Céline Dion Live 2017 (tour) - Official Topic

[neil1981]

Céline Dion - “My Heart Will Go On” | Stade de Suisse, Bern | 2017-07-15

 

 

I'm sorry but this has to be the poorest performance of MHWGO of the tour for me.

 

The ad-libbing during the instrumental actually sounds like a police siren! And the "forever" of "We'll stay forever this way..." is a total bum note!

 

She's playing with her earpiece near the end of the song so I'm guessing she's having technical difficulties. But it's still pretty shocking!

 

Anything beyond the key change is screechy and shouty.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 12:55 AM by neil1981

[chocolatechip15]

She was in Switzerland. She could have made it an extra special night by performing "Ne partez pas sans moi" instead of so many other English songs which were in the setlist.

 

Celine doesn't like Ne Partez Pas Sans Moi. In her bio, she says about Eurovision, "I didn't really like the song I was going to perform. I found it too pompous." I believe I've also read that Rene didn't really like the song either, but it was the type of song that won that contest, and they did it for strategic reasons - basically just promotion, to get her name out there in Europe, since the Eurovision is such a huge platform.

 

I'm pretty sure she's never sung that song except where directly connected with Eurovision. I think that's an artistic decision, and I respect that. But, yeah, it would have been nice for her to sing it just for Switzerland.

[chocolatechip15]

"Ne me quitte pas" was performed during the first incarnation of the Vegas residency, "Celine." It was later removed. I honestly hope it never returns to any of her setlists.

 

In one of the interviews after Rene's passing, an interviewer asked her if she would sing NMQP again. She said no; the interviewer asked why, and she said, "Because he already left me."

 

Such a sad moment.

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Celine doesn't like Ne Partez Pas Sans Moi. In her bio, she says about Eurovision, "I didn't really like the song I was going to perform. I found it too pompous." I believe I've also read that Rene didn't really like the song either, but it was the type of song that won that contest, and they did it for strategic reasons - basically just promotion, to get her name out there in Europe, since the Eurovision is such a huge platform.

 

I'm pretty sure she's never sung that song except where directly connected with Eurovision. I think that's an artistic decision, and I respect that. But, yeah, it would have been nice for her to sing it just for Switzerland.

 

Which further solidifies my belief it's always been more about being a performer/entertainer and being famous than being an artist. A real artist would never do something so commercialistically hollow.

[chocolatechip15]

Which further solidifies my belief it's always been more about being a performer/entertainer and being famous than being an artist. A real artist would never do something so commercialistically hollow.

 

But can't it be about both? She's never hesitated to admit (well, at least when she was younger) that she wanted to be famous and successful all around the world -- and there's no question that she made some moves that were purely commercial in order to get there. But she's also done tons of truly artistic things . . . and I think she's freer to do so now, when she really couldn't get any more famous, and doesn't need to prove herself (as she likes to remind us )

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

But can't it be about both? She's never hesitated to admit (well, at least when she was younger) that she wanted to be famous and successful all around the world -- and there's no question that she made some moves that were purely commercial in order to get there. But she's also done tons of truly artistic things . . . and I think she's freer to do so now, when she really couldn't get any more famous, and doesn't need to prove herself (as she likes to remind us )

 

When a person sings a song they hate just to go further in the industry, they wipe out all credibility as an authentic artist in my eyes.

 

I don't want her doing anything to "prove herself" for me or the rest of us. I simply state what my view on artistry is and how her choices align or don't align with that belief. I'm not so self-centered as to think she is kept awake at night hoping she makes "SuperLove4Celine" happy or proud.

[québecflower]

When a person sings a song they hate just to go further in the industry, they wipe out all credibility as an authentic artist in my eyes.

 

I don't want her doing anything to "prove herself" for me or the rest of us. I simply state what my view on artistry is and how her choices align or don't align with that belief. I'm not so self-centered as to think she is kept awake at night hoping she makes "SuperLove4Celine" happy or proud.

so, she is not an artist or have never been mnore than a common commercial succes, you should follow someone else, she is beneath you.

