"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Peppercorn1991]

Man I wish there was some proper news to talk about....

 

Kev x

[melquilisboa]

Melquilisboa, fan who was 4 years old in 2002 when ANDHC was released (LOL), please read below!

 

Actually I was born in 2001 and I still have autority to say ANDHC wasn't marketed for young publics neither did it reach young folks....you can see it on its streams, if this album had any impact in the last 15 years, ppl would still be talking about it like they talk (and celebrate) about some albums like Stripped by Christina Aguilera.... Céline's 2000's discography without any exception, aged really bad, that's why i'm always complaining about "reinvention", "current sound" etc.... because TRUE artists risk themselves so they can be talked about in the future generations for some impactful things they've done....

Plus: the young generation also says Céline has no impact and influence on pop music because of that... because they never saw Céline reinventing herself like the other divas

 

(idk where you live, but go to twitter and search for "celine stans"....ppl make jokes about her, because they said Céline has no stans, and her only fanbase are 70 years old ppl....they say stuff like that because Céline delivers an OLD image, there's no way with trying to force she was ever marketed for a young public, because it never worked, like ever)

[celine4evauk]

Seriously, this forum sometimes 😬

 

Maybe this topic should be locked until there’s actual information again 🤨

[wjd]

Actually I was born in 2001 and I still have autority to say ANDHC wasn't marketed for young publics neither did it reach young folks....you can see it on its streams, if this album had any impact in the last 15 years, ppl would still be talking about it like they talk (and celebrate) about some albums like Stripped by Christina Aguilera.... Céline's 2000's discography without any exception, aged really bad, that's why i'm always complaining about "reinvention", "current sound" etc.... because TRUE artists risk themselves so they can be talked about in the future generations for some impactful things they've done....

Plus: the young generation also says Céline has no impact and influence on pop music because of that... because they never saw Céline reinventing herself like the other divas

 

(idk where you live, but go to twitter and search for "celine stans"....ppl make jokes about her, because they said Céline has no stans, and her only fanbase are 70 years old ppl....they say stuff like that because Céline delivers an OLD image, there's no way with trying to force she was ever marketed for a young public, because it never worked, like ever)

 

You must live a meaningful life if you spend your time searching Twitter for random comments.

 

Celine has never been about reinvention and never will be - get used to it.

[Javito]

You're really comparing Céline with Pink like it was only about the hair omg!!!! Hunty, it's about Céline's face and wrinkles! A long hair always covers them, that's why she always looks younger when she's with long hair....you can't compare Céline with any singer, she's the one who aged the worst, it's on her genes

 

Seriously , I can't see any wrinkles on Céline's face in that 2003 video I posted, other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have

 

So you're just 17... LOL. Just wait and see

 

Actually I was born in 2001 and I still have autority to say ANDHC wasn't marketed for young publics neither did it reach young folks....you can see it on its streams, if this album had any impact in the last 15 years, ppl would still be talking about it like they talk (and celebrate) about some albums like Stripped by Christina Aguilera.... Céline's 2000's discography without any exception, aged really bad, that's why i'm always complaining about "reinvention", "current sound" etc.... because TRUE artists risk themselves so they can be talked about in the future generations for some impactful things they've done....

Plus: the young generation also says Céline has no impact and influence on pop music because of that... because they never saw Céline reinventing herself like the other divas

 

(idk where you live, but go to twitter and search for "celine stans"....ppl make jokes about her, because they said Céline has no stans, and her only fanbase are 70 years old ppl....they say stuff like that because Céline delivers an OLD image, there's no way with trying to force she was ever marketed for a young public, because it never worked, like ever)

 

Before saying anything, please note that I agree to a great extent with some of the things that you have added now, but I have to say that if all you're taking into consideration is the trash comments and all the garbage that is thrown in Twitter, sorry but there's no point in discussing any further now Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?!

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply back to you when you are 17 and were ONLY 4 in 2002, it's like trying to explain you how cassettes or Mini Discs were when you did not even see them for sale on stores ever

 

You are SO wrong if you think that ANDHC didn't have any impact on young listeners back in 2002 and 2003. If you ask people that were in they 15s and 20s in that year, they DO remember ANDHC, I'm Alive and IDAN as the last songs that Céline had being played on radios everywhere. And IF you're played on the radio today it means you're POPULAR in some way or another (not viceversa!). If you're bringing up Twitter as a source to back up your views, I say go and look on the comments on YouTube for the ANDHC videoclip: they're full of praising by young listeners there, both teenagers that have discovered the song at present and also other fans in their 30s like me who still remember this song as BIG back on the day

 

Céline is not a popular singer anymore today because it's been 15 years since she hasn't had any hit, single or album with success or impact anywhere (talking about her English career here, not the French albums). And it's been 15 years that she hasn't had any nomination for an award in her English career. Her way through any radio charts and nomination awards with an English single is conspicous bu its absence since 2003. That's why young people doesn't talk about Céline Dion today. And the more years pass by, the least young generations will know about her. That's a fact, but that's the direction she herself has wanted her career to go. She's on a legend status (she went too soon into that category in my opinion), not a diva or pop star status anymore (Pop comes from "popular", you know). She's clearly not a popular singer now. Better or worse? I don't know, but she could have stayed more in the "pop status" level before entering the "legend status" imo...

