"Courage" album - Official Topic

[AdrienneM]

 

 

It's not the natural way of singing, that's why her voice sounds so awkward when she does that.

When singers are losing confidence, they will use the nassal sounds and other strange methods of singing.

Sometimes I'm sorry for Cel, she turned into this "voice monster", always people will want to hear her golden notes.

I dearly hope she will return to sing in her natural and normal way, she for sure can keep it simple.

 

Not natural??

 

French speaking people especially Québécois people are naturally nasal, and nasality increases with age in almost everyone. Moreso in someone who is naturally nasal. She’s definitely not losing confidence and it’s rather silly to say the “natural” way of singing when everyone’s technique is different

[nuts2you]

guys give her a break, maybe after this 2 or 3 months off , she will be back to where we all like her voice, Give it a rest , just let her recoup .

[jpatdeleon09]

The vocal coach is right on point, Celine is changing the way she sings and becomes "nassal". I don't know how to write this word in English! That way of singing might hurt vocal chords and on the other side, might be easiest for her to sing that way, hope that make sense lol. Anyway her actual vocal coach should be fired for letting her to ruin her golden chords.

 

I really thought that her old vocal coach is better than the new one. I don't like the new one because i feel like the new vocal coach is just so "free"... like what céline is doing now since 2015.. Too much vocal runs, changing the way of singing. In the end, vocal exhaustion/fatigue.

 

Does the new vocal coach noticed the yodeling effect to her voice? (Close throat singing?)

 

If i have the power to pick which vocal coach for céline.. i'll try the old one again and maybe.. just maybe it may correct something that will make her voice better and maybe it may correct her accent.

Edited July 18, 2019 at 09:37 PM by jpatdeleon09

[browseceline]

 

Finally someone who says it... well not really, she's very kind and correct.

Let me say it.. her singing is embarrassing these days.

 

have you even listened to her hyde park concert? she was flawless! But when you are talking about pronounciation i sometimes wish she takes more care pronouncing the english words because sometimes it is really hard to hear which words she is singing

 

 

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[sarit_celine]

Not natural??

 

French speaking people especially Québécois people are naturally nasal, and nasality increases with age in almost everyone. Moreso in someone who is naturally nasal. She's definitely not losing confidence and it's rather silly to say the "natural" way of singing when everyone's technique is different

 

Lol I know many french people and they don't sound nasal. Celine is not losing confidence but she needs to use playbacks too much.

She is human being, and that's why I find myself defending her Right to use playbacks.

[sarit_celine]

I really thought that her old vocal coach is better than the new one. I don't like the new one because i feel like the new vocal coach is just so "free"... like what céline is doing now since 2015.. Too much vocal runs, changing the way of singing. In the end, vocal exhaustion/fatigue.

 

Does the new vocal coach noticed the yodeling effect to her voice? (Close throat singing?)

 

If i have the power to pick which vocal coach for céline.. i'll try the old one again and maybe.. just maybe it may correct something that will make her voice better and maybe it may correct her accent.

 

I agree with you, previous vocal coach did wonders and took away the nassling extra voices she does now. I must to find his number, if he is still alive. I come to the conclusion nassalty has nothing to do with her accent, because her accent comes and go like wonder lol, it just more easy for her to sing that way, and just wanting to mimic Sia She said once while joking, that she will want to perform only Sia's songs live, well I didn't think it was a joke.

Edited July 18, 2019 at 09:58 PM by sarit_celine

[sarit_celine]

guys give her a break, maybe after this 2 or 3 months off , she will be back to where we all like her voice, Give it a rest , just let her recoup .

 

I don't think nassality sounds are going to disappear anytime soon. Honestly, I don't care she sounds like that, I loved her last gig in London

and as long as she puts her unique feelings into each single song, I will keep follow her. I'm just upset

my friends avoidng to hear her because of that matter, not to mention disrespecting and hating her.

[jpatdeleon09]

I don't think nassality sounds are going to disappear anytime soon. Honestly, I don't care she sounds like that, I loved her last gig in London

and as long as she puts her unique feelings into each single song, I will keep follow her. I'm just upset

my friends avoidng to hear her because of that matter, not to mention disrespecting and hating her.

