Celine's voice

[justinecoria]

Lol Whitney DID make it a practice to lip a few songs on her last tour. Beyonce has been consistently lipping since the destinys child's days.. Christina has always lipped, Mariah has for most of her career. Reba has... the only ones I can say I know haven't are Barbra Streisand and Dolly Parton, whom are alive today I mean. Aretha has, it was all over youtube a couple years back, Tina did on TOTP..

Come on, this is such a lie.

Whitney lipping a lot ? Even when her voice was in really bad shape, she sang her hits live. That's why people are making fun of her.

Beyonce lippping ? On TV shows you mean ?

Mariah has lipped for most of her career ? WTF ? Until some years ago, she so rarely lipped. Her live concerts were sometimes dubbed afterwards, but that's Sony's fault.

Christina lipping a lot ?

Ok. Now, I need some proof.

 

And about 30% : I don't know how you guys come with that number !! Her new Las Vegas show is like this (I put 99,99% instead of 100%, because you hear her sometimes breathe in the mic) :

 

WDMHBN : lipped at 99,99%

IACBTMN : lipped at 99,99%

TPOL : lipped at 99,99%

The Reason : 70%

Goldfinger : 99,99%

Ben : 95%

Man In The Mirror : 70 %

MHWGO : 99%

 

This surely doesn't make 30%

[Timster]

Guys there's one specific live performance that has always taken my mind, but not exactly because I think it was a good live performance.

 

 

I don't think the chorus sounded awful, Celine wasn't in top shape that day, but she sang far better than the Air Canada crew. But in their defence, the song was lowered (probably at Celine's request), making the verses very low and very extremely difficult for the women to sing.

Edited August 24, 2011 at 12:59 PM by Timster

[enno2007]

Come on, this is such a lie.

Whitney lipping a lot ? Even when her voice was in really bad shape, she sang her hits live. That's why people are making fun of her.

Beyonce lippping ? On TV shows you mean ?

Mariah has lipped for most of her career ? WTF ? Until some years ago, she so rarely lipped. Her live concerts were sometimes dubbed afterwards, but that's Sony's fault.

Christina lipping a lot ?

Ok. Now, I need some proof.

 

And about 30% : I don't know how you guys come with that number !! Her new Las Vegas show is like this (I put 99,99% instead of 100%, because you hear her sometimes breathe in the mic) :

 

WDMHBN : lipped at 99,99%

IACBTMN : lipped at 99,99%

TPOL : lipped at 99,99%

The Reason : 70%

Goldfinger : 99,99%

Ben : 95%

Man In The Mirror : 70 %

MHWGO : 99%

 

This surely doesn't make 30%

 

I think it is obvious that the 30% refers to the number of lipped songs in relation to the whole show.

 

About Whitney: She may have technically sung many of her songs live, but in my book, letting background singers carry the whole song or talking rubbish during 80% of the title doesn't count as singing.

 

Whithout excusing this whole ugly lipping business, I would argue that the only way of making a decent comparison is to consider the number of minutes per show that are lipped, the time that is properly sung by the performer, the time that is covered by background singers and musicians and the total length of the show.

 

It is a complex calculation and I certainly have no intention of going down this road, but it would put things a bit more in perspective and would provide some real insights.

 

Having said that, I don't want to excuse lipping and think that there are other ways of preserving a voice. But I also see the wide use of this in the music industry and would make a difference between the Vegas show and a concert tour.

[Tyler1991]

I find it absolutely hilarious that ya'll think you can compare Celine to Whitney/Beyonce/Christina in terms of them being equal on this field.

 

PUH-LEASE! Celine lips more than the three of them together. LOL, and the fact that you have to scrummage through old TOTP clips to find out that one of them has lipped says it all....you wouldn't have to look that far for Celine at all...

 

Whitney has lipped two songs in the beginning of her last tour. Then halfway through she TOLD the audience she sucked at lipping and then just gave that up and started singing it live. Aside from that, EVERY tour has been 100% live, and she has sang about 99% of her promo's live with the rare exception of a show (like one TV appearance in a 5 year period sort of rare) she would lip.

 

As for Beyonce, I'm not familiar with her lipping, but it's not even close to being as heavy as Celine's is. She is more like Whitney....generally she sings live, but the rare occasion she lips.

 

Christina doesn't regularly lip either. She used to lip Candyman and parts of Ain't No Other Man a lot but that was about it. She lipped (at her most) what Celine did back in 1992 when Celine was only lipping IYAMT and WDMHBN. So here is another case that is MUCH less than Celine.