 

And Céline has never reinvented herself, not that she even tried to! She's on another level with that. But I grant you that she should have tried to "reinvent" herself many years ago, because now, maybe it's too late, maybe there's no point in doing that. But I insist that with the ANDHC album she did try many new styles of music that brought her career to another new level and public that she hadn't even reached before. She released two uptempo singles on a row, and they have never done that with any of her albums before. She brought Destiny's Child, the girl band of the moment, to her TV special to sing her song with her. They clearly marketed the ANDHC album to a young and new generation of fans. In that way, she did reinvent herself with that comeback album, without pretending it.

 

Did they f*** up everything with the release of GTSW single and then HYEBIL in 2003? Absolutely. But that wasn't less of a f*** up than her voluntary retirement and confinement in Vegas that forced Sony to cut off all the promo of the album and future singles, remixes and beyond

Edited April 9, 2018 at 07:44 PM by Javito

[québecflower]

Seriously, this forum sometimes

 

Maybe this topic should be locked until there's actual information again

you can begin to use the ignore fonction, never done that myself , because i,m all for free speech, but i begin to see my limits...

[alexceline]

Like or hate Vegas, I personally find it was a very smart move. She established herself as a legend with this, right while she was still at her peak (or a little bit past this) instead of just waiting to fall and flop like some other of her peers did ( and it took a lot more effort for them to prove who they are all over again while Celine didn't have to do this)

[celinesounds]

Have you ever been in love was part of Chrysler contract.

 

That's why the song was included on OH and was released as a single.

 

Well, she never reinvented herself? Are you talking about Celine Dion

 

Look back

88 New sound, new look.

90 first English album, very kind of MO album.

92 Celine Dion, a new era, she was getting more mature.

94. New hair cute, new album, TCOML, new sound

96 red hair, new album

97 New album, new hair, hiatus of her career

99 state de France, she was the first solo artist doing 2 night in a row

02 comeback, more popy sound

03 modern album, a Vegas show, she was the first not Britney and short blond hair

 

Do you wanna talk more?

 

[Xpresso]

Some people in their 30's have wrinkles on their faces, and some 17 year olds have wrinkles on their brains.

I'd rather have them on my face...

[québecflower]

Some people in their 30's have wrinkles on their faces, and some 17 year olds have wrinkles on their brains.

I'd rather have them on my face...

haha

[gafsa]

Yeah I think Celine do reinvent her self,but the most obvious one in her music is with ANDHC album, eapecially for a casual fans, it's really obvious, at least for the people around me who know celine and heard the album.they said that album is so different, so fresh and young, they like it. But after OH I think she hasn't found a good formula again to reinvent her music.

I, myself don't really like her album after OH, I'm talking her english album btw.

That's why I have a lil hope for this new album if ever released to have a perfect formula if she decided to reinvent her music, if not, i want her to go back to classic celine. All or nothing at all.

[melquilisboa]

<p>

Seriously , I can't see any wrinkles on Céline's face in that 2003 video I posted, other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have

 

So you're just 17... LOL. Just wait and see

 

 

 

Before saying anything, please note that I agree to a great extent with some of the things that you have added now, but I have to say that if all you're taking into consideration is the trash comments and all the garbage that is thrown in Twitter, sorry but there's no point in discussing any further now Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?!

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply back to you when you are 17 and were ONLY 4 in 2002, it's like trying to explain you how cassettes or Mini Discs were when you did not even see them for sale on stores ever

 

You are SO wrong if you think that ANDHC didn't have any impact on young listeners back in 2002 and 2003. If you ask people that were in they 15s and 20s in that year, they DO remember ANDHC, I'm Alive and IDAN as the last songs that Céline had being played on radios everywhere. And IF you're played on the radio today it means you're POPULAR in some way or another (not viceversa!). If you're bringing up Twitter as a source to back up your views, I say go and look on the comments on YouTube for the ANDHC videoclip: they're full of praising by young listeners there, both teenagers that have discovered the song at present and also other fans in their 30s like me who still remember this song as BIG back on the day

 

Céline is not a popular singer anymore today because it's been 15 years since she hasn't had any hit, single or album with success or impact anywhere (talking about her English career here, not the French albums). And it's been 15 years that she hasn't had any nomination for an award in her English career. Her way through any radio charts and nomination awards with an English single is conspicous bu its absence since 2003. That's why young people doesn't talk about Céline Dion today. And the more years pass by, the least young generations will know about her. That's a fact, but that's the direction she herself has wanted her career to go. She's on a legend status (she went too soon into that category in my opinion), not a diva or pop star status anymore (Pop comes from "popular", you know). She's clearly not a popular singer now. Better or worse? I don't know, but she could have stayed more in the "pop status" level before entering the "legend status" imo...

 

And Céline has never reinvented herself, not that she even tried to! She's on another level with that. But I grant you that she should have tried to "reinvent" herself many years ago, because now, maybe it's too late, maybe there's no point in doing that. But I insist that with the ANDHC album she did try many new styles of music that brought her career to another new level and public that she hadn't even reached before. She released two uptempo singles on a row, and they have never done that with any of her albums before. She brought Destiny's Child, the girl band of the moment, to her TV special to sing her song with her. They clearly marketed the ANDHC album to a young and new generation of fans. In that way, she did reinvent herself with that comeback album, without pretending it.

 

Did they f*** up everything with the release of GTSW single and then HYEBIL in 2003? Absolutely. But that wasn't less of a f*** up than her voluntary retirement and confinement in Vegas that forced Sony to cut off all the promo of the album and future singles, remixes and beyond

''other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

''Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?''