 

I think she's doing it on purpose because I remember Céline having an interview and talking about vocals and wanting to have a distinctive voice that people will know that it's her who's singing and says she's still finding it.. that was in 1990 or before 1990... So, maybe that's why she's singing in nasal..

Edited July 18, 2019 at 10:16 PM by jpatdeleon09

[pat200]

the thing is, her crystal clear tone and her timbre are extremely unique and rich no matter how many singers try to imitate her. when she started adding the excessive nasality, of course many will stay away because it can be annoying to the ear.

[sarit_celine]

I think she's doing it on purpose because I remember Céline having an interview and talking about vocals and wanting to have a distinctive voice that people will know that it's her who's singing and says she's still finding it.. that was in 1990 or before 1990... So, maybe that's why she's singing in nasal..

 

Interesting, thanks for sharing. I think that she sounded amazingly unique right from "WDMHBN" and even with her first French single. On "WDMHBN" she kept it strong but yet simple. During many years she used to make her accent notes and I thought it was great and cute, but everything must to be done with the Right dosage.

 

I'm afraid today she is reconized mostly for doing a-la nasslity non-stop.

 

Bon Jovi is the king of nassal voice. Oh boy, it's so "natural" singing voice, he sounds today like a frog, Celine must stop singing a la-nassallity! Bon Jovi sounds so bad, they are giving free tickets to his concert in my country, next week.

[sarit_celine]

the thing is, her crystal clear tone and her timbre are extremely unique and rich no matter how many singers try to imitate her. when she started adding the excessive nasality, of course many will stay away because it can be annoying to the ear.

 

I wonder why many of her supporters are blocking their ears (and logics) and can't admit she is going away too far

with this nassality thing. I will always refer to "Recovery" it has feelings, simple, perfect, no crazy nassal stuff.

[pat200]

I wonder why many of her supporters are blocking their ears (and logics) and can't admit she is going away too far

with this nassality thing. I will always refer to "Recovery" it has feelings, simple, perfect, no crazy nassal stuff.

 

i think it is also less taxing on her voice to be nasal

[Taking Chances]

I really thought that her old vocal coach is better than the new one. I don't like the new one because i feel like the new vocal coach is just so "free"... like what céline is doing now since 2015.. Too much vocal runs, changing the way of singing. In the end, vocal exhaustion/fatigue.

 

Does the new vocal coach noticed the yodeling effect to her voice? (Close throat singing?)

 

If i have the power to pick which vocal coach for céline.. i'll try the old one again and maybe.. just maybe it may correct something that will make her voice better and maybe it may correct her accent.

 

Today she sings like she doesn't have a vocal coach, and that's kind of the problem. And before anyone flips out, she's still a very good singer, but if we're being real, her technique could use some work along with her pronunciation. Even Celine needs direction.The throat singing has gotten progressively worse over the last few years, and objectively it doesn't compliment her voice like a more natural way of singing does. There's probably plenty of factors that play into that, but I'm sure with the proper vocal coach, her technique could improve greatly.

Edited July 19, 2019 at 01:33 AM by Taking Chances

[smw]

It's too easy to make a blanket statement like her "singing has gotten progressively worse over the last few years". She has demonstrated a multitude of times over the past few years that her voice can be just as powerful and crystal clear as it's ever been before. However, I do agree that she needs some direction sometimes in order to gravitate more towards those beautiful sounds she's still fully capable of vs the more nasal / gravely sounds she sometimes uses.

 

I don't mind her preserving her voice by being a bit more gravely while singing live (all great vocalists have to do what they've gotta do in order to preserve their voices) but this should never be the case in the studio. In the studio, her voice should only be that powerful, crystal clear tone that made her an icon to begin with. That's the difference between great producers vs not-so-great producers.

 

With that said --- we are SO lucky that Celine still sounds so fantastic after all these years. Whitney's voice was a fragment of what it once was in her final years -- Mariah's voice is extremely deteriorated -- and even some of the younger divas like Christina and Adele have had big vocal issues. Celine still sounds FABULOUS. Barbra Streisand has maintained her voice for so many years, and I hope Celine will continue to maintain her voice for as long as Barbra has.

Edited July 19, 2019 at 04:05 AM by smw

[GoldenLeaf]

 

 

I think she's doing it on purpose because I remember Céline having an interview and talking about vocals and wanting to have a distinctive voice that people will know that it's her who's singing and says she's still finding it.. that was in 1990 or before 1990... So, maybe that's why she's singing in nasal..

