"Courage" album - Official Topic

[scielle]

Wish she'd esplore as much with music as she does in fashion.

 

Likewise.

I think she's heading in that direction though - just too slowly, and she (and team) are too far behind. We know she can execute in just about every genre - and it's such a waste that she doesn't fully embrace that versatility.

Part of the problem, too, is releasing new material so infrequently. If you wait 6+ years, then come up with something even slightly different, people revolt and assume you're changing your religion.

If she were to release new music more often, every new piece would be just another page in a long and varied book - and if it wasn't quite to your liking, you'd know there's something new and different just around the corner.

But when you release so little and so seldom, there's not enough bandwidth to play and experiment without the risk of alienating a large swathe of your audience, because every single move is so anticipated and scrutinized, and because every new move means so much.

[ryba]

 

 

Likewise.

I think she's heading in that direction though - just too slowly, and she (and team) are too far behind. We know she can execute in just about every genre - and it's such a waste that she doesn't fully embrace that versatility.

Part of the problem, too, is releasing new material so infrequently. If you wait 6+ years, then come up with something even slightly different, people revolt and assume you're changing your religion.

If she were to release new music more often, every new piece would be just another page in a long and varied book - and if it wasn't quite to your liking, you'd know there's something new and different just around the corner.

But when you release so little and so seldom, there's not enough bandwidth to play and experiment without the risk of alienating a large swathe of your audience, because every single move is so anticipated and scrutinized, and because every new move means so much.

preach!

[sarit_celine]

 

 

But does she have to offload her cheesey crap onto Celine? I like "Unfinished Songs" because I like all kinds of crap. But it's not a great song.

 

This song by Dianne was very low quality, no wonder no one remember this one

[sarit_celine]

I'm not sure that FOMO, although is a very nice, joyful song was the best choice in order to create a bazz around her new Album.

Maybe her team just want to keep secretly the other gems in the Album, so we will have a positive shock while hearing the full Album

 

I wonder when they will release a second single, it must be "Play me"!

[PuraVida]

 

 

It's surreal to hear Whitney's vocals again back when they were in their prime. She was one of a kind! So sad to lose her.

 

This song is also already a well-known song which is helping it climb the charts. I'm not sure it would've done so well if it weren't a cover song.

 

Whitney beating Celine from beyond the grave....

 

Great job, “Team Céline”... Then again, Celine will not care. As she loves to say, she has “nothing to prove”....

 

Translation? She won’t try to even get on the top of the charts or have a coherent strategy. Mariah doesn’t have anything to prove either, but she continues to write her own music, release music meaningful to her, and TRIES to promote and get things to chart as high as they can.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Whitney beating Celine from beyond the grave....

 

Great job, “Team Céline”... Then again, Celine will not care. As she loves to say, she has “nothing to prove”....

 

Translation? She won’t try to even get on the top of the charts or have a coherent strategy. Mariah doesn’t have anything to prove either, but she continues to write her own music, release music meaningful to her, and TRIES to promote and get things to chart as high as they can.

 

Mariah does not promote lol. For her entire Caution album she only did 3 interviews and 2 full performances of singles. Fans were extremely dissapointed in her. She then abandoned all promo to do her Xmas shows

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Whitney beating Celine from beyond the grave....

 

Great job, “Team Céline”... Then again, Celine will not care. As she loves to say, she has “nothing to prove”....

 

Translation? She won’t try to even get on the top of the charts or have a coherent strategy. Mariah doesn’t have anything to prove either, but she continues to write her own music, release music meaningful to her, and TRIES to promote and get things to chart as high as they can.

 

I don’t know what it will take for fans to give up on “having a #1 single!” Celine has flat out stated that she doesn’t care about having a #1 single. Rene said it to her from the beginning: “You don’t want to have a hit. You want to have a career.” A career is what Celine cares about and a career is what she’s got and will continue to have for many decades to come with or without any more “hits.”

[sarit_celine]

I think that after the results of LMBTL Celine is a bit afraid with the results for this new album without Rene on her side and it's understable. It's strange that she doesn't remind the world, she is about to launch a new Album nor doing anything about FOMO.

In any case, I have no doubt this new album is going to be way better.

[mb011]

 

I don’t know what it will take for fans to give up on “having a #1 single!” Celine has flat out stated that she doesn’t care about having a #1 single. Rene said it to her from the beginning: “You don’t want to have a hit. You want to have a career.” A career is what Celine cares about and a career is what she’s got and will continue to have for many decades to come with or without any more “hits.”

Rene was a genious.

[Shaun]

Interesting that we only heard the “you don’t want to have a hit you want to have a career” story after she stopped having hits. I wonder if they felt the same in the 90’s when those hits were allowing her to build her career.

