New Las Vegas residency show!

[AdrienneM]

For me, it’s always been wildly clear that outside of her family and close personal friends, anyone she’s ever associated with in the entertainment industry is nothing more than an acquaintance who she sends flowers, cards and the occasional message to, and receives the same in return. I think for a lot of people it’s nice to play up because of who she is, her name and the fact she can be associated with them… but I just don’t see her regularly talking to 99% of the people who claim to talk to her.

[Chantemoi]

what would be the point of doing that? Do you mean that in such case she could perform less but keep her full check?

 

“About a year after Angélil’s death and three years after he retired as Dion’s manager, Dion’s finances were audited by accounting firm Deloitte & Touche, and the firm flagged the commission going to Prinz as “exorbitant.” Prinz was making minimums of $7,500 per Vegas show and $32,250 per touring date at the time, while Dion makes about $500,000 per Las Vegas residency performance and $1,075,000 per touring show...

 

While Prinz was able to aid Dion in securing concerts and residency performances through 2026, Dion argued that his 1.5-3% commission was excessive…

 

Prinz refused to accept a reduction in commission, so Dion fired him. Prinz then filed a petition with the California Labor Commission, the state agency designated to settle artist-agent disputes…”

 

https://uinterview.com/news/celine-dion-loses-13-million-lawsuit-against-former-agent-rob-prinz/amp/

 

In 2020, she lost the case and has to continue paying him for all future performances through 2026…

 

Surely there’s a clause in her contract that exempts her from having to perform if she has vocal issues or medical problems, but does it stipulate how long that can last?

 

I was being facetious suggesting she’ll wait another 3 years before performing again, but I do wonder if she’s stalling as long as possible.

 

Edited September 19, 2022 at 02:22 PM by Chantemoi

[ryba]

 

 

“About a year after Angélil’s death and three years after he retired as Dion’s manager, Dion’s finances were audited by accounting firm Deloitte & Touche, and the firm flagged the commission going to Prinz as “exorbitant.” Prinz was making minimums of $7,500 per Vegas show and $32,250 per touring date at the time, while Dion makes about $500,000 per Las Vegas residency performance and $1,075,000 per touring show...

 

While Prinz was able to aid Dion in securing concerts and residency performances through 2026, Dion argued that his 1.5-3% commission was excessive…

 

Prinz refused to accept a reduction in commission, so Dion fired him. Prinz then filed a petition with the California Labor Commission, the state agency designated to settle artist-agent disputes…”

 

https://uinterview.com/news/celine-dion-loses-13-million-lawsuit-against-former-agent-rob-prinz/amp/

 

In 2020, she lost the case and has to continue paying him for all future performances through 2026…

 

Surely there’s a clause in her contract that exempts her from having to perform if she has vocal issues or medical problems, but does it stipulate how long that can last?

 

I was being facetious suggesting she’ll wait another 3 years before performing again, but I do wonder if she’s stalling as long as possible.

that is a really interesting point! But haven’t they eventually reached an agreement with Prinz after she lost the case? Edited September 19, 2022 at 04:14 PM by ryba

[maki_Dion-er]

You're suggesting that Celine is making up a serious illness though. I doubt Resorts World and AEG would just take her word and accept such a loss of money without requiring medical proof that she is this sick. And if she's exaggerating her illness then that kind of suggests she has doctors lying for her.

 

Couldn't she face serious consequences if this were the case and it's found out? All to not pay some guy. Also, wasn't it stated that the law suit reached a settlement after she decided to fight the decision by the California Labor Commission.

Besides she'll just have to make up those dates, they don't just get erased or forgiven. Unless there was some kind of illness clause in the original contract?

 

 

I know it's hard to accept but maybe she is just sick. Perhaps it's not super dire but for a performer on Celine's level it is enough to keep her off stage.

 

 

 

“About a year after Angélil’s death and three years after he retired as Dion’s manager, Dion’s finances were audited by accounting firm Deloitte & Touche, and the firm flagged the commission going to Prinz as “exorbitant.” Prinz was making minimums of $7,500 per Vegas show and $32,250 per touring date at the time, while Dion makes about $500,000 per Las Vegas residency performance and $1,075,000 per touring show...

