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[PuraVida]

Is Celine underrated in the trinity, what do you think?

I can't say whether or not cause I've never listened to Mariah Carey and only a couple of Whitney Houston songs.

 

I think she is underrated. People assume she only did MHWGO and nothing else. Also, they say she is irrelevant because her career went nowhere after 2000 i.e. she went and hid in Vegas. And they focus on 1993-1997 when she wasn't as good in her uppermost register at times in live performances.

 

But obviously there is so much more to Celine, and her voice has a long history of doing incredible things...especially doing stuff in her mixed voice that Whitney/Mariah couldn't do e.g. TLBSEPM high notes. Granted, she may not have had as many #1 hits as Whitney or Mariah, but she is such a legend and I'm really glad for the Celinaissance...although I still think she is underrated and underappreciated, but not nowhere near as much as before.

Edited June 8, 2020 at 06:55 AM by PuraVida

[sebulba]

I think she is underrated. People assume she only did MHWGO and nothing else. Also, they say she is irrelevant because her career went nowhere after 2000 i.e. she went and hid in Vegas. And they focus on 1993-1997 when she wasn't as good in her uppermost register at times in live performances.

 

But obviously there is so much more to Celine, and her voice has a long history of doing incredible things...especially doing stuff in her mixed voice that Whitney/Mariah couldn't do e.g. TLBSEPM high notes. Granted, she may not have had as many #1 hits as Whitney or Mariah, but she is such a legend and I'm really glad for the Celinaissance...although I still think she is underrated and underappreciated, but not nowhere near as much as before.

Interesting. Yeah sure WE know the amazing qualities of her singing and performing.

A reason for her not getting the attention, it is that her image compared to the two is that she can seem "boring" or not "hipp". I mean in this industry image is all. A great image seems to overshadow any flaws an artist have. Or making them better than they really are.

Also i don't if that she is canadian affect the judging in peoples eyes. Isn't Canada like the little brother no one wanted for americans? That is my understanding as a european anyway. Cause singing-wise they seem pretty equal with each strengths in different areas. Also isn't total sales pretty equal?

Edited June 8, 2020 at 04:03 PM by sebulba

[sebulba]

I have to one more amazing instrumental. Even if the last part isn't the original it's still great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27gFoXv-5do

 

 

I've searched YT but this one was the best. The other finds was just lame karaoke.

Anyone know where I can find the true full original?

Would be much appreciated!

Edited June 8, 2020 at 04:28 PM by sebulba

[PuraVida]

Interesting. Yeah sure WE know the amazing qualities of her singing and performing.

A reason for her not getting the attention, it is that her image compared to the two is that she can seem "boring" or not "hipp". I mean in this industry image is all. A great image seems to overshadow any flaws an artist have. Or making them better than they really are.

Also i don't if that she is canadian affect the judging in peoples eyes. Isn't Canada like the little brother no one wanted for americans? That is my understanding as a european anyway. Cause singing-wise they seem pretty equal with each strengths in different areas. Also isn't total sales pretty equal?

 

The sales are nowhere near equivalent because the US market is so much larger. I think Canadian singers may punch above their weight actually, what with Shania Twain, Anne Murray, Celine, Drake, Justin Bieber, Alannis Morisette, Neil Young, Joni M., Leonard Cohen, Rush, KD Lang, the list goes on and on. If anything, proximity to the US helps break into the industry. I don't feel there is any discrimination at all, but maybe there was slower acceptance on the "trinity" front...not sure though.

 

And I can say I've never spoken or come across anyone with "little brother no one wanted" views in my life, let alone just "little brother." They are just a nice, normal country that no one talks about too often here, as far as my experience goes.

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[jpatdeleon09]

First time to see this but Céline is having fun

 

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBKlAzfAwR3/?igshid=natnusq6swpl

[jpatdeleon09]

That part where she sang her first song. Her voice were so strong

 

[MTJ]

Oh yes, this live recording (sometimes called "Live in London", or "Live in Milan" although it has been recorded in Zurich, but was aired on radio the night Céline was in these cities) has been shared sooooooooooo many times on this forum for so many years. I'm amazed it can be considered as newly discovered, but well...

 

So the CD release is fan-made, no? The cover art sure looks fan-made....

[Bruno Portugal]

This concert is so underrated. God she looks fabulous!!!

 

 

The is also one incredible performance of QOAQLA.

