The gay issues thread

[babymonkey]

Being "ashamed" of something assumes that it is wrong. I don't think gay people are weird, or wrong, or sick, or anything like that. I just don't see what they have to be proud of. They haven't achieved anything by being gay... they haven't furthered the cause.

 

If on the other hand someone actively helped in establishing rights for gay people, then thye could be legitimately proud of something. But because nothing has been achieved by just being gay I can't see where the pride comes into it.

 

Lets use an example again. I am 22 years old, a white male, heterosexual, of above average intelligence, with good sporting ability.... am I proud of myself because of any of that? Nope. Why not? Because that is the way I was born.

 

What I am proud of is that I am in a happy relationship that has taken a lot of work to develop. That I have competed at the highest level in several sports, not just because I was good at them but because I worked bloody hard to get there. I'm proud that I've got a good job, that pays well, that allows me to live the life that I want.

 

I have been to several gay pride events with several gay friends and completely support equal rights for gay people but I just don't get the "pride" thing

[mazceline]

you might as you grow older, im so happy you can marry who ever you please now....

 

 

i may even marry a goat

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baa!

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mmm are you gonna be my sheep wife

[becomplete]

It's not necessarily meant to be proud of achievements only, but also not to be ashamed of being gay just because the society tells to do so. In my opinion a gay man should be proud to be gay instead to be ashamed of it.

[patroclo88]

It's not necessarily meant to be proud of achievements only, but also not to be ashamed of being gay just because the society tells to do so. In my opinion a gay man should be proud to be gay instead to be ashamed of it.

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[babymonkey]

proud Audio pronunciation of "proud" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (proud)

adj. proud·er, proud·est

 

1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth: proud of one's child; proud to serve one's country.

2. Occasioning or being a reason for pride: “On January 1, 1900, Americans and Europeans greeted the twentieth century in the proud and certain belief that the next hundred years would make all things possible” (W. Bruce Lincoln).

3. Feeling or showing justifiable self-respect.

4. Filled with or showing excessive self-esteem.

5. Of great dignity; honored: a proud name.

6. Majestic; magnificent: proud alpine peaks.

7. Spirited. Used of an animal: proud steeds.

 

The 2 highlighted there would be the most likely interpretation of "pride" in "gay pride". Do gay people measure their self worth on the homosexuality? This would seem to imply that they see themselves as something better than people of a heterosexual nature. Is this true? Are we lesser human beings because we fancy the opposite sex?

 

In what was is being gay, justifying one's self respect? There have been absolutely horrendously violent and despicable gay people.... should they be proud of themselves because they are gay? One should be proud of one's achievements. Things they have worked for. Things they have earned, not what was given to them at birth. And it makes no sense to be proud of something that doesn't elevate your status in the slightest.

 

Let me repeat, I have no problem with gay people. In fact most who I have come across are fantastic people. I have attended gay pride events in support of gay rights but it is just this issue of the "pride" that I have a problem with. I don't see it's validity

[mazceline]

End of the day we all are what we are , and we are all proud of who we are, be it gay, black, intelegent (which i aint), talented we are all proud being gay aint no different so i say im gay and proud ok

[paradox]

viva la mazceline

 

mazceline for president

[babymonkey]

Still don't get what people have to be prud of... but I'm willing to drop it!

[Tim]

I am gay... have known it for yeeeeeeears....

 

Even long before I knew what the term "gay" meant, I knew that I liked guys more than girls. I went through a lot of stages in life about it too. First was the "I'm different from other's, but oh well" stage in grade school. Then the sexual attraction to other guys came and I told myself "it's just a phase, you'll grow out of it and like girls soon"... but when that didn't go away, I went through a denial phase where I pretended (in public) to like girls.

 

I remember in high school there was this girl that liked me. She and I would hang out during lunch all the time and be very close. Her advances towards me didn't go anywhere, and she always got mad at me when I didn't reciprocate. I eventually had to distance myself from her because I couldn't give her what she wanted.

 

That lead to my next phase... hatred of myself. I couldn't stand the fact that I was gay. I didn't have any gay friends (or at least none that I knew of at the time). I couldn't "be myself" and show my attraction towards the same sex without fear of being beaten up or suspended from school.

 

After I graduated high school, I had already accepted that I was gay and it wasn't going to change. Since then, I've met (primarily online) other guys and girls who are gay/lesbian and I have found some awesome friends in them. To that end, I don't hate myself for being gay anymore. On the contrary, I am proud to be who I am, because I'm not being someone else... I'm me, and I'm unique. The world is filled with diversity, and I'm proud to be included in that diversity.

 

So I'm proud to be gay. Other's are proud to be straight. To each their own....

[paradox]

I am gay too

[mazceline]

we can be gay together doomy

[paradox]

again viva la mazceline

[Macaronie]

I'm scared of you all, gays Edited August 15, 2006 at 12:31 PM by Jeroen

[paradox]

why, becouse we 'll burn in hell?

[Obst]

I think God reserved a special room for good gays in Heaven, don't worry!

[Macaronie]

Yeah a Pink room

[paradox]

damn guys you make my day

 

I love this forum

Edited August 15, 2006 at 01:30 PM by doomqueen

[kathyc25]

you might as you grow older, im so happy you can marry who ever you please now....