 

Twitter is definitely the right source to know about GP's opinion, once they have NO FILTER....It's there on twitter we know what ppl really think, and I recommend celiniacs to be there too, cause sometimes majority of yall seems to be to deluded about Céline's current stats....she's NOT respected at all, and the young generation makes it like she was A JOKE....they say she's not an artist, and lately on music forums they're making the most to let ppl know ''Céline has no artistry, no involvement on her music, that she left no impact on music, etc''

Maybe yall from this forum think she's respected as a humble legend, but actually she isn't....at least not for young folks who are mostly worried about each artist's participation on ''their on music''.....and once folks found out Céline doesn't make her own music, she becomes uninteresting at the same time

 

examples:

1 https://twitter.com/...361448001765376

2 https://atrl.net/for...-celine-impact/

3 https://atrl.net/for...line-or-mariah/

4 https://twitter.com/...010100088008704

5 https://twitter.com/HonestLamb/status/975809351670693888

6 https://twitter.com/prismcarey/status/975504440441671680

Edited April 9, 2018 at 11:50 PM by melquilisboa

[CelineDionForeverNY]

I have to wonder if we can say anything good about Celine... Every day is just a block of negativity and disputing that just turns me off from coming here nowadays. It's honestly exhausting.

[nowanorris]

I have to wonder if we can say anything good about Celine... Every day is just a block of negativity and disputing that just turns me off from coming here nowadays. It's honestly exhausting.

 

For an artist that I admire SO much for her positivity, love, kindness, compassion and genuine respect for life, it is disheartening to see such a lack of it here on the boards.

 

Thankfully I don't think Celine is worried one bit about all of these back and forth topics that have been going on. Celine is Celine and that's the only person she needs to be. She's a grown woman with a VERY good head on her shoulders and I couldn't be more proud to be a fan. Whatever decisions she makes...music, appearance, etc...they are hers to make. I think her career and her CHARACTER are impressive beyond words.

[melquilisboa]

Seriously , I can't see any wrinkles on Céline's face in that 2003 video I posted, other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have

 

So you're just 17... LOL. Just wait and see

 

''other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

''Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?''

 

Twitter is definitely the right source to know about GP's opinion, once they have NO FILTER....It's there on twitter we know what ppl really think, and I recommend celiniacs to be there too, cause sometimes majority of yall seems to be to deluded about Céline's current stats....she's NOT respected at all, and the young generation makes it like she was A JOKE....they say she's not an artist, and lately on music forums they're making the most to let ppl know ''Céline has no artistry, no involvement on her music, that she left no impact on music, etc''

Maybe yall from this forum think she's respected as a humble legend, but actually she isn't....at least not for young folks who are mostly worried about each artist's participation on ''their on music''.....and once folks found out Céline doesn't make her own music, she becomes uninteresting at the same time

 

examples:

1 https://twitter.com/...361448001765376

2 https://atrl.net/for...-celine-impact/

3 https://atrl.net/for...line-or-mariah/

4 https://twitter.com/...010100088008704

5 https://twitter.com/...809351670693888

6 https://twitter.com/...504440441671680

plus: yall probably don't even know revolted folks/stans are on internet about FIY winning that AOTY, there are plenty of articles on sites & forums questioning what did happen on that night, saying there's no explanation for céline winning that once that album is a musical joke, that she didn't have any participation on the creation process, etc

 

it's been 15 years since she hasn't had any hit, single or album with success or impact anywhere

reason: bad management

 

because now, maybe it's too late, maybe there's no point in doing that. But I insist that with the ANDHC album she did try many new styles of music

 

well, not that late, everything is possible when you turn 50....and there's no use with ''trying new sounds'' when you NEVER release them neither change your image....

Céline would have great single sales if she had released the best songs on each album she released.

 

''And Céline has never reinvented herself, not that she even tried to!''

well, she actually did....Madonna, Janet, Mariah and the rest, are known by critics because of taking some risks and exploring their sexuality, Céline wasn't known by that because her garbage of a label/team/management did something with the ''did you give enough love'' video/single...That song/video alone could've changed Céline's image FORLIFE.... it's really an absurd that 97% of us don't know that video existed...

 

That's a fact, but that's the direction she herself has wanted her career to go.

reality: That's the direction Rene/her management wanted for her, it's like her say hadn't no importance at all, and that's what ruined with her career at that point when she could be even BIGGER than she is...

 

Céline could actually sit with legends known for having a plenty of iconic and impactful songs like Madonna, the reason why it didn't happen is because her garbage of a label wanted to make her a ballad singer, and Céline for not having an artistic vision, never let herself be what she really wanted to....

She's known for ''having a discography that sounds the same'' because her marketing was based on snooze ballads, they have never picked the right songs, they should've picked ''did you give enough love'' on her self-titled era and worked on that single as a WW release, the same for ''Make You Happy'' on fiy, Super Love on ANDHC, Reveal/OH, Eyes on Me/TC and LMBTL + SLS....She could've outsold Madonna if she wanted to...

 

and something yall NEVER GET from me, is...if I talk about ''reinvention'' it's because I'M SURE Céline wants it....

She's just afraid about the reception, that's why she always tried this in a mediocre way, one of the reasons why critics HATE her, she gives them the impression that she's trying too hard, when she just should give herself FULLY on a record, and not mixing up everything....We're sick of ballads....That's the reason why Eminem didn't accept a collab, for him she has that ''70 years old woman image she never realized she delivers''.....

