What do you say to this world tour so far?

[Shaun]

hmm well yeah.. but she's been using playback for TPOL for like well for ever! I agree with you, I think she should chuck out old songs like TPOL and IACBTN if she lost connection with it, and doesn't even bother to sing it live. but I think no matter what songs are added, some parts will always be playback; other solutions would be less songs, or no high notes, but what's a céline concert without them? or moreover new arragements, which would make it fun for everyone again! Or less concerts and smaller venues... but the problem with that is, that the ticketprices will be even higher!

 

A high note surely doesn't count if it is lipped Davey? What's impressive about that?

[Davey84]

no it doesn't but i mean that TPOL has a lot of high notes... oke let me refrase that: less high notes! Céline impressed me enough with Alone, ESNQU, this is a man's world and tc, so I am not that bothered about the lipped notes in tpol!

 

I am not saying the lipping is good, I also rather hear her live 100%, but we all know that she's been using backup tracks since 1995... at least. We don't know why she does it and frankly unless someone will confront her directly with it, in an interview or what ever, I don't think they really care about that and won't change it.

[Shaun]

no it doesn't but i mean that TPOL has a lot of high notes... oke let me refrase that: less high notes! Céline impressed me enough with Alone, ESNQU, this is a man's world and tc, so I am not that bothered about the lipped notes in tpol!

 

I am not saying the lipping is good, I also rather hear her live 100%, but we all know that she's been using backup tracks since 1995... at least. We don't know why she does it and frankly unless someone will confront her directly with it, in an interview or what ever, I don't think they really care about that and won't change it.

 

Yes I see your point but still dont agree. LOL. Whilst Celine has been impressive vocally on this tour (I was blown away in London and Paris) I still dont think it's ok to say "well she's sung that song brilliantly so let her lip TPOL." But anyway.

 

I just hope this is the last tour with those lipped tracks. It's becoming painfully obvious and like you say the more obvious it becomes the more people will start noticing it and as soon as the the media catch wind of it Celine can say goodbye to the admiration she currently has from the media for her talent.

[Davey84]

I never said: well she's sung that song brilliantly so let her lip TPOL I don't care about TPOL, so I don't care if it's live or not... but I do care about the obviousness of the lipped tracks, in Paris it was very obvious... and what bugs me the most is that she dares to begin and end with lipping!!! I don't want to think too much about it, cos that would just be..... i dunno!

I'd rather have a 16 song setlist of complete live songs... then 5 extra 'lipped' songs.

 

another bad thing btw is the fact that every single song is shorter then on the album! I really don't understand why.

 

You know, I wouldn't mind if Céline wasn't the biggest selling female in the world anymore. if that would bring her down to the Incognito days, the 'support act of michael bolton' days, the D'eux days... where the voice was all that matters, and so did the delivery of the song. smaller venues, more artistic-ness musicwise... more interaction and no tight schedual.. yeah I'd even pay 350 euros for that

Edited July 16, 2008 at 03:52 PM by Davey84

[Timster]

I'd rather have a 16 song setlist of complete live songs... then 5 extra 'lipped' songs.

 

But the tour is about 16 live songs with 5 lipped!

[Davey84]

see?! I'm happy!

[john]

Necessary Celine to change a little musics of the show, I wait that in tour of the United States it n sings TPOL, IACBTMN, TLYM and AMB, needs to place new musics. For me the old successes that would have to be are BYLM, LCMM and MHWGO.

 

I also wait that the director of tour changes some things

[Frozen_Phoenix]

Well, why doesn't the media confront her with that?

 

Do you honestly think the reporters didn't realize the lipping?

 

Maybe a little scandal would help everybody

[sezamka]

As far as i am concerned, there are some things I can't agree with the critics:

1. connection with the audience -have you seen anything from KRAKOW on youtube? then see it and afterwards you may say whatever you want;] I mean that it depends much on the audience itself how the connection is going to be.The second factor is the shape, the general type of the stage, as it has been mentioned by someone already.

2. Someone said the choice of the Queen is an example of her bad taste -I feel offended. the world woulnd not be the same without "we are the champions" and "we will rock you" and "the show must go on".You may hate Freddie and Queen, but this is a pure truth, that anybody can deny.

