"Courage" album - Official Topic

[celine19]

Not sure what to make of this -

 

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IMO, either Moccio fumes about someone and Céline asked for more respect and understanding (in the end, everyone´s existence is tainted in some way), or his Tweet has something to do with the Motto of the Album. I hope we will know soon

[mirage]

Lol it seems Stephan is the only one working on Céline songs hahaha

 

I think they flipped the whole concept when he came back to do 1 song

[Davey84]

Lol it seems Stephan is the only one working on Céline songs hahaha

 

I think they flipped the whole concept when he came back to do 1 song

 

He's producing one 58:54 minutes track and that will be the full new album

[browseceline]

 

Are you serious? David Foster?

 

of course i know david foster! haha i read about a guy named Moccio, that is the guy i do not know!

 

 

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Edited October 24, 2018 at 07:24 AM by browseceline

[ryba]

Not sure what to make of this -

 

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maybe he didn’t get along with David Foster

[manu23]

Oldies but goldies...

 

Give me a remake of an epic 90s dance track in 2018 rather than an insipid cover of a Queen song with a lame production that added absolutely nothing to the original version

 

Or before a Recovering -a song P!nk herself seems she would fall asleep recording it and wanted to get rid of asap-,

 

Or before a How Does A Moment Last Forever...

 

Or even before Ashes. Samey samey samey always with Céline, she never surprises always recording the same kind of songs.

 

And despite all this Celine's career is so ahead that Anastasia can't even see her from so far behind.

Edited October 24, 2018 at 08:15 AM by manu23

[Javito]

And despite all this Celine's career is so ahead that Anastasia can't even see her from so far behind.

 

Yes, Céline's career was left behind long ago (aka prior 2003 days ehem)

 

Do you seriously think all artists out there want to have Céline's career and do what she does??? How naive. Because I'm sure you're referring to your so loved and adored Vegas "legendary" chapter of her career . And what you see as a "glorious" chapter of her career, others only see an artist that was HUGE everywhere and was getting even bigger by 2003 and for no consistent reason she cloistered herself in a place for no less than 15 years just doing the same thing over and over again, year after year, sacrifying the best days of her career (just when she came back in 2002 to the industry) in order to be at the mercy of Caesars Palace and make money for them. Well let me tell you that in terms of artistry and quality music, there are many singers out there who would have never done this, not for so many years for sure. Many would have never sacrified the freedom and artistry in order to be constantly tied to a schedule of performances in one same place that don't allow them to be creative and keep growing as artists.

 

Oh creativity, that's a word that doesn't get along very well with Céline Vegas has sucked out the life of Céline's voice too many times, and we have proof and evidence of that. Just when we see her on tour around the world. Vegas has stagnated her career and blocked countless other projects that many other singers would have never allowed that to happen. And they have families, children, and a life to live too.

 

The Vegas chapters you love so much doesn't gave Céline any of the legendary status she enjoys today. She built that way before that, in the 90s, and before 2003 she was already a legend. She has done way more for that status in 10 years between 1990 and 2000 than in 15 years of Vegas. Where for a big part of the planet they don't even know she's still active or singing, many thing she's retired since ages ago, since she's in Vegas. That pretty much sums up your "legend" status built with Vegas If you fail to see this, I'm not sure if you have seen how many work and things she'd done only in those 10 years. It took time for the world to see it. But Vegas only helped to consolidate that status she earned by right before her first 2000 break.

 

Maybe Anastacia doesn't need a colosseum residency nor needs to do 1,000 shows for 15 years to be an artist. She is exactly where she wants in music and has a balance and a consistency that Céline hasn't offered since ages ago. Not even by a long shot

Edited October 24, 2018 at 09:53 AM by Javito

[alexceline]

 

 

Yes, Céline's career was left behind long ago (aka prior 2003 days ehem)

 

Do you seriously think all artists out there want to have Céline's career and do what she does??? How naive.

