Second single: "Incredible" - Duet with Ne-Yo

[Frozen_Phoenix]

...and this comes from a Cher's fan : a singer whose latest album did not even manage to sell 700.000 copies worldwide.

 

 

Damn right!!!

 

Let's wait and see how many albums Celine will sell when she's 67...

Cher had a video clip, Cher was number 1 in the dance charts.

Actually it's also not about comparing sales numbers. Her album beats Celine's album by far when it comes to quality and versatility.

And I really do not care what you think about Cher's album. It's a Celine forum, I do not expect to find much appreciation here for Cher.

Sadly most Celine fans can not accept any other singer, doesn't matter whether it's Cher, Whitney, Madonna or Lara Fabian. And all of them are fantastic in their own way.

Oh and please do not forget who is touring the US right now while Celine is stuck on her stupid Vegas stage.

 

Back to the topic, which colour do you wear to "Incredible"'s funeral? Pink?

Edited April 26, 2014 at 10:31 PM by Frozen_Phoenix

[manu23]

When Celine is 67 there won't be albums anymore probably..

 

Between Nov 2012 and today Celine has sold 3M new albums, anybody saying she is flopping doesn't have a clue in the world he/she is living today, a world where Britney Spears' new albums sell 500K worldwide and artists at their peaks sell 200-300k more than artists with more than 25 years in the business...

 

What is amazing is how a woman that hasn't been played on radios in the last decade can still sell more albums than the 99% of singers in the world : )

Edited April 26, 2014 at 11:27 PM by manu23

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

...and this comes from a Cher's fan : a singer whose latest album did not even manage to sell 700.000 copies worldwide.

 

 

Damn right!!!

 

Watch it...I'm a Cher fan :-P and for a 70 year old woman thats been in the game or close to 50 years, and in today's sales climate, 700,000 is not a bad number

Edited April 26, 2014 at 11:32 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[GoldenLeaf]

Let's wait and see how many albums Celine will sell when she's 67...

Cher had a video clip, Cher was number 1 in the dance charts.

Actually it's also not about comparing sales numbers. Her album beats Celine's album by far when it comes to quality and versatility.

And I really do not care what you think about Cher's album. It's a Celine forum, I do not expect to find much appreciation here for Cher.

Sadly most Celine fans can not accept any other singer, doesn't matter whether it's Cher, Whitney, Madonna or Lara Fabian. And all of them are fantastic in their own way.

Oh and please do not forget who is touring the US right now while Celine is stuck on her stupid Vegas stage.

 

Back to the topic, which colour do you wear to "Incredible"'s funeral? Pink?

Your point?

 

When Celine is 67 there won't be albums anymore probably..

 

Between Nov 2012 and today Celine has sold 3M new albums, anybody saying she is flopping doesn't have a clue in the world he/she is living today, a world where Britney Spears' new albums sell 500K worldwide and artists at their peaks sell 200-300k more than artists with more than 25 years in the business...

 

What is amazing is how a woman that hasn't been played on radios in the last decade can still sell more albums than the 99% of singers in the world : )

Indeed! Obviously Frozen_Phoenix and some other deluded and stubborn people here on this forum can't deal with reality and the mess the music industry is.

 

Watch it...I'm a Cher fan :-P and for a 70 year old woman thats been in the game or close to 50 years, and in today's sales climate, 700,000 is not a bad number

Cher's album did not sell 700.000 copies... Her album roughly sold 500.000 copies worldwide, that's why I said her album did not even manage to sell 700.000 copies.

Edited April 27, 2014 at 12:57 AM by GoldenLeaf

[zuv]

67 years old and her mother is still alive releasing album and host guessting on tv shows like Ru paul...

 

CRAAAAAZY!!!!

 

Good genes, good genes

 

[gafsa]

Actually even though i really like Cher's album but i never expected she will sell more, it's because she's so damn old, and people sometime so cruel with anything old relate no matter how good it is. And how it did'n got attention here like Celine's album it makes me sad because i really love both album.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Cher's album sold poorly due to a poor lead single, a cheap music video and a tracklist filled with songs relying too heavily on gimmicks of albums past. There are a few gems ("Sirens," for example), but overall, the album is a poor representation of who Cher, the artist truly is. Pandering gay anthem songs such as "Pride" and "Take It Like A Man" didn't help either. Maybe if she had created a more diverse and innovative album, she would have reached the one million mark.