Also - in Krakow we had an outdoor stage, but it worked perfectly for the show:) There were no technical hitches, and the sound was so good that I could hardly distinguish whether she sang live or not(the other reason for that was the fact that we screamed and sang along with her through all the show:)And - she did the speech but not the same she performed everywhere. Also she did not seemed to be waiting for the end of the show.But i can't tell anything else, because i have attended only one show, I saw her for the first time, so it also must have strongly affected my opinion:)

 

Sez

Edited July 17, 2008 at 12:14 AM by sezamka

[Jacqui]

Wow, you guys are still not over this? A scandal would not be good. Do you want to ruin her reputation and career, over something so stupid? Almost every artist does it at some point, it's not such a big deal. Look, I would definitely prefer if she didn't do it, too, but whinging about it thousands of times isn't gonna change it. It's only gonna make you drive me crazy LOL.

[Alex_Incognito]

You know, I wouldn't mind if Céline wasn't the biggest selling female in the world anymore. if that would bring her down to the Incognito days, the 'support act of michael bolton' days, the D'eux days... where the voice was all that matters, and so did the delivery of the song. smaller venues, more artistic-ness musicwise... more interaction and no tight schedual.. yeah I'd even pay 350 euros for that

 

I couldn't agree more. We need another tour de force like "A l'Olympia". Concerts from FIY on never impressed me much.

[Chula]

I couldn't agree more. We need another tour de force like "A l'Olympia". Concerts from FIY on never impressed me much.

 

To me, the LTAL tour is very magnificent due to the stage especially LCMM and the tip of the boat in MHWGO.

[Alex_Incognito]

I can't sit all the way through those shows without pausing.

 

But the earlier shows I can't get enough of. The songs of "LTAL" and "FIY" are very dated now.

[Frozen_Phoenix]

As far as i am concerned, there are some things I can't agree with the critics:

1. connection with the audience -have you seen anything from KRAKOW on youtube? then see it and afterwards you may say whatever you want;] I mean that it depends much on the audience itself how the connection is going to be.The second factor is the shape, the general type of the stage, as it has been mentioned by someone already.

2. Someone said the choice of the Queen is an example of her bad taste -I feel offended. the world woulnd not be the same without "we are the champions" and "we will rock you" and "the show must go on".You may hate Freddie and Queen, but this is a pure truth, that anybody can deny.

Also - in Krakow we had an outdoor stage, but it worked perfectly for the show:) There were no technical hitches, and the sound was so good that I could hardly distinguish whether she sang live or not(the other reason for that was the fact that we screamed and sang along with her through all the show:)And - she did the speech but not the same she performed everywhere. Also she did not seemed to be waiting for the end of the show.But i can't tell anything else, because i have attended only one show, I saw her for the first time, so it also must have strongly affected my opinion:)

 

Sez

 

Well it depends so much on the crowd? Hopefully you don't wanna say that the people from Poland was the only crowd that was really enthusiastic. I think her connection to the French audience is much deeper and anyway a star should be able to build up a connection with any crowd, right? I can understand that the people in Tokyo behave differently when they stand in front of celine to the people in France but Japan also differs far more from Poland than Poland differs from France.

 

Well and the lipping issue is not really solved with "I could hardly distinguish whether she sang live or not" ^^° You shouldn't need to distinguish at all because you should be able to rely on her singing 95% of the show live.

 

Do you wanna ruin her reputation and career? Believe me she is a big girl and a few reporters asking her about the lipping thing won't destroy her career forever.

 

I so can not understand those people who are always like "Oh, let's stop talking about .... because it won't change anything". I really think that is a wearing pink sun glasses attitude.

If you don't wanna critizice then just don't but do not always critizice those who do not agree with everything.

Edited July 17, 2008 at 05:50 AM by Frozen_Phoenix

[Jacqui]

I'm not "wearing pink sunglasses." I certainly don't agree with everything Celine does!

I simply think it's better to state negative opinions, and then move on, rather than spending hours dwelling on negative stuff. I'm not trying to criticize you guys, but it does get annoying that there are like, a billion topics about this.

And I think it's fine if interviewers ask her about it, I just don't think it's very nice for fans to wish scandals on her!

[Davey84]

well I am also sick and tired about the lipping issue, but Céline is the reason why we keep coming back on it! She doesn't need it, so why does she do it? Does she want to? Is she 'forced' (rené: oh Céline people expect to hear the song just on the cd... use a backup track), or worse does she need it?? If 95% of the show is live, we would have had no complaints, or less complaints if the pre recorded tracks were new and not from AND!