 

Maybe Anastacia doesn't need a colosseum residency nor needs to do 1,000 shows for 15 years to be an artist. She is exactly where she wants in music and has a balance and a consistency that Céline hasn't offered since ages ago. Not even by a long shot

 

And Celine is exactly where she wants to be but you don't seem to get it. Vegas offered her the balance SHE needed in her life, and maybe it doesn't align with your hopes and desires but it is what it is. Now she leaves Vegas because SHE chose to. And if she decides to sit and do nothing for the next 5 years, or she does constant touring with no album released for the next 25 years ( I hope not 😂) it would again be her choice.

[Javito]

And Celine is exactly where she wants to be but you don't seem to get it. Vegas offered her the balance SHE needed in her life, and maybe it doesn't align with your hopes and desires but it is what it is. Now she leaves Vegas because SHE chose to. And if she decides to sit and do nothing for the next 5 years, or she does constant touring with no album released for the next 25 years ( I hope not ) it would again be her choice.

 

You seem not to know the background of the Vegas first steps very well. Vegas and the initial contract was MORE a choice of René than Céline's. Céline didn't want to do it and wanted to cancel, when she realised how limiting, demanding and constraining that crazy contract was. But she couldn't cancel.

[manu23]

Yes, Céline's career was left behind long ago (aka prior 2003 days ehem)

 

Do you seriously think all artists out there want to have Céline's career and do what she does??? How naive.

 

Maybe Anastacia doesn't need a colosseum residency nor needs to do 1,000 shows for 15 years to be an artist. She is exactly where she wants in music and has a balance and a consistency that Céline hasn't offered since ages ago. Not even by a long shot

 

Your opinion on Celine's career is so biased that it is pointless arguing about this specific matter with you. Numbers and facts always prove you wrong so I don't need to defend how Celine drives her career.

[alexceline]

 

 

You seem not to know the background of the Vegas first steps very well. Vegas and the initial contract was MORE a choice of René than Céline's. Céline didn't want to do it and wanted to cancel, when she realised how limiting, demanding and constraining that crazy contract was. But she couldn't cancel.

 

I didn't become a fan last night. Of course I know. And then again, she extended her contract, ended it and went back to Vegas 4 years later and extended the contract again and has said multiple times how Vegas has offered her stability and helped her to spend more time with her children. No one forced her to do anything other than the first time. She could have very well ended it all in 2005 or whatever, leave Vegas and never look back.

Anyway this conversation is going nowhere so if you wanna keep complaining for Vegas until Celine's retirement, well 💁

Edited October 24, 2018 at 10:02 AM by alexceline

[Javito]

Your opinion on Celine's career is so biased that it is pointless arguing about this specific matter with you. Numbers and facts always prove you wrong so I don't need to defend how Celine drives her career.

 

Oh and of course I suppose your opinion is the "unbiased" one here

 

If your only argument is to provide figures and numbers (that are the least conclusive arguments to discuss an opinion like this) maybe it's that you don't know how to defend your opinion anymore.

 

But talking about numbers, I'll give you some: Céline has only released ONE English album in 10 years -despite being active- and her last Grammy award is from 1999 and her last nomination dates as far back as 2001

Edited October 24, 2018 at 10:09 AM by Javito

[Javito]

I didn't become a fan last night. Of course I know. And then again, she extended her contract, ended it and went back to Vegas 4 years later and extended the contract again and has said multiple times how Vegas has offered her stability and helped her to spend more time with her children. No one forced her to do anything other than the first time. She could have very well ended it all in 2005 or whatever, leave Vegas and never look back.

Anyway this conversation is going nowhere so if you wanna keep complaining for Vegas until Celine's retirement, well ��

 

Well, so forcing her just once for the first time, to me that's enough not to do something!

 

I wasn't complaining about Vegas now, I'm just putting into perspective things when someone mocked another smaller artist (Anastacia) and ridiculed her career hinting that everyone would like to have or have done what Céline does, as if that was the best Please... don't think everyone wants to do what you do! And Anastacia has managed her career very well and knows way much more of what to do and marketing her music than Céline will ever know.

Edited October 24, 2018 at 10:08 AM by Javito

[isurrender]

 

 

He's producing one 58:54 minutes track and that will be the full new album

 

A bit like Javito is (almost) the only active member on this forum .🤣🤣🤣

I think his posts are 80% of the last page of this topic as my actual layout shows it.

