"Courage" album - Official Topic

[pat200]

Who cares about just the US. And btw a french album will not finish in the top 200 Year end of the US!!!

 

leave it to an 18 year old to explain how good or bad sales of an artist are to people who have been following and studying charts/sales for more than 18 years, and then calling us haters for setting the record straight. all it took us was 20 seconds to find the links to show you that your claims are false, so no it won't take you hours. Just accept that you were wrong and keep enjoying the forum.

 

if you couldn't handle being checked in regarding your info and your response is to call us haters then yeah maybe this place is too hardcore for you

Edited April 5, 2018 at 09:30 PM by pat200

[Dion2000]

Who cares about just the US. And btw a french album will not finish in the top 200 Year end of the US!!!

 

leave it to an 18 year old to explain how good or bad sales of an artist are to people who have been following and studying charts/sales for more than 18 years, and then calling us haters for setting the record straight. all it took us was 20 seconds to find the links to show you that your claims are false, so no it won't take you hours. Just accept that you were wrong and keep enjoying the forum.

 

if you couldn't handle being checked in regarding your info and your response is to call us haters then yeah maybe this place is too hardcore for you

 

 

Again ageism and disrespect. Wow. And I thought a forum was for freedom to express your opinion.... i guess i was wrong

 

Your links proved nothing. BillBoard also doesn’t represent only the USA, the description clearly states these are world wide sales, if you literally google “Encore Un Soir End of Year Chart” you get this :

 

Weekly charts Edit

Chart (2016) Peak

position

Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria)[112] 15

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[103] 1

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[102] 1

Canadian Albums (Billboard)[128] 1

Czech Albums (ČNS IFPI)[129] 2

Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)[110] 7

French Albums (SNEP)[130] 1

German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)[113] 16

Greek Albums (IFPI)[131] 32

Hungarian Albums (MAHASZ)[115] 20

Italian Albums (FIMI)[106] 3

Italian Albums (Hit Parade)[132] 5

South Korean Albums (Gaon)[109] 58

South Korean International Albums (Gaon)[108] 6

Polish Albums (ZPAV)[107] 6

Portuguese Albums (AFP)[111] 13

Quebec Albums (ADISQ)[79] 1

Scottish Albums (OCC)[120] 70

Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[114] 18

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[104] 1

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade Romandy)[133] 1

Taiwanese Western Albums (5-Music)[105] 1

UK Albums (OCC)[116]

Italian Albums (FIMI)[106] 3

Italian Albums (Hit Parade)[132] 5

South Korean Albums (Gaon)[109] 58

South Korean International Albums (Gaon)[108] 6

Polish Albums (ZPAV)[107] 6

Portuguese Albums (AFP)[111] 13

Quebec Albums (ADISQ)[79] 1

Scottish Albums (OCC)[120] 70

Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[114] 18

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[104] 1

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade Romandy)[133] 1

Taiwanese Western Albums (5-Music)[105] 1

UK Albums (OCC)[116]

US Top Album Sales (Billboard)[122] 96

US Top Current Albums (Billboard)[121] 82

US World Albums (Billboard)[121] 1

Year-end charts Edit

Chart (2016) Position

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[134] 43

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[135] 1

Canadian Albums (Billboard)[136] 11

Canadian Overall Albums (SoundScan)[101] 8

Canadian Sales Albums (SoundScan)[101] 3

Canadian Physical Sales Albums (SoundScan)[101] 2

French Albums (SNEP)[137] 2

Hungarian Albums (MAHASZ)[138] 78

Italian Albums (Hit Parade)[132] 163

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[139] 7

Worldwide Albums (IFPI)[140] 92

Chart (2017) Position

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[141] 146

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[142] 31

French Albums (SNEP)[143] 66

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[144] 35

 

Boom Done

 

 

 

[Dion2000]

 

 

Are you stupid or something?? You really think there is only the album sales?? Celine is one of the top seller for shows/tour and she is doing tons of shows like no other per year. She is almost sold out everywhere everytime. Of course Sony is earning BIG money from the tours, vegas, albums.

 

Madonna having trouble? She have a huge deal with Live nation for her albums, tour, merch. Her Rebel Heart Tour grossed $169.8 million

 

Are you stupid ?? The only person who gets the money as profits from Celines vegas and touring are AEG Live, Caesars and various promoters from where she’s performing. Dont be ignorant. Sony gets money from royalties,album sales, single sales, airplay, copyright usage..:. NOT her tours or shows

 

Once again, Madonnas tours dont give money to her record label, once again ignorance. She grossed 169.8 million for her tour okay, does that go to her record label ? No. Does it go to her promoters, sponsors and Tour representatives?? YES.

 

 

[Dion2000]

 

 

I didn't mean it to be demeaning, I apologize.

 

Can you please provide sources where these things are stated?