 

I don't think it will ruin her carreer, although of course 'lipping' for the biggest selling, best female singer in the world is of course not good publicity (back in '99 there was also a little clash between céline and one of her band members... he said céline 'uses plackback from time to time', I'm not sure how it ended, but I believe he later retracted his statement. but I guess they haven't learned a thing from that )

 

I just wish her concerts would be more like pré 1996; not the biggest selling singer on stage, but the biggest best singing singer again

 

btw may I remind you that I graded this tour 8.5/10

[MartinMunich]

well I am also sick and tired about the lipping issue, but Céline is the reason why we keep coming back on it! She doesn't need it, so why does she do it? Does she want to? Is she 'forced' (rené: oh Céline people expect to hear the song just on the cd... use a backup track), or worse does she need it?? If 95% of the show is live, we would have had no complaints, or less complaints if the pre recorded tracks were new and not from AND!

 

I don't think it will ruin her carreer, although of course 'lipping' for the biggest selling, best female singer in the world is of course not good publicity (back in '99 there was also a little clash between céline and one of her band members... he said céline 'uses plackback from time to time', I'm not sure how it ended, but I believe he later retracted his statement. but I guess they haven't learned a thing from that )

 

I just wish her concerts would be more like pré 1996; not the biggest selling singer on stage, but the biggest best singing singer again

 

btw may I remind you that I graded this tour 8.5/10

 

I ´wouldn´t mind seeing the biggest selling female artist perform in style... not much needed, just do it classy - I think the perfect expample was her LTAL-Tour - she was at the very height of her career, with single and album being number one almost everywhere, and boy, this show was MINDBLOWING.

Bombastic, but still intense - i remember the critics going crazy about her cover of "Tears in heaven" describing it as pure magic - we have one very critical paper that usually sacks "mainstream artists" - even this one gave her one the best reviews ever written in that paper. This years concert was not even mentioned.

That was purely Celine - big voice, big heart, und you could tell that she is loving every second on stage. The music was fresh at that time, the show, the stage, the production was just perfect.

 

Where has all this magic gone? The passion, the quality she is known for?

 

12-year old playbacks, same old arrangements, even doing her biggest hit in playback and a very very weird setlist performed on a country fair stage.

 

I don´t wish anything bad for anybody, but I think the playback thing should go out to the press and should be a major scandal - maybe this starts some sort of healing process for her.

 

I can´t help but have the feeling that she is somehow forced to do things she does not want to do just because Rene thinks it is the right thing - it all started with this Vegas-thing. There is this one moment on the DVD that is really eye-opening - one time when she said in the Interview that she was not into this Vegas-Project anymore and she didn´t wanna move on but Rene told her that there is too much money involved. So she had to do it.

 

I think Vegas - though it might have been a success financially - kicked her out of the industry a bit. After her extremelly successfull LTAL-tour, after all the hits, she went to Vegas, and this is where the disaster startet, artistically.

This hugely announced world tour was a cheap Vegas thing, as someone said before.

Edited July 17, 2008 at 08:34 AM by MartinMunich

[Jacqui]

I don't think it will ruin her carreer, although of course 'lipping' for the biggest selling, best female singer in the world is of course not good publicity (back in '99 there was also a little clash between céline and one of her band members... he said céline 'uses plackback from time to time', I'm not sure how it ended, but I believe he later retracted his statement. but I guess they haven't learned a thing from that )

 

 

Oh really? I didn't know about that.

Btw, has she ever personally spoke about whether she uses playback or not? Cuz while I don't care that she uses it, if she's gonna use it and then lie about it...I think that's just wrong. You have to at least be prepared to admit that you've done it...

[sezamka]

Well it depends so much on the crowd? Hopefully you don't wanna say that the people from Poland was the only crowd that was really enthusiastic. [..]and anyway a star should be able to build up a connection with any crowd, right? I can understand that the people in Tokyo behave differently when they stand in front of celine to the people in France but Japan also differs far more from Poland than Poland differs from France.

Have I said so? I have said - that i am sure that much, much depends on the crowd, because i have seen on youtube other her shows and I have been in Krakow on her show and that is why I think so. In Krakow she would definitely behave differently if the audience were different. Imagine you are a star, you do your best , but you see people just staring at you and clapping after each song:D what can you do? it's normal, that you change your attitude and also it's hard to persuade someone to do what he/she doesn't feel like doing, you can't catch a connection, when the crowd doesn't seem like expecting this;> (krakow was an example!)

Whatever country it is, whatever singer it is, it is the crowd that is a part of the show. I am far from telling anybody that polish crowd was the best and all that is polish is the best, hahahaha i just wanted to say what i said -that the crowd should participate in show too, because it makes the atmosphere nicer.