 

[smw]

INCREDIBLE has been steadily gaining in views over the years, I'm happy to see. It's an inspiring song, and the comments are flooded with positivity.

Thankful to have a real music video from the LMBTL album.

 

[sebulba]

The sales are nowhere near equivalent because the US market is so much larger. I think Canadian singers may punch above their weight actually, what with Shania Twain, Anne Murray, Celine, Drake, Justin Bieber, Alannis Morisette, Neil Young, Joni M., Leonard Cohen, Rush, KD Lang, the list goes on and on. If anything, proximity to the US helps break into the industry. I don't feel there is any discrimination at all, but maybe there was slower acceptance on the "trinity" front...not sure though.

 

And I can say I've never spoken or come across anyone with "little brother no one wanted" views in my life, let alone just "little brother." They are just a nice, normal country that no one talks about too often here, as far as my experience goes.

Ah yes you're right. I'm sure Canada and the people there are great. To me Canada sounds like Sweden in terms of living there. So that I see as a plus

The "little brother" thing was just in lack of a better term. I also don't think there is any discrimination in the industry. As long as they can make money from you they could care less.

But on tv canadians seems to always be made fun of. Like in a way when you mess with your own little brother or sibling.

Anyway the fact that she isn't american, if that could factoring in. That people are biased towards the american artists. This was just my speculation on how people might view Celine vs the other two.

Q: Isn't americans in general very biased towards their country or have I got that all wrong?

 

Edited June 9, 2020 at 05:53 AM by sebulba

[PuraVida]

This is the Celine I love to see, not the one in interviews.

 

[Celine Fan 77]

Here's a little gift for you guys, Toute Une Vie interview from 2006 subtitled into English. I'll be happy to fulfill any request you may have for future uploads

 

[PuraVida]

Here's a little gift for you guys, Toute Une Vie interview from 2006 subtitled into English. I'll be happy to fulfill any request you may have for future uploads

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmbJiR9598

 

Thanks for this! When I think of 21:30 and she names all of her French albums, I wonder if she could do that with all of her English albums if put on the spot lolol

[comingback]

I think she is underrated. People assume she only did MHWGO and nothing else. Also, they say she is irrelevant because her career went nowhere after 2000 i.e. she went and hid in Vegas. And they focus on 1993-1997 when she wasn't as good in her uppermost register at times in live performances.

 

But obviously there is so much more to Celine, and her voice has a long history of doing incredible things...especially doing stuff in her mixed voice that Whitney/Mariah couldn't do e.g. TLBSEPM high notes. Granted, she may not have had as many #1 hits as Whitney or Mariah, but she is such a legend and I'm really glad for the Celinaissance...although I still think she is underrated and underappreciated, but not nowhere near as much as before.

Interesting. Yeah sure WE know the amazing qualities of her singing and performing.

A reason for her not getting the attention, it is that her image compared to the two is that she can seem "boring" or not "hipp". I mean in this industry image is all. A great image seems to overshadow any flaws an artist have. Or making them better than they really are.

Also i don't if that she is canadian affect the judging in peoples eyes. Isn't Canada like the little brother no one wanted for americans? That is my understanding as a european anyway. Cause singing-wise they seem pretty equal with each strengths in different areas. Also isn't total sales pretty equal?

The sales are nowhere near equivalent because the US market is so much larger. I think Canadian singers may punch above their weight actually, what with Shania Twain, Anne Murray, Celine, Drake, Justin Bieber, Alannis Morisette, Neil Young, Joni M., Leonard Cohen, Rush, KD Lang, the list goes on and on. If anything, proximity to the US helps break into the industry. I don't feel there is any discrimination at all, but maybe there was slower acceptance on the "trinity" front...not sure though.

 

And I can say I've never spoken or come across anyone with "little brother no one wanted" views in my life, let alone just "little brother." They are just a nice, normal country that no one talks about too often here, as far as my experience goes.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBeIjuZGH0E

 

Great topic.I'm a Celine fan since the 90s and yes Celine was always in the shadow of Whitney and Mariah in the US.

Do you remember the funny South Park Celine/Canada episode? It was on point. Canada is/was always goofy/silly for the US puplic.

That's why Canadian artists never get the full respect in the US. It sad, because for me Celine is more versatile than Whitney and Mariah (especially her great French work).

Of couse US people know she is French Canadian, but they don't or don't want to know her French albums.

Celine should promoted her French culture/music more in the US.

