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jpatdeleon09 Enthusiast

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So what did we learn from all of this...

 

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maki_Dion-er Newbie

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I think what you don’t get is it’s a simple opportunity to easily LOSE money.

 

 

 

Production, manufacturing, distribution, royalties, copyright, marketing and other opex… there’s no margin there.

 

What use to work when you were moving volumes and had global physical distribution channels (which many labels no longer do) doesn’t make sense in 2021 when there are higher margins to be had elsewhere.

 

DVDs/Blu rays are still being released because there's a market for it, even if it is smaller than before. Just as Vinyls are released for collectors. There will always be people that want physical releases.

They clearly have an idea of the amount of demand there is for Celine DVDs/Blu rays so the simple solution is that if they know, for example, 50,000 people will buy a physical release then they can produce 100,000 instead of 500,000.

 

But okay, let's say there's no plausible way of giving fans a physical release. What's holding them back on streaming?

A simple fan video can garner over 1 million views on youtube. Imagine the numbers on a big platform like Netflix, Hulu, etc.

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Social media has created little monsters who never have enough! :P

Does she always have to be posting about stuff that maybe 50k to 100k people will like if she's lucky? She doesn't really need that at this point in her career. She can keep it for special occasion and I'm totally fine with that. Social media is not real life people. :giggle: Don't waste your life on it is my suggestion to young people. You're welcome! :D

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DVDs/Blu rays are still being released because there's a market for it, even if it is smaller than before. Just as Vinyls are released for collectors. There will always be people that want physical releases.

They clearly have an idea of the amount of demand there is for Celine DVDs/Blu rays so the simple solution is that if they know, for example, 50,000 people will buy a physical release then they can produce 100,000 instead of 500,000.

 

But okay, let's say there's no plausible way of giving fans a physical release. What's holding them back on streaming?

A simple fan video can garner over 1 million views on youtube. Imagine the numbers on a big platform like Netflix, Hulu, etc.

 

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DVDs/Blu rays are still being released because there's a market for it, even if it is smaller than before. Just as Vinyls are released for collectors. There will always be people that want physical releases.

They clearly have an idea of the amount of demand there is for Celine DVDs/Blu rays so the simple solution is that if they know, for example, 50,000 people will buy a physical release then they can produce 100,000 instead of 500,000.

 

But okay, let's say there's no plausible way of giving fans a physical release. What's holding them back on streaming?

A simple fan video can garner over 1 million views on youtube. Imagine the numbers on a big platform like Netflix, Hulu, etc.

 

Yes, why don't they upload a 2017 Mini Tour concert, the Hyde Park concert and a Docu on YT or Netflix??? I hope they will do sth. for her 40th stage anniversary this year.

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Chantemoi Newbie

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Amen.

I'm glad she's got her priorities straight; ultimately it's what has kept her around for so long and as successful as she is. If I were lucky enough to be in her position I probably would have retired years ago. I'm just glad she truly loves performing and so have faith she will continue doing it for years to come.

 

And I'm perpetually amused by people asking for DVDs :giggle: In 2021! Do y'all not understand it's a loss-making endeavour?

 

What’s truly a loss is paying crews to film and edit your concert footage and then shelving it. If they already paid filming crew, how does releasing it onto streaming platforms (or a cheap plastic disc and charging $20) create a loss of revenue? Please enlighten us.

 

(Personally, I’d rather buy that at her merch booth than an ugly tumbler with “My heart will go on because you loved me” scribbled onto it. But that’s just me… we all have our own tastes.)

 

To me it’s just such a pity that fans can’t purchase pro-footage of Céline Dion, still top of her game, since AND… Live in Las Vegas. Almost all of her iconic performances since 2007 have been on available only as low quality fan shots on YouTube.

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ryba Enthusiast

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What's truly a loss is paying crews to film and edit your concert footage and then shelving it. If they already paid filming crew, how does releasing it onto streaming platforms (or a cheap plastic disc and charging $20) create a loss of revenue? Please enlighten us.

 

(Personally, I'd rather buy that at her merch booth than an ugly tumbler with "My heart will go on because you loved me" scribbled onto it. But that's just me… we all have our own tastes.)

