Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[AdrienneM]

 

 

What you call a fiasco is a 99.9% sold out tour with one of the highest average prices out there. On top of that she is getting the best reviews of her career. We can argue that more songs from Courage should be included, but with respect. You can't go to an official artist FB page to accuse her of lipsyncing and expect your post not to be deleted. Specially because it is unfair. I've seen many female international artists in concert in the last few years and Celine lipsyncs much less. Some of then lipsync 90% to 100% of the show (Shania, Britney, Jennifer Lopez among them).

 

Do you really expect Celine to sing ABM note live every two nights? She wouldn't have a voice after two months. And don't tell me then she needs to do less shows because then you would complain the prices are astronomical and real fans couldn't afford them. Barbra Streisand does only a few shows every now and them, but I bet the cheapest ticket is $500.

 

Celine is one of the hardest working artists in show business. She takes care of her voice like not many others do, she doesn't drink, she doesn't smoke, she trains a lot. Isn't that being respectful to her fans? If you don't see that too bad for you, but don't expect her team allow you to talk like that on her official page. That's not freedom of speech.

 

singing ABM, TPOL, IACBTMN, TLYM and MHWGO all in one night 100% live in the 90s keys her voice would be gone in 2 weeks top. Not even a possibility nwi

[jpatdeleon09]

I prefer her to lipped a few songs from the setlist than to sing ALL songs from the setlist LIVE. We don’t want her voice to get tired and be broken that may lead to vocal surgery. Hello Adele. It’s scary.

 

only haters and lambs brings up lipsync (even though there faves also lipsyncs but they’re so DELUSIONAL to accept that.. that’s why they mention other artists and bash them)

Edited January 14, 2020 at 11:59 AM by jpatdeleon09

[mb011]

As much as i'd wish a couple of new songs in the show, and some current - out, seeing the live videos on instagram - she is on fire, and i cant wait for june 5

[browseceline]

Where's my proof this is not right?

First, it's not about me. It's about the law.

Second, see my last post (linked above and here), which it seems you missed.

(Oh, and it's also my job. I work with music publishing every day.)

 

Please educate yourself about how music publishing works, who pays whom, how statutory rate are set by rate courts, who collects and distributes royalties, how copyrights are split depending on type of publishing agreement, etc.

There are plenty of resources out there on PRO sites such as ASCAP or BMI, or private companies such as Songtrust or Kobalt, among others.

 

I'd also suggest a reading of All You Need to Know About the Music Business, by Don Passman. It's widely used as reference across the industry, and written by one of the most prominent lawyers in the business (who, incidentally, is currently representing Taylor Swift).

 

The only thing I could find is this: https://www.ukmix.org/showthread.php?64408-C%E9line-Dion/page71

But I don't know if that results in not singing the new songs on stage?

[couldawouldashoulda]

I’m watching the Jacksonville concert - am obsessed with the Courage World Tour in a way I’ve never been with a Celine tour before. First, her vocals are outstanding. Second, looking at it from the view of a general fan, or even a FAN fan, but not super Uber fan, there are 6 Celine Dion songs that she didn’t sing in her last tour (a decade ago.) So someone who doesn’t have the money to travel to Las Vegas and who doesn’t enjoy watching bad visual/sound bootlegs on YouTube constantly, these are gems that for them, Celine hadn’t sung in years:

That’s The Way it Is

If You Asked Me To

Beauty and the Beast

Pour Les Blues Sont Ecrit Por Toi

Courage

Lying Down/Imerfections

 

 

Add to that, she sings To Love You More in full which she hadn’t done since the Let’s Talk About Love tour. And in Jacksonville, and in most places, I think - the crowd goes wild when they discover that’s the song that’s about to be performed. Also, she does The Prayer differently - as a solo rather than a duet with someone on a screen.

 

So 7 new experiences for them plus 6 of the HITS: IACBTMN, IA, TPOL, ABM, BYLM, and MHWGO

 

No one on this board likes the covers medley - but they’re all songs from her generation which gets people up and dancing. And Imagine is well-beloved song that is a personal message from Celine to the crowd - a parting piece of wisdom with which to leave them.

 

You’re The Voice is a fun, audience-participation song with a wonderful message that shows her being the most political she’s been in concert...EVER for the United States.

