"Courage" album - Official Topic

[SuperLove4Celine]

The thing that pisses me off about her own comments about “D’elles” is how she has never done anything to change things about it. “D’elles” COULD have a resurrection in some form if she would perform more songs from it! Get her team to release anniversary editions of the albums. Get everything from it unblocked on YouTube. Etc., etc. The fact is Celine is great at lip service when it comes to how she supposedly feels about songs and albums of hers. However, it’s clear it’s just that - lip service. If it wasn’t, if she was truly passionate about these songs/albums, she would do more with them now than lazily go with the status quo. Period. Edited September 19, 2018 at 04:00 AM by SuperLove4Celine

[Celine Fan 77]

The thing that pisses me off about her own comments about "D'elles" is how she has never done anything to change things about it. "D'elles" COULD have a resurrection in some form if she would perform more songs from it! Get her team to release anniversary editions of the albums. Get everything from it unblocked on YouTube. Etc., etc. The fact is Celine is great at lip service when it comes to how she supposedly feels about songs and albums of hers. However, it's clear it's just that - lip service. If it wasn't, if she was truly passionate about these songs/albums, she would do more with them now than lazily go with the status quo. Period.

 

Highly agree. I think all she did to change things up a bit was to include Immensité in her 2013 & 2016 tours...

[comingback]

I can smell my worst nightmare is coming : Loved me back to life part 2 !!

 

 

11 Kiss

12 Purple rain

13 You're the voice

 

Deluxe

 

14 Can't help falling in love

15 Love of my life

 

Please no covers

 

But I see it coming too.

[Davey84]

I can smell my worst nightmare is coming : Loved me back to life part 2 !!

 

1 New song from 2016

2 New song from 2016

3 New song from 2017

4 New song from 2017

5 New song from 2018

6 New song from 2018

7 Hymn

8 Recovering

9 How does a moment last forever

10 Ashes

11 Kiss

12 Purple rain

13 You're the voice

 

Deluxe

 

14 Can't help falling in love

15 Love of my life

 

I wouldn't mind Love Of My Life as it seems we'll never get to see the Live 2017 on DVD But i can live without the other coversAND the songs she's released in the last 4 years, except Ashes.

[Dancing_Queen]

Probably said this before, but I don't mind covers at all.

If she feels the song, then she can bring something to it (Love of My Life, Avec le Temps, Over the Rainbow).

In the 60'ies & 70'ies, many singers would cover the same song (often not long after release of the original) and add their own flavour/interpretation...I just love that and I wish it'd still be a thing today.

[jpatdeleon09]

Are you guys will be ok if this new album is going to be release on 2020 with no updates? Edited September 19, 2018 at 07:36 AM by jpatdeleon09

[mirage]

This!

And that's where I fail to understand her.

 

If you are soo creative and soo passionate about your job, you will do anything in my opinion.

 

Ah what the heck it's the ten year anniversary of my album D'elles, I'm gonna do 5 shows with just those songs to celebrate!

I mean she is Céline Dion she can do whatever she wants to do.

 

And YES, she is doing whatever she wants now. But her 'I don't have to prove myself' also makes her a bit 'lazy'

 

If I had the voice, the money and the connections I would use it all to expand my creativity.

 

And who knows, maybe she really is fine with how things are now. I really don't blame her, good for her.

But be honest about it, and don't tell "I want to do"

 

 

 

The thing that pisses me off about her own comments about “D’elles” is how she has never done anything to change things about it. “D’elles” COULD have a resurrection in some form if she would perform more songs from it! Get her team to release anniversary editions of the albums. Get everything from it unblocked on YouTube. Etc., etc. The fact is Celine is great at lip service when it comes to how she supposedly feels about songs and albums of hers. However, it’s clear it’s just that - lip service. If it wasn’t, if she was truly passionate about these songs/albums, she would do more with them now than lazily go with the status quo. Period.

[Dion2000]

I know people want brand new stuff, but i wouldnt mind Ashes on the new album, simply because of its success and that its a great song. No HDAMLF,Recovering( i could cope with recovering) or TSMGO (a live version would be nice tho)

[Davey84]

This!

And that's where I fail to understand her.

 

If you are soo creative and soo passionate about your job, you will do anything in my opinion.

 

Ah what the heck it's the ten year anniversary of my album D'elles, I'm gonna do 5 shows with just those songs to celebrate!

I mean she is Céline Dion she can do whatever she wants to do.

 

And YES, she is doing whatever she wants now. But her 'I don't have to prove myself' also makes her a bit 'lazy'

 

If I had the voice, the money and the connections I would use it all to expand my creativity.