 

 

You can literally read there wikipedia pages (which btw are administrated and protected from public editing) Maddona has swapped label with issues COUNTLESS times, as Has Mariah and Paul McCartney. After Tina and Ike divorced no one would hire her as they thought she couldnt sell, literally in her biography.

[pat200]

Again ageism and disrespect. Wow. And I thought a forum was for freedom to express your opinion.... i guess i was wrong

 

Your links proved nothing. BillBoard also doesn't represent only the USA, the description clearly states these are world wide sales, if you literally google "Encore Un Soir End of Year Chart" you get this :

 

Weekly charts Edit

Chart (2016) Peak

position

 

Boom Done

 

 

there is nothing Boom Done. Because once again, billboard is not the reference for worldwide sales, but IFPI and to a certain extent Mediatraffic and both put her in the top 40 year end worldwide. so my links proved you wrong. So boom done to you.

 

There was nothing disrespectful in my post so do not go run behind that excuse for guilting others. if you want to argue and you are wrong, you will hear honest opinions that you will not like because they call you out.

 

as for the ageism comment, if you think that is ageism and it makes you feel better, then go ahead, but it is not the case because this is not the workplace, this is a forum where you discuss with people just like you discuss with your family or friends, so do not hide behind big words, unless you always accuse your family of friends in such situations as being ageists. again, guilting doesn't do you any favors.

 

forums are for expression of opinions yes, but in your case you are expressing your opinion of numbers and facts as truth and this is where you lose your arguments. facts are facts, there are numbers behind them that are concrete. you can argue your opinion as much as you want about her voice, or how you love it or not and so on, but you can not argue about numbers. 1+1 will always be 2. do you see what i mean?

[Dion2000]

 

 

 

there is nothing Boom Done. Because once again, billboard is not the reference for worldwide sales, but IFPI and to a certain extent Mediatraffic and both put her in the top 40 year end worldwide. so my links proved you wrong. So boom done to you.

 

There was nothing disrespectful in my post so do not go run behind that excuse for guilting others. if you want to argue and you are wrong, you will hear honest opinions that you will not like because they call you out.

 

as for the ageism comment, if you think that is ageism and it makes you feel better, then go ahead, but it is not the case because this is not the workplace, this is a forum where you discuss with people just like you discuss with your family or friends, so do not hide behind big words, unless you always accuse your family of friends in such situations as being ageists. again, guilting doesn't do you any favors.

 

forums are for exp<b></b>ression of opinions yes, but in your case you are expressing your opinion of numbers and facts as truth and this is where you lose your arguments. facts are facts, there are numbers behind them that are concrete. you can argue your opinion as much as you want about her voice, or how you love it or not and so on, but you can not argue about numbers. 1+1 will always be 2. do you see what i mean?

 

Okay so you sit and say this is about expressing opinions and being free to do so without contradiction. However you then go and actually act even more ignorant than originally, you did act with ageism saying i shouldnt be telling people about facts at 18, it isnt the work place but as all “ism” and as all acts of offence, segregation or disrespect based on an act we cannot control, you then deny your actions. Is sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, moralistic opinion and again, all other rude fallacies created by things you cannot control, it doesn’t extend only to the workplace and to insinuate so thats extremely and completely ignorant, hateful and disrespectful.

 

Once again what happend to “freedom of expression” but you say anything i say is wrong and isnt a fact when i just posted a list of all the places EUS charted but NOOOOOOOO thats not suiting your agenda

 

Nothing offensive but..... ugh you hurt my brain. Are mods really gonna let him/ her act like this and..... ugh its pointless

[pat200]

ughh ignore button is so helpful...i am being called an ignorant and hateful person for trying to reason with someone about FACTS. hahahahaha. Edited April 5, 2018 at 10:52 PM by pat200

[Xpresso]

Holy Dion, calm down dude!!!!

Billboard is NOT the Music Bible worldwide. Reporting some international charts doesn't make them International.

 

On a side note: I remember being 18 and thinking I knew it all... but didn't know cr@p!! Hang in there though things do get better.

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

With a French release, she had the 5th best-selling album of 2016 by a female artist - she DOES still deliver the sales the companies crave.

 

Further, even if she didn't - having that name value on your label is priceless (and for Sony, even moreso - they license her catalogue from day 1 - it'd be a damn shame for them to lose anything).

 

I bet you anything she would have sold far more copies of “Encore un soir” in the U.S. had she promoted it more instead of the horrible digi-single for “The Show Must Go On.” The title track, “L’etoile,” “Tu sauras” and a few others would have pushed her into more territory in the U.S. market for today’s generation.

[gafsa]

this is where this discussion ends... sources. they don't exist. i asked for the source about the fact that Celine was the second choice to sing beauty and the beast, i'm still waiting.