 

While Prinz was able to aid Dion in securing concerts and residency performances through 2026, Dion argued that his 1.5-3% commission was excessive…

 

Prinz refused to accept a reduction in commission, so Dion fired him. Prinz then filed a petition with the California Labor Commission, the state agency designated to settle artist-agent disputes…”

 

https://uinterview.com/news/celine-dion-loses-13-million-lawsuit-against-former-agent-rob-prinz/amp/

 

In 2020, she lost the case and has to continue paying him for all future performances through 2026…

 

Surely there’s a clause in her contract that exempts her from having to perform if she has vocal issues or medical problems, but does it stipulate how long that can last?

 

I was being facetious suggesting she’ll wait another 3 years before performing again, but I do wonder if she’s stalling as long as possible.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

How have fans been able to be understanding when they didn’t know the situation?!? They have been kept in the dark this whole time.

 

Kev x

 

Well, we all know that she’s sick and they made a video Céline saying she’s sick and saying sorry to her fans. I think that’s enough yet some still makes assumptions. And now michael said something about what Céline was talking about months ago. With this I think some will still make bad assumptions about her. Like it’s not real and all.

 

We fans just needs to wait. When the time comes. Welcome her with cheer

Edited September 19, 2022 at 06:47 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Chantemoi]

that is a really interesting point! But haven’t they eventually reached an agreement with Prinz after she lost the case?

 

If you read the article, all we know is that she’s been ordered to continue paying him the percentage agreed upon in the original contract until 2026 when it expires. That was calculated at $13 million in 2020, when the pandemic was peaking, so my questionna are whether by postponing her return if she has managed to avoid paying that sum by half, and is it plausible that she would do that intentionally?

 

We will never know for sure, but I think it’s relevant to the discussion about her return and whether her health condition is the only reason for her delayed return. If she cancelled the tour/residency outright, Prinz might argue that she’s clearly avoiding her contractual obligations, whereas if she keeps up the appearance of resuming as scheduled, she might buy some more time until she’s released from her contract.

 

I realize a lot of people’s time, livelihood, money, and personal lives are involved here - including her fans. While I don’t want to believe she would, I know that money is a huge influence in her business decisions (as proven by the lawsuit) and am left wondering if it would even be worth it for her to play that hypothetical game in the first place. We as fans see her as a perfect saint, but what if she’s pettier than we care to acknowledge? Just a thought. Feel free to attack me

 

 

[Chantemoi]

You're suggesting that Celine is making up a serious illness though. I doubt Resorts World and AEG would just take her word and accept such a loss of money without requiring medical proof that she is this sick. And if she's exaggerating her illness then that kind of suggests she has doctors lying for her.

 

Couldn't she face serious consequences if this were the case and it's found out? All to not pay some guy. Also, wasn't it stated that the law suit reached a settlement after she decided to fight the decision by the California Labor Commission.

Besides she'll just have to make up those dates, they don't just get erased or forgiven. Unless there was some kind of illness clause in the original contract?

 

 

I know it's hard to accept but maybe she is just sick. Perhaps it's not super dire but for a performer on Celine's level it is enough to keep her off stage.

 

You’re definitely right to assume all of what we’ve been told is true and that she’s smart enough to avoid that kind of mess. Perhaps I’m just too bored and cynical and looking for some other interesting “unknowns” to debate rather than what her predictable set list will be or whether she’ll don the blonde bob wig when she returns. Don’t hate me! Lol

Edited September 19, 2022 at 06:57 PM by Chantemoi

[Alex_Incognito]

It's also not far-fetched to think she just didn't want to do it. Before "A New Day..." we knew she wanted to pull to plug and we know she didn't because of Rene.

[maki_Dion-er]

No hating but that's quite the drama you've come up with. I can picture the movie retelling now lol.

 

 

You’re definitely right to assume all of what we’ve been told is true and that she’s smart enough to avoid that kind of mess. Perhaps I’m just too bored and cynical and looking for some other interesting “unknowns” to debate rather than what her predictable set list will be or whether she’ll don the blonde bob wig when she returns. Don’t hate me! Lol

[maki_Dion-er]

She asked Rene if it was possible to back out because he was in charge of all those decisions. I can't imagine Celine's lawyers or financial advisors not telling her she's making an unwise decision in this case. Or that she would want to go ahead w/ her choice and have to pay for breaking contract since she didn't even want to pay this guy a comission she considered too high.