 

And who knows, maybe she really is fine with how things are now. I really don't blame her, good for her.

But be honest about it, and don't tell "I want to do"

 

Yeah totally agree... I wish Céline would go back to that: "I'm only in competition with myself" attitude!!

[ryba]

She was always holding back and didn’t want to do too much but Rene used to push her. So did Aldo. But now that she is her own manager, there is nobody there to push her. Seems like her co managers are only two yes-sayers and that’s the problem. There is no input. Edited September 19, 2018 at 08:34 AM by ryba

[comingback]

Yeah totally agree... I wish Céline would go back to that: "I'm only in competition with myself" attitude!!

 

Sadly, that was a long time ago. Her priority changed.

[Javito]

What bothers me most is that Céline still has her voice (for how long - she's not getting any younger) and she's primarily "wasting" it singing covers in a desert (which she could be doing at the end of her career when she's really passé).

 

Dreaming of the kind of concept albums we could have had by now while her voice is still great:

Jazz/Blues Album

Dance Album

English version of a French album

Country Album - I'm sure she'd do country really well!!

Etc...

 

I do think concept album is the way to go. I am so fed up with all these "buffé albums" with a bunch of incoherent songs smashed togheter calling it an album. Go with one or a couple of sounds - not 12-16 different sounds and styles.

 

Excuse me??? That's exactly and precisely what I've been saying for about 15 years, since March 2003 basically, and I anticipated all of this: that she was wasting her voice in Vegas. And her passion. And her natural talent. That she would only become a robot there. For repeating, abusing and taking to the extreme her routine. And for that, I've been seriously mocked, attacked, silenced and all in between during this 15 years for saying what everyone knew it was -but very few had the guts to admit and be vocal about-, and now, here we have the results of 15 years of career isolation and insane repetition of the same program: a career that stopped growing in 2003, and that hasn't brought anything new or challenging but the questionable achievement of 1200 shows performed in one same place. Period.

 

Becoming a "legend" in Vegas had its price. Now we see it. She may have wrote history in Vegas and be a pioneer there. But it's a very weak achievement in terms of artistry and music legacy. Nobody will remember her for doing 1200 insane same shows in Las Vegas, but they will remember for her albums and the songs she has released. Music reviews won't care how many shows she will have perfomed in her life, but will care if she attempts to step out of her comfort zone and record a ground-breaking album in another language, or in another music style she may surprise everyone, while she has the pipes and strength and voice. They will absolutely don't care to write if she has performed MHWGO or BYLM 150 more times or less.

 

That's what this insane adventure is about, and the toll it's taking. And the 5 years in between each albums now.

 

It's so sad, how she has wasted her voice and time during all these 15 years, while she had her vocal chords intact and fresh.

 

How many countless songs she has ignored and never performed live for always doing one same show setlist hundreds and hundreds of times... which nobody remembers now because not even the DVD we have released (A New Day) does justice to what that original show was... If only we had an accurate DVD of what the show was over those 5 insane years, but we don't. Embarrassing.

 

And the missed projects...

 

The "I'd love to record this and that album" but that never came...

 

The cancelled recordings...

 

Etc.

 

And in between, her voice changed and changed, and it has changed dramatically in the last 5 years.

 

Now reality is that no matter what she wanted to record in 2003, 2005, 2010... It's not going to sound as good as it could have sounded in 2003 anymore. Not only the albums we won't have in those years, but also the dozens of songs of her discography that she never wanted to perform, when they were just released.

 

And we don't need to go as far back as 2003 or 2007 to miss those wasted chances, she keeps doing it in her most recent album, Encore un soir: her least promoted album to date:

 

No TV special

No videoclips

Only 2 playback performances of the songs on TV

5 songs were performed on tour, but we don't even have a quality video of them to cherish and go back to watch.

 

But in the meantime, we keep getting every.single.damn.year the same performances of TPOL, MHWGO and BYLM, and hundreds of times.

 

Did Celine ever hear about quality over quantity?

 

That's how things are.

 

Sad! :down:

Edited September 19, 2018 at 09:02 AM by Javito

[Tom_London_Fan]

I hate to jump on the bandwagon but I really have to agree with a lot that’s been said here. I think the most frustrating part is knowing that she has so much more to offer than Vegas. If only she had that artistic spark in her that she had before she become a dollar-printing machine for Caesars.

 

I really want to see Celine the artist again, and not Celine the Vegas legend. I can tell you as a fan, I’m much more proud sharing her music and fashion than I am with anything to do with Vegas.

