"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Caledor]

A current producer won't necessarily mean that they will produce something current or a hit for Celine. On TC she worked with Ne-Yo, Tricky, Linda Perry, Ben Moody and they didn't give hit material to her. Tricky produced "Umbrella" for Rihanna and gave Celine such a poor track as "Skies Of LA" is which Celine didn't even know what it was about when she recorded it (she thought about LA and its palm trees). Old collaborators like Aldo Nova or lesser known like John Shanks produced some of the more ground-breaking tracks on the album.

 

So what is Skies of LA about ??

 

I think Kara DioGuardi did a great songs too? and Kristian Lundin and Andreas Carlsson

 

Definitely ! And you forgot the blond guy who wrote HYEBIL

[comingback]

So what is Skies of LA about ??

 

 

Skies of L.A. is about pollution.

 

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Celine image of L.A. and palm trees wasn't that wrong, Celine is not stupid.

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...s/#.WErs3FwQeT8

 

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LOS ANGELES — The city’s palm trees — as much a symbol of L.A. as the automobile, movie stars and the beach — are vanishing.

The trees are dying of old age and a fungal disease, disappearing one by one from parks and streets, and city planners are replacing them with oaks, sycamores and other species that are actually native to Los Angeles and offer more shade, too.

Not all palms are infected, and there is no danger of their vanishing altogether any time soon. But some parts of the city could look noticeably different in the years ahead. And that troubles some.

“I think the palm tree kind of fits with the whole Southern California vibe,” says Jonathan Scott, who manages the fashionable downtown restaurant The Palm.

The palm tree may be better symbol of L.A. than many realize. Like the many young people who come to Los Angeles in search of Hollywood stardom, palm trees are not even from here; they were brought here 100 years ago or more from Latin America and other exotic locales.

Edited December 9, 2016 at 05:45 PM by comingback

[dodobird]

I think Kara DioGuardi did a great songs too? and Kristian Lundin and Andreas Carlsson

 

Kara co-wrote Taking Chances and Surprise, Surprise but I think she only produced Surprise, Surprise (which is a fantastic song and I can't understand why I didn't gain more attention).

[browseceline]

 

Kara co-wrote Taking Chances and Surprise, Surprise but I think she only produced Surprise, Surprise (which is a fantastic song and I can't understand why I didn't gain more attention).

It was one of the songs i had in mind for the taking chances tour. Presenting her new her: just when you think you've got me figured out.... But no she did not do it. Such a shame because I loved the song...

 

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[dodobird]

 

It was one of the songs i had in mind for the taking chances tour. Presenting her new her: just when you think you've got me figured out.... But no she did not do it. Such a shame because I loved the song...

 

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My sentiments exactly! Who knows, maybe it didn't have stage potential.

[Javito]

Kara co-wrote Taking Chances and Surprise, Surprise but I think she only produced Surprise, Surprise (which is a fantastic song and I can't understand why I didn't gain more attention).

 

Why? For the same reason that you defended her performing and recording covers all the time Because she totally ignored this song, as happened with many other new gems she records and then she never touches the song again See why I can't defend her doing so many covers all the time? Because of the same point you give about Surprise Surprise

[dodobird]

 

 

Why? For the same reason that you defended her performing and recording covers all the time Because she totally ignored this song, as happened with many other new gems she records and then she never touches the song again See why I can't defend her doing so many covers all the time? Because of the same point you give about Surprise Surprise

 

I can't say I don't agree with you. But it's not always her choice. She wouldn't be Celine Dion if she didn't think of the marketability of a song or its stage potential. No matter how romantically we want to see things, being an artist is much much more than being a good singer or a good songwriter. You also need to keep in mind the business-side of things. You might have the most wonderful voice on earth but if you don't market it the right way you won't go beyond your shower or local bar.

 

Take MHWGO for example. Objectively it's not the best song ever written nor was it ever Celine's favorite. BUT, would she be who she is today if she didn't sing it? If Rene hadn't insisted? I think (and again....it's only my personal opinion) that it all comes down to this : you either want to be a BIG artist (meaning reach Celine's level) and be able to use that power and that 'platform' to do good (I.e give back, make people happy, give your fans your best etc etc) but accept that you need to find a balance between being artistically true to yourself and doing what needs to be done in order to get and stay there OR keep dancing to your own drumbeat (I.e refuse to do anything that you don't align with 100%) and accept that you might never have the chance to share this with an audience larger than what can fit in your living room or your local bar. It all comes down to personal choice.

