Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[RosieBarron]

 

 

For example, while it is considered incurable, there are several patients who have been cured and have gone on to resume their careers. We don't know anything about it to begin with, generalizations mean nothing. So let's hope and hope and hope alongside her.

 

Exactly. If there was no way she would ever perform again they would not be rescheduling these shows for the 5th time. We just have to wait and see and hope. I shall be keeping my tickets as a vote of confidence in her and support. If she wants to aim to do them then I will stick with her.

 

Also the actual diagnosis seemed recent. Now they know the specific condition, hopefully the treatment she receives can become more targeted.

Edited December 12, 2022 at 12:49 PM by RosieBarron

[jolo87]

 

 

Exactly. If there was no way she would ever perform again they would not be rescheduling these shows for the 5th time. We just have to wait and see and hope. I shall be keeping my tickets as a vote of confidence in her and support. If she wants to aim to do them then I will stick with her.

 

Also the actual diagnosis seemed recent. Now they know the specific condition, hopefully the treatment she receives can become more targeted.

 

Even if Celine just wanted to hold onto those dates for her own personal motivation, that's not how business decisions are made. There's a lot of money involved and insurance contracts are complicated (and require medical documentation in these cases). There's a lot of back and forth and actually her doctors' input is probably driving most of it.

Edited December 12, 2022 at 01:53 PM by jolo87

[manu23]

Even if Celine just wanted to hold onto those dates for her own personal motivation, that's not how business decisions are made. There's a lot of money involved and insurance contracts are complicated (and require medical documentation in these cases). There's a lot of back and forth and actually her doctors' input is probably driving most of it.

 

Exactly, and probably her doctors can't even know for sure. If the diagnosis is recent, they will need to see if she improves with the new treatments. All the experts I heard the last few days say the same, each case is unique and each patient require different treatment to control the symptoms. I find it almost impossible that she can do 3-4 shows a week as she was used too, but miracles happen, we just need to wait and hope for the best.

[RosieBarron]

 

 

Exactly, and probably her doctors can't even know for sure. If the diagnosis is recent, they will need to see if she improves with the new treatments. All the experts I heard the last few days say the same, each case is unique and each patient require different treatment to control the symptoms. I find it almost impossible that she can do 3-4 shows a week as she was used too, but miracles happen, we just need to wait and hope for the best.

 

I think I had said this several times on here even before she made the announcement last week, but I had already got to a point of expecting her to do a lot less when she did come back and maybe the shows being less energetic. The days of her running around a stage in 6 inch heals had clearly already gone.

 

It would all have to be carefully managed and I guess she can afford to be personally supervised by doctors. Some of the best parts of her shows in recent years has been the seated acoustic sets anyway. Maybe we can expect more of that. Fingers crossed it all works out.

[smw]

 

 

I think I had said this several times on here even before she made the announcement last week, but I had already got to a point of expecting her to do a lot less when she did come back and maybe the shows being less energetic. The days of her running around a stage in 6 inch heals had clearly already gone.

 

It would all have to be carefully managed and I guess she can afford to be personally supervised by doctors. Some of the best parts of her shows in recent years has been the seated acoustic sets anyway. Maybe we can expect more of that. Fingers crossed it all works out.

 

Yes — and maybe, if her treatments go well, she can do just a few big shows like Barbra Streisand has in recent years. Celine seated with a microphone and a spotlight on her is all she has ever needed anyways.

 

Being healthy and comfortable and with her children is most important right now, of course. But she clearly wants to perform again one day and I want that for her.

[Alex_Incognito]

Celine was clearly pushing herself too much with touring in recent years. She put hell on her body and her voice. She performed more than most artists and she gave more than most artists. It was only a matter of time before she couldn't perform that way. People half her age couldn't do what she did as well as she did.

 

People are saying their goodbyes way too soon. Sure, I understand that people don't want to set themselves up for disappointment. I get that. We need to give Celine our positive energy.