 

LOL, I thought I'm the only one who still waiting

 

 

 

Tik tok tik tok....... ⏱

[jpatdeleon09]

Is he really a celine fan? Don’t use “stupid” or any harsh words. You’re like a Mimi fan... are you? Edited April 6, 2018 at 01:13 AM by jpatdeleon09

[actofcontrition]

Are you stupid ?? The only person who gets the money as profits from Celines vegas and touring are AEG Live, Caesars and various promoters from where she's performing. Dont be ignorant. Sony gets money from royalties,album sales, single sales, airplay, copyright usage..:. NOT her tours or shows

 

Once again, Madonnas tours dont give money to her record label, once again ignorance. She grossed 169.8 million for her tour okay, does that go to her record label ? No. Does it go to her promoters, sponsors and Tour representatives?? YES.

 

Google 'Record labels and tour sales' and you will see that since the decline of album sales, record labels added to the contract with a artist a % of the profit from tours!

 

And for Madonna Google 'Madonna live nation deal' and you'll see that live nation is producing everything (album, dvd, tours, merch) so they made profits from all of this!

[wjd]

I bet you anything she would have sold far more copies of "Encore un soir" in the U.S. had she promoted it more instead of the horrible digi-single for "The Show Must Go On." The title track, "L'etoile," "Tu sauras" and a few others would have pushed her into more territory in the U.S. market for today's generation.

 

No French album has ever impacted the top 200 Billboard Albums Chart - not even D'eux in the 90s - even with promotion, I hardly think it would've been different this time (though I suspect she came reasonably close).

[wjd]

Google 'Record labels and tour sales' and you will see that since the decline of album sales, record labels added to the contract with a artist a % of the profit from tours!

 

And for Madonna Google 'Madonna live nation deal' and you'll see that live nation is producing everything (album, dvd, tours, merch) so they made profits from all of this!

 

That might feature part of newly signed contracts, for less established artists - but I highly doubt that would feature part of a Celine Dion contract with Sony unless she signed a live entertainment contract with them (which is why Madonna signed with Live Nation - in return for X amount of albums and X amount of tours, Live Nation paid Madonna $120 million + she would've gotten probably 40-50% of all future tour profits).

 

Celine has the best of both worlds - a live entertainment contract with AEG (which I suspect Sony don't get anything from, though cannot be sure) + the highest royalty rate of any non-songwriter in music (rumoured to be around 20-25%).

[Nmj]

 

 

Are you stupid ?? The only person who gets the money as profits from Celines vegas and touring are AEG Live, Caesars and various promoters from where she’s performing. Dont be ignorant. Sony gets money from royalties,album sales, single sales, airplay, copyright usage..:. NOT her tours or shows

 

Once again, Madonnas tours dont give money to her record label, once again ignorance. She grossed 169.8 million for her tour okay, does that go to her record label ? No. Does it go to her promoters, sponsors and Tour representatives?? YES.

 

Who are you calling stupid and yet you got offended by being called “honey “???I find it quite funny that you seem to know it all and preach of album sales and yet you seem to be born about 2 years before Celine went to Vegas and her album sales took on a whole new life also in the era of Napster and music file sharing websites which changed the game of record sales forever....but it’s okay “Dion2000” we will pretend to think you know what in the hell you’re talking about, and by the way you keep threthening to delete your account but yet somehow you’re still here???

[melquilisboa]

 

 

 

LMBTL actually entered and peaked at #2 in the US. On the worldwide charts according to IFPI, it was the 25th best selling album worldwide in 2013.

I don't even know how did lmbtl debut at #2 when the album is stucked at 300k in the usa, the biggest flop of her career, and the new album can easily dethrone it

[melquilisboa]

 

 

That might feature part of newly signed contracts, for less established artists - but I highly doubt that would feature part of a Celine Dion contract with Sony unless she signed a live entertainment contract with them (which is why Madonna signed with Live Nation - in return for X amount of albums and X amount of tours, Live Nation paid Madonna $120 million + she would've gotten probably 40-50% of all future tour profits).

 

Celine has the best of both worlds - a live entertainment contract with AEG (which I suspect Sony don't get anything from, though cannot be sure) + the highest royalty rate of any non-songwriter in music (rumoured to be around 20-25%).

"+ the highest royalty rate of any non-songwriter in music (rumoured to be around 20-25%)"

Do you have any receipt to prove this?

[melquilisboa]

FINE then. I cant deal with this. Ill delete my account, thats whats needed here. Btw i dont have time to spend hours sending links and responding to all of your hate. Goodbye haters cause thats all you are

Stay..