As far as I know, she only promoted D'eux/ The French album in the US in 1995.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORsEuM0WH4

Edited June 9, 2020 at 12:50 PM by comingback

[sebulba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBeIjuZGH0E

 

Great topic.I'm a Celine fan since the 90s and yes Celine was always in the shadow of Whitney and Mariah in the US.

Do you remember the funny South Park Celine/Canada episode? It was on point. Canada is/was always goofy/silly for the US puplic.

That's why Canadian artists never get the full respect in the US. It sad, because for me Celine is more versatile than Whitney and Mariah (especially her great French work).

Of couse US people know she is French Canadian, but they don't or don't want to know her French albums.

Celine should promoted her French culture/music more in the US.

As far as I know, she only promoted D'eux/ The French album in the US in 1995.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORsEuM0WH4

Canadians in South park are so funny.

That was one of the things I had in my mind which I based my assumption of americans vs canadians. With that it seems like a non-US artist have to work twice as hard or sell twice as much as a US artist to accomplish the same status so to speak. I'm probably wrong. I don't live in the US so I don't really know but this is what it looks to me who lives in europe.

Edited June 9, 2020 at 01:34 PM by sebulba

[Celine Fan 77]

Thanks for this! When I think of 21:30 and she names all of her French albums, I wonder if she could do that with all of her English albums if put on the spot lolol

 

Glad you enjoyed it! Any request?

[PuraVida]

 

Great topic.I'm a Celine fan since the 90s and yes Celine was always in the shadow of Whitney and Mariah in the US.

Do you remember the funny South Park Celine/Canada episode? It was on point. Canada is/was always goofy/silly for the US puplic.

That's why Canadian artists never get the full respect in the US. It sad, because for me Celine is more versatile than Whitney and Mariah (especially her great French work).

Of couse US people know she is French Canadian, but they don't or don't want to know her French albums.

Celine should promoted her French culture/music more in the US.

As far as I know, she only promoted D'eux/ The French album in the US in 1995.

 

 

"Always in the shadow of Mariah and Whitney"? I would say the latter half of the 90s, there were unquestionably times when Celine was the most popular of the three. And saying Celine doesn't get full respect in the US as a Canadian due to one tiny feature on a Southpark episode is absurd. Southpark takes the piss out of everyone--remember they made Barbra Streisand into a godzilla figure? As with the SNL parody of her, as Rene said, if you're being made fun of on SNL, you're doing something right. She may be overshadowed in some people's minds, but I don't think it's because of her nationality.

 

I disagree that Canadians have to work twice as hard or that there is any Canada hate in the US. As I already mentioned, Drake/Buble/Bieber/Shania Twain all had no problem getting their careers off the ground. There are natural barriers breaking into the music scene of a different country, but as the USA speaks English as the primary language, I think those nations that speak English (UK, Australia, Canada) are taken equally seriously.

 

I agree that people should embrace more languages of music and of course multiple languages for their own lives. The language barrier is something I won't deny. However, it's a chicken-and-egg...if you don't release the CDs or promote them in the media, then how can people know to demand it? Her album Encore Un Soir was #1 on the "US World Albums Chart" aka foreign albums, after all. So, sales aside, if her foreign language work is already more popular than anyone else's foreign language work when it comes out....isn't she doing something right?

[jpatdeleon09]

Is it true that the reason why they removed this from the setlist is because of Elvis Presley’s wife requests to remove the hologram when she saw elvis’s hologram? Her vocals were so strong here and very open

 

[PuraVida]

Glad you enjoyed it! Any request?

 

I thought about it but nothing came to mind. I'll have to get back to you if I think of something!

[comingback]

 

 

"Always in the shadow of Mariah and Whitney"? I would say the latter half of the 90s, there were unquestionably times when Celine was the most popular of the three. And saying Celine doesn't get full respect in the US as a Canadian due to one tiny feature on a Southpark episode is absurd. Southpark takes the piss out of everyone--remember they made Barbra Streisand into a godzilla figure? As with the SNL parody of her, as Rene said, if you're being made fun of on SNL, you're doing something right. She may be overshadowed in some people's minds, but I don't think it's because of her nationality.

 

I disagree that Canadians have to work twice as hard or that there is any Canada hate in the US. As I already mentioned, Drake/Buble/Bieber/Shania Twain all had no problem getting their careers off the ground. There are natural barriers breaking into the music scene of a different country, but as the USA speaks English as the primary language, I think those nations that speak English (UK, Australia, Canada) are taken equally seriously.

