New English Album - "Water and a Flame" (Pre-Release Thread Part 1)

[zuv]

i know its very old news (like 4-5 days) but I'M GLAD WE OFFICIALLY KNOW ITS RECORDED IN STUDIO AND NOT ANOTHER LIVE ALBUM FIOUU

[Javito]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the use of studio recordings of these songs? We know we'll get the corresponding live CD of the show, as well as the DVD eventually. So, where's the use of it? Why this obfuscation with studio recordings of live songs? Normally its just the inverse, a song she's performing live from a studio recording she's done before... but they do everything the other way around

 

 

Wouldn't be much more sensible to record completely new stuff?

[Matias]

I've been a fan for more tnhan 15 years and I think I am entitled to have my opinion and not because I think the "lets-make a crappy album with covers" project is junk It doesn't mean I don't love her or I am not a good fan, If I weren't I wouldn't give a dime, but since we ALL know what Celine is capable of (music wise) it saddens me that she chooses (or her team) covers of songs that won't take her even to the top ten list on Billboard or any othr chart...

 

And Am I the only ne that thinks that she has dozens of english cd's with amazing songs and she sings covers and songs like LCCM....c'mon

Edited October 3, 2011 at 06:01 PM by Matias

[Javito]

I've been a fan for more tnhan 15 years and I think I am entitled to have my opinion and not because I think the "lets-make a crappy album with covers" project is junk It doesn't mean I don't love her or I am not a good fan, If I weren't I wouldn't give a dime, but since we ALL know what Celine is capable of (music wise) it saddens me that she chooses (or her team) covers of songs that won't take her even to the top ten list on Billboard or any othr chart...

 

And Am I the only ne that thinks that she has dozens of english cd's with amazing songs and she sings covers and songs like LCCM....c'mon

 

No you're not the only one of course There's dozens of fans who think like that, and also dozens of others who are satisfied the way she picks the songs she wants to perform these days.

 

But if you ask me what's the best side considering all her talent and her incredible voice, yes, I too gree she's wasting her talent today with this show. Absolutely. But not happy with that, it seems they want to waste also her (scarce today) recording time in the studio doing studio versions of these songs. As if it wasn't enough with having them live dozens of times with the current show

 

Edited October 3, 2011 at 06:46 PM by Javito

[zuv]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the use of studio recordings of these songs? We know we'll get the corresponding live CD of the show, as well as the DVD eventually. So, where's the use of it? Why this obfuscation with studio recordings of live songs? Normally its just the inverse, a song she's performing live from a studio recording she's done before... but they do everything the other way around

Wouldn't be much more sensible to record completely new stuff?

 

I think it makes perfect sense, at least for Celine's team. Thats huge publicity for the show, don't you think? Specially if they plan to stay there for 5 yrs.

 

People will buy the album as it is more accesible than going to the show. Then they'll give their opinion of the album (high quality vocally and musically, almost perfect) and then decide whether or not they will go see the show performed live. I think its brilliant...

 

But you're right, its the inverse of what they usually do. but why not?

 

Its sucks for us in a way because for most of the album it wont be a surprise, since we heard the songs before from the show... but thats probably less than 1% of the total people that will buy the album anyway.

 

If they give us an entirely new album, that means an entirely new show. think about it. $$$$$$

(and don't forget there will be new songs too on the album)

Edited October 3, 2011 at 07:06 PM by zuv

[SlovakClark]

OMG I passed some pages and must say reading this whole thing is just ridiculous, I am so pissed of you guys who say nothing but how terrible are we who dont like what celine and her team doing about this whole stuff.

U really thing we are not good fans because that? oh how silly

 

if a cover album is true this will be the first time i wont buy it and call me like u want, the relationship betwen fan and artist need a care from both sides, now we push much harder and thats just wrong, i rather wish celine do anything that just "job"thing because for me it is big disappointment

[Javito]

I think it makes perfect sense, at least for Celine's team. Thats huge publicity for the show, don't you think? Specially if they plan to stay there for 5 yrs.

 

People will buy the album as it is more accesible than going to the show. Then they'll give their opinion of the album (high quality vocally and musically, almost perfect) and then decide whether or not they will go see the show performed live. I think its brilliant...

 

So then why not release a full live album of the show??? Wouldn't be that easier?

