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[Javito]

 

 

Well, thats what lowering keys is for. She can take IWYTNM down by 2 keys and it would still be as heart wrenching and powerful as the key is that high. The big belts though are only a High D, shes shown she can consistently hit and hold high c#s (in think twice), so even a semitone down i think would be more or less fine for her, and if she needs it, she can lower it again. Of course her voice has changed, the song is 20 years old, however, im sure in a lower key in the right mood she could give it a solid attempt

 

It’s not only about lowering the key, it’s also about holding the notes for so long, and IWYTNM is full of these moments, it’s a song about holding high notes for seconds throughout all the piece. However, she’s been shortening the long notes in several songs recently, we could see that in Hyde Park show, in songs like I’m Alive for example, she’s starting to do acrobatics with her voice when she has to hold a high note for several seconds, instead of singing the high note and holding it.

Edited July 28, 2019 at 12:40 PM by Javito

[sarit_celine]

In the HP gig, on times, I saw she lacks confidence with singing. As well, might be that one of her ears is still not 100% all that adds nervousness. She should go and start singing in lower keys, shorter shows, nothing will happen, people will still go to her shows.

 

Let's hope she will find her way to enjoy those new shows, strong and happy.

[ehild]

Not sure if this has been discussed on here yet but she posted another throwback video the other day. First WFTM and now DYGEL. Possible teasers for the tour?? Thoughts?

https://www.facebook.com/6624036650/posts/10156285569431651/

[AdrienneM]

 

 

It’s not only about lowering the key, it’s also about holding the notes for so long, and IWYTNM is full of these moments, it’s a song about holding high notes for seconds throughout all the piece. However, she’s been shortening the long notes in several songs recently, we could see that in Hyde Park show, in songs like I’m Alive for example, she’s starting to do acrobatics with her voice when she has to hold a high note for several seconds, instead of singing the high note and holding it.

 

Im alive there isnt a sustained note.. well theres the “of my liiiiife” but she sustained that constantly all the time in Vegas, so i doubt its hard for her. She also not long ago was flawlessly sustaining the big notes at the end of Ordinaire, 4 and 8 seconds respectively. To be fair, we haven't seen her do a song which requires her to sustain a note for a long period of time since 2017, there is the final note of Youre The Voice in which i think she sustains it for like 4 or 5 seconds. We’d need to see more footage of her actually sustaining notes in recent times as we havent seen that from her based on her song choices, if she sings Ordinaire in Quebec soon, we may have a better idea then

 

Edit: after watching and checking IWYTMN, if she did lower the key by one or two tones, the note is 6 seconds, it would be a B or a Bb depending, (for reference a B is the pitch of the long notes in Ordinaire, and Bb is the pitch of the “long note” in Im Alive), imo she can still do that easily, the high sustain is a 3 second D that drops to a C for another 3 seconds, in a lowered key that would be a C# to a B or a C to a Bb... both of which i believe aren’t difficult for her (the C# to a B is the same as the “no dont do it babaaaaaay” in think twice) so, i do think a key or two down it wouldnt be bad

Edited July 28, 2019 at 01:38 PM by AdrienneM

[ordinary fan]

Not sure if this has been discussed on here yet but she posted another throwback video the other day. First WFTM and now DYGEL. Possible teasers for the tour?? Thoughts?

https://www.facebook...56285569431651/

it would be so nice if she actually will perform these songs on tour

[Celine-Fan]

I hope she mixes the setlist when she starts the tour. Fingers crossed for a live version of One Heart

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Thats..not how that works. Even with the 2017 and 2016 tours you could see at the end of them she was kind of stagnant and bored, its like she needs something new every 10 shows or so to keep her going. That and its not the set list, its simply the magnitude of dates. She could come out with a full deep cuts set list for this tour, and still be bored after the 66 US dates.

 

But i think it’s the song. Singing the same song for how many years is really boring. Bringing up new songs will fix that. 2016 is very exhausting for her up to 2017. Singing more in live less lipsync. You’re voice will get tired easily.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

But i think it’s the song. Singing the same song for how many years is really boring. Bringing up new songs will fix that. 2016 is very exhausting for her up to 2017. Singing more in live less lipsync. You’re voice will get tired easily.

 

It wasn’t her voice that was tired until like the last 3 dates. After Paris (except from the first Montreal show) she just looked bored and wasnt putting vocal effort in anymore

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

It wasn’t her voice that was tired until like the last 3 dates. After Paris (except from the first Montreal show) she just looked bored and wasnt putting vocal effort in anymore

 

Because she was tired. LOL she was exhausted in that era.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Because she was tired. LOL she was exhausted in that era.

 

Exhausted? Please. The Antwerp shows and the first 5 or so Paris shows she was full of life and vocally excellent. She just slowly after that got really bored and almost lazy, she wasn’t exhausted until Trois-Rivières

[isurrender]

Maybe you were the ones to be tired because you had seen the same show 25 Times behind your screen.