 

Think of how wonderful the ANDHC era was. She didn't tour and she didn't do full concerts. She appeared here and there and yet she was everywhere. Sure she was rehearsing for what was about to be AND, but still it was enough.

 

I understand Celine not wanting to give us anything less than her level best. She's a professional. But as a professional, she gave too much in the recent years and it has taken an unheathy toll. Celine isn't an old woman and I refuse to say my goodbyes yet. It may take months or years for her to "come back" in some form. And I'll be there. No matter where.

[Bell]

I hope Celine feels better in time. I guess it's very hard for someone so active and so lively to get used to a much slower pace. I hope she just has some quality time with her loved ones. Even if she never sings again, she's given her fans so much so far that we are truly blessed.

[joaofilho]

Eles poderiam cancelar tudo e só depois que ela estivesse pronta, agendariam das datas, sem essa correria toda.

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Edited December 12, 2022 at 06:38 PM by joaofilho

[joaofilho]

I still don't think they canceled due to contractual issues, I think this is making things very difficult Edited December 12, 2022 at 06:38 PM by joaofilho

[Nmj]

Celine was clearly pushing herself too much with touring in recent years. She put hell on her body and her voice. She performed more than most artists and she gave more than most artists. It was only a matter of time before she couldn't perform that way. People half her age couldn't do what she did as well as she did.

 

People are saying their goodbyes way too soon. Sure, I understand that people don't want to set themselves up for disappointment. I get that. We need to give Celine our positive energy.

 

Think of how wonderful the ANDHC era was. She didn't tour and she didn't do full concerts. She appeared here and there and yet she was everywhere. Sure she was rehearsing for what was about to be AND, but still it was enough.

 

I understand Celine not wanting to give us anything less than her level best. She's a professional. But as a professional, she gave too much in the recent years and it has taken an unheathy toll. Celine isn't an old woman and I refuse to say my goodbyes yet. It may take months or years for her to "come back" in some form. And I'll be there. No matter where.

 

I love this post. I just wish I could see it that optimistically.

[Celinefan2019]

Ive had friends reach out to me lately too, wondering where Celine is and how shes doing.

 

Looks like a lot of casual fans are very concerned about her & miss her.

 

Celines not the first celebrity to take a step back & then rumors start swirling.

 

2023 should be a great comeback year for Celine. Shes entitled to remain in this say no to everything mode until she feels ready to re-emerge.

 

Its a shame, though, that she doesnt want her team to keep things more active on social media. But I guess shes just content with fading away for a while.

 

I imagine theres plenty going on behind the scenes.

I,m extremely devastated about hearing the news that Celine Dion has a rare disease. I’m praying for her that she will make a full recovery.

 

 

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[maki_Dion-er]

Yeah you're right, it was like cringey PR leading fans to go crazy and make cringey requests in return. There's something passive aggressive about that video but the whole situation was really passive aggressive on both ends. But at least that's over now and the truth has come out and everyone can be sincere and not cringey.

 

Yeah, so insincere and crazy for fans to ask a company to release content of their favorite artist. Super weird behavior...

 

 

Celine has been pushing herself for so long and I feel like even now she is still pushing herself to get better. Either she's in denial right now, just trying to shield the truth from fans, or her her condition make doctors hopeful but it'll take a long while.

 

Keeping a goal post may be an incentive for her but I also feel like failing a set goal could potentially just frustrate her more. That is if she's the one unwilling to fully cancel the tour. If it's Sony or AEG not wanting to cancel then that is truly shi*t of them.

[incognito]

If it's Sony or AEG not wanting to cancel then that is truly shi*t of them.

 

Forcing an unwell person to perform is on brand for AEG (Michael Jackson)

[brendanm999]

 

 

Forcing an unwell person to perform is on brand for AEG (Michael Jackson)

MJ was not forced to do This Is It. He signed the contract and was heavily involved in the preparations.

