"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ruimarques]

And about the "proving" or not proving something, that's a debate that opens a can of worms... but why do we think she has to prove something? Well, because actually she has to. And with this album, more than ever. She'll have to prove something else with this album than just the mere contractual process of releasing "another" album, for the sake of it!

 

The more time it has passed since her last English album in 2013, the more expectatives are, the more pressure is created, and she can either release a GREAT memorable album, or repeat the chaotic careless formula in LMBTL and her recording career will be definitely ignored forever (if it's not already).

 

She has to prove something. She can't take everything for granted and I'm sure she does not. Her public won't be buying anything she puts out, and that already happened with LMBTL album. She has to prove something now with this album and that's part of why she's taking so long to release this damn disc, because she has a lot of pressure on it this time. Prove it for herself, prove it to René, prove it to the industry that she can make it without René, call it what you like but of course there's something to prove with this album. Trying to deny this is the same as accepting Céline has given up any efforts in her recording career and even adopted some arrogant attitude, taking for granted that just because she's "Celine Dion" she doesn't need to prove anything else in the Music, and that's a sad thought

And about the "proving" or not proving something, that's a debate that opens a can of worms... but why do we think she has to prove something? Well, because actually she has to. And with this album, more than ever. She'll have to prove something else with this album than just the mere contractual process of releasing "another" album, for the sake of it!

 

The more time it has passed since her last English album in 2013, the more expectatives are, the more pressure is created, and she can either release a GREAT memorable album, or repeat the chaotic careless formula in LMBTL and her recording career will be definitely ignored forever (if it's not already).

 

She has to prove something. She can't take everything for granted and I'm sure she does not. Her public won't be buying anything she puts out, and that already happened with LMBTL album. She has to prove something now with this album and that's part of why she's taking so long to release this damn disc, because she has a lot of pressure on it this time. Prove it for herself, prove it to René, prove it to the industry that she can make it without René, call it what you like but of course there's something to prove with this album. Trying to deny this is the same as accepting Céline has given up any efforts in her recording career and even adopted some arrogant attitude, taking for granted that just because she's "Celine Dion" she doesn't need to prove anything else in the Music, and that's a sad thought

 

 

There is where you are WRONG!

 

She doesn't have to proof anything at all ... and she started to spread those words right after RC was born ... she has been competed as a human being that time and since she do music as a part of her life (NOT AS HER LIFE WOULD DEPEND ON IT) ... She love to experiment (we can see it in everything she do) but this is just for fun! She has got DIVA status long time ago and therefore she doesn't need to proof anything. She do not care if her album will be a bestseller or if its gonna do well in charts .. She basicly loves to sing for people who loves her and I am definitely one of those people <3

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Excuse me??

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfgNddVjBGI

 

 

I'm glad I'm able to discover something new to you after all because actually she was there that night, and performed with Mary J. Blige again the same song

 

But for a rights reason (as usually), Whitney's performance was not included in the home DVD release, so most people have no idea Whitney and Céline were actually sharing the same stage once.

 

It was just another missed moment for Celine to collaborate and perform with another legend, and that night was a unique opportunity

 

Also I remember all the Divas came out together at the end of the show and that was the only time Céline and Whitney shared the stage together...

 

No question Cher was a more approachable diva that night Whitney didn't even do the red carpet photocall, she was the only one not posing for the photographers

 

Cher, Celine, Whitney together that night... Just imagine what a party and the jam session that the three of them could have put up together backstage

 

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xqxN6R8Ag1Q/R5JJaQsM4_I/AAAAAAAAAG0/DiGHSe16WQk/s400/20020523dlv011%5B1%5D.jpghttp://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxoeCyuWEAI7oAi.jpg

 

I was already corrected and admitted my mistake above.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

 

 

Agree but in 1998 with her massively successful album My Love Is Your Love she could still have done marvels with her voice. She still had that voice and at least during the TV promotion o the album she was absolutely flawless (the proof is in the pudding, her duet with Mariah for the Prince of Egypt is amazing and she has impressive vocals there that had nothing to envy Céline's).

 

Céline has never had no rival but herself and Whitney imo.