[celinefanonline]

all i can say is that this topic is not going anywhere....

so i think this topic should just change to lip topic!!! that would suit it better

[Davey84]

Yeah John, you're totally right!

 

 

I don't wanna throw oil on the fire, but I saw Janet Jackson 'live' in concert and I am positively sure at least 50% of that night was lipped...

[Celine Fan 77]

I think I agree, why not making a topic for Celine's lipping?

 

Anyway, back to the topic, thanks for the explanation, Timster.

 

A few days ago, I made a little experiment: I watched a video of Celine's first ever broadcasted live performance and right after that I watched another video of her singing Open Arms and I said to myself "It's pretty amazing that, 30 years later, she still has that voice almost intact. I understood then why she lipps: to keep that voice in top shape.

[justinecoria]

I think it is obvious that the 30% refers to the number of lipped songs in relation to the whole show.

I must be really bad in math, but show me the 30% !

[I Love You]

all i can say is that this topic is not going anywhere....

so i think this topic should just change to lip topic!!! that would suit it better

 

 

I Agree, please change the topic.

[enno2007]

I must be really bad in math, but show me the 30% !

 

If she lips 8 out of 22 songs, that's 36,4%. According to your own post, not all the 8 songs are entirely lipped, so the ratio is a bit less than this and 30% is hence a decent estimate.

 

I didn't come up with this number, but I see how somebody can come to this result - it's really not rocket science...

[reamary]

Talking about Céline's VOICE..... :

 

 

[Davey84]

Talking about Céline's VOICE..... :

 

 

 

 

another GREAT LIVE performance of THE VOICE

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5UBM9N3QzE

 

[volleyceline]

all i can say is that this topic is not going anywhere....

so i think this topic should just change to lip topic!!! that would suit it better

 

Or close it all together...

It's sad how many people like to shout off the top of rooftops CELINE LIP SYNCS ALMOST EVERY SONG!

 

Whatever tho

[ManuelDiom]

I find it absolutely hilarious that ya'll think you can compare Celine to Whitney/Beyonce/Christina in terms of them being equal on this field.

 

PUH-LEASE! Celine lips more than the three of them together. LOL, and the fact that you have to scrummage through old TOTP clips to find out that one of them has lipped says it all....you wouldn't have to look that far for Celine at all...

 

Whitney has lipped two songs in the beginning of her last tour. Then halfway through she TOLD the audience she sucked at lipping and then just gave that up and started singing it live. Aside from that, EVERY tour has been 100% live, and she has sang about 99% of her promo's live with the rare exception of a show (like one TV appearance in a 5 year period sort of rare) she would lip.

 

As for Beyonce, I'm not familiar with her lipping, but it's not even close to being as heavy as Celine's is. She is more like Whitney....generally she sings live, but the rare occasion she lips.

 

Christina doesn't regularly lip either. She used to lip Candyman and parts of Ain't No Other Man a lot but that was about it. She lipped (at her most) what Celine did back in 1992 when Celine was only lipping IYAMT and WDMHBN. So here is another case that is MUCH less than Celine.

HA please! If you don't like Celine this much go to another forum and complain!

[Tyler1991]

Save your breath. Seriously, don't go making irrational assumptions that I don't like Celine because YOU can't swallow the cold hard truth.

 

*exits thread*

[ManuelDiom]

I can't accept it? LOL I know Celine lips. And I don't have a problem with it! But if you come and say that those other singers don't lip as much as Celine does, or more, is false. It looks like you're trying to make people here think she never sings live IMO... Edited August 25, 2011 at 04:43 AM by ManuelDiom

[justinecoria]

But if you come and say that those other singers don't lip as much as Celine does, or more, is false.

Wow, you're so delusional.

Repeating it won't make it real, you know !

[manu23]

I find it absolutely hilarious that ya'll think you can compare Celine to Whitney/Beyonce/Christina in terms of them being equal on this field.

 

PUH-LEASE! Celine lips more than the three of them together. LOL, and the fact that you have to scrummage through old TOTP clips to find out that one of them has lipped says it all....you wouldn't have to look that far for Celine at all...

 

Whitney has lipped two songs in the beginning of her last tour. Then halfway through she TOLD the audience she sucked at lipping and then just gave that up and started singing it live. Aside from that, EVERY tour has been 100% live, and she has sang about 99% of her promo's live with the rare exception of a show (like one TV appearance in a 5 year period sort of rare) she would lip.

