"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Moleque20]

Stop being so negative, really. You are ruining everyone's hope and dreams. I have been crying for the last 59.3 minutes with all the negativity. 59.4 minutes now and my eyes are red and wet. #positivitywillprevail #banallthenegativepeople

 

Please stop it. Where are all the happy and positive messages that Celine will score a 3x diamond in the USA, that she will have 2 Grammies? Am I the only positive person here? If you are so negative, find another forum, please!

 

#POSITIVITY

[gafsa]

People need to remember that just because someone has a marketing degree, it doesn’t mean they know what the hell they’re doing. There is a reason why people make fun of those degrees. Just sayin’.

 

True, sometimes I wonder how the hell some people can get their degree, they can't even do the simple job.

[mirage]

I can still hear FOMO during the live event and Celine saying 'you heard some new music' somewhere in the background, that's not fair now let me play Ashes for you...

Who thought that would be a good idea?!

[manu23]

People need to remember that just because someone has a marketing degree, it doesn’t mean they know what the hell they’re doing. There is a reason why people make fun of those degrees. Just sayin’.

 

Marketing and sales are two of the areas in business where you can more easily measure results. Since you know so much about marketing I guess you are familiar with the term ROI. If an album sells 5M units but to do so the record company needs to invest in promotion more than what they get then they gain nothing. LMBTL for instance wasn’t a huge seller, still it was one of the most profitable albums for Sony that year. So believe me, they know what they do.

[Xpresso]

I can still hear FOMO during the live event and Celine saying 'you heard some new music' somewhere in the background, that's not fair now let me play Ashes for you...

Who thought that would be a good idea?!

Sony I'm sure!

[mirage]

Of course they know what they do.

Absolutely zero effort because her albums will sell anyway.

They don't need to invest THAT much on her to even make a profit.

 

That's why the easy November release.

 

 

 

 

 

Marketing and sales are two of the areas in business where you can more easily measure results. Since you know so much about marketing I guess you are familiar with the term ROI. If an album sells 5M units but to do so the record company needs to invest in promotion more than what they get then they gain nothing. LMBTL for instance wasn’t a huge seller, still it was one of the most profitable albums for Sony that year. So believe me, they know what they do.

[fred]

Hahahahahaha!! 😙

 

Stop being so negative, really. You are ruining everyone's hope and dreams. I have been crying for the last 59.3 minutes with all the negativity. 59.4 minutes now and my eyes are red and wet. #positivitywillprevail #banallthenegativepeople

 

Please stop it. Where are all the happy and positive messages that Celine will score a 3x diamond in the USA, that she will have 2 Grammies? Am I the only positive person here? If you are so negative, find another forum, please!

 

#POSITIVITY

[manu23]

Of course they know what they do.

Absolutely zero effort because her albums will sell anyway.

They don't need to invest THAT much on her to even make a profit.

 

That's why the easy November release.

 

Yeah, because Carpool is free, going to Jimmy Kimel too, going to MET Gala 0 cost, the mini concert in L.A. 0 investment, the Ciao Vegas video also nada, the Paris fashion week Celine paid herself most probably... If you think PR and brand building is free you are quite mistaken, all exposure Celine is getting costs (and a lot)

[mirage]

You missing the point nevermind.

I'm not that stupid to think it cost zero investment.

 

 

 

Yeah, because Carpool is free, going to Jimmy Kimel too, going to MET Gala 0 cost, the mini concert in L.A. 0 investment, the Ciao Vegas video also nada, the Paris fashion week Celine paid herself most probably... If you think PR and brand building is free you are quite mistaken, all exposure Celine is getting costs (and a lot)

[fred]

And still, all of that investment, and no new music to promote. Its mind-boggling.

 

 

 

Yeah, because Carpool is free, going to Jimmy Kimel too, going to MET Gala 0 cost, the mini concert in L.A. 0 investment, the Ciao Vegas video also nada, the Paris fashion week Celine paid herself most probably... If you think PR and brand building is free you are quite mistaken, all exposure Celine is getting costs (and a lot)

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Marketing and sales are two of the areas in business where you can more easily measure results. Since you know so much about marketing I guess you are familiar with the term ROI. If an album sells 5M units but to do so the record company needs to invest in promotion more than what they get then they gain nothing. LMBTL for instance wasn’t a huge seller, still it was one of the most profitable albums for Sony that year. So believe me, they know what they do.