 

Some performances of Whitney on TV that show she still had it in 1998 (and well through 2000 too)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OlwYJ364k

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvwK1Pbsvc4

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRdNhgaOio

 

 

 

 

That was because they eliminated her participation from the DVD release, so few people know she was there. But the TV broadcast luckily included her performance.

 

s*** the DVD release is heavily edited. I don't know why the hell they bring together so many legends the same night and then they release a video of it with barely half of the show included (because they cut more songs and speeches) :doh:

 

I was referring to the original broadcast that I recorded myself years ago. I haven’t watched in a very long time. But even after watching dozens of times, I still don’t remember the performance.

[Javito]

There is where you are WRONG!

 

She doesn't have to proof anything at all ... and she started to spread those words right after RC was born ... she has been competed as a human being that time and since she do music as a part of her life (NOT AS HER LIFE WOULD DEPEND ON IT) ... She love to experiment (we can see it in everything she do) but this is just for fun! She has got DIVA status long time ago and therefore she doesn't need to proof anything. She do not care if her album will be a bestseller or if its gonna do well in charts .. She basicly loves to sing for people who loves her and I am definitely one of those people <3

 

Ermmm

 

1) Wasn't she a "human being" before RC was born??

 

2) Mind you, she loves to sing basically for rich people, judging by the prices of her last tours and the type of public that attends her Vegas shows and the current prices they're asking

 

I was referring to the original broadcast that I recorded myself years ago. I haven't watched in a very long time. But even after watching dozens of times, I still don't remember the performance.

 

Must have happened something similar to what we got with the 2002 CBS Special; the regular US broadcast was edited and only in Germany they got the additional performances of GTSW and Aun existe amor.

[ryba]

Ermmm

 

1) Wasn't she a "human being" before RC was born??

 

2) Mind you, she loves to sing basically for rich people, judging by the prices of her last tours and the type of public that attends her Vegas shows and the current prices they're asking

 

 

 

Must have happened something similar to what we got with the 2002 CBS Special; the regular US broadcast was edited and only in Germany they got the additional performances of GTSW and Aun existe amor.

[ryba]

I really wonder what the deal with this new album is. It’s crazy how long everything takes and apparently they’ve changed the concept. I would really hope that she will share the whole story behind that album in an interview one day. I would also love an elaborate song by song documentary with in studio footage. She did that in the past. Bring it back! Edited November 23, 2018 at 06:06 PM by ryba

[Javito]

Watched the whole Divas 2002. I’m Alive live performance there was epic. Vocals and her energy was orgasmic

 

The whole edition of this Divas show was epic again.

 

Now we only need they give us the whole unedited show lol

[Javito]

I really wonder what the deal with this new album is. It’s crazy how long everything takes and apparently they’ve changed the concept.

 

Hmmm that journey sounds familiar already? Throw back to LMBTL part 2 anyone? ...

[Nmj]

Watched the whole Divas 2002. I’m Alive live performance there was epic. Vocals and her energy was orgasmic

 

The whole edition of this Divas show was epic again.

 

Now we only need they give us the whole unedited show lol

 

In my opinion a reunion show of the first Divas Live is in order.

Honestly that was the best overall edition only in front of the 2002 Vegas.

 

The rest of the shows were a joke!

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

In my opinion a reunion show of the first Divas Live is in order.

Honestly that was the best overall edition only in front of the 2002 Vegas.

 

The rest of the shows were a joke!

 

Divas 1999 was pretty awesome too.

[Brandon]

In my opinion a reunion show of the first Divas Live is in order.

Honestly that was the best overall edition only in front of the 2002 Vegas.

 

The rest of the shows were a joke!

Without Aretha? Are you serious?

[CSCfan]

Without Aretha? Are you serious?

 

It can be a tribute to her. She wasn’t the only Queen that night..

[comingback]

Celine, Mariah and Whitney at one concert, that would have been heaven.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/pop/divacelinedion/images/Foto304.jpg

 

 

All three shared the stage at the Oscars.1999. Why didn't they make a photo together ?