 

All in all, I can see how only the die-hards (maybe 10% of Celine Dion fans) would be disappointed with the tour. But that leaves 90% who have a pretty damn good enjoyable evening. I’d consider that a success and a successful formula that keeps people coming back and, as a business woman, ensures the continuation of her brand.

 

You’ve all heard the old saying...”If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

[Ajax]

I’m watching the Jacksonville concert - am obsessed with the Courage World Tour in a way I’ve never been with a Celine tour before. First, her vocals are outstanding. Second, looking at it from the view of a general fan, or even a FAN fan, but not super Uber fan, there are 6 Celine Dion songs that she didn’t sing in her last tour (a decade ago.) So someone who doesn’t have the money to travel to Las Vegas and who doesn’t enjoy watching bad visual/sound bootlegs on YouTube constantly, these are gems that for them, Celine hadn’t sung in years:

That’s The Way it Is

If You Asked Me To

Beauty and the Beast

Pour Les Blues Sont Ecrit Por Toi

Courage

Lying Down/Imerfections

 

 

Add to that, she sings To Love You More in full which she hadn’t done since the Let’s Talk About Love tour. And in Jacksonville, and in most places, I think - the crowd goes wild when they discover that’s the song that’s about to be performed. Also, she does The Prayer differently - as a solo rather than a duet with someone on a screen.

 

So 7 new experiences for them plus 6 of the HITS: IACBTMN, IA, TPOL, ABM, BYLM, and MHWGO

 

No one on this board likes the covers medley - but they’re all songs from her generation which gets people up and dancing. And Imagine is well-beloved song that is a personal message from Celine to the crowd - a parting piece of wisdom with which to leave them.

 

You’re The Voice is a fun, audience-participation song with a wonderful message that shows her being the most political she’s been in concert...EVER for the United States.

 

All in all, I can see how only the die-hards (maybe 10% of Celine Dion fans) would be disappointed with the tour. But that leaves 90% who have a pretty damn good enjoyable evening. I’d consider that a success and a successful formula that keeps people coming back and, as a business woman, ensures the continuation of her brand.

 

You’ve all heard the old saying...”If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

Haha thanks for this interesting feedback. I still think that this is quite a shitty set list, I’m surely in the 10% but still think Courage should be more represented and this is a huge mistake. however, you make factually a lot of valid points. And the overall pretty impressive reviews she is getting from the media and general audience which is if I’m not mistaken quite unprecedented , demonstrates that you may be right, as you said, for the US market.

 

[Céline RO]

I’m watching the Jacksonville concert - am obsessed with the Courage World Tour in a way I’ve never been with a Celine tour before. First, her vocals are outstanding. Second, looking at it from the view of a general fan, or even a FAN fan, but not super Uber fan, there are 6 Celine Dion songs that she didn’t sing in her last tour (a decade ago.) So someone who doesn’t have the money to travel to Las Vegas and who doesn’t enjoy watching bad visual/sound bootlegs on YouTube constantly, these are gems that for them, Celine hadn’t sung in years:

 

That’s The Way it Is

If You Asked Me To

Beauty and the Beast

Pour Les Blues Sont Ecrit Por Toi

Courage

Lying Down/Imerfections

 

 

Add to that, she sings To Love You More in full which she hadn’t done since the Let’s Talk About Love tour. And in Jacksonville, and in most places, I think - the crowd goes wild when they discover that’s the song that’s about to be performed. Also, she does The Prayer differently - as a solo rather than a duet with someone on a screen.

 

So 7 new experiences for them plus 6 of the HITS: IACBTMN, IA, TPOL, ABM, BYLM, and MHWGO

 

No one on this board likes the covers medley - but they’re all songs from her generation which gets people up and dancing. And Imagine is well-beloved song that is a personal message from Celine to the crowd - a parting piece of wisdom with which to leave them.

 

You’re The Voice is a fun, audience-participation song with a wonderful message that shows her being the most political she’s been in concert...EVER for the United States.

 

All in all, I can see how only the die-hards (maybe 10% of Celine Dion fans) would be disappointed with the tour. But that leaves 90% who have a pretty damn good enjoyable evening. I’d consider that a success and a successful formula that keeps people coming back and, as a business woman, ensures the continuation of her brand.