 

As for Beyonce, I'm not familiar with her lipping, but it's not even close to being as heavy as Celine's is. She is more like Whitney....generally she sings live, but the rare occasion she lips.

 

Christina doesn't regularly lip either. She used to lip Candyman and parts of Ain't No Other Man a lot but that was about it. She lipped (at her most) what Celine did back in 1992 when Celine was only lipping IYAMT and WDMHBN. So here is another case that is MUCH less than Celine.

 

And where are Whitney, Mariah or Christina Floppera now? I guess they must been having successful tours and selling million records all over the world.

 

Right now, Celine is bigger than all these three together and if she has to lip to keep her voice, God bless her lipping!

[Celine Fan 77]

Sorry guys, I know it's not the first time I talk about bad live performances in this topic, but anyway, here's one of her worst, I think she was sick that night:

 

[Timster]

And where are Whitney, Mariah or Christina Floppera now? I guess they must been having successful tours and selling million records all over the world.

 

Right now, Celine is bigger than all these three together and if she has to lip to keep her voice, God bless her lipping!

 

Exactly. At the end of the day, we have to realise that no one is the same, and that everyone's voices are different. Some singers are lucky that they can sing their songs live all the time - good for them. But Celine found out the hard way that constant singing has a negative effect on her voice, as she lost her voice twice during the Incognito & Unison Tours. That was a big wake up call for her. Since Celine started lipping in 1992, her voice improved a lot. She wasn't recklessly belting out high notes that could cause harm, she was more careful and controlled her technique a lot better. In my opinion, there is no way Celine would have the great voice she has today if she didn't lip. Celine's voice is her career, and I'm sure she will continue to do everything she can to ensure that she can sing perfectly for years to come. The new 2011 playbacks prove that she's still got it, and her live voice is the best it's been for well over 10 years.

 

I find it weird that people need to compare Celine's lipping to others. It all boils down to the individual, their vocal chords, the difficulty of their songs, and how often they sing them. In Celine's case, she has a lot of very difficult songs, and she does a lot of shows. In terms of her concert tours/shows, she did about 500 shows in the 90s, and in the 00s she did 855. That number of concerts over a sustained 20 year period is far higher than the other singers mentioned earlier, like Whitney and Mariah, so why shouldn't Celine be allowed to lip?

[Celinex]

Like...?

Beyonce, she's lipped

Xtina, she's lipped

Cher, she's lipped

Whitney, she's lipped

Mariah, she's lipped more than Celine

Leona, she's lipped

Demi, she's lipped

There is not ONE singer that hasn't lipped LOL

 

Kylie Minogue does not lip in concert.She sings 100% live all of the time ever sincer her first tour in 1989.The last few tours she has got better and better.

[Celinex]

Kylie Minogue does not lip in concert.She sings 100% live all of the time ever sincer her first tour in 1989.The last few tours she has got better and better.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3fiHeki89k...feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ZdCE5gE3c...feature=related

 

[CelineBlessed]

whether she lips or not the fact is that she has song the best hits ever and has the angelic voice that no one has

i am a big fan of her and it's not important for me that she lips in her concert or not ,the only important thing is to see her and i respect the decisions she makes

[CelineBlessed]

if you have seen Celine Through The Eyes of The World backstage she sings despite sever condition that her voice has ...

[takeachance]

Sorry guys, I know it's not the first time I talk about bad live performances in this topic, but anyway, here's one of her worst, I think she was sick that night:

 

 

Aw , i didnt think this was bad i thought it was good (well the last note maybe , but ....)

[Tyler1991]

It's a shame. I think that particular performance, and her performance of CHFIL in Vegas, and maybe even QONQL in Sainte Justine......all were great and amazing to see. They were songs that were pivotal performances in her 90's career, and she wasn't in good vocal condition when she sang any of those three, and I'm afraid she has probably lost the confidence to sing any of them again. It's a shame because her vocal condition now is so much better than it was in 05-07.

[dmeredith]

Aw , i didnt think this was bad i thought it was good (well the last note maybe , but ....)

 

 

I didn't think that there was anything wrong with that performance either.