I wish yall could stop with the ''she needs to stay true to herself'' like she was that limited woman everyone thinks she is....because at the end of the day CÉLINE HERSELF been TRYING to pass for some steps, now maybe it's time for her to give 100% of herself for something different and finally have an acclaimed album on her 30+ years old career

 

moral of the story: it's time for Céline to RULE her own career, to be involved on her OWN music, to develope/use her artistic vision, and have her own say about her career and about how things should go...

[DestinMg5]

Personally I don’t care about what people think I love Celine and her music for what she is period.

[CelinesDIVO5]

<p>

''other than the proper and usual exp<b></b>ression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

''Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?''

 

Twitter is definitely the right source to know about GP's opinion, once they have NO FILTER....It's there on twitter we know what ppl really think, and I recommend celiniacs to be there too, cause sometimes majority of yall seems to be to deluded about Céline's current stats....she's NOT respected at all, and the young generation makes it like she was A JOKE....they say she's not an artist, and lately on music forums they're making the most to let ppl know ''Céline has no artistry, no involvement on her music, that she left no impact on music, etc''

Maybe yall from this forum think she's respected as a humble legend, but actually she isn't....at least not for young folks who are mostly worried about each artist's participation on ''their on music''.....and once folks found out Céline doesn't make her own music, she becomes uninteresting at the same time

 

examples:

1 https://twitter.com/...361448001765376

2 https://atrl.net/for...-celine-impact/

3 https://atrl.net/for...line-or-mariah/

4 https://twitter.com/...010100088008704

5 https://twitter.com/HonestLamb/status/975809351670693888

6 https://twitter.com/prismcarey/status/975504440441671680

 

 

Most of those tweets are from hardcore "Lambs." Hardly something you can consider reputable sources. #NEXT

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

''other than the proper and usual exp<b></b>ression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

''Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?''

 

Twitter is definitely the right source to know about GP's opinion, once they have NO FILTER....It's there on twitter we know what ppl really think, and I recommend celiniacs to be there too, cause sometimes majority of yall seems to be to deluded about Céline's current stats....she's NOT respected at all, and the young generation makes it like she was A JOKE....they say she's not an artist, and lately on music forums they're making the most to let ppl know ''Céline has no artistry, no involvement on her music, that she left no impact on music, etc''

Maybe yall from this forum think she's respected as a humble legend, but actually she isn't....at least not for young folks who are mostly worried about each artist's participation on ''their on music''.....and once folks found out Céline doesn't make her own music, she becomes uninteresting at the same time

 

examples:

1 https://twitter.com/...361448001765376

2 https://atrl.net/for...-celine-impact/

3 https://atrl.net/for...line-or-mariah/

4 https://twitter.com/...010100088008704

5 https://twitter.com/...809351670693888

6 https://twitter.com/...504440441671680

plus: yall probably don't even know revolted folks/stans are on internet about FIY winning that AOTY, there are plenty of articles on sites & forums questioning what did happen on that night, saying there's no explanation for céline winning that once that album is a musical joke, that she didn't have any participation on the creation process, etc

 

it's been 15 years since she hasn't had any hit, single or album with success or impact anywhere

reason: bad management

 

because now, maybe it's too late, maybe there's no point in doing that. But I insist that with the ANDHC album she did try many new styles of music

 

well, not that late, everything is possible when you turn 50....and there's no use with ''trying new sounds'' when you NEVER release them neither change your image....

Céline would have great single sales if she had released the best songs on each album she released.

 

''And Céline has never reinvented herself, not that she even tried to!''

well, she actually did....Madonna, Janet, Mariah and the rest, are known by critics because of taking some risks and exploring their sexuality, Céline wasn't known by that because her garbage of a label/team/management did something with the ''did you give enough love'' video/single...That song/video alone could've changed Céline's image FORLIFE.... it's really an absurd that 97% of us don't know that video existed...

 

That's a fact, but that's the direction she herself has wanted her career to go.

reality: That's the direction Rene/her management wanted for her, it's like her say hadn't no importance at all, and that's what ruined with her career at that point when she could be even BIGGER than she is...

 

Céline could actually sit with legends known for having a plenty of iconic and impactful songs like Madonna, the reason why it didn't happen is because her garbage of a label wanted to make her a ballad singer, and Céline for not having an artistic vision, never let herself be what she really wanted to....

She's known for ''having a discography that sounds the same'' because her marketing was based on snooze ballads, they have never picked the right songs, they should've picked ''did you give enough love'' on her self-titled era and worked on that single as a WW release, the same for ''Make You Happy'' on fiy, Super Love on ANDHC, Reveal/OH, Eyes on Me/TC and LMBTL + SLS....She could've outsold Madonna if she wanted to...

 

and something yall NEVER GET from me, is...if I talk about ''reinvention'' it's because I'M SURE Céline wants it....

She's just afraid about the reception, that's why she always tried this in a mediocre way, one of the reasons why critics HATE her, she gives them the impression that she's trying too hard, when she just should give herself FULLY on a record, and not mixing up everything....We're sick of ballads....That's the reason why Eminem didn't accept a collab, for him she has that ''70 years old woman image she never realized she delivers''.....

I wish yall could stop with the ''she needs to stay true to herself'' like she was that limited woman everyone thinks she is....because at the end of the day CÉLINE HERSELF been TRYING to pass for some steps, now maybe it's time for her to give 100% of herself for something different and finally have an acclaimed album on her 30+ years old career

 

moral of the story: it's time for Céline to RULE her own career, to be involved on her OWN music, to develope/use her artistic vision, and have her own say about her career and about how things should go...