Edited November 24, 2018 at 01:01 PM by comingback

[Dion2000]

Werent they planning a tour witu Celine,Whitney,Barbra and Andrea Bocelli during this time period but Celine was on the LTAL tour and Barbra and Whitney basically couldnt be a*sed ?

[comingback]

Werent they planning a tour witu Celine,Whitney,Barbra and Andrea Bocelli during this time period but Celine was on the LTAL tour and Barbra and Whitney basically couldnt be a*sed ?

 

Yes, the tour 3 Divas and a Tenor was planned 1999, but never happened.

[Javito]

Sorry I can't find a topic dedicated to the Divas 2002 show, but here's the official setlist of songs and artists that performed.

 

As you can see, we got more songs omitted in the CD release than those that were actually included

 

Show sequence

• Ellen DeGeneres – "Shoop" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Céline Dion and Anastacia – "You Shook Me All Night Long"
  
• Cher – "Believe"
  
• Cher – "Song for the Lonely"
  
• Cher and Cyndi Lauper – "If I Could Turn Back Time" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Dixie Chicks – "Long Time Gone" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Shakira – "Underneath Your Clothes"
  
• Mary J. Blige and Whitney Houston – "Rainy Dayz" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Mary J. Blige – "No More Drama" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Dixie Chicks – "Wide Open Spaces" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Dixie Chicks and Stevie Nicks – "Landslide"
  
• Anastacia – "One Day in Your Life"
  
• Mary J. Blige and Shakira – "Love Is A Battlefield" – Not released on CD or DVD
  
• Céline Dion – "I'm Alive"
  
• Céline Dion – "A New Day Has Come"
  
• Elvis Tribute Finale Medley:
  
  • Anastacia – "Jailhouse Rock"
    
  • Dixie Chicks – "That's All Right (Mama)" – Not released on CD or DVD
    
  • Shakira – "Always on My Mind"
    
  • Mary J. Blige – "Blue Suede Shoes" – Not released on CD or DVD
    
  • Stevie Nicks – "Wear My Ring Around Your Neck" – Not released on CD or DVD
    
  • Cher – "Heartbreak Hotel"
    
  • Céline Dion- "Can't Help Falling in Love"
    

  [*]The Divas – "You Shook Me All Night Long (reprise)" – Not released on CD or DVD

Edited November 24, 2018 at 01:43 PM by Javito

[Nmj]

Without Aretha? Are you serious?

 

Well we can’t bring her back from the dead, unless they want to use a hologram....

They could all pay tribute.

[SuperLove4Celine]

I say just bring back the concept of “Divas Live,” but not bring on every female singer just because they’re hot at the moment. A new one could include Celine and Barbra. Celine could perform her new single, and Barbra hers. Plus, they could FINALLY do a live performance of “Tell Him.”

[Javito]

I say just bring back the concept of "Divas Live," but not bring on every female singer just because they're hot at the moment. A new one could include Celine and Barbra. Celine could perform her new single, and Barbra hers. Plus, they could FINALLY do a live performance of "Tell Him."

 

The egos are too big for that to finally happen

[Dion2000]

 

 

The egos are too big for that to finally happen

 

 

Egos no.... but every time Celine wanted to duet live with Barbra she was “sick”

[Javito]

Egos no.... but every time Celine wanted to duet live with Barbra she was "sick"

 

Laura Pausini has said several times she has tried to record a duet with Céline for her different duets albums (she has already two out at least) and Céline said "no". Last time Laura said she'll propose her another song and that "third time's a charm", so she doesn't lose hope

 

But according to the few duets Céline has recorded with women (compared to men), she's kind of an unaccessible singer to record with her

 

You never wondered why Céline always offers duets with men and we barely have any official duets with women, despite she spends the time fangirling and saying she admires this and that singer, and yet she never records with them?? Kind of strange

[scielle]

Laura Pausini has said several times she has tried to record a duet with Céline for her different duets albums (she has already two out at least) and Céline said "no". Last time Laura said she'll propose her another song and that "third time's a charm", so she doesn't lose hope

 

But according to the few duets Céline has recorded with women (compared to men), she's kind of an unaccessible singer to record with her

 

You never wondered why Céline always offers duets with men and we barely have any official duets with women, despite she spends the time fangirling and saying she admires this and that singer, and yet she never records with them?? Kind of strange

 

Not strange.