 

Like someone mentioned prior, she could probably do another 10 years of Vegas when she’s older...whilst she still has this iconic voice, she should be making unforgettable music, not belting out hits from 20-30 years ago.

 

Part of me really sees a change coming though. I can see next year being a defining year for the Celine. Hopefully a certain nomination for ‘Ashes’, a new album with extraordinary visuals and fashion plus a lot of TV promotion (hopefully showing her charm and humour to the world) and a tour the support the album which breaks more touring/grossing records!

 

Celine is worth so much more as an artist when she’s not in the Vegas desert, hopefully Sony are going to give her the push she needs. After all, she is the greatest singer in the world.

[Javito]

I'm afraid Sony lost faith in her many years ago and doesn't care anymore, that's why they don't push her in any sense because they know it's a wasted effort... After all, Celine made it clear with her "I don't have nothing to prove anymore", she repeated that like a mantra so many times since 2002 that I think Sony got the message and eventually gave up

 

The artistic Céline... Coincidentally, to me one of the best examples of her artistic side and everything which is opposite to the Vegas cash machine singer that is now, it became in 2003 when she accepted to perform in the tribute to Eddy Marnay. That one night she shined like the greatest star. Her vibrato still intact then, not damaged by the abuse of Vegas and the overperforming years

 

 

[Dion2000]

Her vibrato was still entact

 

 

That makes no sense. Her vibrato has always been great and she still has amazing control over it

 

 

I cant believe people are getting to the stage where theyre saying that Celine making a decision that she agrees with, consents to and has a positive impact on her family life abuse... wow talk about watering down a word that should never be watered down

Edited September 19, 2018 at 11:11 AM by Dion2000

[Javito]

Her vibrato was still entact

 

 

That makes no sense. Her vibrato has always been great and she still has amazing control over it

 

 

I cant believe people are getting to the stage where theyre saying that Celine making a decision that she agrees with, consents to and has a positive impact on her family life abuse... wow talk about watering down a word that should never be watered down

 

That makes no sense to you. Tell me a performance in 2018 where she has the same vibrato and as pristine and clear as displayed in any of the Marnay performances of 2003. In 2018 she still has it of course, but

 

1) she has undeniably shortened it,

2) it's deeper in tone and nasality than 15 years ago.

3) the use of it is way more scarce than years ago, because she has simply reduced the use of it.

 

Do we have to talk about the number of songs where she has reduced/shortened the long notes, or is that also a fantasy to you? To Love You More, All By Myself, I'm Alive, where she shortens the long notes, and so on?

 

She still belts the high notes (when not using playback), but she certainly doesn't hold them as long as she used to. But that's another story.

Edited September 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM by Javito

[Xpresso]

Wow, such a positive forum!!

Why is it so difficult to understand that she might not have the same drive she once had?

She's into her family at this point in her life, probably even more so after loosing René.

The drive will probably come back once the twins are a little older. I know many 50 year olds who are bored to death after doing the same job for 25 years. I'm sure that can also happen to artists and to all of us. She will come around when she's ready.

[Dion2000]

 

 

That makes no sense to you. Tell me a performance in 2018 where she has the same vibrato and as pristine and clear as displayed in any of the Marnay performances of 2003. In 2018 she still has it of course, but

 

1) she has undeniably shortened it,

2) it's deeper in tone and nasality than 15 years ago.

3) the use of it is way more scarce than years ago, because she has simply reduced the use of it.

 

Do we have to talk about the number of songs where she has reduced/shortened the long notes, or is that also a fantasy to you? To Love You More, All By Myself, I'm Alive, where she shortens the long notes, and so on?

 

She still belts the high notes (when not using playback), but she certainly doesn't hold them as long as she used to. But that's another story.

 

1) shortened what ?? TLYM is playback but she was sustaining the notes in Ordinaire with ease in 2016,2017.

 

2) her tone now is obviously deeper, even if she performed 4 shows between 2003 and 2018, age means a deeper tone and thats just a fact.

 

3. And actually i think youll find she just vibratos her way through a note rather than just sustain it (see Youre the voice for that)

 

What long note in Im Aive ?

[Javito]

1) shortened what ?? TLYM is playback but she was sustaining the notes in Ordinaire with ease in 2016,2017.

 

2) her tone now is obviously deeper, even if she performed 4 shows between 2003 and 2018, age means a deeper tone and thats just a fact.

 

3. And actually i think youll find she just vibratos her way through a note rather than just sustain it (see Youre the voice for that)

 

What long note in Im Aive ?

