Céline Dion Live 2017 (tour) - Official Topic

July 17, 2017 at 05:01 AM

For those who did not, they are incredible entertainers who knew how to entertain a crowd. However, some of the singers you mentioned did write some of their own material, as well as be far more involved in their music's creation than Celine has/does.

Maria Callas did write operas? Elvis? Frank Sinatra who were singing every song under the sun... They did not write their own songs. As to being more involved , it is a matter of opinion.

July 17, 2017 at 05:06 AM

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling as opposed to Celine who commited artistic fraud by using a song, an organization and songwriters just to get ahead. Shania even did an entire campaign with Febreze using songs she herself co-wrote with Mutt. Shania is and always has been far more involved with the art she brings to this planet than Celine has. Celine continuously relies on others to write for her, choose her singles, etc.

Um, that's what those songwriters are there for. Without people like her, they wouldn't make as much or be as successful in their career as she is. And that's great for Shania, I did not know that. That adds to my respect for her. :thumbsup2:

And yes, I do wish Celine was a bit more involved in choosing singals, I will admit that. But I can't deny the soul she puts in to her singing. No doubt she could be more involved, I don't disagree with you there, sir. I don't.

July 17, 2017 at 05:07 AM

After reading some of these comments, I was nervous to watch the Bern videos.

But what I've so far has been great! The only awkward thing is the fact that it starts during daylight so, of course, that isn't as exciting for this kind of show. I wish for all the outdoor concerts, they'd wait until nighttime for the full effect but I understand that's not always logistically possible.

Celine sounded & looked fabulous. Seemed like a great concert to me! I would've been thrilled to be there. French & English songs! Jealous!!

July 17, 2017 at 05:12 AM

Regarding Shania -- I like her & all but her talent pales compared to Celine's. Celine Dion's vocals ALONE are for the history books. Maybe if Celine's voice wasn't this crystalline once in a lifetime masterpiece then she'd feel more compelled & obligated to write songs / be more involved with production aspects in order to make up for lackluster vocals (Shania, modern day Mariah).

But Celine Dion's bilingual Iconic career and legendary voice speaks for itself. Not to mention her work ethic and number of live concerts is unprecedented for most artists.

;)

Edited July 17, 2017 at 05:13 AM by smw

July 17, 2017 at 05:18 AM

Regarding Shania -- I like her & all but her talent pales compared to Celine's. Celine Dion's vocals ALONE are for the history books. Maybe if Celine's voice wasn't this crystalline once in a lifetime masterpiece then she'd feel more compelled & obligated to write songs / be more involved with production aspects in order to make up for lackluster vocals (Shania, modern day Mariah).

But Celine Dion's bilingual Iconic career and legendary voice speaks for itself. Not to mention her work ethic and number of live concerts is unprecedented for most artists.

;)

100 percent agree with all of this. i don't like the idea that she relies on her voice to make up for/compensate for everything else she doesn't have/do, but with a voice like that, a once in a lifetime, never going to come again voice, she can do that, get away with that. And she may not be quite as involved as some think she could be, but even people who are involved to that degree that some want her to be, they may not work as hard. I was a huuuuuge fan of Shanie when she was actually country. If anyone wants to call Celine a sell-out, what I can't get behind is someone switching genres. I think that kinda hurt Shania's career a bit. Now I realize this is not the Shania forum, and I do think she is a talented songwriter and I do respect her. Truly! I also agree with the post I'm quoting about modern day Mariah. I know there are a lot of fans here so not going to insult her, and she also writes her own songs and, I believe, plays the piano? So no insult meant but I do agree about her voice these days.

July 17, 2017 at 06:08 AM

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling as opposed to Celine who commited artistic fraud by using a song, an organization and songwriters just to get ahead.

Your argument here is that artists have got to believe in the product they are selling, in order to be authentic and not sell-outs. I can agree with this notion.

However, upon announcement that Celine would launch a Lifestyle Product Brand your very first comment was to draw a parallel between Celine and Hitler, in response to a post arguing how Celine is an artist because she creates emotions and influences people. You did not spend a single moment to examine the extent to which Celine genuinely believed in that particular product line, a fact which would contribute to her authenticity based on what you say today. I see quite the double standard here.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 06:09 AM by LukeD

July 17, 2017 at 06:30 AM

Stylist Law Roach Talks Dressing Céline Dion for Haute Couture Week in Paris

"Fashion should never be forced. Style should be easy and effortless. When you walk into a situation with that mindset like 'it's always going to be great...it's always going to be beautiful.'"