[Dreamy]

I was listening her Christmas album and while I was listening it I saw she shared a video message in her IG. I just stop the music and saw her message. I was in shock for the news and of course for seeing her eyes and the pain that I've seen. Since that I dind't listen to her music. I've cried and I've really felt like if my heart was broken and still is. Céline has been with us in good and bad times trough her voice, music and of course with everything she has shared with us about her personal life, sharing love and supporting us in many different ways. I really wish her happiness, all my support, energy, love. Now I need to send back all the love that I've got from her since 30 years ago.

I am positive and optimistic because I know that she is going to get all possible treatments to improve her health. She has hope, I have hope and I am sure that things regarding her health are improving little by little, for this reason she plans to return. She has been prudent, as we know, she is superstitious, but I stick with her words: she is surrounded by a great medical team, she is focusing all her energy on recovering and I am sure that in 2024 Céline will be in better health conditions.

Céline is in my thoughts every day and all our messages will help her to continue with optimism and enthusiasm in the face of all these therapies to improve her health.

I am not ready yet to listen to her music ... honestly I don't listen music since 8 of december... But yes I am prepared for always, always wish her all the best. I ❤ U 'Céline.

Edited December 13, 2022 at 10:51 AM by Dreamy

[jolo87]

MJ was not forced to do This Is It. He signed the contract and was heavily involved in the preparations.

 

Yeah, but there was a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG for their conduct in managing his medical care (they won, however). What we can take from it is that AEG clearly failed to show any proactive concern for Michael's wellbeing and were content to let him self-medicate so long as it kept him on stage.

Edited December 13, 2022 at 01:13 PM by jolo87

[scielle]

 

Yeah, but there was a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG for their conduct in managing his medical care (they won, however). What we can take from it is that AEG clearly failed to show any proactive concern for Michael's wellbeing and were content to let him self-medicate so long as it kept him on stage.

 

The court transcripts from that case were (maybe still are) online. John Meglen frequently mentioned Céline in his testimony. All I can hope is that he learned from the MJ experience.

[brendanm999]

 

 

Yeah, but there was a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG for their conduct in managing his medical care (they won, however). What we can take from it is that AEG clearly failed to show any proactive concern for Michael's wellbeing and were content to let him self-medicate so long as it kept him on stage.

There’s only so much AEG could have realistically done. MJ signed the contract and was showing up for rehearsals (with the exception of the last week at The Forum) and he was apparently coherent at rehearsals and meetings. The things that went on at the house were mostly out of AEG’s hands even though they started paying the doctor’s salary starting in May.

 

I’m a huge MJ fan, and it’s because of him that I discovered Celine, but I’m just trying to keep it real.

 

In Celine’s case, her European shows have now been postponed 4 times. They’re clearly not forcing her to perform, and I personally think Celine wants to deliver these shows for her fans since they’ve waited so long. I hope and pray that she has the ability to do this, assuming she wants to.

[brendanm999]

 

 

The court transcripts from that case were (maybe still are) online. John Meglen frequently mentioned Céline in his testimony. All I can hope is that he learned from the MJ experience.

They're still online, and I love how much respect the AEG execs have for Celine. I recall John Meglen saying that he thinks Celine is even bigger than MJ.

[Nmj]

They're still online, and I love how much respect the AEG execs have for Celine. I recall John Meglen saying that he thinks Celine is even bigger than MJ.

 

Of course AEG loves Celine, she’s been their workhorse for years on end, let’s see how they act with the future meaning either never performing again or at best case very limited shows.

[brendanm999]

 

 

Of course AEG loves Celine, she’s been their workhorse for years on end, let’s see how they act with the future meaning either never performing again or at best case very limited shows.

The very best case is that she’ll make a great recovery and be able to deliver the shows at the pace she originally intended to, but I agree with your point.

[Shamrock_1982]

This time away from each other will be good for both sides.

 

She can continue to enjoy family life and continue to grow stronger and eventually over come this.

