"Ashes" - from Deadpool 2 - Official Topic

[Moleque20]

Damn these Voice performances... Celine has fallen 10 places already in the iTunes USA. I hope she goes higher.

[Mark-UK]

I think the song is performing great in the USA! The voice performances will drop out after today. Would be good to see ashes return to iTunes top 10. I am hoping she climbs the AC chart too xx

[Ronny83]

Wouldn't it be amazing if TeamCeline decides to stream the beginning of her show tonight, where she would eventually perform "Ashes"?

[Moleque20]

Wouldn't it be amazing if TeamCeline decides to stream the beginning of her show tonight, where she would eventually perform "Ashes"?

 

TC is the Microsoft Edge/Explorer amongst the official sites of the A-class singers.

[Davey84]

Wouldn't it be amazing if TeamCeline decides to stream the beginning of her show tonight, where she would eventually perform "Ashes"?

 

Yeah and not only cos of Ashes, but also cos she returns after a long time and after her surgery!!

 

Who knows. They have done it before, but I wouldn't count on it

[mirage]

She had a manager back then who knew how social media works.

 

Now she is just back to who?!

 

 

 

Yeah and not only cos of Ashes, but also cos she returns after a long time and after her surgery!!

 

Who knows. They have done it before, but I wouldn't count on it

[Ronny83]

I posted a tweet about it. You never know.

 

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[Javito]

It’s kind of embarrassing that her fans have to ask (almost plead) Celine and her team every time she releases a new single, that she includes it and performs it in her shows. That should be taken for granted on a normal scenery, when someone has a new single released, she performs it?

 

Sorry but I’m not entering that pleading chain that has proven to reach deaf ears in Celine’s team -they’ll do whatever they want in the end

 

 

[justinecoria]

I went to see Deadpool 2 this week-end (in France), and Celine's song was in the movie. After 20 minutes, you've got Ashes playing and Deadpool doing stupid moves during a fake opening credits.

[Ronny83]

It's kind of embarrassing that her fans have to ask (almost plead) Celine and her team every time she releases a new single, that she includes it and performs it in her shows. That should be taken for granted on a normal scenery, when someone has a new single released, she performs it?

 

Sorry but I'm not entering that pleading chain that has proven to reach deaf ears in Celine's team -they'll do whatever they want in the end

 

Yes, it's frustating. But that's what fans do.

[Javito]

Yeah, that’s what they do when there’s an interaction and feedback between the artist/team and her fanbase. But with Celine’s case the communication in this sense is nonexistent. They never ask her fans what they want to listen, never ask what they like most, they never ask anything.

[DionFanAlways]

Yeah, that's what they do when there's an interaction and feedback between the artist/team and her fanbase. But with Celine's case the communication in this sense is nonexistent. They never ask her fans what they want to listen, never ask what they like most, they never ask anything.

They have asked.......maybe a couple of times...... they just don't do anything with it......

[Xpresso]

Before singing Ashes live for the first time (and streaming it), I think Céline wants to get used to singing with her "new ear"...

[justinecoria]

Yeah, that's what they do when there's an interaction and feedback between the artist/team and her fanbase. But with Celine's case the communication in this sense is nonexistent. They never ask her fans what they want to listen, never ask what they like most, they never ask anything.

With all due respect, since when did fans become experts in anything? You're all like 'we don't hear her on the radio', but which radio would want her to play between the likes of Nicki Minaj or 20-year old bimbos? I'm 32, I don't listen to the radio much anymore, bc it's not the kind of music I like. That's not where I listen to music.

She's getting a lot of views on Youtube, tons of articles, lots of references from Ryan Reynolds, and she's in again. That's already a looooot for someone her age/caliber who sings ballads.

About the playlist of her LV shows, they've been doing it for 7 years. No one could have expected such a success. I guess this is a proof that they know what they are doing. Most of the people who attend Celine's shows are not fans, so it would be a mistake to put songs that fans want. They will definitely put Ashes soon, but it takes time to add a song in a show.

[Javito]

I don’t expect anything from Ashes... I never said nor I demanded her to include it in Vegas or be played on radios... because I know this song is no radio material

 

If they didn’t send to radios other potential songs that were begging to be singles and be played on radios, why should anyone here expect Ashes to be played on radios? It just won’t happen. It won’t happen until she comes with the right song and the right promotion, and that remains to be seen since 2007 (and yet when she has the songs they send another cover to radios, so...)

Edited May 22, 2018 at 10:37 AM by Javito

[Xpresso]

The problem is not the song itself, which is very radio friendly in my opinion. The problem is that a 50-year old doesn't get played much on radio nowadays... If Ashes was performed by Adele, it would be played by all the biggest radio stations. Ageist radio culture...

At least some AC stations seem to be supporting Ashes!! Hope it keeps growing.

Edited May 22, 2018 at 10:42 AM by Xpresso

[Javito]

1) Wait for Madonna’s new album

 

2) Agree with the Adele comparison, but that’s only because Adele has a starting career with only 3 albums and she came as a beam of light among a world of teens and young singers that all sing the same styles/sexual songs and she proved a young girl not posing naked can also sing beautiful ballads.

 

However, Celine has a 35 year career and 20+ albums sending 99% of times the same type of songs to radios = radios don’t play her anymore. Radios know she can deliver ballads. Now let’s show them she can also sing more stuff. But they didn’t jump on that train (only with TTWII and ANDHC). So radios ignore her, because she doesn’t offer anything new with her music.