 

You’ve all heard the old saying...”If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

 

I completely agree with everything you said! I would just like to add that I find it pretty strange that she sang “To Love You More” in all 4 US tours she has done since the song was released (for different reasons), especially considering it wasn’t even such a big hit there. What a coincidence...

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

I completely agree with everything you said! I would just like to add that I find it pretty strange that she sang “To Love You More” in all 4 US tours she has done since the song was released (for different reasons), especially considering it wasn’t even such a big hit there. What a coincidence...

 

Well, I lived through that time and I remember TLYM being a HUGE adult contemporary hit. I heard it on the radio all the time for 5-6 months. Also, it’s on LTAL which had MHWGO so many people bought that album and are familiar with it. Plus, her FIY tour was such as success and she had performed it during that tour - which was super odd because it wasn’t released here yet. She must really love that song!

[stone]

I completely agree with everything you said! I would just like to add that I find it pretty strange that she sang “To Love You More” in all 4 US tours she has done since the song was released (for different reasons), especially considering it wasn’t even such a big hit there. What a coincidence...

 

It was actually #1 on all adult contemporary formats for 8 weeks and #11 on Billboard's Hot 100 Airplay. Not bad for a single that never had a physical release in the U.S.

[Céline RO]

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Well, I lived through that time and I remember TLYM being a HUGE adult contemporary hit. I heard it on the radio all the time for 5-6 months. Also, it's on LTAL which had MHWGO so many people bought that album and are familiar with it. Plus, her FIY tour was such as success and she had performed it during that tour - which was super odd because it wasn't released here yet. She must really love that song!

 

I didn’t live in the US at the time (I never have) so I can’t know for sure but what I do know is that TLYM didn’t even make it into the Billboard Hot 100 while other songs such as “Nothing Broken But My Heart” or “(If There Was) Any Other Way” which got way higher up the charts were not performed nearly as much... I do think that TLYM only really became famous because Céline (her team) included it in so many projects (3 albums, 4 world tours, 2 residencies, several live albums/videos, etc.) It seems they really loved this song and were desperate to make it successful.

 

The reason why I called it a coincidence is because, most likely, the reason why Céline chose to include TLYM in the Courage World Tour setlist is because 1. They have a relatively new playback track that they want to exploit, 2. Philippe gets his own special moment in the show that has been rehearsed and perfected over the past year. Therefore, it’s pretty much a coincidence.

Edited January 14, 2020 at 09:54 PM by Céline RO

[stone]

I didn’t live in the US at the time (I never have) so I can’t know for sure but what I do know is that TLYM didn’t even make it into the Billboard Hot 100 while other songs such as “Nothing Broken But My Heart” or “(If There Was) Any Other Way” which got way higher up the charts were not performed nearly as much... I do think that TLYM only really became famous because Céline (her team) included it in so many projects (3 albums, 4 world tours, 2 residencies, several live albums/videos, etc.) It seems they really loved this song and were desperate to make it successful.

 

The reason why I called it a coincidence is because, most likely, the reason why Céline chose to include TLYM in the Courage World Tour setlist is because 1. They have a relatively new playback track that they want to exploit, 2. Philippe gets his own special moment in the show. Therefore, it’s pretty much a coincidence.

 

It was not allowed to be on the Top 100 list because there was no physical release of the single. It was only sent to radio and it was #11 on the Top 100 Airplay.

[Céline RO]

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It was not allowed to be on the Top 100 list because there was no physical release of the single. It was only sent to radio and it was #11 on the Top 100 Airplay.

 

Oh, I forgot to take that into account, my bad. Still not as successful though as WDMHBN which was not performed for 14 years or IYAMT which was ignored for 22!

[Rokijo]

Yes, i remember hearing TLYM constantly on the radio back in the day. Plus, I know its hard to believe, but Mtv and VH-1 use to play Celine videos, especially VH-1. She was on VH-1 honors, at the height of Falling into You, they showed her performance of TLYM from that tour. VH-1 constantly played that video in their rotation. It became quite popular in the states, considering it wasn't an official single.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Yes, i remember hearing TLYM constantly on the radio back in the day. Plus, I know its hard to believe, but Mtv and VH-1 use to play Celine videos, especially VH-1. She was on VH-1 honors, at the height of Falling into You, they showed her performance of TLYM from that tour. VH-1 constantly played that video in their rotation. It became quite popular in the states, considering it wasn't an official single.

