The gay issues thread

[Celine's Wife]

I don't like to get involved in the "pride" stuff. I think a lot of it is like they're trying to get attention and to make some kinda point, and it's great to be open and proud of it... but it doesn't exactly reflect well

[Célinefull]

Yeah, that is what I was saying!

[mazceline]

la la la la la bar bar black sheep

[Célinefull]

have you had any 'wool' ?

[mazceline]

yes sir 3 bags full one for you, master one for beautiful patty, and one for sexy cathy who lives down the lane...........

[Célinefull]

you are barking, you know that?

[Adam868]

Well I am conservative, even though it seems like basically no one else here is. And I'm sorry celinefull, but I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and you should respect mine.

[mazceline]

Well I am conservative, even though it seems like basically no one else here is.  And I'm sorry celinefull, but I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and you should respect mine.

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yes well your only a baby get in the real world then your views are so sure to change

[Célinefull]

Well I am conservative, even though it seems like basically no one else here is.  And I'm sorry celinefull, but I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and you should respect mine.

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Me disagreeing is disrespecting your opinion?

[mazceline]

a topic that no one will ever agree on im a fraid

[Célinefull]

Yeah but what he said was just totally f*cking stupid! He said "I respect your opinion, you should respect mine" could someone please point out to me the disrespect?? It's called conversation buddy.

[mazceline]

o k

moving on has anyone ever been to this kind of parade?

[Adam868]

F***ing stupid? Way to be mature.

[mazceline]

come on guys,i said no one would agree with anyone else in this topic, everyone feels completey different, like if some on straight answers everyone is like how would you know, why dont we agree to disagree. please

[Adam868]

mazceline, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I'm just outnumbered 85050505 to 1 basically that's all. I simply came in here saying I was conservative and that I don't agree with gay marriage, and all I said is that I respect the opinions here and everyone should respect mine too. And then I get "What he said was totally F***ing stupid"?

 

Excuse me for having an opinion.

[mazceline]

chill out mate your showing your age now

[Adam868]

How am I showing my age? What the heck?

[mazceline]

Im not arguing, but you wrote that post perfect and threw your teddy in at the end,

 

 

Your opinion is valid and right, in your eyes Damiens are right too, who said we all have to agree, move on now mate

[VanMerlin]

Adam, you know this is a touchy subject. I actually admire you for coming in and speaking your mind. I'd really like to talk to you about this too, to get the perspective of the Conservative side from one member. Why is it you disagree? Why are you conservative...what made you choose that political stance? Are you opposed to homosexuality or simply the word 'marriage' defining a union between two people of the same gender? I think I'd like to learn from you, if that's okay. I can't say I'll ever agree with you, but I'd like to know what your Conservative side is all about and get to the heart of it and understand.

[celinedionsfan]

I do respect your opinion, Adam ... but as a gay woman who recently lost a partner and I can tell you, first hand, why the marriage issue matters ... I could not make the decsions for my partner because we never signed designated health care surrogate forms ... something married couples never have to worry about ... were I her legal spouse, I would have certainly had that right ... but her family did and I was quite fortunate that they respected my place in her life and allowed me to be part of the decision-making process. But they did not have to do so ... they could have shut me out completely because I had no legal standing ... They allowed me to make all the decsions about her "final arrangemnets" but they could have also left me out of that and I could not have done anything about it ... you see, Adam, this issue is not just about two people of the same sex getting married ... it's also about the hospital decisions, pensions, etc ... Edited June 26, 2006 at 04:21 PM by celinedionsfan

[mazceline]

and i think all that obove said, is the reason why marraige is about 2people in love nothing else nothing at all

[Adam868]

First of all, celinedionsfan, I am sorry to hear about the loss of your partner, that must have been a hard pain to go through. You have my sincere condolences.

 

Secondly, Van Merlin...now this is what I call a civilized debate and or disagreement, which is a good thing. You would like to hear why I am conservative and such, which I will be glad to tell you.

 

I recently took a political party test and came out with 3 times as many Conservative answers as Liberal answers. And I am a conservative guy...I did my graduation project for high school by spending over 100 hours and making over 7,000 phone calls in support for President Bush during the 2004 election. I am also the president in my high school of the Young Republicans club, and would like to study political science in college as my major, so I do have somewhat of an idea of what I'm talking about.

 

Honestly, gay marriage is not my strongpoint of issues, I mean that it's not the issue I am most conservative about. I am most conservative on the War in Iraq and in support of President Bush. I am against abortion, for faith based initiatives, for oil drilling in Alaska, for school prayer, for the death penalty, against affirmative action, and against gay marriage (all conservative).

 

But on the liberal side, I am for welfare and for gun control, and against school uniforms.

 

But anyway, back to gay marriage. Like I said it's not my strongpoint...but I do believe that a marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. And it says that in the Bible (I do believe in God but am not a big religious person). I believe homosexuality isn't natural and for instance you can't really produce children, it makes problems for the child if you adopt to have 2 fathers or 2 mothers.