 

I do not believe Celine would be this deceptive just to get out of some shows.

 

It's also not far-fetched to think she just didn't want to do it. Before "A New Day..." we knew she wanted to pull to plug and we know she didn't because of Rene.

[ryba]

It's hard to tell. It's business and she would never openly tell the public what was really going on, no artist would. On the other hand, $ 13 Million doesn't seem that much when you think about how much money she makes in total with her world tours and the Vegas residency. Would that "little" sum bother her so much, or maybe she rather wants to make a point, not give in, be respected and informed about such decisions before they are made? I think we will never really know, unless she publishes a new biography book with all these interesting details that we crave to know. Edited September 19, 2022 at 07:48 PM by ryba

[stevo]

Let’s not also forget that the end of Caesars and the beginning at Resorts was likely agreed contractually long before Rene died. The romantic, fairy tale of all of these wondrous comebacks in Vegas are all bleak financial agreements over which it seems Celine has had little say for a long time.

 

My bet is she is absolutely exhausted and she couldn’t go on.

 

I don’t expect a running commentary on her health and her situation but the fact we have had zero info over so long really does say a lot.

 

I am starting to think the worst. If there isn’t news soon or some surprise relaunch of Brand Celine, I think it’s all coming to an end

Edited September 19, 2022 at 08:02 PM by stevo

[nuts2you]

was just thinking do you all think the reason why the silence is that they don't want to Press to get ahold of what is really going on, that she can't sing anymore,

 

The Press would have a fielder day with that,

also do you think that this tour will continue because they are selling all Merch from the CWT

[ryba]

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Let's not also forget that the end of Caesars and the beginning at Resorts was likely agreed contractually long before Rene died. The romantic, fairy tale of all of these wondrous comebacks in Vegas are all bleak financial agreements over which it seems Celine has had little say for a long time.

 

My bet is she is absolutely exhausted and she couldn't go on.

 

I don't expect a running commentary on her health and her situation but the fact we have had zero info over so long really does say a lot.

 

I am starting to think the worst. If there isn't news soon or some surprise relaunch of Brand Celine, I think it's all coming to an end

These plans were likely to happen around 2013 when they suddenly started selling all her houses, because they already knew that she will be based in Vegas. Health wise, I don’t think that things are that bad. My guess is that due to Covid, all the postponements and the rescheduling, and some health issues on top she decided to put everything on hold. And maybe, as Chantemoi said, there is some truth to the Prinz assumption and the commission issue. I think we will never really know, because if she comes back she certainly won’t tell us the entire truth. I guess that right now she is enjoying her life and her new Vegas house. We know she is fine from the Covid appearances and the Ukraine message. We shouldn’t jump to negative conclusions just because a Michael Drucker made a statement without really knowing much about Celine. Edited September 19, 2022 at 10:34 PM by ryba

[AdrienneM]

Let’s not also forget that the end of Caesars and the beginning at Resorts was likely agreed contractually long before Rene died. The romantic, fairy tale of all of these wondrous comebacks in Vegas are all bleak financial agreements over which it seems Celine has had little say for a long time.

 

My bet is she is absolutely exhausted and she couldn’t go on.

 

I don’t expect a running commentary on her health and her situation but the fact we have had zero info over so long really does say a lot.

 

I am starting to think the worst. If there isn’t news soon or some surprise relaunch of Brand Celine, I think it’s all coming to an end

 

I doubt this to be the case. Renes last major managerial decision (though, I imagine he’d nudged and set up for Aldo to ensure a French album and tour were on the way before he became too ill to do so, likely in early 2015) before he stepped down in 2014 was the vegas extension at caesars from finishing in 2014 to finishing in 2019- and her current touring and vegas contract was a signed and done deal in 2017- well over a year after Rene had died. And considering all Renes discussions about having solid business relationships, always working with the same people and staying loyal to one group, I doubt he would’ve agreed to the swap from Caesars to somewhere else unless, which I assume was the case, Celine was Resorts Worlds first call when they decided to set up their own residency theatre and they’re paying her like double, if not triple her old Caesars salary.