Naslity doesn’t make her voice distinctive, it just makes her voice sounds bad.

[smw]

Naslity doesn't make her voice distinctive, it just makes her voice sounds bad.

 

Not really true.

 

There's a tinge of nasality to even some of Celine's most iconic recordings. The way she sings "Cause I'm your ladyyyyy" has some nasality to it. And it's made her voice instantly recognizable. Like Whitney and Mariah, she's got the power, she's got the fluidity, she's got the clarity -- but she also has some French Canadian-isms that have made her voice incredibly unique and one of the greatest of all time.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

Naslity doesn’t make her voice distinctive, it just makes her voice sounds bad.

 

She’s known for that.. so i guess she found what she’s looking for... and she got the distinctive voice.

[sarit_celine]

Mariah today sounds horrible, no other female singer comes close to Celine's voice, so I hope she will find a new vocal coach that lead her back to sing naturally again. She even doesn't need any dancers and grande shows, she alone and her charisma is enough.

 

Don't we want already September to arrive...

[sarit_celine]

 

 

Today she sings like she doesn't have a vocal coach, and that's kind of the problem. And before anyone flips out, she's still a very good singer, but if we're being real, her technique could use some work along with her pronunciation. Even Celine needs direction.The throat singing has gotten progressively worse over the last few years, and objectively it doesn't compliment her voice like a more natural way of singing does. There's probably plenty of factors that play into that, but I'm sure with the proper vocal coach, her technique could improve greatly.

 

Agreed!

[PuraVida]

It's too easy to make a blanket statement like her "singing has gotten progressively worse over the last few years". She has demonstrated a multitude of times over the past few years that her voice can be just as powerful and crystal clear as it's ever been before. However, I do agree that she needs some direction sometimes in order to gravitate more towards those beautiful sounds she's still fully capable of vs the more nasal / gravely sounds she sometimes uses.

 

I don't mind her preserving her voice by being a bit more gravely while singing live (all great vocalists have to do what they've gotta do in order to preserve their voices) but this should never be the case in the studio. In the studio, her voice should only be that powerful, crystal clear tone that made her an icon to begin with. That's the difference between great producers vs not-so-great producers.

 

With that said --- we are SO lucky that Celine still sounds so fantastic after all these years. Whitney's voice was a fragment of what it once was in her final years -- Mariah's voice is extremely deteriorated -- and even some of the younger divas like Christina and Adele have had big vocal issues. Celine still sounds FABULOUS. Barbra Streisand has maintained her voice for so many years, and I hope Celine will continue to maintain her voice for as long as Barbra has.

 

I think her #1 problem today is her warbling/mini yodeling that she over-utilizes.

 

You hear it a lot in the first minutes of Purple Rain “HYO-nly want to sHEE you dancing HYIN the purple rain.”

 

To me her pronunciation/annunciation and clarity really are preventing her from being evidently the greatest singer...

[DestinMg5]

To me Celine still sounds amazing! no doubt but her pronunciation could be better. Hey guys, today I celebrate 4 years in the forum wow time flies!

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I think her #1 problem today is her warbling/mini yodeling that she over-utilizes.

 

You hear it a lot in the first minutes of Purple Rain “HYO-nly want to sHEE you dancing HYIN the purple rain.”

 

To me her pronunciation/annunciation and clarity really are preventing her from being evidently the greatest singer...

 

Even in Ashes. There’s a mini yodeling there. So, the new vocal coach should be out and the old strict vocal coach should be in again

[Javito]

Stop worrying about her vocal technique and bad singing today. The only reason why you see this "lazy" singing and bad pronunciation is a mixture of habits acquired through the years:

 

16 years of Vegas -------->

Same setlists of songs for continued years and years invariably ------------->

Same bored/dead audiences in Vegas that make her sing in the autopilot mode ------------>

Stagnated show with the same bunch of hits over and over again ------------>

She sings the hits in a way almost unrecogniseable and with turns and variations that are even annoying (PQTME), because she doesn't know what to do to offer something "new" or find something "exciting" about those hits to perform them with the same enthusiasm as when they were first performed.