 

But please, no matter what I say, don't by any means take it as an attempt of mine to convince you. I really enjoy conversing with you so keep it coming!! I love healthy dialogue and I always come out of it learning something I hadn't previously thought

 

 

P.s : I apologize for typos or other mistakes, my iPad is going absolutely crazy lately and I'm finding all sorts of errors in my posts

[Javito]

I can't say I don't agree with you. But it's not always her choice. She wouldn't be Celine Dion if she didn't think of the marketability of a song or its stage potential. No matter how romantically we want to see things, being an artist is much much more than being a good singer or a good songwriter. You also need to keep in mind the business-side of things. You might have the most wonderful voice on earth but if you don't market it the right way you won't go beyond your shower or local bar.

 

Take MHWGO for example. Objectively it's not the best song ever written nor was it ever Celine's favorite. BUT, would she be who she is today if she didn't sing it? If Rene hadn't insisted? I think (and again....it's only my personal opinion) that it all comes down to this : you either want to be a BIG artist (meaning reach Celine's level) and be able to use that power and that 'platform' to do good (I.e give back, make people happy, give your fans your best etc etc) but accept that you need to find a balance between being artistically true to yourself and doing what needs to be done in order to get and stay there OR keep dancing to your own drumbeat (I.e refuse to do anything that you don't align with 100%) and accept that you might never have the chance to share this with an audience larger than what can fit in your living room or your local bar. It all comes down to personal choice.

 

But please, no matter what I say, don't by any means take it as an attempt of mine to convince you. I really enjoy conversing with you so keep it coming!! I love healthy dialogue and I always come out of it learning something I hadn't previously thought

 

 

P.s : I apologize for typos or other mistakes, my iPad is going absolutely crazy lately and I'm finding all sorts of errors in my posts

 

Well, take her Taking Chances world tour for this case. And remove any "Soul Medley's", "It's A Man's World's", "We Will Rock You's" and "The Show Must Go On's" and include instead Surprise Surprise. Or Then You Look At Me. Or I Know What Love Is. Or whatever of her own songs you want

 

There's not any business-side on a tour, other than singing and performing the songs you want, especially if you just released a new album. People don't expect anything else on a tour than seeing you perform YOUR songs, not songs from others. If an artist includes covers of songs that don't belong to him/her, or songs that are not coming from his/her albums and released material, that's only a bonus for the audience. It's not the normal thing. But with Celine, having her singing more covers than her own songs has become the habit, and seeing her performing her own songs has become the bonus thing, the surprise factor for the fans. That's not normal. Luckily, this is changing today, with the new Vegas show and the French summer tour, but I don't even want to remember how was the setlist of the first version of the "Celine" Vegas show in 2011. That was the most anti-Celine Dion show she has ever put on (ironically, they called it "Celine" )

 

Everytime she includes a cover in her shows or in her albums (but especially in her shows), that's a chance of performing one of her own songs that is missed. And her concerts usually include not just one or a couple of covers, but several of them. So? What do we do?

Edited December 10, 2016 at 01:34 AM by Javito

[québecflower]

Well, take her Taking Chances world tour for this case. And remove any "Soul Medley's", "It's A Man's World's", "We Will Rock You's" and "The Show Must Go On's" and include instead Surprise Surprise. Or Then You Look At Me. Or I Know What Love Is. Or whatever of her own songs you want

 

There's not any business-side on a tour, other than singing and performing the songs you want, especially if you just released a new album. People don't expect anything else on a tour than seeing you perform YOUR songs, not songs from others. If an artist includes covers of songs that don't belong to him/her, or songs that are not coming from his/her albums and released material, that's only a bonus for the audience. It's not the normal thing. But with Celine, having her singing more covers than her own songs has become the habit, and seeing her performing her own songs has become the bonus thing, the surprise factor for the fans. That's not normal. Luckily, this is changing today, with the new Vegas show and the French summer tour, but I don't even want to remember how was the setlist of the first version of the "Celine" Vegas show in 2011. That was the most anti-Celine Dion show she has ever put on (ironically, they called it "Celine" )

 

Everytime she includes a cover in her shows or in her albums (but especially in her shows), that's a chance of performing one of her own songs that is missed. And her concerts usually include not just one or a couple of covers, but several of them. So? What do we do?

i think it's a man's world... was really great... i regret not have seen it live. Just that song was a great value. But i wasn't there.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Kara co-wrote Taking Chances and Surprise, Surprise but I think she only produced Surprise, Surprise (which is a fantastic song and I can't understand why I didn't gain more attention).