 

By the way, I'm a Cher fan, too.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Cher's album sold poorly due to a poor lead single, a cheap music video and a tracklist filled with songs relying too heavily on gimmicks of albums past. There are a few gems ("Sirens," for example), but overall, the album is a poor representation of who Cher, the artist truly is. Pandering gay anthem songs such as "Pride" and "Take It Like A Man" didn't help either. Maybe if she had created a more diverse and innovative album, she would have reached the one million mark.

 

By the way, I'm a Cher fan, too.

 

I actually think Cher's album is rather cohesive and none of the songs sound out of place...including "Woman's World" which I hate, but it still fits. The album as a whole flows very nicely between dance, pop and ballads.

[LukeD]

When Celine is 67 there won't be albums anymore probably..

 

Between Nov 2012 and today Celine has sold 3M new albums, anybody saying she is flopping doesn't have a clue in the world he/she is living today, a world where Britney Spears' new albums sell 500K worldwide and artists at their peaks sell 200-300k more than artists with more than 25 years in the business...

 

What is amazing is how a woman that hasn't been played on radios in the last decade can still sell more albums than the 99% of singers in the world : )

*bows down* Edited April 27, 2014 at 04:18 AM by LukeD

[LukeD]

Let's wait and see how many albums Celine will sell when she's 67...

Cher had a video clip, Cher was number 1 in the dance charts.

Actually it's also not about comparing sales numbers. Her album beats Celine's album by far when it comes to quality and versatility.

And I really do not care what you think about Cher's album. It's a Celine forum, I do not expect to find much appreciation here for Cher.

Sadly most Celine fans can not accept any other singer, doesn't matter whether it's Cher, Whitney, Madonna or Lara Fabian. And all of them are fantastic in their own way.

Oh and please do not forget who is touring the US right now while Celine is stuck on her stupid Vegas stage.

 

Back to the topic, which colour do you wear to "Incredible"'s funeral? Pink?

How do you do this? You post a full paragraph and all I get to see in my screen is 'blah blah blah'... Hmm.

[Frozen_Phoenix]

How do you do this? You post a full paragraph and all I get to see in my screen is 'blah blah blah'... Hmm.

 

Oh there is an easy explanation for this, it's called illiteracy. Yes, that's a word, maybe you should look it up ^^

 

About the discussion:

 

I really do not need sales numbers in order to compare two albums according to my personal taste.

You don't need to agree with my personal taste.

But all those "Don't say anything against Celine or I will scratch you to death or beat you with my handbag to death" sayers should finally grow up.

You can't handle each discussion like you probably do in a club every Saturday ^^

 

Like I said months ago, LMBTL had real hit potential, Incredible had some hit potential.

Both are dead and no one on this planet can really believe that this is not partly due to the lack of a good video or a good remix done by somebody like David Guetta.

Edited April 27, 2014 at 07:02 AM by Frozen_Phoenix

[LukeD]

Oh there is an easy explanation for this, it's called illiteracy. Yes, that's a word, maybe you should look it up ^^

 

I will look it up on my way to get my Law School degree this Wednesday... ;-)

[LukeD]

The only reason why Celine has no hit singles is the lack of airplay. Making and releasing a video would do nothing. Just look at Mariah's latest major single release. She promoted it, released a video, radios ignored her, she bombed. That simple.

[Frozen_Phoenix]

I will look it up on my way to get my Law School degree this Wednesday... ;-)

 

Oh my God, I am soooo impressed. Wait, I have to work on that, it did not really sound impressed.

[CelinesDIVO5]

LMBTL had hit potential as a song, with Celine's name on it, not so much. People need to accept that Celine is not a popular mainstream top 40 artist anymore. Celine's songs are not ignored because the songs are bad, they're ignored because they're sung by Celine Dion. Some people really need to get that through their stubborn thick skulls. I really don't understand why people find chart positions and sales figures so damned important. Just be a fan and enjoy what we get, which is great music that we are allowed the pleasure of listening to. She still cares enough and enjoys to put out new music. Just take it for what it is. Celine is 32 years into her career. Her hey day has past. Get over it already.

[dj_a_rock]

LMBTL had hit potential as a song, with Celine's name on it, not so much. People need to accept that Celine is not a popular mainstream top 40 artist anymore. Celine's songs are not ignored because the songs are bad, they're ignored because they're sung by Celine Dion. Some people really need to get that through their stubborn thick skulls. I really don't understand why people find chart positions and sales figures so damned important. Just be a fan and enjoy what we get, which is great music that we are allowed the pleasure of listening to. She still cares enough and enjoys to put out new music. Just take it for what it is. Celine is 32 years into her career. Her hey day has past. Get over it already.