 

The time certainly has come however to forget about chasing chart positions and radio airplay because it’s clear now it isn’t going to happen regardless of what she does. I truly believe even a duet with Adele, Beyoncé or Ed Sheeran would be ignored by radio. I don’t know why she’s been abandoned by English radio since 2003 but she has. Is it Vegas related? I don’t know. I don’t buy it’s age related either. Pink is 39 and receives massive airplay and chart success with her singles. Celine was 39 when Taking Chances was released and, yet again, it was ignored everywhere.

 

I’m so over it now.

[CSCfan]

I think that after the results of LMBTL Celine is a bit afraid with the results for this new album without Rene on her side and it's understable.

Sighh....do you really believe Céline cares about chart positions?

 

No.

 

Yes, it's "all" in "her" hands now and yes that must('ve been) daunting for her, but I think she cares more about loving the songs now.

 

Interesting that we only heard the "you don't want to have a hit you want to have a career" story after she stopped having hits. I wonder if they felt the same in the 90's when those hits were allowing her to build her career.

 

The time certainly has come however to forget about chasing chart positions and radio airplay because it's clear now it isn't going to happen regardless of what she does. I truly believe even a duet with Adele, Beyoncé or Ed Sheeran would be ignored by radio. I don't know why she's been abandoned by English radio since 2003 but she has. Is it Vegas related? I don't know. I don't buy it's age related either. Pink is 39 and receives massive airplay and chart success with her singles. Celine was 39 when Taking Chances was released and, yet again, it was ignored everywhere.

 

I'm so over it now.

 

Absolutely.

 

I think the 'abandonment' is because of numerous of reasons, but primarily because of MHWGO (fatigue) and her status as "ballad queen" (in the '00's).

[DionFanAlways]

Interesting that we only heard the "you don't want to have a hit you want to have a career" story after she stopped having hits. I wonder if they felt the same in the 90's when those hits were allowing her to build her career.

 

The time certainly has come however to forget about chasing chart positions and radio airplay because it's clear now it isn't going to happen regardless of what she does. I truly believe even a duet with Adele, Beyoncé or Ed Sheeran would be ignored by radio. I don't know why she's been abandoned by English radio since 2003 but she has. Is it Vegas related? I don't know. I don't buy it's age related either. Pink is 39 and receives massive airplay and chart success with her singles. Celine was 39 when Taking Chances was released and, yet again, it was ignored everywhere.

 

I'm so over it now.

Yes and just enjoy the show now.

[Javito]

I don’t know what it will take for fans to give up on “having a #1 single!” Celine has flat out stated that she doesn’t care about having a #1 single. Rene said it to her from the beginning: “You don’t want to have a hit. You want to have a career.” A career is what Celine cares about and a career is what she’s got and will continue to have for many decades to come with or without any more “hits.”

 

And how did they build that career, if it wasn't because of the hits achieved in the 90s and all the hard promo? That speech only came 3 years ago, when she can enjoy a relaxed position and a legend status where she can stay home in her pijamas and no longer care about album sales, ticket sales and so, but I'd wish to see their position back in 1981 and even in mid 90s when she constanty said "I want to be an international star" and reach everyone everywhere with her songs even if she had to sing in other languages. How do you achieve that if it's not with one hit after another?

[AdrienneM]

I think he meant more of A hit, rather than multiple. Kind of like he was saying you dont want to be a one hit wonder who fades out after a year. Hits are what build careers, but there is more to it then that

[Ukrfan]

Interesting that we only heard the "you don't want to have a hit you want to have a career" story after she stopped having hits. I wonder if they felt the same in the 90's when those hits were allowing her to build her career.

 

The time certainly has come however to forget about chasing chart positions and radio airplay because it's clear now it isn't going to happen regardless of what she does. I truly believe even a duet with Adele, Beyoncé or Ed Sheeran would be ignored by radio. I don't know why she's been abandoned by English radio since 2003 but she has. Is it Vegas related? I don't know. I don't buy it's age related either. Pink is 39 and receives massive airplay and chart success with her singles. Celine was 39 when Taking Chances was released and, yet again, it was ignored everywhere.

 

I'm so over it now.

 

Age has nothing to do with Celine not being played on radio in 2007. A year before, 50-year-old Madonna dominated the whole world with her Confessions on a Dance Floor.

Pink is played because Pink tries. Because she wows the audience. Because she is an artist and knows how to present each song. Look at her live performances, her music videos. She is cool. Just take a look at this masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrsqTKoHfw

This is what a PERFORMANCE is. She does not stand in front of a mike as if we are living in 20th century. She SINGS, she MOVES, she DANCES, she uses GREAT VISUALS, she ROCKS that stage. Young people look at this and think "Wow, she's cool".