 

I agree that people should embrace more languages of music and of course multiple languages for their own lives. The language barrier is something I won't deny. However, it's a chicken-and-egg...if you don't release the CDs or promote them in the media, then how can people know to demand it? Her album Encore Un Soir was #1 on the "US World Albums Chart" aka foreign albums, after all. So, sales aside, if her foreign language work is already more popular than anyone else's foreign language work when it comes out....isn't she doing something right?

 

Of course South Park is an exaggerated parody.

What I'm trying to say is: Even at her peak at the end of the 90s/Titanic hype, the media and critics doesn't took her seriously. She was the boring, goofy ballad singer Celine Dion. And on every Top female list she is behind MC and WC. For example VH1 list in 2012: 1 Madonna, 2 Mariah, 6 Whitney ... and 21 Celine. No comment: rude, rude, rude.

 

Yes, nowadays the media and critics shows more respect for her talent, but it could be better.

[comingback]

 

 

Of course South Park is an exaggerated parody.

What I'm trying to say is: Even at her peak at the end of the 90s/Titanic hype, the media and critics didn't take her seriously. She was the boring, goofy ballad singer Celine Dion. And on every Top female list she is behind MC and WC. For example VH1 list in 2012: 1 Madonna, 2 Mariah, 6 Whitney ... and 21 Celine. No comment: rude, rude, rude.

 

Yes, nowadays the media and critics show more respect for her talent, but it could be better.

Edited June 9, 2020 at 05:04 PM by comingback

[PuraVida]

Of course South Park is an exaggerated parody.

What I'm trying to say is: Even at her peak at the end of the 90s/Titanic hype, the media and critics doesn't took her seriously. She was the boring, goofy ballad singer Celine Dion. And on every Top female list she is behind MC and WC. For example VH1 list in 2012: 1 Madonna, 2 Mariah, 6 Whitney ... and 21 Celine. No comment: rude, rude, rude.

 

Yes, nowadays the media and critics shows more respect for her talent, but it could be better.

 

But the original point was about her being from Canada...if she wasn't taken seriously, it wasn't because of where she was born. Maybe others have different ideas and I'm wrong, I'm certainly open to that possibility. There was that author Carl Wilson that wrote that famous book "Let's Talk About Love" where he talks about who decides what is in "good taste" or not, a discussion of the music industry and critics more broadly. I haven't read it, but it probably provides some cool insights.

[blacktooth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riYNjpqqpSU

[jpatdeleon09]

This concert is so underrated. God she looks fabulous!!!

 

https://youtu.be/F7e0uOkbNeA

 

The is also one incredible performance of QOAQLA.

 

 

and that CATWALK at the beginning... like a model haha

[Celine Fan 77]

[PuraVida]

Never ever heard this English version before!!! What year was it recorded?

 

Edited June 10, 2020 at 02:07 PM by PuraVida

[jpatdeleon09]

Never ever heard this English version before!!! What year was it recorded?

 

 

Same year when they recorded the french version 2003

[Ukrfan]

I do agree with those of you who think Celine was underrated, compared to Whitney and Mariah. I think it is not only due to the fact she is from Canada, but also because she is a not a native speaker of English. I know many fans here claim Celine has a cute accent, but many people will not like it. Imagine regular audience listening to a heart-breaking ballad and hear that "the hot dogs go on" I think if Celine were from Toronto or at least was taught English when she was a child it would be differently. ESPECIALLY if Celine was indeed born in the U.S. in a French-speaking family.

 

Besides, I think Celine image was mediocre through the 90s. She was too focused of big ballads, whereas Whitney and Mariah had more uptempo "cool" hits (such as I Wanna Dance with Somebody). Even Mariah's Christmas hit is an uptempo dancing track (All I Want for Christmas Is You). With Celine, TPOL, BYLM, BATB, ABM etc. were all slow ballads. IACBTMN was a bit uptempo though, and TTWII came out only in 1999.

 

I think they could have gone with the more rocky style of Celine in her songs, looks, and videos. I think her voice is amazing for pop rock and rock songs, it went so beautifully in Taking Chances :wub: I love Celine, but I must admit that she was really cheesy with her English career, and quite limited with her style. Still, I never liked Mariah or Whitney at all, and they are overrated in the U.S., in my opinion of course.