What a great quote. I already had my confidence in Law, but to me...these words solidify the fact that he truly knows what he is doing. Fashion is what he was born to do, and he found his match in Celine. No matter what we think about what she's wearing, she still feels beautiful in it. And that is truly all that matters.

July 17, 2017 at 06:33 AM

I can explain why ME I had the best evening of my life yesterday.

First of all, I was at the first raw.... Just AMAZING to see Céline so close to me. I was very emotional. Plus, where I was, there was a lot of fun ! Everybody stands almost all the concert, and nobody asked me behind me to go down !!! We danced lot, sang a lot, enjoyed a lot.

And also, I was really happy to hear a "mix playlist" even though it was very weird for "Encore un soir" not to be performed !!! But as I go to Nice on Thursday, it was not a negative thing for me. I was sooo happy to hear my favorite song of my teenage years, "That's the way it is". And also "Think twice". woah.

And finally, I sent a "gift" (marshmallows ^^) on stage. The gift just arrived before the stage, I was sad, but Céline saw it and came to pick it !!!!! She was happy to receive marshamallows, made some jokes about it.... I was over the moon.

I loved every single word she said during the show... She was searching for "bears", as it is the "symbol" of Bern ! ^^

Really, I had a wonderful evening and I am very surprised that you said the audiance was bored (or the Céline's team..).

I have to upload photos et videos (but not many videos, as I was front raw with lights, I told myself that Céline was seeing me and didn't want to be behind my phone ^^).

I'm so happy that you were able to put life aside and enjoy your moment! This holiday is only just beginning for you, and it's already started out FABULOUS!!

July 17, 2017 at 06:39 AM

YES! BRING BACK MEGO!!!!!! :innocent: :innocent:

:puke: Mego is old news... #ByeFelicia

July 17, 2017 at 06:56 AM

Which further solidifies my belief it's always been more about being a performer/entertainer and being famous than being an artist. A real artist would never do something so commercialistically hollow.

It was the beginnings of her launching an international career. To be an artist, you want to share your art with as many people as possible. You want people to appreciate your art. Just because it was strategic, doesn't mean she isn't an artist. She recorded the song also in German. After winning the contest, there was really no reason to do that. I think that was rather artistic. Showing her linguistic versatility, and ease in learning how to adapt to sing in languages not native to her tongue. Especially in German, which is one of the hardest languages to even just pronounce, let alone learning to be fluent.

July 17, 2017 at 07:00 AM

When a person sings a song they hate just to go further in the industry, they wipe out all credibility as an authentic artist in my eyes.

I don't want her doing anything to "prove herself" for me or the rest of us. I simply state what my view on artistry is and how her choices align or don't align with that belief. I'm not so self-centered as to think she is kept awake at night hoping she makes "SuperLove4Celine" happy or proud.

Celine also didn't really enjoy WDMHBN. Without that song, her English career would never have been what it is today. BATB wouldn't have happened, she may never have hit number 1 with TPOL, that Grammy for album of the year may never have been a gleam in her eye. That doesn't make her not artistic. Being successful is a lot about strategy. If you just want to be an artist, that's all fine and well. But to be a successful artist, you must be strategic about things.

July 17, 2017 at 07:04 AM

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling as opposed to Celine who commited artistic fraud by using a song, an organization and songwriters just to get ahead. Shania even did an entire campaign with Febreze using songs she herself co-wrote with Mutt. Shania is and always has been far more involved with the art she brings to this planet than Celine has. Celine continuously relies on others to write for her, choose her singles, etc.

I'm sure the Febreze company paid a pretty penny for Shania to not only endorse their product, but also to use her songs to push SCENTED WATER IN A SPRAY BOTTLE. I guarantee if the price wasn't right, she wouldn't have done it. Her management would have told Febreze to "go scratch."