 

And by the way, that is how you use the water screen (6:13). Celine had her own in Vegas, yet it was just falling to the ground. Now look at what Pink's waterfall does. Illusions, animations!!! And I assume it was created just for one performance at the Brit Awards 2019. Celine had like several years of performing with the waterfall. Yet, the only thing it did was simply falling water. So no comparison between these two ladies, sorry. I won't be surprised at all if Pink is played at radios in 10 years.

Edited July 14, 2019 at 12:52 PM by Ukrfan

[jpatdeleon09]

But sometimes i feel scared for Pink because almost all of her performances have this death defying stunts.. flying so high and being up there for how many minutes and swirling around the arena while singing.. I remember one of her performance gone wrong she had an accident..

 

(different angles)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNa0-PXDZmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Z9zs7abXU

Edited July 14, 2019 at 01:48 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Ukrfan]

But sometimes i feel scared for Pink because almost all of her performances have this death defying stunts.. flying so high and being up there for how many minutes and swirling around the arena while singing.. I remember one of her performance gone wrong she had an accident..

 

(different angles)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNa0-PXDZmA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Z9zs7abXU

 

I remember I saw this in a compilation (something like "stars fails" etc.). Btw, Celine was also there with her fall in Montreal (?) when she screamed "He scoooores!". Anyway, I believe it was not Pink's fault, but her teams'. Yet I agree, she does dangerous stuff sometimes. It is magical to watch it though. I wish I could have seen TFTEISYF live in Vegas when Celine was flying!

Edited July 14, 2019 at 02:37 PM by Ukrfan

[jpatdeleon09]

I remember I saw this in a compilation (something like "stars fails" etc.). Btw, Celine was also there with her fall in Montreal (?) when she screamed "He scoooores!". Anyway, I believe it was not Pink's fault, but her teams'. Yet I agree, she does dangerous stuff sometimes. It is magical to watch it though. I wish I could have seen TFTEISYF live in Vegas when Celine was flying!

 

I remember that and she said.. "Don't worry about it... it's made of steel.." LOL

 

Yeah! I like the TFTEISYF performance and I wish i saw it LIVE

[maki_Dion-er]

Many of you need to realize that Celine is not Pink, not Madonna, not Cher, not Beyonce, not Gaga, etc. She has her own style of performing.

 

But she doesn't dance or move? Maybe you need to watch more of her performances. If the song calls for movement then she does just that but do you really expect her to dance and be energetic with songs like All By Myself, MHWGO, TT, or Ashes?

 

The story about not having a hit is obviously about not being a one hit wonder. When she was beginning her career they were promoting her like crazy to get her known, to get her music in people's minds. They obviously wanted success but success all around not just with one song. But Celine is established now and just isn't interested in chasing hits. A lot here need to move on and get over it, if it's not her priority then why should you obsess over it?

 

If she has another big success and is played on the radio then that will be fantastic, but don't let the need for that overshadow everything else. It isn't necessary and the constant nagging and whining here about how she needs to do this or why she isn't doing that, she has no ambition, no creativity, blah blah, is grating and tiring.

Just get over it.

[fred]

Guys, if it was only due to MHWGO-fatigue they wouldn't had played TTWIS and IDAN the way they did either. I think one factor that we as fans forget (and perhaps doesn't want to see) is that she isn't recording good enough songs anymore, and they RARELY get high quality and "current" production (Ashes is an exception and Ashes did WELL). It's like her team thinks "we can record whatever and however coz she's Céline Dion!" and get away with it.

 

Yes Taking Chances was (and is) a wonderful (and actually quite well produced track) but is it "radio great"? No no no no… Releasing Alone, a cover that didn't devient enough from the orignal was doomed to fail and make everyone think what she's thinking trying to get an "easy hit" with someone else's hit.

 

GBTSW killed her hit career according to me, and she hasn't been able to recover since. Would we had a different outcome if they released IS and SFL? Perhaps…. even probably. And to follow IDAN they could have picked Reveal (which was actually SOMEWHAT current at the time) but they choose one of the worst songs she has ever recorded (OH) and radio don't play her since… Gee I wonder why. It's like she doesn't take her music seriously enough and I think radio senses that.

Edited July 14, 2019 at 07:54 PM by fred

[mirage]

Amen!

 

And this way she could easily keep her setlists fresh and new.

 

Who knows how much Courage they have with this new album and tour.

But since Celine is on 'holiday' now, so is her whole social media team apparently.

 

They need to be consictent with their updates. There is plenty of pictures, videos or whatever to post.

 

 

 

Likewise.

I think she's heading in that direction though - just too slowly, and she (and team) are too far behind. We know she can execute in just about every genre - and it's such a waste that she doesn't fully embrace that versatility.

Part of the problem, too, is releasing new material so infrequently. If you wait 6+ years, then come up with something even slightly different, people revolt and assume you're changing your religion.

If she were to release new music more often, every new piece would be just another page in a long and varied book - and if it wasn't quite to your liking, you'd know there's something new and different just around the corner.