 

There was never actual talk of a collaboration with Eminem, so there was no offer for him to actually decline. Where do you get this stuff?

[isurrender]

Where is the ignore button please?

[Javito]

Yeah I think Celine do reinvent her self,but the most obvious one in her music is with ANDHC album, eapecially for a casual fans, it's really obvious, at least for the people around me who know celine and heard the album.they said that album is so different, so fresh and young, they like it. But after OH I think she hasn't found a good formula again to reinvent her music.

I, myself don't really like her album after OH, I'm talking her english album btw.

That's why I have a lil hope for this new album if ever released to have a perfect formula if she decided to reinvent her music, if not, i want her to go back to classic celine. All or nothing at all.

 

THANK YOU (again)!

 

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''other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

"The old woman in the OH video"??? That video was made only months after the GTSW videoclip: do you think she's an old woman too in that video??? Jesus, I don't even know what you're talking about :wtf:

 

''other than the proper and usual expression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

1. I'm not your baby

2. I have watched the HYEBIL videoclip dozens of times, since it's one of my favourites (not only for the song but also for the beautiful concept of the desert and the use of water), and lately I have watched it in a great 60 inch TV screen that has a function that improves DVD quality. And I see NO TRACE of any signs of age and stupid wrinkles that you mention, other than the usual for her ages, like I said!

 

 

''Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?''

 

Twitter is definitely the right source to know about GP's opinion, once they have NO FILTER....It's there on twitter we know what ppl really think, and I recommend celiniacs to be there too, cause sometimes majority of yall seems to be to deluded about Céline's current stats....she's NOT respected at all, and the young generation makes it like she was A JOKE....they say she's not an artist, and lately on music forums they're making the most to let ppl know ''Céline has no artistry, no involvement on her music, that she left no impact on music, etc''

Maybe yall from this forum think she's respected as a humble legend, but actually she isn't....at least not for young folks who are mostly worried about each artist's participation on ''their on music''.....and once folks found out Céline doesn't make her own music, she becomes uninteresting at the same time

 

it's been 15 years since she hasn't had any hit, single or album with success or impact anywhere

reason: bad management

 

because now, maybe it's too late, maybe there's no point in doing that. But I insist that with the ANDHC album she did try many new styles of music

 

well, not that late, everything is possible when you turn 50....and there's no use with ''trying new sounds'' when you NEVER release them neither change your image....

Céline would have great single sales if she had released the best songs on each album she released.

 

''And Céline has never reinvented herself, not that she even tried to!''

well, she actually did....Madonna, Janet, Mariah and the rest, are known by critics because of taking some risks and exploring their sexuality, Céline wasn't known by that because her garbage of a label/team/management did something with the ''did you give enough love'' video/single...That song/video alone could've changed Céline's image FORLIFE.... it's really an absurd that 97% of us don't know that video existed...

 

That's a fact, but that's the direction she herself has wanted her career to go.

reality: That's the direction Rene/her management wanted for her, it's like her say hadn't no importance at all, and that's what ruined with her career at that point when she could be even BIGGER than she is...

 

Céline could actually sit with legends known for having a plenty of iconic and impactful songs like Madonna, the reason why it didn't happen is because her garbage of a label wanted to make her a ballad singer, and Céline for not having an artistic vision, never let herself be what she really wanted to....

She's known for ''having a discography that sounds the same'' because her marketing was based on snooze ballads, they have never picked the right songs, they should've picked ''did you give enough love'' on her self-titled era and worked on that single as a WW release, the same for ''Make You Happy'' on fiy, Super Love on ANDHC, Reveal/OH, Eyes on Me/TC and LMBTL + SLS....She could've outsold Madonna if she wanted to...

 

and something yall NEVER GET from me, is...if I talk about ''reinvention'' it's because I'M SURE Céline wants it....

She's just afraid about the reception, that's why she always tried this in a mediocre way, one of the reasons why critics HATE her, she gives them the impression that she's trying too hard, when she just should give herself FULLY on a record, and not mixing up everything....We're sick of ballads....That's the reason why Eminem didn't accept a collab, for him she has that ''70 years old woman image she never realized she delivers''.....

I wish yall could stop with the ''she needs to stay true to herself'' like she was that limited woman everyone thinks she is....because at the end of the day CÉLINE HERSELF been TRYING to pass for some steps, now maybe it's time for her to give 100% of herself for something different and finally have an acclaimed album on her 30+ years old career

 

moral of the story: it's time for Céline to RULE her own career, to be involved on her OWN music, to develope/use her artistic vision, and have her own say about her career and about how things should go...

 

We agree on that! Actually I've been saying these same things for more than a decade since she's in Vegas. Totally agree with the lack of direction on her albums, the lack of artistry, the bad singles choices and the wasted chances that they missed releasing stupid covers/ballads when they had GREAT radio friendly songs and uptempo tracks that were begging to be sent to radios... But fans in and outside this forum have been complaining about this since 2003!