 

Keep in mind, this is the same marketing team who:

 

Squandered the “Ashes” wave, and did practically nothing with it.

 

Chose “Goodbye’s (The Saddest Word)” and “Alone” as singles from their respective albums, causing all interest in them to tank significantly.

 

Hasn’t bothered themselves to release a second volume for “The Collector’s Series.”

 

Cancelled any momentum “A cause” could have given the “D’elles” album even before the single had a chance to shine or fail.

 

Never did a proper music video for “Loved Me Back To Life” or “Encore un soir.”

 

Promoted a tepid studio remake of a Queen classic while supposedly promoting a new French album.

 

Treats Celine’s French career apologetically.

 

Can’t get their crap together regarding her YouTube videos’ geo-blocking mistakes.

 

Has ignored the pleas of numerous fans to acknowledge the sheer amount of love for songs such as “Then You Look At Me,” “Cherche encore,” “Right In Front Of You,” “Thankful,” and “Attendre.”

 

Believed versatile water bottles were what was going to make people buy from her online store instead of truly unique and well-branded and crafted merchandise.

 

Ignores major album and single anniversaries, but will instead concentrate their efforts on clips of her rolling paint on a random wall.

 

Creates a gig in Los Angeles to supposedly promote a new album and tour, but doesn’t actually play ANY of the new songs in full.

 

And finally, for “Loved Me Back To Life” being such the success you say it was/is, nothing from that album has become iconic or classic to the casual listener’s mind.

 

In the end, Celine could literally take a French-Canadian dump on The Colosseum’s stage, and the press would lap it up as her just being “quirky”. After all, “she’s Celine Dion.”

 

I truly hope after Vegas is done with, she gets better marketing people in place who will make sure the mistakes of the past don’t happen again.

[AdrienneM]

I see now why so many people say “i havent been on here in a long time” or “this place is very negative”... wow.

[SuperLove4Celine]

I see now why so many people say “i havent been on here in a long time” or “this place is very negative”... wow.

 

Sometimes the truth is too hard for people to swallow. Especially when they have rose colored glasses on regarding a celebrity they like.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Sometimes the truth is too hard for people to swallow. Especially when they have rose colored glasses on regarding a celebrity they like.

 

I have no issue pointing out my issues with celine (or her team for that matter), but making a huge list of said issues and basically saying anyone who doesnt discuss them or agree with them is delusional or dumb isnt the way to go about it

Edited May 23, 2019 at 11:45 PM by AdrienneM

[Xpresso]

Truth is fine but lack or respect is not. Fail.

[Xpresso]

How about posting a list of positive achievements next? I'm sure you can come up with a few.

[SuperLove4Celine]

How about posting a list of positive achievements next? I'm sure you can come up with a few.

 

Nah. I’m good. Thanks for the offer, though.

[PuraVida]

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the same marketing team who:

 

Squandered the “Ashes” wave, and did practically nothing with it.

 

Chose “Goodbye’s (The Saddest Word)” and “Alone” as singles from their respective albums, causing all interest in them to tank significantly.

 

Hasn’t bothered themselves to release a second volume for “The Collector’s Series.”

 

Cancelled any momentum “A cause” could have given the “D’elles” album even before the single had a chance to shine or fail.

 

Never did a proper music video for “Loved Me Back To Life” or “Encore un soir.”

 

Promoted a tepid studio remake of a Queen classic while supposedly promoting a new French album.

 

Treats Celine’s French career apologetically.

 

Can’t get their crap together regarding her YouTube videos’ geo-blocking mistakes.

 

Has ignored the pleas of numerous fans to acknowledge the sheer amount of love for songs such as “Then You Look At Me,” “Cherche encore,” “Right In Front Of You,” “Thankful,” and “Attendre.”

 

Believed versatile water bottles were what was going to make people buy from her online store instead of truly unique and well-branded and crafted merchandise.

 

Ignores major album and single anniversaries, but will instead concentrate their efforts on clips of her rolling paint on a random wall.

 

Creates a gig in Los Angeles to supposedly promote a new album and tour, but doesn’t actually play ANY of the new songs in full.