 

===== Consequence======== She has acquired a lot of bad habits with her singing and as a result, she is totally sick and bored of singing those same songs. The insane amount of shows performed in Vegas during these years has had its toll in her inner passion and enthusiasm as a singer, and this shows today when we talk about her "odd" way of singing, words badly pronounced, scratching cat sounds and so on. The woman just doesn't know what to do to find a pinch of freshness and flavour in those overperformed songs.

 

Solution? Give her a break of singing and come back with a totally renewed show setlist. Sing no more than 8-10 hits in the show and the rest make it brand-new songs. Then we'll see a reborn Céline with a fresh voice singing again

 

However, reality is too different. We know she's abusing her voice with the next tour, she's going to perform an insane amount of shows and what's worst, all the same old songs are going to be there and she's not going to feel less bored and sick of performing them anymore. We all know more than 60% or more of the show is going to be all what we've seen in Vegas or past tours, because she just can't leave those damn classic songs behind! She has acquired a "performing routine" and bad habits and a comfort zone that is going to be very, very hard to leave

Edited July 19, 2019 at 09:00 AM by Javito

[sarit_celine]

Even in Ashes. There's a mini yodeling there. So, the new vocal coach should be out and the old strict vocal coach should be in again

 

I can't relate to Ashes... it doesn't do to me nothing + worst quailty of the production. Why they can't keep her voice simple, instead they are messing it up.

 

I loved the fact she did some playing in the end, it will be awesome if she could play a lead role in a good movie.

[jpatdeleon09]

Stop worrying about her vocal technique and bad singing today. The only reason why you see this "lazy" singing and bad pronunciation is a mixture of habits acquired through the years:

 

 

Annnnnnnd? Bad Vocal Coach. I want the old one. I think the old one is more strict than the new one which is i think she's too free like do whatever you want celine. be exhausted. I don't want that. I want the old one again. The old one will make her better again.. And teach celine the better way to sing at the age of 50's... and maybe the diction might be corrected

 

I think Aldo is the one who change céline's vocal coach.

Edited July 19, 2019 at 09:14 AM by jpatdeleon09

[CSCfan]

i think it is also less taxing on her voice to be nasal

 

This

[sarit_celine]

Stop worrying about her vocal technique and bad singing today. The only reason why you see this "lazy" singing and bad pronunciation is a mixture of habits acquired through the years:

 

 

Right on. Sometimes I wish these kind of thoughts will get to her directly.

[sarit_celine]

Javito, may I ask what is your opinion on "Play me like a love song"?

[Javito]

Javito, may I ask what is your opinion on "Play me like a love song"?

 

I can’t say still, I refuse to judge a song based on a 1 min clip, but what I listened, I loved it

[Taking Chances]

It's too easy to make a blanket statement like her "singing has gotten progressively worse over the last few years". She has demonstrated a multitude of times over the past few years that her voice can be just as powerful and crystal clear as it's ever been before. However, I do agree that she needs some direction sometimes in order to gravitate more towards those beautiful sounds she's still fully capable of vs the more nasal / gravely sounds she sometimes uses.

 

I don't mind her preserving her voice by being a bit more gravely while singing live (all great vocalists have to do what they've gotta do in order to preserve their voices) but this should never be the case in the studio. In the studio, her voice should only be that powerful, crystal clear tone that made her an icon to begin with. That's the difference between great producers vs not-so-great producers.

 

With that said --- we are SO lucky that Celine still sounds so fantastic after all these years. Whitney's voice was a fragment of what it once was in her final years -- Mariah's voice is extremely deteriorated -- and even some of the younger divas like Christina and Adele have had big vocal issues. Celine still sounds FABULOUS. Barbra Streisand has maintained her voice for so many years, and I hope Celine will continue to maintain her voice for as long as Barbra has.

 

That's not what I said though, and that's not what anyone said if I'm not mistaken. I don't even know if this reply was meant for me, but what I said her throat singing has gotten progressively worse over the years. It's a very important detail. If you remove "throat" from that sentence it completely changes the whole meaning of it. Celine is still in great shape, but there is no doubt she's gotten some bad habits.

 

I mean, Celine performs all the time. There is never any significant break to properly give her voice some time to rest. I guess this is what happens when you go none stop and never take any real breaks.

 

I absolutely agree with the second and third part of your post.