 

The industry and her fellow singers have never taken her seriously because she offered one image on the songs she recorded on her albums, and then she projected another different when the promotion began, abandoning the great uptempo songs included in the album that were pleading to be performed in front of the public, in favour (once again) of the same old, same ballad stuff. With the expection of ANDHC, with which for two consecutive singles, she went all the way with the fresh sound and uptempo singles (for the first time in her career). But that was the only exception in her career (and look how it greatly worked). And the breath of fresh air continued with IDAN in 2003, and people was raving about her new image of a fresh singer with the best vocals in the world, that left aside her profile of "ballad singer" for a while and focused on another kind of thing, trying a dance song now (despite being again a cover and NOT an original song -the industry neither has forgiven her lack of originality here and everywhere in her recordings). People listened and liked her. But it all stopped soon after she started Vegas, that was a coitus interruptus, a slap in the face for Sony but what's worst, it was a slap in her own face towards her own music just released, and a slam to the door she had just opened in 2002 to reach new generations of fans. Time has told today that I'm right when saying this. And then again, the worst single decision, HYEBIL, and again, another album that is forgotten after the third single, with no more songs performed from it (despite having her own show with 5 nights per week and being able to sing new songs from her discography every day, that was SO STUPID ).

 

So that's why she hasn't got any more nominations in the industry too. She takes one step forth and three backwards. She confused the industry when she apparently wants to offer something new, fresh and young, and then she performs and promotes the same old image of a ballad singer, addressed to a fanbase in her 50s. That was a big fail I know.

 

Bad management? Who's to blame? René Angelil? Sony Music executives? Was there a black sheep inside the deciding team @ Sony Music that was trying to put her aside intentionally, in favour of other younger artists that needed exposure then (Shakira, Beyoncé etc)? We cannot rule out any possibility (and I've hinted at this last one several times here). Because no other singer in her sanity would have sent to radios such songs when having clearly potential radio hits like Sorry For Love, Right In Front Of You, WTWOLYR, Reveal, Faith, Naked, Shadow Of Love, Can't Fight The Feelin'... and the list goes on (you all know which songs are these!). That was like commiting suicide and directly asking radios not to be played anymore anywhere.

 

But that is a lost cause. Only her Sony Music team and René and Céline know why they sent those stupid singles to radios, as if they wanted to kill her career in radios and make her public forget about her name, because obviously she wouldn't have a chance to be played in radios with songs like GTSW or HYEBIL or My Love. Only them know! They blundered everything with those decisiones, but now, we can only enjoy the songs we like on her albums and dream as if they were once hits played on radios

Edited April 10, 2018 at 06:44 AM by Javito

[manu23]

@melquilisboa and despite it all here you are, devoting hours of your time writing long posts about Celine Dion on a Celine Dion forum...

 

Rene was clever enough to know Celine fan base. Sure there are fans that would like to see Celine embarrassing herself in videos like Touch My Body or singing Bi*** I'm Céline but the majority likes Celine the way she is and for the songs she sings. Where are all those cool singers that try so hard to "reinvent" themselves now? They are a joke for people in their 20s that will never listen to them no matter how hard they try (they have new younger idols to love) and even a bigger joke for a more mature audience. They are in the middle of nowhere and that's why Celine has outsold them with every album in this decade, that's why she can charge $300 while Mariah struggles to sell out at $100. Celine's current status just proves how well her career has been handle, sure there are things that could have been done better but nobody is perfect all the time. And talking about reinvention, Celine changed music entertainment industry forever with A New Day. Britney, Gaga, Jennifer Lopez just to name a few have followed her and probably soon Adele and Beyonce.

 

Btw, FIY won album of the year because it was the most successful album of the year, Grammy reward success ALWAYS, not quality or artistry.

Edited April 10, 2018 at 06:45 AM by manu23

[Javito]

Oh dear... the Vegas wonders again... :rolleyes:

 

Céline hasn't taught anything to those singers other than you can sing on a based place for some weeks or months, while you can STILL be doing your regular activities and promotion as a singer and above all, still be played on radios

 

Céline hansn't taught anything to any singer other than you can do a thousand shows at one same place (what for? What's the prize?), while exhausting yourself and your voice, and slowly killing your career and making people forget about you, little by little, step by step

 

And Céline has not stayed for months or a couple of years there like the rest of her fellows, she's been more than TEN years already. If only, she taught that you can sing in one place while also promoting, touring, shooting videoclips and recording collaborations all around the world, and at the same time. Without neglecting your international career and public. But Céline focused on performing more than the rest, and these singers just won't do that. They haven't neglected their careers for the performing activity, as that's Céline main focus since years. And these singers also had children while doing this (at least all except Lady Gaga). Céline isolated herself for 5 years at the top of her thing and cut off from being everywhere to being only in one place, and without any echo on the public outside the US for 5 years (the only album released while her first residency was an album of lullabies for babies... great move ). Theres's people that thought she had disappeared then; today, some think she's been retired for years! . And that continues today, but for the summer tours she has been doing for 2 years now (thank God). She's more known in the recent years for making the news as a fashion addict than as a singer, that says it all She hasn' had a hit for 15 years nor an award nomination for her English career, but Jennifer Lopez has...

 

Sorry but she hasn't taught any lesson to these singers, and this singers haven't retired (and they won't) at the peak of their careers, like Céline did for supposedly personal and family reasons. Time has told that raising a family and having a career are both compatible things, but for Céline apparently there was only one option. I don't judge her, but she killed her international career, from being a pop star to a legend that only lives on the success she paved in the 90s now. It's harsh to say, but it's the truth.

 

Jennifer Lopez went to Vegas but she has never abandoned the public she has always had, she was heavily played on radios before singing in Vegas, and she IS played heavily on radios today, more than before. She is performing in Vegas BUT at the same time she keeps an active career outside Vegas and promotes and tours and everything in between (and she had little children too ). Céline voluntarily retired at the best of her game and cut off her international career for the sake of performing in just one place.