 

And finally, for “Loved Me Back To Life” being such the success you say it was/is, nothing from that album has become iconic or classic to the casual listener’s mind.

 

In the end, Celine could literally take a French-Canadian dump on The Colosseum’s stage, and the press would lap it up as her just being “quirky”. After all, “she’s Celine Dion.”

 

I truly hope after Vegas is done with, she gets better marketing people in place who will make sure the mistakes of the past don’t happen again.

 

Preach it!!!

 

I would really like to know exactly who some of this team is. At any rate, they provide good reason for Celine to finally take the wheel of her career more...although it appears that may just be on song selection.

 

To be honest, I got irked even when they waited like a week or whatever it was to put her Billboard Icon performance up on YouTube...but that’s just a fan wanting to maximize her views and exposure.

Edited May 24, 2019 at 02:39 AM by PuraVida

[actofcontrition]

Sony is so stupid! Everybody is talking about Celine NOW because of the carpool karaoke but when you go on itunes : duh! nothing new!

 

Come on! They could have release the new song from carpool right now and flying on my own in late june!

[fred]

Hear hear!

 

And don't forget THE best English tour ever (2017) considering track list with fan favourites like no other tour or concert. And never released it for all her fans to have and savour it even though they shot it.

 

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the same marketing team who:

 

Squandered the “Ashes” wave, and did practically nothing with it.

 

Chose “Goodbye’s (The Saddest Word)” and “Alone” as singles from their respective albums, causing all interest in them to tank significantly.

 

Hasn’t bothered themselves to release a second volume for “The Collector’s Series.”

 

Cancelled any momentum “A cause” could have given the “D’elles” album even before the single had a chance to shine or fail.

 

Never did a proper music video for “Loved Me Back To Life” or “Encore un soir.”

 

Promoted a tepid studio remake of a Queen classic while supposedly promoting a new French album.

 

Treats Celine’s French career apologetically.

 

Can’t get their crap together regarding her YouTube videos’ geo-blocking mistakes.

 

Has ignored the pleas of numerous fans to acknowledge the sheer amount of love for songs such as “Then You Look At Me,” “Cherche encore,” “Right In Front Of You,” “Thankful,” and “Attendre.”

 

Believed versatile water bottles were what was going to make people buy from her online store instead of truly unique and well-branded and crafted merchandise.

 

Ignores major album and single anniversaries, but will instead concentrate their efforts on clips of her rolling paint on a random wall.

 

Creates a gig in Los Angeles to supposedly promote a new album and tour, but doesn’t actually play ANY of the new songs in full.

 

And finally, for “Loved Me Back To Life” being such the success you say it was/is, nothing from that album has become iconic or classic to the casual listener’s mind.

 

In the end, Celine could literally take a French-Canadian dump on The Colosseum’s stage, and the press would lap it up as her just being “quirky”. After all, “she’s Celine Dion.”

 

I truly hope after Vegas is done with, she gets better marketing people in place who will make sure the mistakes of the past don’t happen again.

Edited May 24, 2019 at 05:31 AM by fred

[browseceline]

I see now why so many people say “i havent been on here in a long time” or “this place is very negative”... wow.

 

why? you can close your eyes but he is soooo right! just speaking the truth.

 

 

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Edited May 24, 2019 at 05:34 AM by browseceline

[mirage]

This post has nothing to do with negativity in my opinion.

 

They always go 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

This list sums up all the steps back.

 

Maybe pin this list down as a must read for her team who supposedly secretly read this forum.

 

 

 

Keep in mind, this is the same marketing team who:

 

Squandered the “Ashes” wave, and did practically nothing with it.

 

Chose “Goodbye’s (The Saddest Word)” and “Alone” as singles from their respective albums, causing all interest in them to tank significantly.

 

Hasn’t bothered themselves to release a second volume for “The Collector’s Series.”

 

Cancelled any momentum “A cause” could have given the “D’elles” album even before the single had a chance to shine or fail.

 

Never did a proper music video for “Loved Me Back To Life” or “Encore un soir.”

 

Promoted a tepid studio remake of a Queen classic while supposedly promoting a new French album.

 

Treats Celine’s French career apologetically.

 

Can’t get their crap together regarding her YouTube videos’ geo-blocking mistakes.