 

Also, I respect Celine's decisions. She's done what she's had to do to maintain her voice and her career. Everyone has to make choices now and then to stay healthy due to the stresses that come into our lives. You can't judge until you've walked a mile in her shoes. We don't always know what is occuring in the background. So, we shouldn't be so judgemental. I admire Celine for her talent, and who she is as a person. I am truly tired of the negativity about Celine. It's not very loyal. None of us are able to live a perfect life, nor do we always make wise decisions. So, let's quit being so quick to judge. Yes, some might say that they still are a fan of Celine's even tho' they're making accusations and being so discriminating. To me loyalty means that you're considerate and ready to stand behind your "friend" no matter what. I applaud Celine for all that she had done and endured. She's come out a winner!!! Shell always be #1 in my book.

[celinefanonline]

It's a shame. I think that particular performance, and her performance of CHFIL in Vegas, and maybe even QONQL in Sainte Justine......all were great and amazing to see. They were songs that were pivotal performances in her 90's career, and she wasn't in good vocal condition when she sang any of those three, and I'm afraid she has probably lost the confidence to sing any of them again. It's a shame because her vocal condition now is so much better than it was in 05-07.

 

can i correct the time it should be end of 03 to maybe end of 06 or so 07 her voice was not that bad if u compare

[Tyler1991]

Her voice improved in 2007 over 2004-2006, but it was not as good as 90-95 or as good as 02-03.

 

Her voice is better in 2007 only because she/Rene knew that they'd have to get their act together a bit. They had two new albums coming out, two TV specials (well really not even one after you look at all the lipping), a live DVD of the Vegas show, a pretty decent promo tour for Taking Chances in the US, some other events (such as Sainte Justine, Foster and Friends, Elvis special, etc), and an upcoming tour.

 

So naturally with all that was around the corner, it just wasn't feasible to deliver the kinds of performances with her 04-06 voice, so it improved a little bit. But let's see here. BYLM was still nasal in all of her 2007 performances. A lot of the 2007 Vegas DVD was pretty good - RDMH was amazing and is the last time she performed it right (unlike the rubbish she has been doign with that song since 2008). All The Way, A New Day Has Come, etc....all those were good.

 

Her promo tour... The TC performances were all lacking. It's no wonder why she didn't sing the song completely live on tour - the live version simply lacked that punch the CD version did. Her Alone performances were borderline terrible with squeezed, strained, nasal belts... the IDAN performance on Tody was pretty good, and the MHWGO performance on DWTS is one of her best of the song.

 

So yeah, overall it wasn't to bad. She delivered great performances in 2007 with IDAN at Today, MHWGO on DWTS, and RDMH in Vegas. But overall, it was still a bit mediocre when looking at the performances of I'm Alive, Seduces Me, Taking Chances, Alone, Because You Loved Me.

 

To me, her voice in 2008 was very good. That was when we saw some improvement - when she had that break after Vegas. She sounded better in February and March of 2008 than she had in the last 15 years. She was NAILING that F5 in Alone and It's A Man's World. She was blowing us away with I Got The Music In Me, RDMH was still good, The Show Must Go On was amazing, Think Twice was respectable considering she hadn't done it in 10 years, BYLM had improved a little bit, Fade Away was pretty awesome (well especially in Pretoria), etc.

 

Of course things went downhill. Alone and It's A MAn's World were getting pretty mediocre. RDMH became LCMM part 2. TSMGO was removed from the setlist, as was IGTMIM and Think Twice.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Coming from an actor/singer.....Celine did 200 shows a year while in Vegas. I'm sure you all know how many she did while on tour for Taking Chances/Falling Into You/Let's Talk About Love/etc. I don't have the exact numbers but can we all agree that she does A LOT OF SHOWS?! We can all agree she is one of the hardest working people in the business. Does Christina perform 5 nights a week? Does Whitney? Does Barbara? Does any other singer you know? I know some singers who perform 8 shows a week - they're doing it on Broadway/Off-Broadway/and at Regional theaters across the country. However, they do not use their voice for the entire 2 hour show. They do a scene, sing a song and then other actor/singers come out and do a scene and sing a song. There is an intermission. Now of course, Celine doesn't do a full 1hr 45 min show either - she gets break to change her clothes while other performers perform. But still, I would say (with 20 years of experience in the business) that Celine sings more in her shows that Broadway/Off-Broadway/Regional theater performers sing in their shows and she SURE as hell does more shows per week/year than any other diva in the business. If she needs to lip-sync 30 percent of her show, I say more power to her. Quit your bitching or stop paying money to see her. That is all.