 

Me too, i like Surprise, Surprise

[dodobird]

 

 

Well, take her Taking Chances world tour for this case. And remove any "Soul Medley's", "It's A Man's World's", "We Will Rock You's" and "The Show Must Go On's" and include instead Surprise Surprise. Or Then You Look At Me. Or I Know What Love Is. Or whatever of her own songs you want

 

There's not any business-side on a tour, other than singing and performing the songs you want, especially if you just released a new album. People don't expect anything else on a tour than seeing you perform YOUR songs, not songs from others. If an artist includes covers of songs that don't belong to him/her, or songs that are not coming from his/her albums and released material, that's only a bonus for the audience. It's not the normal thing. But with Celine, having her singing more covers than her own songs has become the habit, and seeing her performing her own songs has become the bonus thing, the surprise factor for the fans. That's not normal. Luckily, this is changing today, with the new Vegas show and the French summer tour, but I don't even want to remember how was the setlist of the first version of the "Celine" Vegas show in 2011. That was the most anti-Celine Dion show she has ever put on (ironically, they called it "Celine" )

 

Everytime she includes a cover in her shows or in her albums (but especially in her shows), that's a chance of performing one of her own songs that is missed. And her concerts usually include not just one or a couple of covers, but several of them. So? What do we do?

 

Nobody is saying that it wouldn't be nice to have her perform more of her songs instead of covers and maybe we will see her do that from now on. But I am afraid I can't agree that artistic decisions aren't often interwined with business decisions when it comes to putting together a tour. You'd be surprised at how much 'politics' and business-oriented decisions are involved in being an artist or musician nowadays.

 

The TC Tour was put together by a team of professionals, being led by Rene. I can't believe for a second that any of the decisions made were random or made without purpose. It's like speed limits...I don't always agree with them but I say to myself that they must have been put there for a reason, by people who know more about it than I do.

[Caledor]

I can't say I don't agree with you. But it's not always her choice. She wouldn't be Celine Dion if she didn't think of the marketability of a song or its stage potential. No matter how romantically we want to see things, being an artist is much much more than being a good singer or a good songwriter. You also need to keep in mind the business-side of things. You might have the most wonderful voice on earth but if you don't market it the right way you won't go beyond your shower or local bar.

 

Take MHWGO for example. Objectively it's not the best song ever written nor was it ever Celine's favorite. BUT, would she be who she is today if she didn't sing it? If Rene hadn't insisted? I think (and again....it's only my personal opinion) that it all comes down to this : you either want to be a BIG artist (meaning reach Celine's level) and be able to use that power and that 'platform' to do good (I.e give back, make people happy, give your fans your best etc etc) but accept that you need to find a balance between being artistically true to yourself and doing what needs to be done in order to get and stay there OR keep dancing to your own drumbeat (I.e refuse to do anything that you don't align with 100%) and accept that you might never have the chance to share this with an audience larger than what can fit in your living room or your local bar. It all comes down to personal choice.

 

But please, no matter what I say, don't by any means take it as an attempt of mine to convince you. I really enjoy conversing with you so keep it coming!! I love healthy dialogue and I always come out of it learning something I hadn't previously thought

 

 

P.s : I apologize for typos or other mistakes, my iPad is going absolutely crazy lately and I'm finding all sorts of errors in my posts

 

 

I couldn't agree more with you. Being an artist like Celine (worldwide superstar) cannot only be because she sang the songs she wanted. The extent to a career is also made by some more business-oriented choices, and that can mean doing covers that people love.

I'm personnally often bored with covers, knowing that she has soooo many beautiful songs of her own, especially written for her (e.g. the ALT for the posthumous award for Rene). But I understand the business side of being an artist.

 

The thing is, you took the example of MHWGO which is a very good choice. It is a song of her own, not a cover, true. But today, I'm feeling like she HAS to sing this song in every show/tour/residency, not because she wants it, not because she likes it, but because this is the song who made her even more famous, and because, the random fan who comes to see her (not the die-hard like us) WANTS to hear it. This is also a business decision.

 

Nice topic

[Leo]

I think Kara DioGuardi did a great songs too? and Kristian Lundin and Andreas Carlsson

 

But Kara DioGuardi had already collaborated on ANDHC and OH. Kristian Lundin and Andreas Carlsson had worked with her since 1999. Both teams gave Celine current-sounding material.

[Javito]

To make it short, if it wasn't for Kristian Lundin, she would have been barely played in radios since Titanic. She owes so much to Kristian Lundin and Andreas Carlsson for those songs they wrote to her.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

But Kara DioGuardi had already collaborated on ANDHC and OH. Kristian Lundin and Andreas Carlsson had worked with her since 1999. Both teams gave Celine current-sounding material.

 

Is it bad to do it again?

[CelineDionFreak]

I would really like a new Kristian Lundin song. I just thought his were amazing and would be perfect for her right now!