July 17, 2017 at 07:07 AM

And tell us what makes them true artists. I think just because someone doesn't have a few things that make them a true artist, that doesn't mean they're not. One thing I think a true artist is/has is being able to write their own songs. I do, I write my own songs, but you'll never get to hear even one of them because blind WOMEN do not become famous. But that's another thread. But just because she does not write her own songs does not mean she isn't an artist. I also think one can be a true artist and doing whatever they have to do to sell out. When you want fame as badly as I think she did, sometimes you have to and choose to sacrifice your own tastes/integrity. It's no different than you or me. If we want a raise/promotion etc. but we don't agree with something, unless it's illegal, would we not at least consider doing it? I think most of us would. Also, regarding my previous post, I realize NMQP was done in the first incarnation of Celine, and I heard about that interview after Rene's passing. It is sad, and for that reason ONLY, I too hope it never ever ever ever makes a return to any of her setlists. I do agree with you on that, superlove4Celine.

I'd like to hear your songs :flowers:

Edited July 17, 2017 at 07:07 AM by CelinesDIVO5

July 17, 2017 at 07:23 AM

100 percent agree with all of this. i don't like the idea that she relies on her voice to make up for/compensate for everything else she doesn't have/do, but with a voice like that, a once in a lifetime, never going to come again voice, she can do that, get away with that. And she may not be quite as involved as some think she could be, but even people who are involved to that degree that some want her to be, they may not work as hard. I was a huuuuuge fan of Shanie when she was actually country. If anyone wants to call Celine a sell-out, what I can't get behind is someone switching genres. I think that kinda hurt Shania's career a bit. Now I realize this is not the Shania forum, and I do think she is a talented songwriter and I do respect her. Truly! I also agree with the post I'm quoting about modern day Mariah. I know there are a lot of fans here so not going to insult her, and she also writes her own songs and, I believe, plays the piano? So no insult meant but I do agree about her voice these days.

Shania still holds the world record for the highest selling album by a female of all time. She didn't abandon Country. In fact, there were two versions of a few of her hits after her country singles crossed over into top 40, in order to keep a balance between both genres. Her album "Up!" Had separate discs with the original Country versions, and Pop remixes (which still had a country sound) to appease all of her fans. She's credited as one of few Country artists to successfully bring the genre mainstream.

July 17, 2017 at 08:27 AM

Elvis , Frank Sinatra, Maria Callas, Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, Ella Fitgerald, all muppets who did not write their own lyrics...

...

Edited July 17, 2017 at 08:28 AM by DionFanAlways

July 17, 2017 at 08:30 AM

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling as opposed to Celine who commited artistic fraud by using a song, an organization and songwriters just to get ahead. Shania even did an entire campaign with Febreze using songs she herself co-wrote with Mutt. Shania is and always has been far more involved with the art she brings to this planet than Celine has. Celine continuously relies on others to write for her, choose her singles, etc.

Your vision of a artist is very limited.

If Shania is an artist, a very lazy one then. When was the last time she released an album? Yes, now I remember ... it was in 2002 (15 years ago) when she tried to sell her out by going from country to pop to please everyone and be played on radio!

Very artistic move indeed.

I mean it's not like it was a bold move and she stopped after releasing a masterpiece because she couldn't do any better.

OMG! Sometimes I wish Céline didn't do anything after 2002 either , so I wouldn't be here reading some comments.

On top of that, it's not because someone is more "involved" in creation or push more their own material that it means that's good. Sorry. Whether we are talking about Carey or Twain ...it's not like we are talking about Nobel Prize of litterature. Their writing is very basic.

Your speech is quite contradictory and you mix everything up. For example : choosing a single is not artistic at all. A single is what is used to promote an album and make people buy it. That's pure strategy. And if you tell me that Shania choses her singles, I really hope for her as a writer ( as you always come up with that argument) she has better lyrics in her catalogue than the songs she is known for.

That being said, the only time I recall Céline insisted on releasing a specific song (and this case is ironic when we know who write the song :-D :giggle: ) , everybody complained it killed the album's run : Goodbye's.

Which further solidifies my belief it's always been more about being a performer/entertainer and being famous than being an artist. A real artist would never do something so commercialistically hollow.

What kind of thinking is that? You say that talking about "Ne partez pas sans moi"? Really?