A female-female duet is just a much more difficult song to write (see: Tell Him... even for such an iconic duo they couldn't come up with something decent!)

 

(And not familiar with Ms Pausini but why would she expect Celine would do a duet with her?)

[Taking Chances]

I actually don't really want Celine to do duets anymore. It's purely selfish because I want it all to be about her, and she's the one I want to listen to. Particularly on her album.

 

However, there's a lot of great artists out there that would give Celine great publicity if she collaborated with them, so it can benefit her in many ways.

[Peppercorn1991]

I hope she is busy in the studio belting out new gems as we speak!

 

When I say belting.... I mean it!! Show us what you still have Celine!!!

 

Kev x

[maki_Dion-er]

Is this Celine & Laura Pausini picture real or a manip?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqlg4cDH0qt/

 

I used to be really into Laura's music, I think it would be cool if they did a duet.

[Dion2000]

 

 

Laura Pausini has said several times she has tried to record a duet with Céline for her different duets albums (she has already two out at least) and Céline said "no". Last time Laura said she'll propose her another song and that "third time's a charm", so she doesn't lose hope

 

But according to the few duets Céline has recorded with women (compared to men), she's kind of an unaccessible singer to record with her

 

You never wondered why Céline always offers duets with men and we barely have any official duets with women, despite she spends the time fangirling and saying she admires this and that singer, and yet she never records with them?? Kind of strange

 

 

Did Celine actually say no or was it her management/Rene. And btw.... whos Laura Pausini..... mkay.

 

In my mind, its far harder to find songs and situations which fit two women as a duet. Almost all of the songs proposed to her are designed to be Male/Female and 99% of duets are as such. Imo if she is willing to sing with Barbra Streisand theres no way she is “scared” or has “to big of an ego” to sing with anyone else. Whitney had just done it with Mariah and as we know was out of it during 85% of the period when Celine was “at her level” enough to do a duet (aka post 1996).

 

Mariah has always been stuck up and the only reason she sang with Whitney for that song was because she knew whitney wasnt what she once was. Mariahs been asked many times about duetting with Celine, Celine has always said yes, Mariah says no... why do you think that is ?

 

 

Then there are others such as Lara Fabian who already has the rep of attempting to copy Celines formula to success, so thats kind of out the window.

 

 

Again, examine almost all female discographies and you will find that 90-95% of their duet catalog is male/female. Mariahs done Whitney and Nicki Minaj... Whitney only did live duets with women to the best of my knowledge apart from Mariah. Barbra.... sang with Celine.

 

Many females in general (not just legends) very rarely duet with other women on records, and they duet slightly more often live.

 

Im still just waiting for Mariah to accept the fact that no one cares if Celine blows her out of the water...: WE JUST WANT THE LAST 2 OF THE 90S POWER VOCALISTS TO DUET BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

[comingback]

Did Celine actually say no or was it her management/Rene. And btw.... whos Laura Pausini..... mkay.

 

In my mind, its far harder to find songs and situations which fit two women as a duet. Almost all of the songs proposed to her are designed to be Male/Female and 99% of duets are as such. Imo if she is willing to sing with Barbra Streisand theres no way she is "scared" or has "to big of an ego" to sing with anyone else. Whitney had just done it with Mariah and as we know was out of it during 85% of the period when Celine was "at her level" enough to do a duet (aka post 1996).

 

Mariah has always been stuck up and the only reason she sang with Whitney for that song was because she knew whitney wasnt what she once was. Mariahs been asked many times about duetting with Celine, Celine has always said yes, Mariah says no... why do you think that is ?

 

 

Then there are others such as Lara Fabian who already has the rep of attempting to copy Celines formula to success, so thats kind of out the window.

 

 

Again, examine almost all female discographies and you will find that 90-95% of their duet catalog is male/female. Mariahs done Whitney and Nicki Minaj... Whitney only did live duets with women to the best of my knowledge apart from Mariah. Barbra.... sang with Celine.