[Mtk4097]

I think Céline is bound to come back sooner rather than later. With RW aside, there is still time between now and the assumed restart of CWT. Also- we would know if Celine was in terrible health and if she was going to retire. Think people are jumping to conclusions way too fast. Yes it’s been a long time but COVID shut down the world for two years and then her health issues. And she’s 54 ofc course she doesn’t have the vocal health she had 10-20 years ago. But it doesn’t mean she lost her voice. It’s simply that she’s older and needs to go back into coaching to kickstart those muscles again, if the case is her voice is “lost.”

[PuraVida]

Also- we would know if Celine was in terrible health and if she was going to retire. Think people are jumping to conclusions way too fast.

 

I agree there has been a lot of overreaction since her hiatus began, but I disagree that we would necessarily know much. No one seems to know outside her very close circle. And if they do know, they aren't telling.

 

And, apparently, no journalists or interviewers are willing to ask very direct questions to those who might know more than the 99% who know nothing.

[PuraVida]

We shouldn’t jump to negative conclusions just because a Michael Drucker made a statement without really knowing much about Celine.

 

He and Celine don't appear to be close, but if he's telling the truth about their very close mutual friend -- not to mention the amount of connections he would have on both sides of the Atlantic -- it's probable that he knows more than the vast majority of people. That said, even if he knows more, there is enough respect between them that he wouldn't speak out of turn I imagine.

 

We need to get some truth serum in Priyanka Chopra and Sam Heughan and find out what they know

[scielle]

Meh, he probably knows about as much as Claudette. 🙃

At least that’s how his recent interviews read to me.

[PuraVida]

Meanwhile Team Mariah is gearing up for a proper 25 year celebration of one of her albums, and apparently planning to release an unreleased 90s side project. All this as Team Celine is reminding fans not give out their credit card info to strangers online

 

Guess we can't be too mad, though -- Beyonce and Adele recently put out albums and then just basically stayed home too

[george_matei]

Meanwhile Team Mariah is gearing up for a proper 25 year celebration of one of her albums, and apparently planning to release an unreleased 90s side project. All this as Team Celine is reminding fans not give out their credit card info to strangers online

 

Guess we can't be too mad, though -- Beyonce and Adele recently put out albums and then just basically stayed home too

Team Mariah is doing such an incredible job with 25th celebration of Honey. Gosh, so many new things. I do not have a problem with Celine. I understand the whole situation with her. But man, Team Celine is so lame. They lost their creativity a long, long time ago. And this is sad. You know why? Because Celine is literally the best female singer on earth and they do nothing with that.

Edited September 20, 2022 at 04:37 PM by george_matei

[SuperLove4Celine]

Team Mariah is doing such an incredible job with 25th celebration of Honey. Gosh, so many new things. I do not have a problem with Celine. I understand the whole situation with her. But man, Team Celine is so lame. They lost their creativity a long, long time ago. And this is sad. You know why? Because Celine is literally the best female singer on earth and they do nothing with that.

 

Agreed 1 billion percent! The "foamers" on here can bash Mariah (and me) all they want, but the truth is Mariah is far more of an artist who actually has respect for music. The amount of times Celine has turned her back on her catalogue is astounding. It has been made abundantly clear to me she doesn't give two sh!ts about "her" (I use this term loosely) music. If she did, she'd be celebrating it far more than she does.

[stevo]

Unfortunately this is the case. Maybe not that she doesn’t give two sh!ts, but her willingness to sing, perform and record so many covers, at any and every opportunity.

 

Special Christmas performance- The Winter Song. Not something from her own multi million selling album

 

Mariah is immersed in her music and success. Some call it self obsessed but so she should be- I wish Celine was more.

 

 

[browseceline]

Meanwhile Team Mariah is gearing up for a proper 25 year celebration of one of her albums, and apparently planning to release an unreleased 90s side project. All this as Team Celine is reminding fans not give out their credit card info to strangers online

 

Guess we can't be too mad, though -- Beyonce and Adele recently put out albums and then just basically stayed home too

 

Yes! They could have released recordings from the 2017 tour that was filmed in London.

TeamCeline does not do much to please her fanbase. Even if she cannot be there they can keep her social media channels alive

 

 

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[nuts2you]

Yes! They could have released recordings from the 2017 tour that was filmed in London.