 

I remember that too. They played the video (live clip from the tour) CONSTANTLY!!

[Dertz1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwv7TAewzA

[scielle]

Another nicely-written review:

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[scielle]

Some interesting bits in this article, from an LV journalist who I believe has historically had pretty good intel: https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/celine-dion-a-hit-in-las-vegas-takes-the-show-on-the-road-1935445/

 

"Backstage staffers remark about how [Rene] always called each member of her touring entourage every Christmas."

 

"Dion’s touring apparatus requires 20 trucks and buses and more than 160 employees at each venue. The musicians, including trombonist Nathan Tanouye and sax man Eric Tewalt of Las Vegas, take long bus trips covering up to 12 hours. That was the duration of the overnight drive from Nashville to Tampa, Florida, where Dion plays Wednesday night. The bus is outfitted with curtained, individual sleeping quarters, known as “coffins.” They look pretty cozy, actually."

 

"Dion is booked through the end of April. But she is expected to add dates this fall, and through the end of the year. She might even extend to next spring. There are still some regions of this planet — including South America — where Dion has not performed"

 

"But Dion is building an estate at The Summit, a regal location and a commitment."

 

"She trains before each show [...] She also performs two-hour vocal exercises, and an hourlong sound check, prior to every performance. That does not factor in the actual show."

 

"After the show, Dion rushed to meet a 13-year-old girl from Nashville, name of Ava Kate Clark, backstage just before boarding an SUV to leave the arena. Ava has Down Syndrome. She and her parents were pointed out to Dion’s security detail by a local Special Olympics official. The security guard then led Ava to a prime location backstage, in line with Dion’s musicians and support staff as they greeted her after another sparkling show."

Within minutes, just off the stage, Dion changed from the white-taffeta dress she wears to close the show to a black-and-white outfit from her Célinununu line. She ran to the young girl, hugged her, pumped her fists and posed for photos. Then she she was gone. It was a fleeting, powerful moment. When the singer left, everyone looked at each other, as if wanting more. The great ones do that."

 

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[scielle]

The only thing I could find is this: https://www.ukmix.or.../page71<br />But I don't know if that results in not singing the new songs on stage?

 

See here.

 

And to re-iterate, it's the venue, not the performing artist, who pays public performance royalties to PROs (who then distribute these to songwriters and publishers).

 

Also, just re-reading my initial response to you and sorry if sounds snarky; wasn't intended to be!

My point was there are lots of very incorrect theories circulating out there about how music publishing works, and it's a complicated and heavily regulated industry.

[maki_Dion-er]

"She trains before each show [...] She also performs two-hour vocal exercises, and an hourlong sound check, prior to every performance. That does not factor in the actual show."

 

Anyone that says Celine is lazy can just shut up now. This woman is anything but lazy, she has so much dedication and love for what she does.

I can't imagine talking for one hour let alone use my voice for close to five hours straight. Even if that includes breaks it's a lot of work, and then to travel daily, and the pressure and energy she needs to entertain 10,000+ people 4 times a week. I give presentations every other day in my university and I am stressed af, I can't imagine her. I mean, maybe it comes easy to her because she's an extrovert and being on stage entertaining is something she loves to do but it still requires a lot from the person doing it.

 

That video of the little girl going to Celine excitedly and hugging her is one of the cutest things I've seen.

I wonder, do her musicians/team send her off like this every night? That's really nice and shows how much they all care about and respect her.

[manu23]

Anyone that says Celine is lazy can just shut up now. This woman is anything but lazy, she has so much dedication and love for what she does.

I can't imagine talking for one hour let alone use my voice for close to five hours straight. Even if that includes breaks it's a lot of work, and then to travel daily, and the pressure and energy she needs to entertain 10,000+ people 4 times a week. I give presentations every other day in my university and I am stressed af, I can't imagine her. I mean, maybe it comes easy to her because she's an extrovert and being on stage entertaining is something she loves to do but it still requires a lot from the person doing it.

 

That video of the little girl going to Celine excitedly and hugging her is one of the cutest things I've seen.

I wonder, do her musicians/team send her off like this every night? That's really nice and shows how much they all care about and respect her.