 

And the parallel is ironical.

 

It seems there is no one left on both sides😂 and you know why? Because it's boooooooring AF.

Following Céline's career is like following 2 trainees trying to make a tour poster (unsuccessfully) and being among Céline's fan is like being stuck in a room with a guy whining ove the same subject over and over again.

 

 

Gosh. I think I'm done 😭😭🙄

[gafsa]

I'm glad Celine did what she did and not do what Anastacia did. I love that she did different among other artists and then every major artists follow her step like the talented Cher which I do really love, even the queen of billboard Ms. Mariah follow her step too. Even though she leaves me wanting more from her, I think she did the right things. At some point I may not like the fact she do Vegas too long. But I believe she did no wrong with her decision. Her career still go on and on. And I believe she ready to do another great thing for her career, for us, this following years, maybe not like what we are expected because we as fans always expecting she do what others do. Edited October 24, 2018 at 11:34 AM by gafsa

[mirage]

Hahaha it could be magical

Can't wait till she is back in Vegas, at least we have some vids and pictures until they announce the album and single.

 

 

 

 

He's producing one 58:54 minutes track and that will be the full new album

[BartFCS]

I've been listening to all of her upbeat songs lately trying to find new ways to hear them, lmao.

So this should definitely help you with that and keep you busy for another 5 minutes.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMezSBNuaeQ

[manu23]

@Javito Yes I'm usually biased towards reality and normal evolution of music careers

 

All those funny emojis don't change the fact that you are wrong most of the time. But we have learned to love you as you are, what would it be of this forum without your daily post about how bad Vegas is, or how little creativity Celine has, or how many covers she does (shocked you praised Anastasia for actually doing covers)... Keep it up!

[Javito]

Hahaha *FACTS* just because they come from you and being *wrong*, just because you say it Of course! A typical response from someone who doesn't know how to follow a discussion anymore because he's ran out of arguments

 

Céline has been literally forgotten and ignored in many countries since she started her Vegas adventure, most of people that are non-fans think she has retired since ages ago or think she no longer sings, and you still praise Vegas as if it has been the best thing she has ever done in her career .

 

I'm surprised that's how "unbiased" you are, being also a Spanish fan. You should know very well that's what happened in countries like ours and how events have been since 2003, and following with Portugal, Italy, Greece and countless other countries where teens don't even know who Céline Dion is. You can try to embroider this or even deny it, but everyone whenever in Spain or England or Finland knows this is true, young generations barely know who this singer is. And I don't say this for pure drama or just for the sake of it, I say this because I have witnessed it, I've studied in a language school in England 4 years ago where we welcomed students every week from every corner of the world and teens from Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, USA or China had little to no idea of who Céline Dion is

 

That's how far your "facts" and my "wrong" goes The raw but true reality of her career today. It's a hard pill to swallow but you can't hide that reality. Vegas has literally isolated Céline from the world for 15 years. You can try and embellish your own rainbow land with all the love she has in Vegas and job positions she has created and such, but the truth in her international career is something different outside the Vegas wonderland and her stability dream.

 

Anastacia writes her own music and she just released a new album of original songs in 2017, as she always does. Ironically she did an album of covers once but that was the point of the album, to cover other singer's songs. And that's it.

 

Btw, you're free to use emojis too. I love them

Edited October 24, 2018 at 01:19 PM by Javito

[mirage]

It's all coming back to me now...

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

You seem not to know the background of the Vegas first steps very well. Vegas and the initial contract was MORE a choice of René than Céline's. Céline didn't want to do it and wanted to cancel, when she realised how limiting, demanding and constraining that crazy contract was. But she couldn't cancel.

 

Actually, Celine was very adamant about having such a show. Even knowing she couldn’t tour with it. It wasn’t until almost the very last minute that she wanted to pull out of the contract. Doing a cirque type show was inspired by her going to see “O” in Vegas. She wanted the Vegas life and got a little nervous right before it started. But it was much too late to pull out of the commitment. If she didn’t want to be there, she wouldn’t have extended past the initial 3 year contract. And she wouldn’t have come back with an entirely new show in 2011. If she felt constricted, she wouldn’t have signed another contract.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Hahaha *FACTS* just because they come from you and being *wrong*, just because you say it Of course! A typical response from someone who doesn't know how to follow a discussion anymore because he's ran out of arguments

 

Céline has been literally forgotten and ignored in many countries since she started her Vegas adventure, most of people that are non-fans think she has retired since ages ago or think she no longer sings, and you still praise Vegas as if it has been the best thing she has ever done in her career .