 

 

No, they have to mix everything, apples with oranges!

[stevo]

I personally can't wait to hear her version of Open Arms, and no doubt NMQP will be stunning. This album will be used to promote Vegas, the show- not ramp up for a world publicity tour or Concert Tour as they usually are. It's nice that we're getting an album at all.

 

Bring it all.

[zuv]

So then why not release a full live album of the show??? Wouldn't be that easier?

No, they have to mix everything, apples with oranges!

 

hmm no, whats the point of listening to the live album and then going to the live show and listen to the exact same thing? To see Celine in person? maybe.

 

But i much prefer to get an high quality album, than a live album that i will listen for 2-3 weeks and then forget about it, like i forgot about TC world tour, a new day... live in LV and Au Coeur du Stade.

 

These ablums aren't on my mp3 player, i much rather listen to studio versions which sounds much better to me.

 

Exception: A l'olympia

 

but i guess its just my own opinion.

 

 

A live album could always be released in 5 yrs for people who didnt get the chance to see or hear it and for fans memories...

 

I personally can't wait to hear her version of Open Arms, and no doubt NMQP will be stunning. This album will be used to promote Vegas, the show- not ramp up for a world publicity tour or Concert Tour as they usually are. It's nice that we're getting an album at all.

 

Bring it all.

exactly

Edited October 3, 2011 at 07:51 PM by zuv

[SlovakClark]

If they give us an entirely new album, that means an entirely new show. think about it. $$$$$$

 

not necessarily, albums like One Heart, 1F4T, TCH had insignificant impact on AND show and OH was release even right before the show and they still could ignore it

[Javito]

hmm no, whats the point of listening to the live album and then going to the live show and listen to the exact same thing? To see Celine in person? maybe.

 

But i much prefer to get an high quality album, than a live album that i will listen for 2-3 weeks and then forget about it, like i forgot about TC world tour, a new day... live in LV and Au Coeur du Stade.

 

These ablums aren't on my mp3 player, i much rather listen to studio versions which sounds much better to me.

 

Exception: A l'olympia

 

but i guess its just my own opinion.

A live album could always be released in 5 yrs for people who didnt get the chance to see or hear it and for fans memories...

exactly

 

Well my opinion is that we could perfectly release both albums, a full LIVE album and a full brand new STUDIO album. If they don't want to do that it's just because they don't want to. She has enough career and a position in the industry in which she could even release her own music.

 

She used to release different projects and separate each one in the past. Now they like to mix it all, and that can do everything except give some coherence to her discography (that is in need of some by the way)

[zuv]

not necessarily, albums like One Heart, 1F4T, TCH had insignificant impact on AND show and OH was release even right before the show and they still could ignore it

Well because before A New Day, she had released an album ANDHC which was promoted in that show. So its not the same thing. The album came first then the show. Here its different, she had nothing to promote, because she didnt release anything. She's just doing it backwards. So she had a good base (ANDHC)to start with for the show, and then she released other albums along the way... and the show was changed a little bit along the way too... The situation is totally different here. TCH? as Taking Chances? well that did not change the show for sure, since she was going on a world tour to promote it.

 

Well my opinion is that we could perfectly release both albums, a full LIVE album and a full brand new STUDIO album. If they don't want to do that it's just because they don't want to. She has enough career and a position in the industry in which she could even release her own music.

 

She used to release different projects and separate each one in the past. Now they like to mix it all, and that can do everything except give some coherence to her discography (that is in need of some by the way)

I still think releasing the LIVE album of the show now would be inappropriate, for all the reasons i mentionned before. and I know a completely new studio album would be more than welcome, but to me, imo, it makes no sense for Celine's team. She worked so hard on that show, that it deserves to be promoted with a studio album and then in a year or 2 a completely new studio album could be released.

 

But i think we understand each other's view on this, its clear to me, but i dont expect you to go along with it. its ok.

[mirage]

OMG nobody said it will be full of show covers!

Maybe it will contain just 3 songs from the show, and that is normal on a Celine cd. To have some covers!