 

They are both very different cases and can't be compared sorry.

 

And Britney Spears and Lady Gaga, it's more of the same: they tried Vegas yes, but without stopping what they were doing and without jeopardising their careers outside that performing activity.

 

Nor Jennifer Lopez

Britney Spears

Christina Aguilera

or anyone at their levels of popularity would allow to let 5 years pass without releasing new music or at least a new single, like Céline has done... for two times already!!!

 

2008-2013: no new English music at all.

2013-2018: again, the absolute silence without new music (well, there was Recovering and TSMGO, but can we even consider that as any intentional release of a single? That was a joke guys).

 

And still... we have an album that it's taking 5+ years in the making...

 

Can they do any worse with it, since 2008??? :confused1:

Edited April 10, 2018 at 07:28 AM by Javito

[Ronny83]

David Foster said to Journal de Montreal that he's been working with Céline "not so long ago":

 

« J’ai retravaillé avec elle il n’y a pas si longtemps, poursuit le faiseur de hits. Elle s’est installée au micro et m’a demandé ce que je voulais qu’elle fasse, avec toute la classe, la générosité et l’élégance qu’on lui connaît. Elle m’a dit : “Je peux la reprendre autant de fois que tu veux.” J’ai trouvé cela incroyable. La plupart des gens qui atteignent la moitié du succès qu’elle a atteint sont comme : “OK. Faut se dépêcher. Je dois aller à tel ou tel meeting.” Pas Céline. Elle continue d’être “dédiée” à 100 %. »

 

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2018/04/09/celine-continue-detre-dediee-a-100

[gafsa]

 

''other than the proper and usual exp<b></b>ression wrinkles that a girl in her 30s can have''

 

baby, not even you believe on that, also have you ever watched the HYEBIL video? it's definitely not common for a woman on her 30s having too many wrinkles like that, she was looking like a nearly 60 years old woman....with a long hair she'd rejuvenate at least 10 years.... Ppl couldn't associate that ''old woman'' on the OH video with an actual pop diva, it's like she was ''trying to hard''....

Well, do you remember of her bbmas performance in 2016 right? I heard ppl saying she had botox, and as a fan I KNEW she hadn't....the gag???? That hairstyle is the reason why ppl didn't focus too much on her face.... In the other hand, at the grammys 2017 she let her forehead visible, and ppl started to say again about ''how old she looked and how bad she aged''....

And i'm sick of ppl saying they didn't know Céline is only ''her age'' at every birthday date, because for them ''she looks 30 years older than her actual age''....

 

''Twitter is under no circumstances any valid source to discuss here! How can you bring comments of random people there as a source of what?''

 

Twitter is definitely the right source to know about GP's opinion, once they have NO FILTER....It's there on twitter we know what ppl really think, and I recommend celiniacs to be there too, cause sometimes majority of yall seems to be to deluded about Céline's current stats....she's NOT respected at all, and the young generation makes it like she was A JOKE....they say she's not an artist, and lately on music forums they're making the most to let ppl know ''Céline has no artistry, no involvement on her music, that she left no impact on music, etc''

Maybe yall from this forum think she's respected as a humble legend, but actually she isn't....at least not for young folks who are mostly worried about each artist's participation on ''their on music''.....and once folks found out Céline doesn't make her own music, she becomes uninteresting at the same time

 

examples:

1 https://twitter.com/...361448001765376

2 https://atrl.net/for...-celine-impact/

3 https://atrl.net/for...line-or-mariah/

4 https://twitter.com/...010100088008704

5 https://twitter.com/...809351670693888

6 https://twitter.com/...504440441671680

plus: yall probably don't even know revolted folks/stans are on internet about FIY winning that AOTY, there are plenty of articles on sites & forums questioning what did happen on that night, saying there's no explanation for céline winning that once that album is a musical joke, that she didn't have any participation on the creation process, etc

 

it's been 15 years since she hasn't had any hit, single or album with success or impact anywhere

reason: bad management

 

because now, maybe it's too late, maybe there's no point in doing that. But I insist that with the ANDHC album she did try many new styles of music

 

well, not that late, everything is possible when you turn 50....and there's no use with ''trying new sounds'' when you NEVER release them neither change your image....

Céline would have great single sales if she had released the best songs on each album she released.

 

''And Céline has never reinvented herself, not that she even tried to!''

well, she actually did....Madonna, Janet, Mariah and the rest, are known by critics because of taking some risks and exploring their sexuality, Céline wasn't known by that because her garbage of a label/team/management did something with the ''did you give enough love'' video/single...That song/video alone could've changed Céline's image FORLIFE.... it's really an absurd that 97% of us don't know that video existed...

 

That's a fact, but that's the direction she herself has wanted her career to go.

reality: That's the direction Rene/her management wanted for her, it's like her say hadn't no importance at all, and that's what ruined with her career at that point when she could be even BIGGER than she is...

 

Céline could actually sit with legends known for having a plenty of iconic and impactful songs like Madonna, the reason why it didn't happen is because her garbage of a label wanted to make her a ballad singer, and Céline for not having an artistic vision, never let herself be what she really wanted to....