There are different paths to be successfull and compromises is one of them.

It's like saying an actor is not a real artist because it did ads before staring in movies.

From the start, doing the ESC is not an artistic move. Then, "Ne partez pas sans moi" is a very bad song that means nothing. Céline was true to herself ( and to us) : she didn't like the song and give up on it. That's called growing as an artist. Back in 1988 she was nobody , it's not like she had a lot of choices.

Right from the start, Céline (and René) was clear about her goals and writing abilities and/or insecurities. That's very humble and she succeeded in being recognized as one of the most successfull singers on earth ( commercially speaking), one of the finest female vocalists and one of the most respected artists capable of bringing emotions to a large audience.

Did Shania Twain leave her footprints in the writing field? I don't think so.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 08:34 AM by isurrender

July 17, 2017 at 08:36 AM

Which further solidifies my belief it's always been more about being a performer/entertainer and being famous than being an artist. A real artist would never do something so commercialistically hollow.

Sorry but this I totally disagree with you on this.

July 17, 2017 at 08:42 AM

Shania still holds the world record for the highest selling album by a female of all time. She didn't abandon Country. In fact, there were two versions of a few of her hits after her country singles crossed over into top 40, in order to keep a balance between both genres. Her album "Up!" Had separate discs with the original Country versions, and Pop remixes (which still had a country sound) to appease all of her fans. She's credited as one of few Country artists to successfully bring the genre mainstream.

LOL that's what superlove4ecelinee calls an artist with integrity. lol

Don't get me wrong : I have nothing against Shania. But I wouldn't call her an artist( with the definition of the artist that some on this board have)

July 17, 2017 at 08:52 AM

LOL that's what superlove4ecelinee calls an artist with integrity. lol

Don't get me wrong : I have nothing against Shania. But I wouldn't call her an artist( with the definition of the artist that some on this board have)

I find Shania to be an artist. I thought the "Up!" album was innovative. She is one of few country artists who crossed over and wasn't shunned by the Country Music community. She never abandoned her Country sound. She integrated it into her mainstream success. That's not an easy feat with Country music. People either love or hate Country. There's no visible grey area. Shania beat that odd, as so many people love her. She was able to pull fans over to the Country side of things. Mutt Lange is a great songwriter. It's sad that their relationship ended the way it did. As for Shania not releasing new music, a lot of that time was spent with no voice. We can't fault her for that.

July 17, 2017 at 09:27 AM

I'm sorry but this has to be the poorest performance of MHWGO of the tour for me.

The ad-libbing during the instrumental actually sounds like a police siren! And the "forever" of "We'll stay forever this way..." is a total bum note!

She's playing with her earpiece near the end of the song so I'm guessing she's having technical difficulties. But it's still pretty shocking!

Anything beyond the key change is screechy and shouty.

At least it's live. She can't always perform at her very best, but she manages it 99% of the time at the moment! How amazing is that. Most of us are not able to say the same. And I like the ad lib at the very end. I don't like it when she ad libs during the instrumental before the "you're here" though, no. But, you know, she has to keep the song interesting for herself, if not for anyone else.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 09:30 AM by Sazeliza

July 17, 2017 at 09:29 AM

I don't want her doing anything to "prove herself" for me or the rest of us. I simply state what my view on artistry is and how her choices align or don't align with that belief. I'm not so self-centered as to think she is kept awake at night hoping she makes "SuperLove4Celine" happy or proud.

As you say, that's you view on artistry, but the general definition of artist says "an artist is a person engaged in an activity related to creating art, practicing the arts, or demonstrating an art", and "a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer" being performing arts "arts or skills that require public performance, as acting, singing, or dancing".

Your view is totally wrong, which is fine with me, everyone is entitle to believe whatever but trying to prove your point saying Shania believed in Febreze so she didn't lose her "artistry" is laughable.