 

Many females in general (not just legends) very rarely duet with other women on records, and they duet slightly more often live.

 

Im still just waiting for Mariah to accept the fact that no one cares if Celine blows her out of the water...: WE JUST WANT THE LAST 2 OF THE 90S POWER VOCALISTS TO DUET BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

 

Laura Pausini is the Italian Celine Dion, who is famous worldwide, but not in the US and UK (like Lara Fabian).

And yes Mariah don't want a duet with Celine, because Celine would upstaged her. Mariah's voice is gone since the late 90s.

Edited November 25, 2018 at 12:15 PM by comingback

[Dion2000]

 

 

Laura Pausini is the Italian Celine Dion, who is not famous worldwide like Lara Fabian.

And yes Mariah don't want a duet with Celine, because Celine would upstaged her. Mariah's voice is gone since the late 90s.

 

 

I wouldnt call Lara Fabian worldwide either but okay...

 

 

As for Mariah her vocal career goes as such :

 

1990-1996 : Amazing, impreccable. the height of her peak

 

1997-1999: Okay, a deeper, more raspy, thicker version of her previous years.

 

2000-2004 : Listen to performances from the Charmbracelet or Glitter era, actually very good. Her performance of Make It Happen in Zurich is like 1995 reborn

 

2005-2009: A hot mess. Many live whistles though

 

2010-2012 : She didnt do much

 

2013-2014 : Her beacon christmas concerts were sensational as were her vocals for this short period

 

2015-now : shes been on a pretty even slate since 2015, around a 6/10. Shes still blowing quite a few people out, she is however a shadow of her former self

 

 

Anyway away from Mariah.

 

I just want her and Celine to duet...

 

 

[Javito]

Did Celine actually say no or was it her management/Rene. And btw.... whos Laura Pausini..... mkay.

 

Well, if you say from the start "who's Laura Pausini" you start the wrong way dear, it proves again it's no worth to discuss anything with you :sofunny:

 

Without pretending to ridicule you, but I'll show you how ridiculous you are with your ignorant posts...

 

For your information, if you don't know who Laura Pausini is, she has sold over 80 million albums in her career, so she has a couple of things to say in the industry and she has gained great respect worldwide singing not only in Italian and Spanish, but also has recorded in English and duets with Andrea Bocelli, Helene Segara, Kylie Minogue and legends like Luciano Pavarotti and Charles Aznavour too -oh same names as Céline!- (which you probably haven't heard of), so she has little to envy to Céline's collaborations because she has recorded with some of the same BIG names and even beyond that because she didn't limit herself to her native Italian language but also recorded with big artists in Spanish too (like Alejandro Sanz and Gloria Estefan or huge legends in Latin America like Juan Gabriel).

 

And to top it all, if that wasn't enough credit she also participated in the Spanish version of Michael Jackson's song "What More Can I Give" (Todo para ti) in 2001, next to other names like Julio Iglesias, Ricky Martin, Thalía, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey and... surprise! our Céline Dion too.

 

Who's Laura Pausini? Must be someone to be considered by Michael Jackson himself to collaborate with him :rolleyes:

 

She's a legend in Italy and a respected artist worldwide, and her popularity became so prominent specially in the latin/Spanish market during the last 15 years (a market that represents more than 50% of the music recorded and performed worldwide fyi). She's at the same level as Miguel Bosé, another hugely popular singer in Italian and Spanish worldwide (but you probably have no idea who this is again). And please note I'm not a big fan, but I know who is who in the industry despite not being a fan.

 

With posts like these and that arrogance of yours again you show no knowledge of many things sorry, from Celine's career to lots of names in the industry out there. Must be something about being just 18 I guess

 

Please educate yourself a bit before speaking next time https://en.wikipedia...i/Laura_Pausini

Edited November 25, 2018 at 12:26 PM by Javito

[comingback]

I wouldnt call Lara Fabian worldwide either but okay...

 

 

Laura P. and L. Fabian are famous worldwide and sing in several languages, but both were never big in the UK and US. Because the record companies market them as Celine copies.

Edited November 25, 2018 at 12:26 PM by comingback