[Your_Su_Phu]

The arrogance of some people here is all the more amusing when coupled with their tragic taste.

[SuperLove4Celine]

so, she is not an artist or have never been mnore than a common commercial succes, you should follow someone else, she is beneath you.

 

Don't be so dramtic. I can appreciate someone's vocal and singing ability, but not view them as an artist. Not every singer in the industry is meant to be an artist.

[SuperLove4Celine]

The arrogance of some people here is all the more amusing when coupled with their tragic taste.

 

Indeed.

[Your_Su_Phu]

 

In one of the interviews after Rene's passing, an interviewer asked her if she would sing NMQP again. She said no; the interviewer asked why, and she said, "Because he already left me."

 

Such a sad moment.

 

 

OMG

[Your_Su_Phu]

When a person sings a song they hate just to go further in the industry, they wipe out all credibility as an authentic artist in my eyes.

 

Going by your logic, Celine would also be selling out had she sung NPPSM at the recent concert despite disliking it. So she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Basically, you didn't get your way so you threw in that line about artistry to instigate.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 03:37 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

So going by your logic, Celine would also be selling out had she sung NPPSM at the recent concert despite disliking it. So she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Basically, you didn't get your way so you threw in that line about artistry to instigate.

 

I knew not of Celine's views on the song until today. So, now that I do, I wish she had never recorded it.

[Your_Su_Phu]

I knew not of Celine's views on the song until today. So, now that I do, I wish she had never recorded it.

 

Out of genuine curiosity, can you name a few individuals you consider to be true artists?

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Out of genuine curiosity, can you name a few individuals you consider to be true artists?

 

Billy Joel, John Lennon/The Beatles, Garth Brooks and Shania Twain, to name a few.

[québecflower]

Billy Joel, John Lennon/The Beatles, Garth Brooks and Shania Twain, to name a few.

Elvis , Frank Sinatra, Maria Callas, Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, Ella Fitgerald, all muppets who did not write their own lyrics...

[Your_Su_Phu]

Billy Joel, John Lennon/The Beatles, Garth Brooks and Shania Twain, to name a few.

 

...but Garth Brooks has literally shilled for beer. And I remember being a kid and taping Shania's Febreeze commercials...

Edited July 17, 2017 at 03:49 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[SuperLove4Celine]

Elvis , Frank Sinatra, Maria Callas, Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, Ella Fitgerald, all muppets who did not write their own lyrics...

 

Your statement is false. Plus, do not put words in my mouth.

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

...but Garth Brooks has literally shilled for beer. And I remember being a kid and taping Shania's Febreeze commercials...

 

Your point?

[Your_Su_Phu]

Your point?

 

So, a provincial star singing a song she dislikes in exchange for a global platform that will make her dreams come true = losing all artistic legitimacy, but doing cheesy ads for air fresheners doesn't?

 

Seriously?

Edited July 17, 2017 at 03:57 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[québecflower]

Your statement is false. Plus, do not put words in my mouth.

so Celine is not an artist because she did things to advance her commercial succes, the singers i mentionned did the same. I just try to follow your logic.

[québecflower]

Your statement is false. Plus, do not put words in my mouth.

No, and it is possible to have an argument without saying the other is lying when it is not true. Those singers i mentionned, are they artist with a big A or not. and if those people are artists, what's the difference with Celine.

[Your_Su_Phu]

Your statement is false. Plus, do not put words in my mouth.

 

Nah, you're likely just not as well informed on their careers as you think. Ella literally did a KFC commercial before her death. If we wanted to we could dig up stuff for all of the artists mentioned above. In fact, even putting endorsements aside, we could likely find instances where they all recorded songs they personally disliked because it would be commercially rewarding.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 04:18 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

So, a provincial star singing a song she dislikes in exchange for a global platform that will make her dreams come true = losing all artistic legitimacy, but doing cheesy ads for air fresheners doesn't?

 

Seriously?