 

It’s also a great time for all of us to fully focus on something we have neglected or always wanted to do.

 

Life is short, enjoy it, and one day soon we will see her again, but for now let’s take time for ourselves and check in with each other from time to time and I’m sure Céline will now do the same!

[daccord_12]

This time away from each other will be good for both sides.

 

She can continue to enjoy family life and continue to grow stronger and eventually over come this.

 

It’s also a great time for all of us to fully focus on something we have neglected or always wanted to do.

 

Life is short, enjoy it, and one day soon we will see her again, but for now let’s take time for ourselves and check in with each other from time to time and I’m sure Céline will now do the same!

 

Well Said!!

[PuraVida]

Isn't she supposed to "pick back up" in August 2023? I mean we all know that's probably a no go but I'm assuming she will record another video if she can't go sometime in May/early June if she has to postpone again.

 

Oh, I was under the impression all of 2023 was canceled. Anyway, yeah...gonna be probably a good 6 months at least (in my view). In other words, we probably will get a video message 2 - 3 months before the next concert date. Or, next time they will issue a press release if her health has declined compared to current state.

[A new day...]

I still can't process the news. Like many of you, I can't even listen to her music without crying now. It's devastating. I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope she can get a treatment and perform again.

[joaofilho]

This is Celine Dion's greatest challenge.

I don't want to be pessimistic but I believe that the 2023 shows will be cancelled.

I watched some reports about this syndrome, it is devastating, it affects the emotional, any noise, sunlight, changes in temperature can cause spasms or paralysis.

Arms, legs, neck and face may be paralyzed for some time.

The person cannot walk alone, because they can fall.

The treatment that exists are medicines that help improve the symptoms, muscle laxatives that help with the spasms.

Another treatment is also the Stem Cell treatment which seems to be an innovative treatment that can null block the symptoms.

That's why I believe that Celine is being forced to try to do these shows, she doesn't have the conditions yet, that's why this syndrome affects her, she works with emotions, noises, lots of sounds, it's complicated.

[smw]

This is Celine Dion's greatest challenge.

I don't want to be pessimistic but I believe that the 2023 shows will be cancelled.

I watched some reports about this syndrome, it is devastating, it affects the emotional, any noise, sunlight, changes in temperature can cause spasms or paralysis.

Arms, legs, neck and face may be paralyzed for some time.

The person cannot walk alone, because they can fall.

The treatment that exists are medicines that help improve the symptoms, muscle laxatives that help with the spasms.

Another treatment is also the Stem Cell treatment which seems to be an innovative treatment that can null block the symptoms.

That's why I believe that Celine is being forced to try to do these shows, she doesn't have the conditions yet, that's why this syndrome affects her, she works with emotions, noises, lots of sounds, it's complicated.

 

I agree this is her biggest challenge... and it comes after she's already faced so much in recent years. But none of us really know what her future holds. The condition seems to impact each person differently to some degree. We do know that it's something she will live with for the rest of her life... but she is such a big name that perhaps it will lead to more funding, research and discoveries in the coming months and years.

 

Celine is also a fighter.

 

My hope is that she will respond well to treatments and be able to lead a comfortable life. I don't think Celine will be forced to do her shows considering these circumstances. As she stated in her video, I think she genuinely wants to get back to performing because it's all she's ever known.... and I hope someday she can do that... even if it's One Night Only sort of moments instead of the grueling schedule she kept for so many years.

 

In addition, I think she and her team will find other ways to keep her legacy and career going. Hopefully some recording if her condition allows it, reaching into the vault, some special appearances, etc. One glimmer of hope, and something she probably never would have done if she hadn't been faced with this diagnosis, was working with a producer to listen to her old studio takes and reconstructing a song for Jean-Jacques Goldman's new album. I think that's pretty amazing.

 

Celine's always been such a go, go, go... forward-motion person and I hope she can find a little bit of peace in looking back at all she's accomplished and the legacy she's built.