 

"I can't wait for the rest of my life"

[joaofilho]

Besides everything that was written, I do not understand the treatment that Celine is having in Sony / columbia, Mariah Carey is from Columbia she releases songs with music video, Céline only releases songs, without videos, because this, because of different treatment coming from her record company.

[Javito]

Besides everything that was written, I do not understand the treatment that Celine is having in Sony / columbia, Mariah Carey is from Columbia she releases songs with music video, Céline only releases songs, without videos, because this, because of different treatment coming from her record company.

 

Simple: Mariah has a 100% artistic involvement in what she does, which translates in a good control of what she wants to do with her music in all ways and means, with singles and videos (for good or worse result).

 

Céline just doesn't care the least about any of this. The last time I remember she had some artistic involvement/decision in one of her albums is when she supposedly designed the box set for the Taking Chances Collector's edition, 11 years ago.

Edited September 19, 2018 at 12:39 PM by Javito

[biscuit2]

Jean Jacques Goldman retires at 50 to take care of this family without saying it clearly and official annoucement nobody in France say to him what he have to do this and this, you are lazy etc, …

[Dion2000]

 

 

"I can't wait for the rest of my life"

 

Thats like a 2 second note... not really sustained not to mention its a G4 so its kinda irrelevant when she’s still hitting the “WHEN i hear you breathe” with great power and not in the nasal way of 2003, shes never really sustained it in the same was as the studio version.

 

 

Case and point is that even in Unison the final” we do it in unisooooooon” she has amazing belts with vibrato or in Youre The Voice or Cant Help Falling In love With You

Edited September 19, 2018 at 01:07 PM by Dion2000

[DionFanAlways]

Wow, such a positive forum!!

Why is it so difficult to understand that she might not have the same drive she once had?

She's into her family at this point in her life, probably even more so after loosing René.

The drive will probably come back once the twins are a little older. I know many 50 year olds who are bored to death after doing the same job for 25 years. I'm sure that can also happen to artists and to all of us. She will come around when she's ready.

Me!

[Shamrock_1982]

The reason why most fans are annoyed and rightly so is because she mentioned this album two years ago and mentioned it again in a UK TV Interview last year and she nor her team have said anything about it since then to fans/media.

 

It’s not much to ask for an update this day in age, nearly a year on from that TV interview... via her official website, twitter, Instagram or in an interview with a magazine or TV channel a year on.

 

To me it’s just about keeping fans in the loop, up to date and just basic common decency, really not much to ask!

Edited September 19, 2018 at 01:19 PM by Shamrock_1982

[joaofilho]

maybe she could make a movie, be a Marvel villain, that would be very good.

[comingback]

Simple: Mariah has a 100% artistic involvement in what she does, which translates in a good control of what she wants to do with her music in all ways and means, with singles and videos (for good or worse result).

 

Céline just doesn't care the least about any of this. The last time I remember she had some artistic involvement/decision in one of her albums is when she supposedly designed the box set for the Taking Chances Collector's edition, 11 years ago.

 

She had the idea for Encore un soir and called JJG to write the song,when Rene was in hospital in Boston. I'm sure Celine also had the final word in many other decision. Please don't underestimate Celine.

Edited September 19, 2018 at 01:28 PM by comingback

[Javito]

 

 

She had the idea for Encore un soir and called JJG to write the song,when Rene was in hospital in Boston. I'm sure Celine also had the final word in many other decision. Please don't underestimate Celine.

 

Calling someone to say/request: “please write me a song” isn’t much of an artistic decision/involvement on Celine’s side right? In any case it’s again Jean-Jacques who did the work, not Celine.

 

I saw much more involvement when she recorded the bridge words for Don’t Save It All in the answering machine of Rik Wake for that matter

Edited September 19, 2018 at 01:32 PM by Javito

[comingback]

Calling someone to say/request: "please write me a song" isn't much of an artistic decision/involvement on Celine's side right? In any case it's again Jean-Jacques who wrote the song, not Celine.

 

Yes, of course JJG wrote the song (Celine is not a songwriter, like she often say), but she had the idea for the theme of the song/album and gave JJG some inspiration.

Edited September 19, 2018 at 01:38 PM by comingback

[stevo]

I don't miss Aldo not being there at all. I prefer the spontaneity of how things are at the moment and don't think he necessarily would have taken her where I'd like her to go, but who knows? Admittedly I would like to have some info about a new album. I just think it's gonna be mega. She has been riding a wave these past two years and I hope the album can somehow (without Ryan Reynold's twitter account) generate a similar hype and be as amazing.