July 17, 2017 at 10:36 AM

Such an interesting discussion going on here about the 2017 tour haha

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Edited July 17, 2017 at 10:37 AM by Daniel1997

July 17, 2017 at 10:54 AM

Elvis , Frank Sinatra, Maria Callas, Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, Ella Fitgerald, all muppets who did not write their own lyrics...

you must be kidding, songwriters will never survive without those amazing voices

remember Carol King said at the Divas 98 "that's why we write songs for people like them to sing"

Most of the song are written by a ghost writer and then the record company buy the rights for the singer put the name on the credits

and the story behind BLUE by Leann Rimes, the song was written like 50 years ago, and was been waiting for the right singer

other example is That's the woman in me by our Celine

MHWGO would never be the same HIT without the all story that we well know

Edited July 17, 2017 at 10:58 AM by celinesounds

July 17, 2017 at 11:31 AM

Such an interesting discussion going on here about the 2017 tour haha

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Exactly!! Let's just enjoy these last few precious weeks of having Celine here in Europe. I for one will miss my daily fix of what she's up to when she returns to Vegas so would like to just enjoy this time before it ends.

Not sure what all the bickering on artistry is about anyway when Celine to my mind has always been first and foremost a singer...an interpreter of song and she's never proclaimed to be anything else. If you're looking for artistry then maybe you should be fans of say Madonna, Lady Gaga etc.

July 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM

In Céline's official biography it is said that she and René didn't like "Ne partez pas sans moi" so much. From the context in the book I assume that they didn't believe that this song is strong enough to win Eurovision. However Céline said on several occasions that she did like it and wanted to record it after after it was proposed to her. Also, Céline did promote "Ne partez pas sans moi" after Eurovision in several European countries (Wetten, dass...? for example in Germany) and performed it in her Incognito tour 1988-1989 in Quebec. No matter how much I love this song (it introduced me to Céline), I don't think it would fit the concept of this year's tour. It does sound a bit passe comparing to the sound of her more recent songs. It would be nice if she mentioned it though...

And just to remind, Céline didn't like My Heart Will Go On either and she was more specific about that. Without commercial strategy she wouldn't be here where she is.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 12:00 PM by Daysleeper

July 17, 2017 at 12:00 PM

you must be kidding, songwriters will never survive without those amazing voices

remember Carol King said at the Divas 98 "that's why we write songs for people like them to sing"

Most of the song are written by a ghost writer and then the record company buy the rights for the singer put the name on the credits

and the story behind BLUE by Leann Rimes, the song was written like 50 years ago, and was been waiting for the right singer

other example is That's the woman in me by our Celine

MHWGO would never be the same HIT without the all story that we well know

I think quebecflower was just making a joke about the singer's being muppets :giggle:

July 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM

Can someone please do a "Masterpost" of all of the complete audio recordings of this tour that we have thus far...

Please and thank you.

I do have most of the videos of the concerts from the tour, i can extract the audio, is that fine?

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July 17, 2017 at 12:18 PM

https://youtu.be/uP6Jm1ABLJ8

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July 17, 2017 at 12:45 PM

More from that meeting with the ballet dancers -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWo3t09lVm5/?taken-by=sebastien_bertaud

July 17, 2017 at 01:04 PM

I just find this debate very frustrating whenever it's rehashed across the internet. People don't seem to realize that the whole idea that you have to write your own material to be a true artist is tied to a very white, very "rockist" singer-songwriter tradition that only emerged (on a wide scale) in the latter half of the 20th century. So what, artists didn't exist before then? How ridiculous!

And yes, I realize there are r&b singer-songwriters (as well those from other genres), but the discourse in music criticism that shaped this elitist idea of "true artistry" is specifically tied to early folk and then rock singer-songwriters. If you've ever talked at all to rock fans, a lot of them make assumptions about artists from other genres for this very reason - assuming that they automatically must not write their own music, even if they do. And when confronted with the facts, they still try to deny it or question it. I don't even find Mariah's songwriting particularly good, but this is a woman who literally co-wrote her entire discography, yet whenever there is press coverage of her US #1's solo record slowly creeping up on The Beatles' record, the rock fans come swarming out en masse to scream about how she's a manufactured diva who hasn't written any of her own songs! Even if someone personally claims that their definition of artistry isn't based on this genre eliticism, they still can't deny the fact that they were influenced subconsciously by the wider discourse within music criticism.

Celine is an artist because she expresses herself artistically through her songs. The way she colors a note or adjusts her phrasing to convey a certain mood or tone is no different than what a painter or sculptor does.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 01:10 PM by Your_Su_Phu

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