 

Exactly. Her levels of discipline and work ethic are impressive. Imagine having all the money in the world, all the fame, all those albums sold and still being so committed to always delivering the best you can. I might not agree with all decisions made in her career, but to me there is more good than bad and I can only respect her for how much she gives us.

[browseceline]

 

See here.

 

And to re-iterate, it's the venue, not the performing artist, who pays public performance royalties to PROs (who then distribute these to songwriters and publishers).

 

Also, just re-reading my initial response to you and sorry if sounds snarky; wasn't intended to be!

My point was there are lots of very incorrect theories circulating out there about how music publishing works, and it's a complicated and heavily regulated industry.

 

yes it did haha but it’s okay

 

 

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[browseceline]

 

Exactly. Her levels of discipline and work ethic are impressive. Imagine having all the money in the world, all the fame, all those albums sold and still being so committed to always delivering the best you can. I might not agree with all decisions made in her career, but to me there is more good than bad and I can only respect her for how much she gives us.

 

lazy setlist not lazy routine and everything beside it - she is definately a routined singer and works hard for the money. But lazy in terms of recycling older tours and mot coming up with more never sung before or new songs. Lazy put together - that is the right word.

 

 

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[TiagoFragoso05]

https://youtu.be/9cA-HbABoOo

 

 

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[emi&celine]

Both shows in Antwerp (28 & 30 May) are SOLD OUT!

 

https://www.greenhousetalent.com/befr/agenda/celine-dion

[Jeanette]

Have noticed she’s changed her cordless mic again since her return after Christmas break. This must be the 4th or 5th type now, this tour. I really do wonder what the deal is with her and the cordless mic? I know she says she prefers the corded mic but she used the Sennheiser one for years previous to this superstition or whatever it is that made her revert back to a corded mic.

 

I have gotta say I’m not a fan of the corded mic, I just don’t know why she wants to lug all that cabling around with her. I also think the switching back and forward between the two, spoils any spontaneity in using the catwalks.

 

 

[jpatdeleon09]

Have noticed she’s changed her cordless mic again since her return after Christmas break. This must be the 4th or 5th type now, this tour. I really do wonder what the deal is with her and the cordless mic? I know she says she prefers the corded mic but she used the Sennheiser one for years previous to this superstition or whatever it is that made her revert back to a corded mic.

 

I have gotta say I’m not a fan of the corded mic, I just don’t know why she wants to lug all that cabling around with her. I also think the switching back and forward between the two, spoils any spontaneity in using the catwalks.

 

She will stop using corded mic when the time comes (if she tripped big time because of the long messy wires).

[AdrienneM]

Have noticed she’s changed her cordless mic again since her return after Christmas break. This must be the 4th or 5th type now, this tour. I really do wonder what the deal is with her and the cordless mic? I know she says she prefers the corded mic but she used the Sennheiser one for years previous to this superstition or whatever it is that made her revert back to a corded mic.

 

I have gotta say I’m not a fan of the corded mic, I just don’t know why she wants to lug all that cabling around with her. I also think the switching back and forward between the two, spoils any spontaneity in using the catwalks.

 

Also the fact that shes using a corded mic looks cheaper and kind of damages the fresh, modern image of the tour

 

And yeah, from 1999 to 2012 she used only Cordless mics in her concerts it was only in mid-late 2013 she started to revert back to corded, then 2015 to Jan 2016 back to corded, all of 2016 except the 1000th show leg, then all of 2017 up until the mid point of the summer tour it was cordless, back to the cordless mic from September 2017- May 2018, back to corded all the way up to March 2019, back to cordless, stayed cordless until Montreal this year now shes doing the weird switch thing

Edited January 15, 2020 at 09:40 PM by AdrienneM

[incognito]

Céline was great in Tampa. The crowd not so much. The people in front of me left early. 6 of them. They hated every second it seemed. And that was before I started screaming...feeling embarrassed by such a lame crowd front and center.

[queenofvegas]

Céline was great in Tampa. The crowd not so much. The people in front of me left early. 6 of them. They hated every second it seemed. And that was before I started screaming...feeling embarrassed by such a lame crowd front and center.

 

How people can be so blatantly disrespectful to the queen of music blows my mind.

[browseceline]

 

How people can be so blatantly disrespectful to the queen of music blows my mind.

Maybe they expected something new?

 

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