 

And maybe it will contain 16 songs from te show, I don't care I want just music from Celine :-)

[SlovakClark]

Well because before A New Day, she had released an album ANDHC which was promoted in that show. So its not the same thing. The album came first then the show. Here its different, she had nothing to promote, because she didnt release anything. She's just doing it backwards. So she had a good base (ANDHC)to start with for the show, and then she released other albums along the way... and the show was changed a little bit along the way too... The situation is totally different here. TCH? as Taking Chances? well that did not change the show for sure, since she was going on a world tour to promote it.

Yes i mean Taking Chances:) I understand what u say, but I think they should make a good compromise release album with new songs, slowtempo of course, so that fit with a show and then just add some new songs, or replace some

 

I even throw away an idea of fresh pop album long ago, now just hope for a new material, jazz, ballads i really dont care already. Now i dont think it is a big "requirement" from a fan 5 years from last album to capture just this, do you?

[manu23]

Yes i mean Taking Chances:) I understand what u say, but I think they should make a good compromise release album with new songs, slowtempo of course, so that fit with a show and then just add some new songs, or replace some

 

I even throw away an idea of fresh pop album long ago, now just hope for a new material, jazz, ballads i really dont care already. Now i dont think it is a big "requirement" from a fan 5 years from last album to capture just this, do you?

 

That's what I think. The album doesn't need to be uptempo because it won't fit the show, but it should have original songs, no more than 3 or 4 covers. There've been so many rumors about song writers that I hope we'll have new material

[Javito]

At this stage, do they care if the album was supposed to include uptempo or dance songs instead of ballads that fit in the show? I don't think so. Why they wouldn't release an album completely unnconected with the show theme? That's what I don't understand. Taking Chances hadn't anything to do with "A New Day" and Cirque du soleil way of work, so, what's the problem?

 

Sorry but the idea that they had to think and reject so many good songs that people may be sending her just because they're not in the line of the show irritates me so much

[SlovakClark]

to be honest the think irritates me much more than this album stuff is what Celine told in new documentary, that she dont care about showbizz, since its all about what Rene decide to do.

I know, she takes us a look to her personal life, but her attitude about singing as a job to feed her family cant work for fans forever. I wanna see a passion about singing, recording albums, make videos, thats what makes my heart to feel like a true fan someone care about, not just jobsinging, it isnt satisfied me.

Maybe i am to sensitive but thats what i need to feel from my beloved artist

[Davey84]

Now the real pressure begins. What does the most internationally acclaimed Quebecoise singer in history do for an encore?

 

She gets down to work.

 

"It's still a wonderful dream, but I realize I'm working hard, that all my team is working hard," she says. "And that's why there's more pressure."

 

The pressure came in sifting through more than 300 songs to come up with the 15 on The Colour of My Love, and in the overall increase indemands on her time. Dion says she is more involved than ever in the day-to-day wheel-cranking that moves the gleaming star machine

 

from an interview before the release of TCOML http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/From...7739/story.html

 

Don't tell me Céline doesn't receive 300 songs anymore for a new album! I don't mind a FEW songs from the show as an album track (BUT they have to be much better than the jobs they did with IIC and WAWW ) but I do hope that they are still searching for the best songs out there, and not take crap they get from befriended writers and producers for granted...

 

I wish Céline had that passion back of wanting to make her new album better than the last album! She lost that after ANDHC, she had is a bit with TC, but that album suffered wrong decisions )

Edited October 4, 2011 at 01:35 PM by Davey84

[Javito]

to be honest the think irritates me much more than this album stuff is what Celine told in new documentary, that she dont care about showbizz, since its all about what Rene decide to do.

I know, she takes us a look to her personal life, but her attitude about singing as a job to feed her family cant work for fans forever. I wanna see a passion about singing, recording albums, make videos, thats what makes my heart to feel like a true fan someone care about, not just jobsinging, it isnt satisfied me.

Maybe i am to sensitive but thats what i need to feel from my beloved artist

 

 

from an interview before the release of TCOML http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/From...7739/story.html

 

Don't tell me Céline doesn't receive 300 songs anymore for a new album! I don't mind a FEW songs from the show as an album track (BUT they have to be much better than the jobs they did with IIC and WAWW ) but I do hope that they are still searching for the best songs out there, and not take crap they get from befriended writers and producers for granted...