 

How come her new album is did well in the UK, Canada and France? Her songs are being played in Radio 2 in the UK in medium rotation. Celine was never a single seller and we all know that but Sony UK knows what they are doing and managed to released 3 singles LMBTL/Breakaway/WAAF there which turned into an album sales. She even sold almost twice of Lady Gaga's Artpop.In the US, the second single which is Incredible is nowhere to be found. I still believe that the album has a potential if she sing a ballad. I must admit that I want her to sing modern songs but its not working for her. If she performed Overjoyed, At Seventeen, Breakaway and/or Always Be Your Girl from her TV guestings, I think the sales would be totally different. Also, the schedule of her promo in the US sucks.

Edited April 27, 2014 at 10:24 AM by dj_a_rock

[MrTim212]

LMBTL had hit potential as a song, with Celine's name on it, not so much. People need to accept that Celine is not a popular mainstream top 40 artist anymore. Celine's songs are not ignored because the songs are bad, they're ignored because they're sung by Celine Dion. Some people really need to get that through their stubborn thick skulls. I really don't understand why people find chart positions and sales figures so damned important. Just be a fan and enjoy what we get, which is great music that we are allowed the pleasure of listening to. She still cares enough and enjoys to put out new music. Just take it for what it is. Celine is 32 years into her career. Her hey day has past. Get over it already.

 

Let's not be rude and say people who disagree with you have "stubborn thick skulls."

 

"Incredible" could've done at least moderately well. Just "The Voice" appearance alone got her to #32 on the US iTunes chart and to #13 on the iTunes pop charts. It started to drop off because there was no additional promo and Sony didn't push the song at radio in the US. I've said it before, but when the CHAIRMAN OF YOUR LABEL makes a statement to Billboard magazine before the album is released that "we're not going to get her on top 40 radio" it just shows that they have given up on her and regardless of the quality, style, or EVEN PUBLIC REACTION, they're not going to even try. Artists make resurgences all the time, however it's the LABEL holding her back at this point.

[mike_z]

How come her new album is did well in the UK, Canada and France? Her songs are being played in Radio 2 in the UK in medium rotation. Celine was never a single seller and we all know that but Sony UK knows what they are doing and managed to released 3 singles LMBTL/Breakaway/WAAF there which turned into an album sales. She even sold almost twice of Lady Gaga's Artpop.In the US, the second single which is Incredible is nowhere to be found. I still believe that the album has a potential if she sing a ballad. I must admit that I want her to sing modern songs but its not working for her. If she performed Overjoyed, At Seventeen, Breakaway and/or Always Be Your Girl from her TV guestings, I think the sales would be totally different. Also, the schedule of her promo in the US sucks.

 

Yeah but don't forget the single that actually did amazing in the UK was LMBTL... a very modern song!

[LukeD]

Oh my God, I am soooo impressed. Wait, I have to work on that, it did not really sound impressed.

Sound impressed? LOL You mean impressIVE. Ooops. Said something about illiteracy? *giggles* Also the point of my reply was not to impress you, just to put you into place for saying dumb things. There... :-) Edited April 27, 2014 at 02:45 PM by LukeD

[Frozen_Phoenix]

Sound impressed? LOL You mean impressIVE. Ooops. Said something about illiteracy? *giggles* Also the point of my reply was not to impress you, just to put you into place for saying dumb things. There... :-)

 

This is getting ridiculous. "I am not impressed" is a passive construction just like my phrase that "I did not sound impressed".

And no I am not talking about sex because that's probably the only link your brain has to the term "passive"

[MrTim212]

Mods, can we please keep this on topic instead of being a pissing match between members? Just saying...

[Frozen_Phoenix]

I have no problem with that, I was already trying to get back to the topic various times.

[ryba]

This makes absolutely zero sense. Why in the world would "Incredible" be used as promotion material for USF when: A) The song wasn't performed at the concert, It's an English duet, and C) USF isn't even slated for a U.S. release?

 

I didn't say that they will release Incredible to promote USF DVD. What I mean is that they want to release a french and an english single for the French speaking market and for the English speaking market to generate some buzz around Celine again. But we will see what they will eventually do

[LukeD]

This is getti. ridiculous. "I am not impressed" is a passive construction just like my phrase that "I did not sound impressed".