She's known for ''having a discography that sounds the same'' because her marketing was based on snooze ballads, they have never picked the right songs, they should've picked ''did you give enough love'' on her self-titled era and worked on that single as a WW release, the same for ''Make You Happy'' on fiy, Super Love on ANDHC, Reveal/OH, Eyes on Me/TC and LMBTL + SLS....She could've outsold Madonna if she wanted to...

 

and something yall NEVER GET from me, is...if I talk about ''reinvention'' it's because I'M SURE Céline wants it....

She's just afraid about the reception, that's why she always tried this in a mediocre way, one of the reasons why critics HATE her, she gives them the impression that she's trying too hard, when she just should give herself FULLY on a record, and not mixing up everything....We're sick of ballads....That's the reason why Eminem didn't accept a collab, for him she has that ''70 years old woman image she never realized she delivers''.....

I wish yall could stop with the ''she needs to stay true to herself'' like she was that limited woman everyone thinks she is....because at the end of the day CÉLINE HERSELF been TRYING to pass for some steps, now maybe it's time for her to give 100% of herself for something different and finally have an acclaimed album on her 30+ years old career

 

moral of the story: it's time for Céline to RULE her own career, to be involved on her OWN music, to develope/use her artistic vision, and have her own say about her career and about how things should go...

 

try to follow another twitter account, not lamby.

[pepillo90]

Can't believe we're actually talking about the album in this topic. Thanks for the info

[Javito]

And before some of you throw me to the dogs for what I said (because I see you coming ), please note that I said "she hasn't taught anything to those singers", because I'm speaking purely about what Vegas has provided to her music career and compared with her fellows, and musically speaking, as I always do, not any other aspect here. I do reckon and know all the work she has created while stablishing there since 2003, and the revitalisation she brought to the economy of Vegas because of her presence, and I applaud her for that. She has all the credit and respect for that

 

However, for doing 1,200 shows there, and what they have added to her music career, that's another different story.

Edited April 10, 2018 at 08:09 AM by Javito

[manu23]

Albums 2010 onwards:

 

Celine Dion (starts career 1981)

2012 Sans Attendre - 1.5M

2013 LMBTL - 1.6M

2016 Encore un soir - 1.3M

 

Britney Spears (starts career 1999)

2011 Femme Fatale - 1.6M

2013 Britney Jean - 600K

2016 Glory - 400K

 

Chirstina Aguilera (starts career 1999)

2010 Bionic - 850K

2012 Lotus - 550K

 

Jennifer Lopez (starts music career 1999)

2011 Love? - 1.3M

2014 - AKA - 140K

 

Lady Gaga (starts career 2008)

2011 - Born this Way - 6M

2013 - Artpop - 2.6M

2016 - Joane - 1M

 

Top 10 highest-paid women in music in 2017:

 

Beyonce - $105 million

Adele - $69 million

Taylor Swift - $44 million

Celine Dion - $42 million

Jennifer Lopez - $38 million

Dolly Parton - $37 million

Rihanna - $36 million

Britney Spears - $34 million

Katy Perry - $33 million

Barbra Streisand - $30 million

 

I they haven't learned anything from Celine Dion they better start doing it soon.

 

Fin de la cita.

[Javito]

Or Céline could learn something about those singers too...

 

I didn't brought up sales at any moment, and it's not all about sales in music, we do know countless of artists that are played on radios today and their music is crap, and the even the people who listen them openly admit that they listen to crap, including the kind of singles that JLo usually does (sauf exceptions from time to time) and their lyrics. And the younger you are and the more crap and obscene the lyrics are, the more chances you have to be played on radios. But does how it is today.

 

But it wasn't like that in 2002/2003, when Céline had the chance to shine on radios with many, many potential singles (and she actually did with 3 of them). Céline doesn't have to record a dirty song with Pitbull in order to be played again on radios, however, having the good songs and material to be sent to radios when she had the chance, she has constantly ignored those songs time and again, not also without giving them the chance to be a single but also denying any possibility of them to shine once at one of her thousand shows she has done since 2003. Let's remind here that it took her 14 years to retrieve one unique song from the One Heart album and take it to the stage (Love Is All We Need the past tour). That's ridiculous. 14 years later guys.

 

It's not about the sales, it's about the artistry, and how you defend your work. You don't release a new album to ignore most of its contents right after, like Céline has done. You don't release a new album to perform mostly and only the lead first single, and forget about the rest... or what's worst, ignore the songs that are crying out loud to be singles and make everyone stand up and dance when performed live...

 

It's not about the sales, it's not about the quantity (it doesn't really matter if she has done 10, 100 or 1,000 shows in Vegas after all) ... it's about the quality

Edited April 10, 2018 at 08:34 AM by Javito

[alexceline]

I get that Celine is gone for the last 4 months and we have no news and it's getting boring but how about waiting for her to release the album first.. And if you don't like the album and the marketing strategy they used, then come and complain here.We would then avoid these pointless rants that have filled this whole forum...

[celinesounds]

I believe Celine has the most loyal fan base over the world, special in Europe

 

I had no idea about the respect for her till i moved to France.

 

Here in French Market is RESPECT

 

her albums still sales over 1M

 

 

she still has the best voice over the world,

 

if we look to Leann Rimes and Toni Braxton....still great voices today, can we compare them to Celine in terms of solid career?

not counting that Leann has 36, not 50.... it's sad...

Celine was very lucky having a man like René on her side, who help her built a career and not a hit

 

and those people who born in 2000, they know nothing about the 90's where everything about new music were magical....

Edited April 10, 2018 at 09:05 AM by celinesounds