 

I wish Céline had that passion back of wanting to make her new album better than the last album! She lost that after ANDHC, she had is a bit with TC, but that album suffered wrong decisions )

 

Exactly!! I absolutely agree with both of you, that's what I miss from her!. And when I say "miss" it's because I REALLY miss that other side of the artist. I mean all the motherhood speech she's been using since 2002 its OK, yes being a mother must be the most rewarding thing in your life and she deserves it so much. But I thought this would last one year, two at most. But we've been inundated by the same comments and chit-chat about her family life since 2002.

 

What about the artist inside? Where is it gone? Where's gone the passion to surpass with each new album the last recording? Because, if I recall well, in 2006 she was still fierce about her career and said in a french interview that "she wanted to be on the top charts again and that she would clain her throne before Beyoncé's and Madonna's"

 

This motherhood speech has not to be incompatible with showing interest in your job. And like Davey says, I really miss the Celine Dion interested in recording new albums, shooting videoclips and promoting the new music she records to show it to the world as much as possible. The fan inside me is what expects in the end

[Daysleeper]

from an interview before the release of TCOML http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/From...7739/story.html

 

Don't tell me Céline doesn't receive 300 songs anymore for a new album! I don't mind a FEW songs from the show as an album track (BUT they have to be much better than the jobs they did with IIC and WAWW ) but I do hope that they are still searching for the best songs out there, and not take crap they get from befriended writers and producers for granted...

 

I wish Céline had that passion back of wanting to make her new album better than the last album! She lost that after ANDHC, she had is a bit with TC, but that album suffered wrong decisions )

 

 

That's right. I think Taking Chances was a step into the right direction, but the whole idea about it wasn't sufficiently elaborated. Still it's a nice album.

 

Talking about Céline's covers, I think we can distinguish two different kinds. The ones that were big classics or hits (like "The First Time Ever I saw Your Face", "River Deep Mountain High", "All The Way", "All By Myself", "Alone" etc.) and the ones that didn't have a big global success or were forgotten over the years ("Unison", "Falling Into You", "Ten Days", "Tu nages" etc.)

Larger audience, as well as the fans, discovered these songs thanks to Céline and she made them more popular. While covering the old classics will always be little bit risky because of the critics and it doesn't give a chance to the fans to discover a new material (only a different interpretation). Also, those songs would not be related to Céline.

I don't mind if she has a cover or two on the album, but those songs should be more like album fillers.

Choosing to record the old classics and introducing them to the public again and again is somehow a lack of inspiration and imagination which is indispensable for any form of art. Well that's my opinion...

[Javito]

I don't mind if she has a cover or two on the album, but those songs should be more like album fillers.

Choosing to record the old classics and introducing them to the public again and again is somehow a lack of inspiration and imagination which is indispensable for any form of art. Well that's my opinion...

 

And we have "the" classics (i.e. the now performed "Goldfinguer", "Open Arms" or "At Seventeen") and her own classics (IACBTMN, MHWGO, TPOL, BYLM)....

 

We're flooded with classics of each kind everywhere, and enough is enough. If only for 1 of each "Goldfinguer" she introduced another 1 of her own never-performed songs... that would be something at least, there would exist some kind of balance. But right now there isn't one at all.

Edited October 4, 2011 at 03:04 PM by Javito

[Daysleeper]

And we have "the" classics (i.e. the now performed "Goldfinguer", "Open Arms" or "At Seventeen") and her own classics (IACBTMN, MHWGO, TPOL, BYLM)....

 

We're flooded with classics of each kind everywhere, and enough is enough. If only for 1 of each "Goldfinguer" she introduced another 1 of her own never-performed songs... that would be something at least, there would exist some kind of balance. But right now there isn't one at all.

 

Yes, I understand you. Something like we had with "Seduces me" in A New Day? Even if it was already performed in Falling Into You Tour it was a kind of a refreshment for our ears.

 

I think Céline was already criticized about the lack of her own songs in her shows. It was back in 1987 for the Incognito Tour. It was long time ago...

 

Imagine a total ignorant person about Céline's career going to see the new show in Las Vegas. After the show he/she learns that Céline's career is 30 years old. He would ask himslef "What the hell she did all those 30 years?".

[celinesounds]

Yes, I understand you. Something like we had with "Seduces me" in A New Day? Even if it was already performed in Falling Into You Tour it was a kind of a refreshment for our ears.