 

Has ignored the pleas of numerous fans to acknowledge the sheer amount of love for songs such as “Then You Look At Me,” “Cherche encore,” “Right In Front Of You,” “Thankful,” and “Attendre.”

 

Believed versatile water bottles were what was going to make people buy from her online store instead of truly unique and well-branded and crafted merchandise.

 

Ignores major album and single anniversaries, but will instead concentrate their efforts on clips of her rolling paint on a random wall.

 

Creates a gig in Los Angeles to supposedly promote a new album and tour, but doesn’t actually play ANY of the new songs in full.

 

And finally, for “Loved Me Back To Life” being such the success you say it was/is, nothing from that album has become iconic or classic to the casual listener’s mind.

 

In the end, Celine could literally take a French-Canadian dump on The Colosseum’s stage, and the press would lap it up as her just being “quirky”. After all, “she’s Celine Dion.”

 

I truly hope after Vegas is done with, she gets better marketing people in place who will make sure the mistakes of the past don’t happen again.

[CSCfan]

Keep in mind, this is the same marketing team

 

 

No it’s not. There’s been a lot of different “teams” in her career.

Yes, some big honchos have had a lot of influences (Rene, Aldo, Dave, John Doelp, Vito Luprano, Pepe), but it’s not as if her team has been the same for 30 years and you can blame the same people.

 

That said, and this has been said a thousand times before, she needs a younger manager. But in the end, it’s what she wants at this point in her career and life.

[Shamrock_1982]

Useless c****!

 

They never learn... there is no bigger platform this year, what a f****** waste of promo, absolute idiots.

 

What are they waiting for... Hyde park with another crap live performance music video for the first single.... yeah cos that went well the last time with LMBTL didn’t it!

 

Knob heads!

Edited May 24, 2019 at 07:15 AM by Shamrock_1982

[Peppercorn1991]

Well that’s another Friday without new music! It feels like we are so close but so far away from new music at the same time.

 

Kev x

[AdrienneM]

I feel like people don’t understand the concept of building a reputation and getting her noticed again.

 

Each step has been calculated. Theyre reexposing her to the masses, shaping her personality for the GP, reminding everyone she exists... theyre making sure that the GP is looking at what shes doing and has built up excitement so that when she does release people are excited, will know about it and will actually care.

 

Youre all too angry and pressed about something YOU want to see it now, but them waiting for Vegas to be finished before starting is the smartest thing they can do, period.

Edited May 24, 2019 at 07:51 AM by AdrienneM

[Peppercorn1991]

I feel like people don’t understand the concept of building a reputation and getting her noticed again.

 

Each step has been calculated. Theyre reexposing her to the masses, shaping her personality for the GP, reminding everyone she exists... theyre making sure that the GP is looking at what shes doing and has built up excitement so that when she does release people are excited, will know about it and will actually care.

 

Youre all too angry and pressed about something YOU want to see it now, but them waiting for Vegas to be finished before starting is the smartest thing they can do, period.

 

I agree with you 100% but you also must see that it’s hard for us fans who have waited so long.... I think right now we see the album on the horizon and we are getting excited/impatient.... it’s a natural human trait when you want something so badly....

 

Kev x

[Shamrock_1982]

To me it’s like going on the xfactor live shows to perform a new song and then not bothering to release it!!!!

 

I mean what was the point in mentioning it at all?!?

 

Ludacris!!!!!

Edited May 24, 2019 at 08:08 AM by Shamrock_1982

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I agree with you 100% but you also must see that it’s hard for us fans who have waited so long.... I think right now we see the album on the horizon and we are getting excited/impatient.... it’s a natural human trait when you want something so badly....

 

Kev x

 

Exactly, and i agree with your point as well. People just need to take a step back and look closely at the bigger picture

[AdrienneM]

To me it’s like going on the xfactor live shows to perform a new song and then not bothering to release it!!!!

 

I mean what was the point in mentioning it at all?!?

 

Ludacris!!!!!

 

Its called teasing. I doubt back in March they knew what they were gonna do for a single, and so thats why we have two different snippets for different things.

 

Its building hype, hell, everyone in the comments was asking what the song was, people were saying its probably off a new album coming out this year and they were saying they were definitely looking out for it.

 

Say all you want about her marketing team, but this method is working... WELL