 

I'm surprised that's how "unbiased" you are, being also a Spanish fan. You should know very well that's what happened in countries like ours and how events have been since 2003, and following with Portugal, Italy, Greece and countless other countries where teens don't even know who Céline Dion is. You can try to embroider this or even deny it, but everyone whenever in Spain or England or Finland knows this is true, young generations barely know who this singer is. And I don't say this for pure drama or just for the sake of it, I say this because I have witnessed it, I've studied in a language school in England 4 years ago where we welcomed students every week from every corner of the world and teens from Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, USA or China had little to no idea of who Céline Dion is

 

That's how far your "facts" and my "wrong" goes The raw but true reality of her career today. It's a hard pill to swallow but you can't hide that reality. Vegas has literally isolated Céline from the world for 15 years. You can try and embellish your own rainbow land with all the love she has in Vegas and job positions she has created and such, but the truth in her international career is something different outside the Vegas wonderland and her stability dream.

 

Anastacia writes her own music and she just released a new album of original songs in 2017, as she always does. Ironically she did an album of covers once but that was the point of the album, to cover other singer's songs. And that's it.

 

Btw, you're free to use emojis too. I love them

 

Teenagers not knowing who Céline is has nothing to do with her being in Vegas. It has everything to do with the fact that they’re teenagers and Celine Dion is 50 and not played much on the radio anymore. Even with new releases. I grew up with Celine. She was everywhere from the time I was 4 years old, up until she took her break in 2000. That’s why I know her. Because she was in my prime while I was growing up. She was a popular artist for my time. Just as Barbra was at that point a legend for my generation, Celine is a legend for this generation. This is how it goes and always has in the music business since forever.

[manu23]

I guess the level of recognition by Spanish teenagers is a new method to measure how successful a career is..

 

Last Christmas I was driving my sister and two of her friends when All I Want For Christmas started playing on the radio. They started wondering who the singer was, I tried to explain but none of them had a clue who Mariah Carey was. They are 25.

[ordinary fan]

Teenagers not knowing who Céline is has nothing to do with her being in Vegas. It has everything to do with the fact that they're teenagers and Celine Dion is 50 and not played much on the radio anymore. Even with new releases. I grew up with Celine. She was everywhere from the time I was 4 years old, up until she took her break in 2000. That's why I know her. Because she was in my prime while I was growing up. She was a popular artist for my time. Just as Barbra was at that point a legend for my generation, Celine is a legend for this generation. This is how it goes and always has in the music business since forever.

very well said. And for example on the show back in 2016 in Antwerpen which I´ve attended, I wasn´t the only teenager there, there were a bunch of us, also many people in their early 20´s and little kids too. And yes it´s right that younger generations maybe don´t know celine anymore, but it´s just normal in that case, because of the age - difference, and that she isn´t played on the radio that often nowadays. But I think it´s not right to say that celine´s fanbase are only adults. A very big part of it yes, but not all and the group of young fans keeps growing day by day, if you look at her instgramm account... which is used mainly by younger generations I would say

[ordinary fan]

Hahaha *FACTS* just because they come from you and being *wrong*, just because you say it Of course! A typical response from someone who doesn't know how to follow a discussion anymore because he's ran out of arguments

 

Céline has been literally forgotten and ignored in many countries since she started her Vegas adventure, most of people that are non-fans think she has retired since ages ago or think she no longer sings, and you still praise Vegas as if it has been the best thing she has ever done in her career .