But when you release so little and so seldom, there's not enough bandwidth to play and experiment without the risk of alienating a large swathe of your audience, because every single move is so anticipated and scrutinized, and because every new move means so much.

[nuts2you]

I wonder how many songs she will do off this album, for this tour

[AdrienneM]

I wonder how many songs she will do off this album, for this tour

 

Probably only 3 at the start... FOMO, The Lead Single and probably Courage. Then after the albums release she might add 2 or 3 more

[Javito]

Guys, if it was only due to MHWGO-fatigue they wouldn't had played TTWIS and IDAN the way they did either. I think one factor that we as fans forget (and perhaps doesn't want to see) is that she isn't recording good enough songs anymore, and they RARELY get high quality and "current" production (Ashes is an exception and Ashes did WELL). It's like her team thinks "we can record whatever and however coz she's Céline Dion!" and get away with it.

 

Yes Taking Chances was (and is) a wonderful (and actually quite well produced track) but is it "radio great"? No no no no… Releasing Alone, a cover that didn't devient enough from the orignal was doomed to fail and make everyone think what she's thinking trying to get an "easy hit" with someone else's hit.

 

GBTSW killed her hit career according to me, and she hasn't been able to recover since. Would we had a different outcome if they released IS and SFL? Perhaps…. even probably. And to follow IDAN they could have picked Reveal (which was actually SOMEWHAT current at the time) but they choose one of the worst songs she has ever recorded (OH) and radio don't play her since… Gee I wonder why. It's like she doesn't take her music seriously enough and I think radio senses that.

 

I think One Heart is far from being one of the worst songs she has ever recorded... It might not be the best choice for a second single in the album, but looking back at it today the song is catchy, funny and delivers a message, and imo it's way better than most of the contents of her last English album from A to Z

 

Amen!

 

And this way she could easily keep her setlists fresh and new.

 

Who knows how much Courage they have with this new album and tour.

But since Celine is on 'holiday' now, so is her whole social media team apparently.

 

They need to be consictent with their updates. There is plenty of pictures, videos or whatever to post.

 

Don't worry, we'll have flashback moments of the Hyde Park show every now and the whole summer in her social pages

[Javito]

I wonder how many songs she will do off this album, for this tour

 

According to some opinions in this forum, she will keep singing only FOMO and that's it, because "people want to hear her sing the hits and only the songs they know from her and the songs they can sing along with her in the shows"

 

Following this criteria, she no longer needs to present new songs in her concerts until the end and she can do the Hyde Park setlist forever and for always because that's just what "people" wants to hear

Edited July 14, 2019 at 08:31 PM by Javito

[sarit_celine]

Actually I remember GTSW got massive airplay on Tv and Radio stations back then, can't figure it why it did not do well on charts, it is a fantastic song which I really love.

 

To my opinion they should have released other song than FOMO, not a ballad, but something that will make people want to listen to it, over and over again.

[sarit_celine]

I think One Heart is far from being one of the worst songs she has ever recorded... It might not be the best choice for a second single in the album, but looking back at it today the song is catchy, funny and delivers a message, and imo it's way better than most of the contents of her last English album from A to Z

 

Don't worry, we'll have flashback moments of the Hyde Park show every now and the whole summer in her social pages

 

Actually today "OH" stuck in my head during all day lol, it's a great song to my opinion.

Edited July 14, 2019 at 08:37 PM by sarit_celine

[Shaun]

Comparisons to other artists may be unfair but the point remains that English radio has largely ignored her since 2003.

 

We can blame bad single choices here and there (Alone being an example) but an artist of Celine’s stature should get the benefit of the doubt with her next album / single no? Loved Me Back To Life ignored. Incredible ignored. Recovering ignored. We can go back even further to include Miracle, In Some Small Way and You and I.

 

The point being even if some poor single choices were ignored by radio simply because they were poor choices, Celine has released enough varied material since to warrant airplay. It has never come. I fear now that it will never come.

Edited July 14, 2019 at 08:53 PM by Shaun

[Javito]

Boycott??

 

The problem comes from a long time ago and it started in 2003 as we all know...

[fred]

You mean Recovering, Miracle, In Some Small Way are good radio songs? Thank God YAI has been left untouched since 2003, such a cheesy song IMO.

 

Comparisons to other artists may be unfair but the point remains that English radio has largely ignored her since 2003.

 

We can blame bad single choices here and there (Alone being an example) but an artist of Celine's stature should get the benefit of the doubt with her next album / single no? Loved Me Back To Life ignored. Incredible ignored. Recovering ignored. We can go back even further to include Miracle, In Some Small Way and You and I.

 

The point being even if some poor single choices were ignored by radio simply because they were poor choices, Celine has released enough varied material since to warrant airplay. It has never come. I fear now that it will never come.

Edited July 14, 2019 at 09:50 PM by fred