counties in Maryland because water falls from the sky, and people are apparently taxed every year according to how much it rains. I actually live in Maryland lol Quote
LukeD Posted March 22, 2023 at 01:44 AM Posted March 22, 2023 at 01:44 AM LOL, but punctuation is important here because it’s “Rain, Tax” as two separate subjects. LOL I absolutely love that you looked this up though. Good point! I had looked it up in the past but could not remember the definition so I looked it up again 😅 Quote
LukeD Posted March 22, 2023 at 01:45 AM Posted March 22, 2023 at 01:45 AM I actually live in Maryland lol😂 Emotional connection to the song confirmed! 😝 Quote
LukeD Posted March 22, 2023 at 01:46 AM Posted March 22, 2023 at 01:46 AM Guys ANDHC surpassed 270.000.000 streams on Spotify! 🥳 1 Quote
Chantemoi Posted March 22, 2023 at 05:46 AM Posted March 22, 2023 at 05:46 AM (edited) I find the lyrics much more shallow than any of her other English uptempo songs. Just a bunch of jumble thrown together because they could make it rhyme. Absolutely terrible. Re-read those lyrics—making sure to block out the words “rain” and “tax”—and then tell me they’re more shallow than: - “When somebody loves somebody that’s the way it’s supposed to be/ Cuz you no nobody else would put up with your games, oh/ I don’t believe you, lover/ You don’t really wanna go, no” - “When you want it the most there’s no easy way out” - “Cause I’m your lady, and you are my man/ Whenever you reach for me, I’ll do all that I can” - “When you were a young boy did you have a puppy that always followed you around” - “I long for U to talk to me like U did that night in that restaurant” - “Where does my heart beat now/ Where is the sound that only echoes through the night” - etc., etc. Yes it is lol. Rain Tax its inevitable is nothing we would say in english while casually talking. It just sounds stupid in english. Like a parody. Most of her lyrics are not phrases we’d say in everyday English.. (see above examples) I think the most valid critique about this song (made a few posts earlier) is that the phrase should’ve been “Death, tax… it’s inevitable”, but how many songs do we know that are so blunt to use the word “death”? None. Of course, none say “tax” either… maybe they should have abandoned the whole “death/rain/tax” metaphor altogether, but I think the reference point was made and it works for me - the rest of the song is fantastic Edited March 22, 2023 at 05:46 AM by Chantemoi 1 Quote
Állex Sodi Posted March 22, 2023 at 04:18 PM Posted March 22, 2023 at 04:18 PM I enjoy ‘Rain, Tax’ also, it’s a guilty pleasure! Mostly because when I heard it the first time, I was only 12yo, I didn’t speak english and even if I did I wouldn’t have mind the silly lyrics (I was, after all, a child). I just loved the melodies and the way it sounds. I remember being very excited about that song cause it sounded like the music my generation was listening to it at that time. Celine was always sell around here target to an older audience, so being a fan of hers was a pretty lonely hobby as no friends of mine enjoyed her music, besides obviously the big hits everybody knew. I showed this song to everyone to prove Celine was indeed very cool, most of them liked the song. Anyway, years later I learned the English language, was less than impressed by the lyrics, but then again is pop music. It’s supposed to have superficial lyrics that can relate with a maximum number of people possible, and if we start judging by this parameters, most of Celine’s English catalogue would turn out pretty bad! 3 Quote
rodrigofreitas Posted March 22, 2023 at 05:27 PM Posted March 22, 2023 at 05:27 PM (edited) I enjoy 'Rain, Tax' also, it's a guilty pleasure! Mostly because when I heard it the first time, I was only 12yo, I didn't speak english and even if I did I wouldn't have mind the silly lyrics (I was, after all, a child). I just loved the melodies and the way it sounds. I remember being very excited about that song cause it sounded like the music my generation was listening to it at that time. Celine was always sell around here target to an older audience, so being a fan of hers was a pretty lonely hobby as no friends of mine enjoyed her music, besides obviously the big hits everybody knew. I showed this song to everyone to prove Celine was indeed very cool, most of them liked the song. Anyway, years later I learned the English language, was less than impressed by the lyrics, but then again is pop music. It's supposed to have superficial lyrics that can relate with a maximum number of people possible, and if we start judging by this parameters, most of Celine's English catalogue would turn out pretty bad! I remember when my English Teacher said: Céline want to say with this song, that The love for someone is inevitable, like the rain that fall in your head, like the tax that we have to pay. We don't get to scape. Edited March 22, 2023 at 05:28 PM by rodrigofreitas 4 Quote
LukeD Posted April 20, 2023 at 05:57 AM Posted April 20, 2023 at 05:57 AM (edited) Despite having a bigger emotional connection with LTAL, I have reached the conclusion that ANDHC is her best English album. I do not think there is a single bad song in it. From a scale of 0 to 10 where 5 is average, and 10 is excellent this is my take on the songs: 01.I'm Alive 09/10 02.Right In Front Of You 08/10 03.Have You Ever Been In Love 08/10 04.Rain-Tax (It Is Inevitable) 07/10 05.A New Day Has Come (Radio Remix) 10/10 06.Ten Days 07/10 07.Goodbye (The Saddest Word) 08/10 08.Prayer 08/10 09.I Surrender 10/10 10.At Last 05/10 11.Super Love 06/10 12.Sorry For Love 08/10 13.Aun Existe Amor 10/10 14.The Greatest Reward 10/10 15.When The Wrong One Loves You Right 10/10 16.A New Day Has Come 10/10 17.Nature Boy 08/10 These are not just good individual songs, but all together they create themes that run throughout the record. The result is a concept album that sounds both youthful and mature. Edited April 20, 2023 at 05:59 AM by LukeD 5 Quote