 

Thank you for listening.

[celinedionsfan]

Thank you for your kind words regarding the loss of my partner, Adam ... as for homosexuality not being "normal" perhaps that is not a topic I should discuss ... Edited June 26, 2006 at 04:39 PM by celinedionsfan

[VanMerlin]

Thanks, Adam. I appreciate your candor.

 

Now, you say homosexuality isn't natural...would you be surprised to know that many animals in the wild have been studied and documented having homosexual liasons? Would you consider that natural or not?

 

I've always wanted to ask someone with your leanings...do you think God creates people the way they are? Do you think homosexuals are God's creation, or that they "choose" to be homosexual? I know "God said it's wrong" but, is it the belief in the Conservative leaning that homosexuals choose to be deviant? I've always wondered about this argument because there are so many ways of looking at it. One would think that, if God creates everyone and everything, he creates gay people too...but why would he create gay people unless he loved and accepted them? I'm wondering what the general Conservative stance is on that.

 

Have you seen any true scientific documentation that proves that homosexual parents are detrimental to their children? I suppose if the stance is that children will grow up to be homosexual because their parents are...that one would assume homosexuals are 'created by themselves and others' or 'confused'. Hmm...

 

I'm sorry if it seems that I'm picking your brain, but I don't know many Conservatives in my area and I'd like to understand you all better, so I be better equipped to discuss the issues in the future.

Edited June 26, 2006 at 04:50 PM by VanMerlin

[Adam868]

Van Merlin,

No problem haha you can pick at my brain all you want to.

 

But first of all I was thinking about making a political discussion thread so we can discuss more then just gay marriage, would you think this is a good idea?

 

Anyway, back to what you were asking. I honestly am not sure what the conservative republican way of thinking on if gay's are born gay or choose to be gay.

 

But I am not fully sure on this. What is your opinion, born gay or choose? Because it seems that nowadays more than any other time people are having gay rights protests and parades and gatherings, and it seems that there are more gay people then ever that I've seen. This to me would signify that some people are choosing to become gay maybe to "discover or try it". I don't know like I said really.

 

 

Also, no I have not seen scientific documentation, you may have mis understood me. What I mean is that a child growing up with 2 fathers or 2 mothers instead of 1 father and 1 mother doesn't physically cause problems, but mentally. Growing up with a mother and a father is part of life in my opinion.

Edited June 26, 2006 at 04:55 PM by Adam868

[VanMerlin]

I'm not sure another thread would be good...things become very quickly enflamed on a board and it could get out of control. We did have somewhat of an abortion thread at one point and this thread, but usually religion and politics are touchy, touchy, touchy.

 

There have been homosexuals since the beginning of time but I think there "seems" to be more now because there is more acceptance than any other time in history. Not too long ago, homosexuality was against the law and punishable by many means...which of course would scare so many into hiding. With more acceptance and more ability to be open about it, homosexuals are less afraid to be heard and seen, and so people would think that there are more than ever. People would think, "they're coming out of the woodwork!!" but thats only because now they can do so without having to worry about being beaten and killed (depending on the country, of course). Homosexuals have always been on this earth...we just didn't allow them to be who they are, forcing them to keep themselves secret. It's amazing to realize how very many people were homosexuals and we didn't know it...celebrities, people of history and such.

 

Anyway, Adam, I just want to thank you for your open opinions. I appreciate the honesty.

[Adam868]

Thank you also Van Merlin for being kind with your opinions.

 

It's very interesting that half of the country is divided on this issue, as well as other issues including abortion and the war.

 

That's what makes our country so great.

[mazceline]

well i think i was born gay, god chose that for me because why at a very young age was i attracted to girls, when i did not know gay people existed

[Célinefull]

mazceline, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.  I'm just outnumbered 85050505 to 1 basically that's all.  I simply came in here saying I was conservative and that I don't agree with gay marriage, and all I said is that I respect the opinions here and everyone should respect mine too.  And then I get "What he said was totally F***ing stupid"?

 

Excuse me for having an opinion.

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Can you please point out to me, where in the post, I'd spoken to you before? Had I? Because you posted "Respect my opinion" and we'd never spoken before...it just seemed like something really inflamitory thing to say unprovoked, that is; implying that I am a disrespectful person without actually giving me a chance to be respectful/disrespectful, because your post wasn't directed at everyone, it was directed at me, and I don't understand why, and it hurt my feelings. If I had been disrespectful before, please point it out so I can see what I said.

 

Okay, I'm pretty sure you only posted for the first time on the other page, and I just cannot see where I warrented the 'disrespectful' comment? All I did was reply to your posts.

 

Having said that, I'm glad I said your post was f*cking stupid, cause we got some good debate in this thread again!

Edited June 28, 2006 at 03:27 AM by Célinefull

[mazceline]

amen brother.