 

 

i may even marry a goat

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baa!

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mmm are you gonna be my sheep wife

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No, I`m not short enough

[Obst]

who says that?

[mazceline]

size doesnt matter

[celinedionsfan]

size doesnt matter

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Oh the places I could go with this ... but I won't ...

[paradox]

size doesnt matter

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[Lawna]

In my class there're 3 gays and they're really really nice. They're sweet and they could scream more scary than girls. But I don't understand why handsome boys always turn into gays? All 3 of them are really cute!

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me too! this a question to all the ladies out there. do you find yourself actually falling for gay guys knowing you cannot have em?

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Yes! All the time! I went to a gay bar for my friends b-day and got so drunk, that I was all mesmerized by this gay dude who kissed my hand...oh my goodness! I was head over heels for him!! lol...until I sobered up

Edited August 15, 2006 at 05:33 PM by Lawna

[Lawna]

Well I am conservative, even though it seems like basically no one else here is.  And I'm sorry celinefull, but I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and you should respect mine.

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I am Conservatin too But I never let the things I believe in come between me and what my friends believe in. I try to see the people inside for who they really are. So I have no problem if someone wants to be homosexual or heterosexual. Or if the want to be Christian or Catholic, or blah blah blah. Just so long as they don't try to tell me I'm wrong for what I believe. I love all my gay friends and I respect them for what they believe and they respect me for what I believe. And the worst thing a person can do is bash another person for their opinions, whether your are conservative or liberal, we are all human.

 

* Oh yeah...i think I got bashed on another Celine forum for saying I was a Conservative! What a sad thing, to say how you feel and be dogged for it

Edited August 15, 2006 at 05:48 PM by Lawna

[patroclo88]

I am gay... have known it for yeeeeeeears....

 

Even long before I knew what the term "gay" meant, I knew that I liked guys more than girls. I went through a lot of stages in life about it too. First was the "I'm different from other's, but oh well" stage in grade school. Then the sexual attraction to other guys came and I told myself "it's just a phase, you'll grow out of it and like girls soon"... but when that didn't go away, I went through a denial phase where I pretended (in public) to like girls.

 

I remember in high school there was this girl that liked me. She and I would hang out during lunch all the time and be very close. Her advances towards me didn't go anywhere, and she always got mad at me when I didn't reciprocate. I eventually had to distance myself from her because I couldn't give her what she wanted.

 

That lead to my next phase... hatred of myself. I couldn't stand the fact that I was gay. I didn't have any gay friends (or at least none that I knew of at the time). I couldn't "be myself" and show my attraction towards the same sex without fear of being beaten up or suspended from school.

 

After I graduated high school, I had already accepted that I was gay and it wasn't going to change. Since then, I've met (primarily online) other guys and girls who are gay/lesbian and I have found some awesome friends in them. To that end, I don't hate myself for being gay anymore. On the contrary, I am proud to be who I am, because I'm not being someone else... I'm me, and I'm unique. The world is filled with diversity, and I'm proud to be included in that diversity.

 

So I'm proud to be gay. Other's are proud to be straight. To each their own....

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I almost cried...it is a very touching story...anyway welcome tim...

Edited August 16, 2006 at 09:31 AM by patroclo88

[catwomanrrr]

you might as you grow older, im so happy you can marry who ever you please now....

 

 

i may even marry a goat

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baa!

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mmm are you gonna be my sheep wife

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No, I`m not short enough

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...and not hairy enough either!

[paradox]

Damn, two female friends told me they fall in love in me

I cant tell them that i'm gay, grrr i hate this life

[patroclo88]

Oh Gosh!But don't worry...you can tell them that you want to remain friends...

[Macaronie]

I am gay... have known it for yeeeeeeears....

 

Even long before I knew what the term "gay" meant, I knew that I liked guys more than girls. I went through a lot of stages in life about it too. First was the "I'm different from other's, but oh well" stage in grade school. Then the sexual attraction to other guys came and I told myself "it's just a phase, you'll grow out of it and like girls soon"... but when that didn't go away, I went through a denial phase where I pretended (in public) to like girls.

 

I remember in high school there was this girl that liked me. She and I would hang out during lunch all the time and be very close. Her advances towards me didn't go anywhere, and she always got mad at me when I didn't reciprocate. I eventually had to distance myself from her because I couldn't give her what she wanted.

 

That lead to my next phase... hatred of myself. I couldn't stand the fact that I was gay. I didn't have any gay friends (or at least none that I knew of at the time). I couldn't "be myself" and show my attraction towards the same sex without fear of being beaten up or suspended from school.

 

After I graduated high school, I had already accepted that I was gay and it wasn't going to change. Since then, I've met (primarily online) other guys and girls who are gay/lesbian and I have found some awesome friends in them. To that end, I don't hate myself for being gay anymore. On the contrary, I am proud to be who I am, because I'm not being someone else... I'm me, and I'm unique. The world is filled with diversity, and I'm proud to be included in that diversity.

 

So I'm proud to be gay. Other's are proud to be straight. To each their own....

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I love my Timmi Gay Boi!!

[paradox]

Oh Gosh!But don't worry...you can tell them that you want to remain friends...

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Thx, I hope they 'll understand