And no I am not talking about sex because that's probably the only link your brain has to the term "passive"

LOL You said "it sounded" not "I"... Ooopsie. Is the last phrase supposed to somehow insult me? it holds some weight since it's coming from suuuch a macho guy but still...

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Let's not be rude and say people who disagree with you have "stubborn thick skulls."

 

"Incredible" could've done at least moderately well. Just "The Voice" appearance alone got her to #32 on the US iTunes chart and to #13 on the iTunes pop charts. It started to drop off because there was no additional promo and Sony didn't push the song at radio in the US. I've said it before, but when the CHAIRMAN OF YOUR LABEL makes a statement to Billboard magazine before the album is released that "we're not going to get her on top 40 radio" it just shows that they have given up on her and regardless of the quality, style, or EVEN PUBLIC REACTION, they're not going to even try. Artists make resurgences all the time, however it's the LABEL holding her back at this point.

 

I don't mean to be rude, I'm just being honest. I'm not talking about whether or not people agree or disagree. I'm talking about facts. The fact that radio doesn't support her even after a radio deal was paid for on the AC format. If her primary format is barely going to support her, why should the record label waste more money trying to get her played on a format where she hasn't been supported for years. Taking Chances in 2007 barely stood a chance and Z100 dropped it rather quickly. IDAN didn't even crack the top 40 in 2003. Her days in the mainstream of pop music are done. Yes, artists have resurges at times. Barbra Streisand's last album debuted at number 1, but you sure as hell will never hear her played on top 40 radio. Cher had her highest Billboard 200 debut in her entire career with her current album, she won't be played on top 40 either. It was like pulling teeth in 1999 to have top 40 stations to start playing "Believe" and that was when the divas were still riding high. "Incredible" has spent a few weeks in the AC top 30, that's a moderate hit for today's standards. Sad, but true.

 

I'm not arguing my opinion here, just stating facts. Believing in a song or an album to do well based on content is an opinion. Looking at Celine's career over the past 10 years, it's clear that she is not mainstream material anymore when you compare her to what kind of music is and has been in demand. I agree that LMBTL could have been bigger had Sony gone over the top with promotion like they did in the 90s. Even though Celine's priorities are different, I still believe she cares and will do whatever Sony sets up for her to do when it comes to promotion. It boils down to the fact that Sony is a business and with time, their priorities have changed as well. As they do with every generation of new artists. They have to promote the singers who are hot and bringing the money in right now. While Celine may still have a huge fan base, she's no longer the face of Sony's most popular artists. The business has changed, people's tastes have evolved. I say evolved because saying that taste has changed would infer that fans no longer have interest in Celine, which I don't believe to be true. I totally understand wanting your favorite artist to do well, but a few people here seem to block out the fact that she has already done well, and now she's doimg well in other personal and career ventures. I don't understand why, with all the facts presented to us people can't just step back and enjoy what Celine is still giving us. Celine doesn't seem to care much about keeping up with the younger singers, why do we? Us causing an uproar about it is just as bad and seemingly desperate as Madonna latching onto the strings of Nicki Minaj and Miley Cyrus' careers in order to gain some relevance rather than graciously accept the status of a legend and continue making music just because she loves to.

 

 

*Sorry for the lengthy post, I normally try to keep mine contained.*

Edited April 27, 2014 at 10:45 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[MaxRayÎles]

I made this little remix of LMBTL with the vocals of Sia, I hope you'll like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG97653t3JM

Ps; If anyone wants the audio just PM me

Edited April 27, 2014 at 11:04 PM by themrvasfairecaca

[Hilda]

wow this topic got depressing. whats happened to incredible anyway? are we ever getting the video? haha. Poor celine - releases an album and then probably spent most of the grueling promo in Europe worrying about rene, was he diagnosed back in november or december? Edited April 27, 2014 at 11:51 PM by Hilda

[gafsa]

People are getting nasty these days.

[Frozen_Phoenix]

LOL You said "it sounded" not "I"... Ooopsie. Is the last phrase supposed to somehow insult me? it holds some weight since it's coming from suuuch a macho guy but still...

 

Just stop it... I am so sick of you ;-)

[anewdayhascome]

If, as some of you said, they're waiting for Ne-Yo's album, then it's even worse because it will promote HIS album while LMBTL won't be even mentioned. They should go with another summer single.