 

 

[Dion2000]

Its come to my attention that i cant self delete my account, but once again since everyone seems to be blind and or turn a blind eye to actual facts. Ill post this AGAIN :

 

Weekly charts Edit

Chart (2016) Peak

position

Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria)[112] 15

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[103] 1

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[102] 1

Canadian Albums (Billboard)[128] 1

Czech Albums (ČNS IFPI)[129] 2

Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)[110] 7

French Albums (SNEP)[130] 1

German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)[113] 16

Greek Albums (IFPI)[131] 32

Hungarian Albums (MAHASZ)[115] 20

Italian Albums (FIMI)[106] 3

Italian Albums (Hit Parade)[132] 5

South Korean Albums (Gaon)[109] 58

South Korean International Albums (Gaon)[108] 6

Polish Albums (ZPAV)[107] 6

Portuguese Albums (AFP)[111] 13

Quebec Albums (ADISQ)[79] 1

Scottish Albums (OCC)[120] 70

Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[114] 18

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[104] 1

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade Romandy)[133] 1

Taiwanese Western Albums (5-Music)[105] 1

UK Albums (OCC)[116]

Italian Albums (FIMI)[106] 3

Italian Albums (Hit Parade)[132] 5

South Korean Albums (Gaon)[109] 58

South Korean International Albums (Gaon)[108] 6

Polish Albums (ZPAV)[107] 6

Portuguese Albums (AFP)[111] 13

Quebec Albums (ADISQ)[79] 1

Scottish Albums (OCC)[120] 70

Spanish Albums (PROMUSICAE)[114] 18

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[104] 1

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade Romandy)[133] 1

Taiwanese Western Albums (5-Music)[105] 1

UK Albums (OCC)[116]

US Top Album Sales (Billboard)[122] 96

US Top Current Albums (Billboard)[121] 82

US World Albums (Billboard)[121] 1

Year-end charts Edit

Chart (2016) Position

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[134] 43

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[135] 1

Canadian Albums (Billboard)[136] 11

Canadian Overall Albums (SoundScan)[101] 8

Canadian Sales Albums (SoundScan)[101] 3

Canadian Physical Sales Albums (SoundScan)[101] 2

French Albums (SNEP)[137] 2

Hungarian Albums (MAHASZ)[138] 78

Italian Albums (Hit Parade)[132] 163

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[139] 7

Worldwide Albums (IFPI)[140] 92

Chart (2017) Position

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[141] 146

Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)[142] 31

French Albums (SNEP)[143] 66

Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)[144] 35

 

 

 

Thats all the places it charted world wide and the end of year charts it placed in.EUS was successful yes but not as most of you paint it out to be. This isnt billboard these are the individual charts world wide where this placed. Once again pat200 it didnt place on any major end of year chart except from france (to be expected)

[Del]

Why are we arguing about charts again? Does it really matter where her last few albums have landed. We shouldn't be looking at the past but ahead into the future.

[jpatdeleon09]

We don’t say goodbye...

[gafsa]

We don’t say goodbye...

 

 

but it's all coming back to me nooooooooowwwwww

[stevo]

Let's Talk About Love.

 

Can everyone apologise to each other and just agree to disagree.

 

And hope Celine's tubes close soon so she can finish the album and actually give us something to sing and shout about!

[Xpresso]

These charts don't tell you how many total albums were sold!! You can be #1 with 100k copies in some countries and with 15k in some others so that doesn't mean much. You have to look at the year end worldwide chart to get the big picture. And EUS was a top selling album - and in French on top of that - along with English albums by Rihanna, Sia, etc. Not too bad if you ask me.

[Xpresso]

Just agree to disagree? Someone won't agree I'm sure...

[Kyle_Jared]

Let's Talk About Love.

 

Can everyone apologise to each other and just agree to disagree.

 

And hope Celine's tubes close soon so she can finish the album and actually give us something to sing and shout about!

 

Agreed the recovery time for this surgery is relatively short. Minor in nature. Let's hope by May 22 she's back on stage in Vegas and even before then (Maybe first of may ) we get a new Celine interview and single!!

[AtitanicfanofCelineDion]

Id be ok with her posting something on her social media accounts. I know she is guarded about her health and i dont blame her but sheesh she worries me.

[AtitanicfanofCelineDion]

Double post Edited April 6, 2018 at 12:23 PM by AtitanicfanofCelineDion

[dj_a_rock]

Lets make thing clear here.

 

SONY get their money from Celine's album, streaming, digital download.

 

AEG get the money from tours, concerts , Vegas.

 

SONY will NOT get profit no matter how sold out her concert tickets and not interested on her ability to sell tickets.

 

SONY needs a decent number of album sales from her. Otherwise, they would rather drop her from their label and put their investment to someone who can bring more money like Beyonce or Alicia Keys who were also veteran artists too but constantly outsell her albums.

 

Just trying to be realistic here.

[isurrender]

Alicia Keys? Her last 2 albums flopped more than Celine's last 2... lol