 

Wait for Adele to keep sending more Hellos and Someone Like Yous within 5 years and you’ll see that radios don’t pay attention to her anymore either.

 

The matter here is the novelty, that’s what radios care about, for a short period of time. If you send too much of the same thing, you’ll tire them and they just won’t care anymore.

 

If you have belted a hundred of ballads and you deliver an uptempo/dance song for a change, chances are that the public will receive that song with open arms because it’s a break from the same thing you do. Same happens with singers that have started singing all uptempo/dance songs and they release a ballad for a change as a single. What happens? Radios are still interested and they play it, because it something different to discover that singer.

 

Celine can sing dance and great catchy uptempo songs, but the problem is that the public doesn’t know that image of her, and she doesn’t believe she can deliver those songs greatly too. She and her team always insist on the dramatic ballads. And covers. And hence radios won’t care anymore about them.

 

That’s what Celine has failed when sending her singles to radios since 2007. All the potential singles that were radio material were totally ignored in Taking Chances. Same happened with LMBTL. Will they ever learn?

Edited May 22, 2018 at 10:54 AM by Javito

[alexceline]

1) Wait for Madonna’s new album

 

 

You do know that Madonna denounced the ageism in radios when she released her last album because they would just not play her song even though she was promoting like crazy right?

I'm sure it was played more than Celine's lol but it's still a fact that radios won't play a song of a +50 year old woman unfortunately

Edited May 22, 2018 at 10:51 AM by alexceline

[Xpresso]

I think the issue is more "too much of the same person" rather than "too much of the same thing (music)".

They played Céline like crazy in the 90's so many thought it was much too much. The same will happen to Adele eventually even if she does something different. And I doubt Madonna will get much radio play either. She's 60...

Edited May 22, 2018 at 10:53 AM by Xpresso

[CSCfan]

You do know that Madonna denounced the ageism in radios when she released her last album because they would just not play her song even though she was promoting like crazy right?

I'm sure it was played more than Celine's lol but it's still a fact that radios won't play a song of a +50 year old woman unfortunately

 

And that's why it's so important to focus on streaming (and YouTube). Radio is already a sunken ship with Céline (pun intended). Her team and Sony should focus on getting her streams and views up.

[Javito]

And filming videoclips. Good videoclips with a story behind.

 

Even if Madonna is not played as she was 10 years ago, the radio attention she gets today (even in her late 40s) is something that Celine has never known at only 35 (when radios stopped caring about her music).

Edited May 22, 2018 at 10:58 AM by Javito

[Xpresso]

Sony should hire summer students to stream Céline's songs! I'm sure some labels use similar techniques...

[Xpresso]

Madonna is 60!! And she's not getting radio attention. She was pissed about it the last time... imagine this time around.

When Céline was 35, she was still getting decent radio attention. Let's hope the Ashes remix will spike things up!

[isurrender]

The problem is not the song itself, which is very radio friendly in my opinion. The problem is that a 50-year old doesn't get played much on radio nowadays... If Ashes was performed by Adele, it would be played by all the biggest radio stations. Ageist radio culture...

At least some AC stations seem to be supporting Ashes!! Hope it keeps growing.

 

I don't have the feeling that Adele's last singles (after Hello) were that played. Sure more than Celine's but it isn't hard to do better. 😁

[celine19]

The next half a million.....23.500.000 views!!

[justinecoria]

You can't compare Madonna and Celine. Madonna tries to be modern, will show herself naked in front of the camera, will kiss other girls, and for that matter will be "in". She will also have good video clips. We should compare Celine to Barbra, Aretha, Whitney. And Celine is still here, being talked about on big shows. She's a legend. What's happening right now with Deadpool 2 is already so much more than anyone would expect.

As for Adele, it's a different story. She's young, she's fun, funny, relates to young people and she's not the goofy mom that Celine is. Besides, apart from Hello which is one of the most viewed video clip on Youtube, I don't remember her recent singles being played that much on the radio. Didn't prevent 'When We Were Young' from being successful.

And I would like to know how many people here who complain about Celine not being played on the radio, even listen to the radio? It's a different target. I didn't need the radio to listen to Adele, and I don't need it to listen to Celine.

Edited May 22, 2018 at 11:53 AM by justinecoria

[manu23]

Radios won't play Celine no matter what, same with Madonna, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera or even Britney Spears. Europe might be different but USA radio is really ageist and things are much worst now than 10 years ago. Even AC plays only young artists nowadays. But this has nothing to do with Celine singing ballads, is Hello more radio friendly than Ashes? I doubt it. But who cares about radio in 2018 anyway She is stronger than any of her peers on YouTube and her Spotify streams are in line with Mariah and higher that Madonna, so any efforts should be put on streaming platforms.

[Moleque20]

It was the last chance for Celine to have a worldwide top40 hit. Streaming, views and radio killed her. She can only be resurrected from the dead if she becomes a featured artist in a duet with a hot singer.

[mirage]

This

 

The problem is not the song itself, which is very radio friendly in my opinion. The problem is that a 50-year old doesn't get played much on radio nowadays... If Ashes was performed by Adele, it would be played by all the biggest radio stations. Ageist radio culture...

At least some AC stations seem to be supporting Ashes!! Hope it keeps growing.

[A new day...]

Wait for Adele to keep sending more Hellos and Someone Like Yous within 5 years and you'll see that radios don't pay attention to her anymore either.

 

Sure thing.