 

To me it's just such a pity that fans can't purchase pro-footage of Céline Dion, still top of her game, since AND… Live in Las Vegas. Almost all of her iconic performances since 2007 have been on available only as low quality fan shots on YouTube.

I really think that the reason why there are no more professional releases is that they want to create lack and hunger and make people realize that the only way to experience her talent is to buy a ticket to her live show. Yet, everything is still taped just in case so that she would be able to release it and make money off of it, maybe when she will not perform live anymore or won't be able to, or maybe when she is gone and her kids need some cash they will have something to make money with. Edited by ryba
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I really think that the reason why there are no more professional releases is that they want to create lack and hunger and make people realize that the only way to experience her talent is to buy a ticket to her live show. Yet, everything is still taped just in case so that she would be able to release it and make money off of it, maybe when she will not perform live anymore or won't be able to, or maybe when she is gone and her kids need some cash they will have something to make money with.

 

I think you're 100 percent correct.

PuraVida Enthusiast

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I really think that the reason why there are no more professional releases is that they want to create lack and hunger and make people realize that the only way to experience her talent is to buy a ticket to her live show. Yet, everything is still taped just in case so that she would be able to release it and make money off of it, maybe when she will not perform live anymore or won't be able to, or maybe when she is gone and her kids need some cash they will have something to make money with.

 

If it's a new show, as Celine always says it will be, then fans will want to go see it. As if she has ever had trouble selling before. Moreover, that wouldn't explain her releases before....releasing the A New Day Live in Vegas right before the Taking Chances Tour, and then that DVD right after that.

 

If that is the reason, all the more reason to release old treasures or the recording sessions. Taylor Swift released her recording sessions recently to Disney Plus. Barbbra Streisand is putting up videos to explain each of the songs on her upcoming album of previously unreleased material, her second album with this concept.

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When will people stop trying to make Celine be an artist other than Celine. Just because other artists do things, doesn’t mean Celine will do them. SHE DOESN’T WANT TO!!! And if she doesn’t want to, SONY DOESN’T WANT TO EITHER!!

 

What will it take for people on this forum to get that through their thick heads??!!

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scielle Rookie

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What’s truly a loss is paying crews to film and edit your concert footage and then shelving it. If they already paid filming crew, how does releasing it onto streaming platforms (or a cheap plastic disc and charging $20) create a loss of revenue? Please enlighten us.

 

Streaming? Absolutely.

I’m talking specifically about physical, since the topic is DVDs.

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When will people stop trying to make Celine be an artist other than Celine. Just because other artists do things, doesn't mean Celine will do them. SHE DOESN'T WANT TO!!! And if she doesn't want to, SONY DOESN'T WANT TO EITHER!!

 

What will it take for people on this forum to get that through their thick heads??!!

Didn't you know that if Barb is doing something, Céline HAS no choice but do it too? :P
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jpatdeleon09 Enthusiast

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It’s not because she’s black. I mean Hello she’s more famous than Céline back in early 90’s. Excuses. But I still love her :)

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Interesting comment from Patti. Strange, because Black artists did well back then (and still do) on the charts. Anything with a R&B vide was going up the charts. Céline had a harder time getting Top 10 hits.

 

I don't understand one sentence she says though. "Hers was... and mine was..." Anyone?

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Interesting comment from Patti. Strange, because Black artists did well back then (and still do) on the charts. Anything with a R&B vide was going up the charts. Céline had a harder time getting Top 10 hits.

 

I don't understand one sentence she says though. "Hers was... and mine was..." Anyone?

 

Hers sold billions, mine sold maybe a hundred

 

Dolly must think if she were a black woman, I Will Always Love You would have been her hit. And if Eric Carmen were a woman, his ABM would have sold millions as well.

Celine was the one having a hard time back then, not Patti..

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smw Newbie

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Hers sold billions, mine sold maybe a hundred

 

Dolly must think if she were a black woman, I Will Always Love You would have been her hit. And if Eric Carmen were a woman, his ABM would have sold millions as well.

Celine was the one having a hard time back then, not Patti..

 

Agreed.

It's problematic for Patti to say / claim things like she's saying.