TeamCeline does not do much to please her fanbase. Even if she cannot be there they can keep her social media channels alive

 

 

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You guys first off, You need to have someone like a Julie S Producing it, She NO longer involved,

[ryba]

 

 

You guys first off, You need to have someone like a Julie S Producing it, She NO longer involved,

it doesn’t matter who produces it. There are many amazing production companies out there. I was amazed by the Australian company who produced the promo clips for Celines 2018 Australian leg of the tour. They did an incredible job! There are even better producers than Julie S. Edited September 23, 2022 at 04:10 PM by ryba

[sebulba]

You're suggesting that Celine is making up a serious illness though. I doubt Resorts World and AEG would just take her word and accept such a loss of money without requiring medical proof that she is this sick. And if she's exaggerating her illness then that kind of suggests she has doctors lying for her.

 

Couldn't she face serious consequences if this were the case and it's found out? All to not pay some guy. Also, wasn't it stated that the law suit reached a settlement after she decided to fight the decision by the California Labor Commission.

Besides she'll just have to make up those dates, they don't just get erased or forgiven. Unless there was some kind of illness clause in the original contract?

 

 

I know it's hard to accept but maybe she is just sick. Perhaps it's not super dire but for a performer on Celine's level it is enough to keep her off stage.

I don't think she is making up her sickness. It's too much money involved for her to do it and if she did and it was revealed she wasn't sick I guess she would run the risk of being sued which probably is way more expensive for her personally than doing the shows. And from "knowing" Celine through the years I think she is too professional to make up a sickness. Also I want to think she wouldn't come up with such a thing to not disappoint her fans either. But at the same time her management nowadays seem not that great so, idk.

Anyway about that commission to Prinz which I hadn't heard of before to be honest so this was news to me. If she has to pay commission to him until 2026 I don't think stalling or being sick would make a difference. I mean there is probably some expected amount calculated in that contract so even if she would postpone all dates to something after 2026 I think Prinz will be payed some expected amount of money anyway. I am just guessing but I mean contracts usually is more complicated so only not performing until 2026 to get away from it sounds too easy, imo.

[sebulba]

it doesn't matter who produces it. There are many amazing production companies out there. I was amazed by the Australian company who produced the promo clips for Celines 2018 Australian leg of the tour. They did an incredible job! There are even better producers than Julie S.

I think it matters who produce it. I mean taking her albums for example there a a few of them that sound really good. And taking a really bad example like One Heart which just sounds horrible and it sounds like they made that album on a 90's laptop basically.

Anyway my point is Celine has to surround herself with good people who know and care about their job so to speak. The problem I guess is good or great producers or people cost money. But Sony has shown if they really want they can put out really great stuff like the A new Day blu-ray which was really really great both in picture and sound quality.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

I think it matters who produce it. I mean taking her albums for example there a a few of them that sound really good. And taking a really bad example like One Heart which just sounds horrible and it sounds like they made that album on a 90's laptop basically.

Anyway my point is Celine has to surround herself with good people who know and care about their job so to speak. The problem I guess is good or great producers or people cost money. But Sony has shown if they really want they can put out really great stuff like the A new Day blu-ray which was really really great both in picture and sound quality.

 

Most of “One Heart” songs were produced during the recording of ANDHC…Actually, I like it even more than I do ANDHC.

[sebulba]

Agreed 1 billion percent! The "foamers" on here can bash Mariah (and me) all they want, but the truth is Mariah is far more of an artist who actually has respect for music. The amount of times Celine has turned her back on her catalogue is astounding. It has been made abundantly clear to me she doesn't give two sh!ts about "her" (I use this term loosely) music. If she did, she'd be celebrating it far more than she does.

I think I get or understand what you mean. And from a fan perspective I agree I also want to releases of anything.

But I think it's a little harsh to say Celine don't care but sure Mariah is probably more of an artist in that sense that she writes more own songs and maybe is more involved behind the scenes. But that has never been Celines thing anyway like Celine make songs come to life but she don't create them.

My point is it's a totally different experience of something when you have lived it and Celine has lived the albums as in she was involved making the album. That is different to us listening. For Celine it's a life experience and for us it's "just" a listening experience, basically. So I can see why she don't "care" because for her it's a life memory. I bet she celebrates her career and music by looking at pictures taken from the times in the studio or from promo tours she has made over the years like we look at holiday pictures. You don't have to celebrate with the world all the time just because you are famous.

Anyway in the end I guess it's up to Sony if anything since they hold the rights to her songs. Sure Celine probably have some say about things but I think we should blame Sony more for not releasing anything than Celine.