 

I think Céline was already criticized about the lack of her own songs in her shows. It was back in 1987 for the Incognito Tour. It was long time ago...

 

Imagine a total ignorant person about Céline's career going to see the new show in Las Vegas. After the show he/she learns that Céline's career is 30 years old. He would ask himslef "What the hell she did all those 30 years?".

 

 

maybe she did more than 100 cover

[Javito]

Yes, I understand you. Something like we had with "Seduces me" in A New Day? Even if it was already performed in Falling Into You Tour it was a kind of a refreshment for our ears.

 

I think Céline was already criticized about the lack of her own songs in her shows. It was back in 1987 for the Incognito Tour. It was long time ago...

 

Imagine a total ignorant person about Céline's career going to see the new show in Las Vegas. After the show he/she learns that Céline's career is 30 years old. He would ask himslef "What the hell she did all those 30 years?".

 

Yep, that's it. With "Celine" we have WDMHBN and The Reason back as a little surprise. That's nice, but why not a completely never performed song? Like the so demanded by fans Then You Look At Me? Or Halfway To Heaven (the live performance with a saxophone would be OR-GAS-MIC), Next Plane Out, Water From The Moon or The Greatest Reward? Why can't this happen?

 

I didn't know she had been already criticised for this in 1987, but in her defense I can say that in the 1985 "C'est Pour Toi" tour , she also included english covers when she didn't even knew english language (Over The Rainbow, What A Feeling, Up Where We Belong) and also french covers. I can understand that because she was in her begginings and she had to build her international career yet. It's understandable that back in 1985 she resorted to covers.

 

But after 1985? There had been 16 english and french albums (easy to say!) with dozens and dozens of original songs written for her. Is really a need to do such setlist in 2011? I don't think so. She could be doing this setlist even in 1989 to attract attention, but now? Nosense...

Edited October 4, 2011 at 03:50 PM by Javito

[Daysleeper]

Yep, that's it. With "Celine" we have WDMHBN and The Reason back as a little surprise. That's nice, but why not a completely never performed song? Like the so demanded by fans Then You Look At Me? Or Halfway To Heaven (the live performance with a saxophone would be OR-GAS-MIC), Next Plane Out, Water From The Moon or The Greatest Reward? Why can't this happen?

 

I didn't know she had been already criticised for this in 1987, but in her defense I can say that in the 1985 "C'est Pour Toi" tour , she also included english covers when she didn't even knew english language (Over The Rainbow, What A Feeling, Up Where We Belong) and also french covers. I can understand that because she was in her begginings and she had to build her international career yet. It's understandable that back in 1985 she resorted to covers.

 

But after 1985? There had been 16 english and french albums (easy to say!) with dozens and dozens of original songs written for her. Is really a need to do such setlist in 2011? I don't think so. She could be doing this setlist even in 1989 to attract attention, but now? Nosense...

 

I found the short report about her Incognito Tour from February 1988. The commentator says that she had some critics about performing the songs of other artists and that she doesn't have her own repertoire in the show neither her own style. I don't know if you understand French.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKz0C4CSq0Y

 

it's at 1:57

 

 

Yes, it is totally OK if the young artists make covers. And it is nice to see Céline back then how much effort she put into singing in English. But after so many years she just doesn't need to sing classics so much. Because she IS a classic by herself.

 

But okay, I'm not so negative... Acctually I'm happy about the fact that she sings "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" again. One of my favorite songs ever

Edited October 4, 2011 at 04:25 PM by Daysleeper

[celinesounds]

Let's Make a list of songs that would be very nice

 

1. Refuse to Dance

2. Where Does My Hear Beat Now

3. Love Doesn't Ask Why

4. If You asked me too/ Only One Road/ Nothing Broken but My Heart

5. Did You Give Enough Love/ Just a Little Bit of LOve

6. My Precious One

7. The Reason

8. Your Light/ Can't Fight The Feelin/ Sorry For Love

9. A Song For You

10. A World to Believe In

11. I'm Your Angel

12. I Know What Love Is

13. On s'est aimé à cause

14. Declaration Of LOve

15. Unison

16. Then You Look at Me

17. If We Could Start Over

18. Where is The Love/ Je T'aime Encore (English)

 

the back vocals could sing the regular hits

Edited October 4, 2011 at 07:51 PM by celinesounds

[SlovakClark]