 

Most importantly, I just want her to be okay emotionally and physically. This is such a sad situation, especially considering what a magnificent person Celine is. While there are some scary things out there regarding this condition, there are also people out there with Stiff Person Syndrome sending her well wishes and giving her (and us fans) hope.

 

As shared in another thread, this video brings me some hope too:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttNSkQUw47Q&feature=emb_title

Edited December 19, 2022 at 10:37 PM by smw

[PuraVida]

Yes, it seems that each person has a unique thumbprint of the disease, so to speak. And each person responds differently to the different treatments. I hope Celine doesn't have to search too long before she can find some relief.

[donpi86]

All these news are so sad and challenging for Celine... I always try to see the positive thing (for smaller that it can be), this is of course how I would like to see for the next years (not trying to be a manager) ...

 

-Courage tour and it's concept should be totally canceled and closed. This is, for worse or better, a new Celine era. I guess it's something about insurances that they keep postponing due to medical issues... (maybe if they cancel the tour "voluntarily" they have to pay a huge amount of $$)

 

-Luckily, she has access to very good doctors and I really hope she gets the best treatment to have the least of pains and she can deal with the illness and have a relative good life.

 

-If she ever comeback, as she loves to sing, I would love that she forgets about the old days and try to find a new voice. The time for big choreographies, big notes, big effects, should be over because it's not good for her in any case (even if she feels better) She should be aware that we as fans would enjoy any kind of concert or comeback. I, personally, would love to see an intimate low key version of My Heart Will Go On... If I miss the old days, I can always play a record or see any concert... Right now, at this point in Celine's career, I just need her, a mic, few lights, and a little band.

 

It would be so f***ing selfish if any of us dare to demand or feel dissapointed if Celine can't never again reach the All By Myself famous note...

 

Somehow I like to think that the best is yet to come, when she returns, maybe I find out a more complex and interesting artist... But right now, above all, I just hope she gets better.

[browseceline]

All these news are so sad and challenging for Celine... I always try to see the positive thing (for smaller that it can be), this is of course how I would like to see for the next years (not trying to be a manager) ...

 

-Courage tour and it's concept should be totally canceled and closed. This is, for worse or better, a new Celine era. I guess it's something about insurances that they keep postponing due to medical issues... (maybe if they cancel the tour "voluntarily" they have to pay a huge amount of $$)

 

-Luckily, she has access to very good doctors and I really hope she gets the best treatment to have the least of pains and she can deal with the illness and have a relative good life.

 

-If she ever comeback, as she loves to sing, I would love that she forgets about the old days and try to find a new voice. The time for big choreographies, big notes, big effects, should be over because it's not good for her in any case (even if she feels better) She should be aware that we as fans would enjoy any kind of concert or comeback. I, personally, would love to see an intimate low key version of My Heart Will Go On... If I miss the old days, I can always play a record or see any concert... Right now, at this point in Celine's career, I just need her, a mic, few lights, and a little band.

 

It would be so f***ing selfish if any of us dare to demand or feel dissapointed if Celine can't never again reach the All By Myself famous note...

 

Somehow I like to think that the best is yet to come, when she returns, maybe I find out a more complex and interesting artist... But right now, above all, I just hope she gets better.

 

Exactly! And I don’t want her to tour with this condition, no way. and there are many smaller more intimate songs that do not have big theatrics, high notes etcetera that never have been performed on stage. But again, I think it is highly unlikely we will see her on stage in 2023 and yes, also for the many times it has already been postponed, it has been enough, the Courage tour should be cancelled in my opinion. It definately cannot go on with her condition. I hope she can be treated and if that means we will see her in 2025 , than so be it. In the meantime I hope her team releases some earlier material from the vault and , only when she is ready and able, maybe once in a while can record a live performance from her home, like she did with that pianist in coronatimes and the wintersong she shared with us.

 

 

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Edited December 24, 2022 at 10:21 AM by browseceline