 

I'm surprised that's how "unbiased" you are, being also a Spanish fan. You should know very well that's what happened in countries like ours and how events have been since 2003, and following with Portugal, Italy, Greece and countless other countries where teens don't even know who Céline Dion is. You can try to embroider this or even deny it, but everyone whenever in Spain or England or Finland knows this is true, young generations barely know who this singer is. And I don't say this for pure drama or just for the sake of it, I say this because I have witnessed it, I've studied in a language school in England 4 years ago where we welcomed students every week from every corner of the world and teens from Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, USA or China had little to no idea of who Céline Dion is

 

That's how far your "facts" and my "wrong" goes The raw but true reality of her career today. It's a hard pill to swallow but you can't hide that reality. Vegas has literally isolated Céline from the world for 15 years. You can try and embellish your own rainbow land with all the love she has in Vegas and job positions she has created and such, but the truth in her international career is something different outside the Vegas wonderland and her stability dream.

 

Anastacia writes her own music and she just released a new album of original songs in 2017, as she always does. Ironically she did an album of covers once but that was the point of the album, to cover other singer's songs. And that's it.

 

Btw, you're free to use emojis too. I love them

I can understand your frustration, I would also like hearing celine every hour on the radio, all the newer songs like TC, LMBTL, Ashes and so on and seeing her everywhere, but there´s no need for being frustrated, because first of all you can´t change reality and secondly there are enough new young fans out there who will support her ´til the end and also the status which she has nowadays, and that it´s still no problem for her, to fill a stadium on any place on the world, shows, that her carreer still goes incredible well. And I´m sure that there are also still many children who grow up while listening to celine, maybe not through the radio anymore, but because of their parents, when they are listening to her music at home.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

very well said. And for example on the show back in 2016 in Antwerpen which I´ve attended, I wasn´t the only teenager there, there were a bunch of us, also many people in their early 20´s and little kids too. And yes it´s right that younger generations maybe don´t know celine anymore, but it´s just normal in that case, because of the age - difference, and that she isn´t played on the radio that often nowadays. But I think it´s not right to say that celine´s fanbase are only adults. A very big part of it yes, but not all and the group of young fans keeps growing day by day, if you look at her instgramm account... which is used mainly by younger generations I would say

 

I’m absolutely not discounting that she has younger fans. That is absolutely true. Im just saying that generally, if you’re younger than 25 there is a good chance that you may not know who she is, or you may know her name but not be able to name a song. There’s a generation gap and it was bound to happen.

[ordinary fan]

mmmh yes you could be right at this point Edited October 24, 2018 at 03:29 PM by ordinary fan

[Javito]

Actually, Celine was very adamant about having such a show. Even knowing she couldn't tour with it. It wasn't until almost the very last minute that she wanted to pull out of the contract. Doing a cirque type show was inspired by her going to see "O" in Vegas. She wanted the Vegas life and got a little nervous right before it started. But it was much too late to pull out of the commitment. If she didn't want to be there, she wouldn't have extended past the initial 3 year contract. And she wouldn't have come back with an entirely new show in 2011. If she felt constricted, she wouldn't have signed another contract.

 

She only came back and signed again with the major difference of having one third of the shows she was doing during A New Day. And who knows for how much more money they offered her, that's not my business. But we all know she would have never got back doing 200+ shows a year like she was doing in the first show. That was brutal, and her voice took a toll for this.

 

Teenagers not knowing who Céline is has nothing to do with her being in Vegas. It has everything to do with the fact that they're teenagers and Celine Dion is 50 and not played much on the radio anymore. Even with new releases. I grew up with Celine. She was everywhere from the time I was 4 years old, up until she took her break in 2000. That's why I know her. Because she was in my prime while I was growing up. She was a popular artist for my time. Just as Barbra was at that point a legend for my generation, Celine is a legend for this generation. This is how it goes and always has in the music business since forever.

 

All teenagers know who Madonna is. Everyone knows who Madonna is.

 

Most teenagers do positively know who Cher is. And she's in her 70s now. And is more played in radios than Céline in my country.

 

Most teenagers even know who Whitney Houston is, despite barely recording albums nor touring in this century.

 

How do you explain this? Generation gap? Really???

 

Do you affirm that without 15 years of Vegas she would enjoy the same oblivion and ostracism in most countries as she has today???