Let's Make a list of songs that would be very nice

 

1. Refuse to Dance

2. Where Does My Hear Beat Now

3. Love Doesn't Ask Why

4. If You asked me too/ Only One Road/ Nothing Broken but My Heart

5. Did You Give Enough Love/ Just a Little Bit of LOve

6. My Precious One

7. The Reason

8. Your Light/ Can't Fight The Feelin/ Sorry For Love

9. A Song For You

10. A World to Believe In

11. I'm Your Angel

12. I Know What Love Is

13. On s'est aimé à cause

14. Declaration Of LOve

15. Unison

16. Then You Look at Me

17. If We Could Start Over

18. Where is The Love/ Je T'aime Encore (English)

 

the back vocals could sing the regular hits

Love Doesn't Ask Why... soooo sweet:)

 

you see? thats just the perfect songlist for CELINE show, honestly i started to think people about team Celine dont have a clue about her career, its not possible to ignore tons of her beautifull songs Its hardly believe she prefer that old classics above her own songs, its so wierd

[Javito]

Love Doesn't Ask Why... soooo sweet:)

 

you see? thats just the perfect songlist for CELINE show, honestly i started to think people about team Celine dont have a clue about her career, its not possible to ignore tons of her beautifull songs Its hardly believe she prefer that old classics above her own songs, its so wierd

 

You're right, neither I can get to understand how so many people around her can neglect so many of her own songs to the point that 80% of her songs remain in the dark, never performed on a stage, completely ignored... in favour of those covers? I have no idea what they're thinking about this

[zuv]

Was she ever asked though?: why did you prefere covering songs in your show instead of singing you're own songs, your songs that never been performed?

 

Maybe there is a personal reason, or maybe its for profitable reasons. Maybe they think the general public (meaning much more people) would be more attracted to the show.

 

Lets face it, the reason why there are MJ songs on the show, is mostly because he is dead and his fans still want to see and hear his songs performed. Again its the idea of attracting more people.

MHWGO is still performed for the same reason.

 

People visiting Vegas are rich and old for the majority... no wonder the covers will also be old.

 

Also, the general public knows that Celine has a great voice, but the reason why people wont adhere to her is mostly because Celine sings power ballades and love songs.

 

by singing other songs, the hesitant and doubtful people are more likely to go see the show.

 

Unfortunately no residency shows or world tour will ever be custom made for fans of this forum... We can only wish for a one time Special event.

Edited October 4, 2011 at 09:19 PM by zuv

[Javito]

Was she ever asked though?: why did you prefere covering songs in your show instead of singing you're own songs, your songs that never been performed?

 

Maybe there is a personal reason, or maybe its for profitable reasons. Maybe they think the general public (meaning much more people) would be more attracted to the show.

 

Lets face it, the reason why there are MJ songs on the show, is mostly because he is dead and his fans still want to see and hear his songs performed. Again its the idea of attracting more people.

MHWGO is still performed for the same reason.

 

People visiting Vegas are rich and old for the majority... no wonder the covers will also be old.

 

Also, the general public knows that Celine has a great voice, but the reason why people wont adhere to her is mostly because Celine sings power ballades and love songs.

 

So you agree that the "Celine" setlist is no other than a show tailored to Las Vegas and Caesars Palace requirements, don't you? That's what I think too

 

Agree also with the MJ tribute. Yes she may be a big fan of him and he was an inspiration to her, but why she didn't care before 2009 to pay him tribute in previous concerts? I'm not blaming her don't take me wrong, but I do think since the moment I saw the setlist that there was some opportunism behind that decission. I mean, every singer is praising MJ music and his talent today, when they didn't gave a damn in his life. Of course including a medley of his songs was another rabbit in the top hat for Caesars Palace

 

Honestly, she had no need to do a show full of covers like this, if she had travelled a 30 year career full of hits and top quality songs, it wasn't to end this way doing a show full of other people's songs

 

Was this her wish? I don't think she even have a say in the theme, honestly!. We perfectly know René is the one in charge with these aspects, so probably all the idea about popular songs and tributes was proposed (*demanded*??) by Caesars Palace people and René just agreed. Which in terms of Céline comes to mean that she just said "yes" in order to "please him", as we've seen lately that she just wants and loves to make him happy