 

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling as opposed to Celine who commited artistic fraud by using a song, an organization and songwriters just to get ahead. Shania even did an entire campaign with Febreze using songs she herself co-wrote with Mutt. Shania is and always has been far more involved with the art she brings to this planet than Celine has. Celine continuously relies on others to write for her, choose her singles, etc.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 04:06 AM by SuperLove4Celine

[scielle]

"Ne me quitte pas" was performed during the first incarnation of the Vegas residency, "Celine." It was later removed. I honestly hope it never returns to any of her setlists.

 

Her version of Ne me quitte pas is stunning; it left me teary-eyed more than once. I can understand why she wouldn't sing it again - at least not for a long while - but I so wish she would.

[Your_Su_Phu]

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling

 

Are you psychic though? This is obviously what all celebrity endorsers say when they're shilling a product. We can't gauge the sincerity of strangers, we can only speculate.

 

Even if a star honestly believed in a product, if we go by "pure" artistic standards it is still questionable for them to shill for a product that has nothing to do with their line of work, using the visibility that they garnered from their art. It isn't just figuratively selling out which is what you're ascribing to Celine's participation in Eurovision, commercial endorsements are literally selling out. Just as singers and actors have no real business telling people how to vote, they likewise have no business telling them what air freshener or laundry detergent to use, even if they really believed in that particular brand of laundry detergent.

 

I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around your line of reasoning.

Edited July 17, 2017 at 04:19 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Are you psychic, though? This is obviously what all celebrity endorsers say when they're shilling a product. We can't gauge the sincerity of strangers, we can only speculate.

 

Even if a star honestly believed in a product, from your "pure" artistic standards it is still questionable for them to shill for a product that has nothing to do with their line of work, using the visibility that they garnered from their art. It isn't just figuratively selling out which is what you're ascribing to Celine's participation in Eurovision, commercial endorsements are literally selling out. Just as singers and actors have no real business telling people how to vote, they likewise have no business telling them what air freshener or laundry detergent to use, even if they really believed in that particular brand of laundry detergent.

 

I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around your line of reasoning.

 

If an artist believes in the product they are promoting, I see nothing wrong with that. Knowing what I do about Shania and the music she herself creates, I have no reason to think she would allow a company to use her songs if they didn't work in tandem in some artistic fashion.

[québecflower]

The difference? Shania believed in the product she was selling as opposed to Celine who commited artistic fraud by using a song, an organization and songwriters just to get ahead. Shania even did an entire campaign with Febreze using songs she herself co-wrote with Mutt. Shania is and always has been far more involved with the art she brings to this planet than Celine has. Celine continuously relies on others to write for her, choose her singles, etc.

so you continue with your argument of writing the songs to be an artist. The singers i talked about did not write their songs, so what are they ?

[SuperLove4Celine]

so you continue with your argument of writing the songs to be an artist. The singers i talked about did not write their songs, so what are they ?

 

For those who did not, they are incredible entertainers who knew how to entertain a crowd. However, some of the singers you mentioned did write some of their own material, as well as be far more involved in their music's creation than Celine has/does.

[sfbaysinger]

Out of genuine curiosity, can you name a few individuals you consider to be true artists?

And tell us what makes them true artists. I think just because someone doesn't have a few things that make them a true artist, that doesn't mean they're not. One thing I think a true artist is/has is being able to write their own songs. I do, I write my own songs, but you'll never get to hear even one of them because blind WOMEN do not become famous. But that's another thread. But just because she does not write her own songs does not mean she isn't an artist. I also think one can be a true artist and doing whatever they have to do to sell out. When you want fame as badly as I think she did, sometimes you have to and choose to sacrifice your own tastes/integrity. It's no different than you or me. If we want a raise/promotion etc. but we don't agree with something, unless it's illegal, would we not at least consider doing it? I think most of us would. Also, regarding my previous post, I realize NMQP was done in the first incarnation of Celine, and I heard about that interview after Rene's passing. It is sad, and for that reason ONLY, I too hope it never ever ever ever makes a return to any of her setlists. I do agree with you on that, superlove4Celine.