And I think (& hope!) most people understand that.

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It wasn't because she is black. Some of the biggest names in music history has been (and is) black. Let's just take Michael Jackson, he was a bigger star than everyone.

 

And what about Whitney Houston? Then I suppose I Will Always Love You would have been 10 times more successful if Whitney was white also? Patti needs a reality check.

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scielle Rookie

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There’s more to the interview than the clip in that tweet. See the YouTube link (they talk about IYAMT at around 14min).

Or you can read about it on the Q site -

 

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/thursday-july-8-2021-patti-labelle-tara-beagan-and-more-1.6092991/patti-labelle-says-she-cooked-for-elton-john-before-he-was-famous-and-he-never-returned-her-tupperware-1.6093316

 

“Another of LaBelle's friends who achieved superstardom is Céline Dion, who covered the soul singer's 1989 hit If You Asked Me To just three years after the original song was released.

 

"I was so happy to hear her version because she's one of the [greatest] singers ever," LaBelle told Power. "And when she did it exactly like me, it was a blessing to me. I said, 'Wow.' We talked about it because we are friends. And I said, 'Girlfriend, you killed it.'"

 

But the reception to Dion's version was vastly different from the reception to LaBelle's: the French Canadian singer's cover was a huge commercial success, despite it having a note-for-note arrangement that matched the original recording.

 

"They were very much the same, but the difference is hers sold billions. Mine sold maybe 100," LaBelle said wryly. "That was the difference. And I said at the time that maybe if I was a white girl doing it before she did, maybe I would've had the success that she had with it. And I never pull anything from her success because she's phenomenal, but I had to listen and think, 'OK, we're doing it quite alike.'"

Celinelife Newbie

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That's a very unprofessional thing...to have like some jealousy against someone who did your cover.
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That's a very unprofessional thing...to have like some jealousy against someone who did your cover.

 

It's not jealousy towards Celine, she says that. It's displeasure with the industry. She feels race highly influences who and what gets popular, and she is completely right. Their versions are very similar and their vocal abilites are very similar.

 

Patti is a bit jaded because she had that happen to her many times in her career, but I think she has a point. It's not like Celine reinvented the wheel with that song. That said, it is impossible to know, there are no alternate universes or counterfactuals you can pull.

 

Other songs that Celine covered already did very well on the charts. Power of Love did very well previously, All by Myself was #1 back in its original day. As for I Will Always Love you with Whitney Houston was already a #1 country record for Dolly and was remade in a totally different, pop style later on.

 

The unpredictable factor is how much a record label with support you and push the single, and I have no doubt that a young white singer who sings well would get more support than a middle aged black singer who sings well, especially in those days. I'm pretty sure that's what Dianne Warren said, that Patti's record label didn't do anything with it.

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Patti’s version was also tied in with a mediocre James Bond film. Perhaps it just wasn’t the right time and place for that song.

 

Also, I’d say it has more to do with age than anything. The public favours younger singers over older ones. Céline was fresh and young (as well as her voice) whereas Patti was past her prime —as far as the media’s spotlight goes. Kinda like how Courage went mostly unnoticed by the public.

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Dancing_Queen Enthusiast

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I think the crucial part here is 'young' vs. 'middle-aged' tbh.

 

Patti's version could've been a success if she had been younger.

 

ETA: posted at the same time as Chantemoi, looks like we made the same point 😊

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jpatdeleon09 Enthusiast

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That’s why don’t be bitter. Céline is not like that. They’re in the music business for so long. Glad Céline understood that Edited by jpatdeleon09
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To me, Patti's version doesn't sound much like Céline's - which is more pop and smoother to my ears.
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Well this is interesting. Seems they’re trying to make the 40th anniversary a thing. Honestly, didn’t expect that.

 

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Celinelife Newbie

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Was she making/shooting something? There is a photography background...

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jpatdeleon09 Enthusiast

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l98n2OQ3Qbw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8WJfUCT3uQ

 

Yes, Celine's Pop version is more pleasant to my ears.

 

Patti always changing the tune of the song

 

This is what she’s doing now with PQTME and it doesn’t sound good for me. Stick to the original tune.

 

Like this one

 

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