 

Do you know for a fact that if Céline had continued her career in 2003 just like she was doing in 2002, being unstoppable, when she and her name were absolutely everywhere in the planet, she wouldn't be as popular as she was back then?

[CSCfan]

IMO, either Moccio fumes about someone and Céline asked for more respect and understanding (in the end, everyone´s existence is tainted in some way), or his Tweet has something to do with the Motto of the Album. I hope we will know soon

 

I think it has to do with the lyrics of the song he's working on.... must be deep....

 

 

You seem not to know the background of the Vegas first steps very well. Vegas and the initial contract was MORE a choice of René than Céline's. Céline didn't want to do it and wanted to cancel, when she realised how limiting, demanding and constraining that crazy contract was. But she couldn't cancel.

 

Well here's the pot calling the kettle black....

You do not seem to know the background AND the reasoning behind Vegas very well. It was Céline who got very excited and wanted to do a show in Vegas after seeing "O". So it was HER setting it all in motion.

 

The reason Céline wanted to cancel it at the last minute was because of MOTHERHOOD and because she wanted more time to raise her only son (and because of nerves). You give reasons YOU think Vegas is limiting for her. You keep putting "words in her mouth", but fact is fact: if Céline REALLY hated it: she wouldn't have extended, she wouldn't have done a 2nd residency, she would have quit. She had plenty of chances to do that, but she didn't.

 

 

where teens don't even know who Céline Dion is.

 

 

To quote P!nk... "SO WHAT?"

 

Does that bother her? No. Has that bothered René? No. Has that bothered her labels in those countries? No. Does that bother the teens? No.

It only bothers you.

 

Céline isn't an 18-year old singer who is just getting started and needs a fanbase. She's a 50-year old mother of 3 who has sold close to 250 million albums and has achieved 'Legend' status. She can do whatever she wants or needs.

 

And if you still can't grasp that after all these years, it should definately be 'The End' and not 'Di-on'.

Edited October 24, 2018 at 04:04 PM by CSCfan

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

She only came back and signed again with the major difference of having one third of the shows she was doing during A New Day. And who knows for how much more money they offered her, that's not my business. But we all know she would have never got back doing 200+ shows a year like she was doing in the first show. That was brutal, and her voice took a toll for this.

 

 

 

All teenagers know who Madonna is. Everyone knows who Madonna is.

 

Most teenagers do positively know who Cher is. And she's in her 70s now. And is more played in radios than Céline in my country.

 

Most teenagers even know who Whitney Houston is, despite barely recording albums nor touring in this century.

 

How do you explain this? Generation gap? Really???

 

Do you affirm that without 15 years of Vegas she would enjoy the same oblivion and ostracism in most countries as she has today???

 

Do you know for a fact that if Céline had continued her career in 2003 just like she was doing in 2002, being unstoppable, when she and her name were absolutely everywhere in the planet, she wouldn't be as popular as she was back then?

 

I don’t think she would. Just look at her dip in sales between 2002 and 2003. ANDHC has sold 12 million copies worldwide, and OH has sold 5 million. People were there for the comeback hype and then it was over. IDAN didn’t even crack the top 40 here in the US; a country where the music market is heavily gauged.

 

Cher just had a mini resurgence with “Mamma Mia” which put her name out there again.

 

Madonna is always trying to keep up with teeny boppers, so I’m not sure if it’s a positive thing that teenagers know who she is. They may know who she is...but do they really care? I’m 32, and I haven’t cared about Madonna in almost a decade.

 

Whitney Houston had one of the most publicized drug problems and deaths than any other celebrity of my generation. When she’s trending on Twitter and all over every magazine cover because she died, of course people are going to take notice.

 

Celine had a mini fashion renaissance which gained her some noteriety with younger people.

 

 

But I bet you any amount of money, if you ask teenagers between the ages of 13 and 16 if they own any of these ladies’ music (without taking it from their parents collections); I guarantee you that 9 out of 10 of them would say no. Or even be able to name a song other than MHWGO (and most likely calling it “the Titanic song).

 

That would be knowing OF Celine Dion. Not actually knowing Celine Dion.

Edited October 24, 2018 at 04:21 PM by CelinesDIVO5