Chantemoi Posted April 20, 2023 at 07:06 AM Posted April 20, 2023 at 07:06 AM I can’t stand what she did to At Last. The arrangement is cheap and dated. While her vocals aren’t bad, the delivery is a little heavy-handed for my taste… the original version of that song is so highly revered, you can’t just go around singing it karaoke style and get away with it. And yet… IMHO, Prayer is the worst song on the album. It’s like being trapped inside a Thomas Kinkade painting for 5 & 1/2 minutes… In fact, that reminds me of something a critic from The A.V. Club wrote about him once: “To his detractors, he represents the triumph of sub-mediocrity and the commercialization and homogenization of painting [...] perhaps no other painter has been as shameless or as successful at transforming himself into a corporation as Kinkade.” He also referred to him as “more of a ‘mall artist’ or a ‘chocolate box artist’ than as a merited painter.” That could have been a word-for-word critique of Céline at that time if you swapped out “painting” for “singing about love”. And while the rest of the album was branching out and experimenting with new themes -trying desperately to get away from that criticism- Prayer sounds like a bunch of Hallmark greeting cards strung together and set to music. Musically, her vocals and the orchestra is great, but the melody is awkward - like it doesn’t know where it’s going. For me, it’s up there with Always Be Your Girl as one of her weakest, cringiest ballads - especially when compared to high caliber songs like I Surrender and ANDHC on the same album. That said, even if those 2 songs were cut - and not replaced with anything - it’s still a bit bloated as an “concept” album. But what’s interesting about ANDHC and OH : you can add all the songs to a playlist and rearrange them however you like and they’re all consistent. 1 Quote
DCCeline Posted April 20, 2023 at 12:59 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 12:59 PM Wow I love her cover of At Last. Dont care for the original. Prayer, Rain Tax, Super Love and a couple of the songs at the end could be cut. They are not bad songs but as you said its a "bloated" album. Though so are all her English albums from FIY onward 1 Quote
CelinesDIVO5 Posted April 20, 2023 at 03:41 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 03:41 PM (edited) ANDHC as a whole for me just didn’t age well. It’s very much of its time. I only listen to a few songs on a consistent basis. The rest is just “meh” to me. My favorites: I’m AliveANDHC (both versions)Sorry For LoveI SurrenderThe Greatest Reward I despise her version of “At Last.” They made no effort to make it stand the test of time. WTWOLYR, it’s okay to me…fun every once in awhile. But I never repeat the track for a second listen. Prayer, I actually think is a very beautiful song. I think it’s especially appropriate during a time where so many children are being harmed and killed here in the US. The rest of the album? Eh. Edited April 20, 2023 at 03:41 PM by CelinesDIVO5 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
Nmj Posted April 20, 2023 at 03:49 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 03:49 PM ANDHC as a whole for me just didn’t age well. It’s very much of its time. I only listen to a few songs on a consistent basis. The rest is just “meh” to me. My favorites: I’m AliveANDHC (both versions)Sorry For LoveI SurrenderThe Greatest Reward I despise her version of “At Last.” They made no effort to make it stand the test of time. WTWOLYR, it’s okay to me…fun every once in awhile. But I never repeat the track for a second listen. Prayer, I actually think is a very beautiful song. I think it’s especially appropriate during a time where so many children are being harmed and killed here in the US. The rest of the album? Eh. I think ANDHC album is more current now in 2023 than TC or LMBTL were even the year they were released. 2 Quote
Davey84 Posted April 20, 2023 at 03:50 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 03:50 PM ANDHC as a whole for me just didn't age well. It's very much of its time. I only listen to a few songs on a consistent basis. The rest is just "meh" to me. The rest of the album? Eh. Even Right In Front Of You? Cos it was called the TTWII of that album at the time! I enjoy every song on this album! Even Rain Tax I guess the one I could have lived without is Aun Existe Amor, a new Spanish song would have been better. 2 Quote http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/daveyh84/incognito198701_zpsaaootxh1.jpgRick, ik hou van jou voor altijd!A New Day... has come 28/29 April & 2/3 May 07Antwerpen 13 et 14 mai,Paris 24 et 25 mai, Amsterdam 2 juinet Arras 7 juillet Chances Taken!!!How Do You Keep The Music Playing? - Celine Opening Night March 15th, March 16th
smw Posted April 20, 2023 at 04:00 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 04:00 PM I think ANDHC remains one of her strongest English albums. 3 Quote
CelinesDIVO5 Posted April 20, 2023 at 04:44 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 04:44 PM Even Right In Front Of You? Cos it was called the TTWII of that album at the time! I enjoy every song on this album! Even Rain Tax I guess the one I could have lived without is Aun Existe Amor, a new Spanish song would have been better. The fake violins in RIFOY make my head spin. 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
CelinesDIVO5 Posted April 20, 2023 at 04:45 PM Posted April 20, 2023 at 04:45 PM I think ANDHC album is more current now in 2023 than TC or LMBTL were even the year they were released. I think it sounds very 2002. 2 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
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