[isurrender]

A current producer won't necessarily mean that they will produce something current or a hit for Celine. On TC she worked with Ne-Yo, Tricky, Linda Perry, Ben Moody and they didn't give hit material to her. Tricky produced "Umbrella" for Rihanna and gave Celine such a poor track as "Skies Of LA" is which Celine didn't even know what it was about when she recorded it (she thought about LA and its palm trees). Old collaborators like Aldo Nova or lesser known like John Shanks produced some of the more ground-breaking tracks on the album.

 

I don't agree with you.

 

A good song is not always a hit and the other way around. All the producers you quoted gave her good songs but yeah, they didn't don't scram "hit".

 

Especially nowaday I tend to think that quality of the song is only 10% of the success of it.

[LukeD]

Can we all accept Celine will not have another English hit song and move on?

 

I think that after such a tremendous global success, it is easy for us to focus on the quality of her msuic (or lack of it). In my opinion, it is what really matters.

[donpi86]

Can we all accept Celine will not have another English hit song and move on?

 

I think that after such a tremendous global success, it is easy for us to focus on the quality of her msuic (or lack of it). In my opinion, it is what really matters.

 

CORRECT.. And I would say... THE LACK OF IT... I don't understand why in this point, where she doesn't need any hit song they keep trying to have one with sh***y pop music... But inb the other hand I feel that is what she wants... I'm afraid that it is not only a lack of quality producers/writers quality... I think it is a lack of music culture (not technique) in Celine herself... for example, if you choose Pentatonix as the major representation of a chritsmas playlist... hehehehehe

[québecflower]

where is Don't like this button when you need it.

[BartFCS]

CORRECT.. And I would say... THE LACK OF IT... I don't understand why in this point, where she doesn't need any hit song they keep trying to have one with sh***y pop music... But inb the other hand I feel that is what she wants... I'm afraid that it is not only a lack of quality producers/writers quality... I think it is a lack of music culture (not technique) in Celine herself... for example, if you choose Pentatonix as the major representation of a chritsmas playlist... hehehehehe

... as much as I hate your post I totally agree with it...

[jpatdeleon09]

I feel like her upcoming english album is like EUS concept. Is it true that we will get an english version of Encore un soir?

 

Her recovering song, when she sang it live i don't like her vibrato there (vegas version). "I am recovering eng eng eng eng.." only that part. Maybe a little vibrato not too much would be pleasant to hear

[dodobird]

Somebody said it before but we really need an English-speaking JJG. The songs he wrote for her are out of this world.

[Daysleeper]

Somebody said it before but we really need an English-speaking JJG. The songs he wrote for her are out of this world.

True. And I think it's not only about the songs Jean-Jacques wrote for her but also about the way he guided her through the recording process and managed to bring out the best of her on the artistic level. He introduced her with a completely different approach in singing and making music. It's a different story when you have more producers and songwriters for one album. They all have seem to have different visions. That's why I think there should be one person who would be in charge of coordinating things. Especially in the process of the song selection for the album.

[dodobird]

True. And I think it's not only about the songs Jean-Jacques wrote for her but also about the way he guided her through the recording process and managed to bring out the best of her on the artistic level. He introduced her with a completely different approach in singing and making music. It's a different story when you have more producers and songwriters for one album. They all have seem to have different visions. That's why I think there should be one person who would be in charge of coordinating things. Especially in the process of the song selection for the album.

 

I agree. And this would make for a much more coherent album in general.

[celine4evauk]

It would be fab for Celine to work with a producer who would get her to adlib, try new things etc. Like Jean-Jacques, like Ben Moody, like George Martin. I think a few of them are a little bit scared to tell her. Also it comes down to how much studio time she gets on each song.

[Caledor]

I would really like a new Kristian Lundin song. I just thought his were amazing and would be perfect for her right now!

 

True! ANd the blond guy who wrote HYEBIL ... Gosh I can't remember his name

 

I feel like her upcoming english album is like EUS concept. Is it true that we will get an english version of Encore un soir?

 

 

I reaaaaaally hope not ! French translations of English songs (or the other way around) is IMO catastrophic ... Look at the translation of TLS, PQTME, JSP ...

[Davey84]

 

 

True! ANd the blond guy who wrote HYEBIL ... Gosh I can't remember his name

 

ANDERS BAGGE

 

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[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

True! ANd the blond guy who wrote HYEBIL ... Gosh I can't remember his name

 

 

 

I reaaaaaally hope not ! French translations of English songs (or the other way around) is IMO catastrophic ... Look at the translation of TLS, PQTME, JSP ...

 

LYHD was a disgusting disaster. But I love ITWIT, and IDK.

[Caledor]

ANDERS BAGGE

 

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