 

Let's face it. I remember before the asian tour , when she "rehearsed" it in Vegas for 2 nights, everybody was saying she should keep it that way.

And we saw the comments till the end of June...

 

I think some here won't stand the upcoming tour if it lasts 2 years. You'll never recover. Challenge yourself a bit.

Edited July 28, 2019 at 03:59 PM by isurrender

[AdrienneM]

Maybe you were the ones to be tired because you had seen the same show 25 Times behind your screen.

 

Let's face it. I remember before the asian tour , when she "rehearsed" it in Vegas for 2 nights, everybody was saying she should keep it that way.

And we saw the comments till the end of June...

 

I think some here won't stand the upcoming tour if it lasts 2 years. You'll never recover. Challenge yourself a bit.

 

Very true. I remember when i used to be really active on my fan instagram account, we all kind of agreed in unison that she should keep the vegas show as it was on the rehearsal nights, but then when we came back in October and saw it in Vegas, those same people complained it was the vegas show... she cant really win

Edited July 28, 2019 at 04:02 PM by AdrienneM

[emi&celine]

 

 

Thats..not how that works. Even with the 2017 and 2016 tours you could see at the end of them she was kind of stagnant and bored, its like she needs something new every 10 shows or so to keep her going. That and its not the set list, its simply the magnitude of dates. She could come out with a full deep cuts set list for this tour, and still be bored after the 66 US dates.

 

I attended her second show in Leeds in 2017 (one of her last shows of her 2017 summer tour) and she didn’t seem bored at all! Totally the opposite! She was full of energy and obviously happy to be on stage that night!

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I attended her second show in Leeds in 2017 (one of her last shows of her 2017 summer tour) and she didn’t seem bored at all! Totally the opposite! She was full of energy and obviously happy to be on stage that night!

 

The last time i looked at Glasgow, whilst she had good vocals she didnt look like she was having much fun or anything, that was however possibly because it was the last show and she cried after Love of My Life

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Exhausted? Please. The Antwerp shows and the first 5 or so Paris shows she was full of life and vocally excellent. She just slowly after that got really bored and almost lazy, she wasn’t exhausted until Trois-Rivières

 

She’s not bored nor lazy. But tired. Her voice changed in 2016. She’s singing non stop after Rene died.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I attended her second show in Leeds in 2017 (one of her last shows of her 2017 summer tour) and she didn’t seem bored at all! Totally the opposite! She was full of energy and obviously happy to be on stage that night!

 

I never seen céline get bored on stage. Maybe tired in vocals.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

She’s not bored nor lazy. But tired. Her voice changed in 2016. She’s singing non stop after Rene died.

 

Not bored? Have you ever seen Celine perform in Vegas lol? And non-stop isnt the word id use, heavily yes, however her Vegas schedule being 12 shows and then a month off isnt huge. The tour mind you, yes, thats rather daunting

[jpatdeleon09]

Maybe you were the ones to be tired because you had seen the same show 25 Times behind your screen.

 

Let's face it. I remember before the asian tour , when she "rehearsed" it in Vegas for 2 nights, everybody was saying she should keep it that way.

And we saw the comments till the end of June...

 

I think some here won't stand the upcoming tour if it lasts 2 years. You'll never recover. Challenge yourself a bit.

 

Challenge yourself if you can sing or do a show an hour or two with the same feel of what céline feels back in 2016 after the death of rene. Let’s see who doesn’t get exhausted or tired.

 

I never seen céline get bored on stage. Never.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Not bored? Have you ever seen Celine perform in Vegas lol? And non-stop isnt the word id use, heavily yes, however her Vegas schedule being 12 shows and then a month off isnt huge. The tour mind you, yes, thats rather daunting

 

No. But as we can see on her performances that she’s not bored.

 

Bored and tired is very different. Tired is acceptable (she’s a hardworking singer) Bored? lol

 

Where’s the clip that you said she’s bored on stage. Let me see!

 

Receipts please

Edited July 28, 2019 at 05:28 PM by jpatdeleon09

[AdrienneM]

 

 

No. But as we can see on her performances that she’s not bored.

 

Bored and tired is very different. Tired is acceptable (she’s a hardworking singer) Bored? lol

 

Where’s the clip that you said she’s bored on stage. Let me see!

 

Receipts please

 

Literally watch any video from Vegas 2017-2018. Repeating the same jokes, lines, phrases and songs all over again. Looking constantly bored and putting zero effort into her vocals compared to any of her summer tours

[comingback]

Not sure if this has been discussed on here yet but she posted another throwback video the other day. First WFTM and now DYGEL. Possible teasers for the tour?? Thoughts?

https://www.facebook...56285569431651/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-i27X8sAo

 

 

Yes, maybe they are part of the setlist. She only sang DYGEL once on the Celine Dion Tour.

 

But I want to hear NBBMH.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7xJLqbGjQ

Edited July 28, 2019 at 06:15 PM by comingback

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Literally watch any video from Vegas 2017-2018. Repeating the same jokes, lines, phrases and songs all over again. Looking constantly bored and putting zero effort into her vocals compared to any of her summer tours

 

That’s not bored. Maybe just tired. And the same jokes, lines and blah blah is part of the script. That’s why there are monitors on stage so she can remember her lines. Not just with the lyrics of the songs but for the joke lines, speech as well.

 

Zero efforts in her vocals compared to any of her summer tour? That’s unfair. Her previous summer tour setlist is very different from her last 2 summer tour. Like TLBSEPT. If she included this to her asian tour. You’ll not complain. Compare the songs from her last 2 summer shows to the recent one.

Edited July 28, 2019 at 06:15 PM by jpatdeleon09

[scielle]

I never seen céline get bored on stage.

 

Neither have I. I don't think she's capable of it.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Neither have I. I don't think she's capable of it.

 

Exactly. Even if she’s tired. She’s not showing it onstage. You’ll only know if she’s tired because of the vocals.

 

That’s how pro céline is

Edited July 28, 2019 at 06:18 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Céline RO]

I'm not so sure she is ready for these amount of shows. She said in a recent interview she musn't think about the amount

of shows, otherwise it can causes breakdown. In this point, she can do Less shows, and then really to enjoy it.

No matter what one might do, if it's too much for too long, it burn you out. No wonder, she found another thing to really

enjoy from it.

 

But she's used to doing massive tours and now she says she has more energy than ever so I wouldn't be worried.

[Céline RO]

I doubt she can perform today songs like IWYTNM in its original key without breaking down her voice, unfortunately.

Same as Le blues du businessman, these songs are highly demanding vocally and she no longer has the high pitched, crystal clear voice she had when she recorded them.

 

That's why I've always defended the importance of promoting and performing the songs she just recorded when an album is released, but...

 

Well, she proved that she can still perform "The Reason" which has even higher notes in the same key as 20 years ago...

Edited July 29, 2019 at 11:50 AM by Céline RO

[Céline RO]

Well, thats what lowering keys is for. She can take IWYTNM down by 2 keys and it would still be as heart wrenching and powerful as the key is that high. The big belts though are only a High D, shes shown she can consistently hit and hold high c#s (in think twice), so even a semitone down i think would be more or less fine for her, and if she needs it, she can lower it again. Of course her voice has changed, the song is 20 years old, however, im sure in a lower key in the right mood she could give it a solid attempt

 

She proved that she can still hit and hold Eb5s in "The Reason" so D5s shouldn't really be that difficult. She also held amazing D5s in IDAN in 2017. I'm almost sure she can perform IWYTNM in original key.

[biscuit2]

Céline bored in her summer tours ? It's a joke. These tours are fantastics in terms of connexion with the audience.

[jolo87]

She's been working non-stop since she came back after Rene's death, probably for him to honor him, but also to distract herself from the little voice in her head that wonders what he is thinking. I think that, over the course of that time, which was really a long sprint, she stopped worrying so much, and really liberated herself from worrying whether this note works this way, or if she should do this other run that way. The difference in her performances comes, in my mind, from that liberation, which is not laziness but rather experimentation. Vocally her performances have been stellar, but she's been playing around so much with how she actually wants to sing her songs and a lot of the time it doesn't work. And by this I mean she's attacking melodies from different directions in her range and using different techniques, like vocal fry, open vs. closed vowels, dark vs. bright tone, etc, in different places.

 

The important thing now is that that period of experimentation is over and she's at home with her thoughts working out what she will do with her songs during the tour. I think we will have something different for sure, but also more consistent and planned out, because what she's embarking on is far more difficult than what she's done recently, primarily because the set list will be longer. Let's just trust in her artistry, understand where she's been and what she *does* and wait for the tour to actually begin before we preemptively critique her vocals.

Edited July 29, 2019 at 06:04 PM by jolo87

[jolo87]

And I think if you look at PQTME as an example, probably the one song we have all roasted her the most for, that's the song she's been taking the most liberties with and it's also the most meaningful song in her relationship with Rene and the one he would have always expected to be the same.

 

So if you consider her position emotionally, psychologically and also in terms of personal growth and transcendence from pain and the limitations of her past, the fact that she is doing crazy weird things with this song makes perfect sense, and we don't have to assume that its because she can't actually sing the song the same way physically.

 

If you watch the video of that very first show after she came back, she kinda ruined the first song and actually spoke at length about that on stage after, and then also about how Rene's voice is no longer in her head but that she's listening and waiting for it. We can say that her voice changed that night but probably, she was just crying before the show.

 

In any case I think she has been playing around with her songs because she wants to hear that voice, she knows if she does them the same way that he'll be happy up there and have nothing to say.

Edited July 29, 2019 at 06:13 PM by jolo87