Well and the lipping issue is not really solved with "I could hardly distinguish whether she sang live or not" ^^° You shouldn't need to distinguish at all because you should be able to rely on her singing 95% of the show live.

:Ddefinitely:D

Edited July 17, 2008 at 10:12 AM by sezamka

[freakyali]

I saw her three times during this tour 'til now, probably I'll go to one USA's concert too.

Amsterdam was my first and I have to admit that I don't remember it perfectly. I was so touched, happy, I couldn't believe I was really there and for these reasons I don't remember everything about that night. It "just" made me fall more in love with her than what I already was, and that night - 5 minuts after the end of the show - I decided to see her again in Munich.

That was my second concert, probably the best. First row, right in the middle of the stage (and end-stage). I loved everything about that night. I felt her extremely in contact with the public and ... with me. I don't know why but she was looking at me almost evey song - I was touching the sky!

The last concert I've seen was in Milan: amazing! She was finallt back in Italy after 12 years!!!

I do agree with who said that the contact she creates with the crowd depends a lot on the crowd itself. We were all gettin' crazy when she came on stage, and she enjoyed it! We all (fans and Céline) had a great time those two hours!

 

I would have loved to hear all the songs live (also because the tickets weren't that cheap!), but I don't care so much ...

You're right when you say that is not ok to say "She did a really great job with this song, let her lip the next one", ... she Is one of the greatest singers in the world and she should show it in every single note. I don't say that she dind't in the songs she sang, but ...

 

I dind't pay too much attention to the dancers, the lights or any other thing connected with the show. I couldn't take away my eyes from her.

 

I would give this tour a 9/10, just because it wasn't all in all perfect ... but I did love every single moment anyway!

I'd love to turn back time and live this last month over and over again. I would pay all the money I paid again, even more if it's necessary.

I can't wait to see her again and live another dream!

That's what I lived the last month: a dream!!!

Edited July 17, 2008 at 10:15 AM by freakyali

[Prince Whiskers]

If Celine had to sing everything live, there'd a different set of complaints: why only 60 shows instead of 120, why only 15 songs instead of 25, why $1000 per ticket instead of $500?

[MartinMunich]

If Celine had to sing everything live, there'd a different set of complaints: why only 60 shows instead of 120, why only 15 songs instead of 25, why $1000 per ticket instead of $500?

 

where is the logic behind that statement? why would singing live make the ticket prize go up?

 

she is a singer, no writer or a stage doll like britney - so it is her job to sing live on a concert tour and not fake it.

[Davey84]

I can´t help but have the feeling that she is somehow forced to do things she does not want to do just because Rene thinks it is the right thing - it all started with this Vegas-thing. There is this one moment on the DVD that is really eye-opening - one time when she said in the Interview that she was not into this Vegas-Project anymore and she didn´t wanna move on but Rene told her that there is too much money involved. So she had to do it.

 

guess i'm not the only one who gets an eerie feeling about René and the decisions made since '01

 

 

 

Oh really? I didn't know about that.

Btw, has she ever personally spoke about whether she uses playback or not? Cuz while I don't care that she uses it, if she's gonna use it and then lie about it...I think that's just wrong. You have to at least be prepared to admit that you've done it...

 

I dunno I don't think she ever said anything about it...

 

I dind't pay too much attention to the dancers, the lights or any other thing connected with the show. I couldn't take away my eyes from her.

 

[Prince Whiskers]

If Celine had to sing everything live, there'd a different set of complaints: why only 60 shows instead of 120, why only 15 songs instead of 25, why $1000 per ticket instead of $500?

 

where is the logic behind that statement? why would singing live make the ticket prize go up?

 

You're not paying attention. 100% live would mean fewer shows and consequently, higher ticket prices.

[Jacqui]

How exactly can Rene force Celine to do something she doesn't want to do? He's always made the decisions about her career, from the time she was 12...but if Celine really didn't want to do something, surely she could put her foot down and just refuse to do it, right? I mean, what's he gonna do, throw her onto the stage and demand that she sing? I doubt it. I think she just really trusts his judgement and always have. She ended up saying she was glad that she did the vegas show, anyway.

[zoea2812]

I think it is a shame if Rene is forcing her to do stuff she is not happy with. Celine should be Rene's first priority not money

[Prince Whiskers]

"Rene is the only person I listen to without questioning anything."

 

So she said back in the 90's. I wonder if this is still strictly the case.

[MartinMunich]

If Celine had to sing everything live, there'd a different set of complaints: why only 60 shows instead of 120, why only 15 songs instead of 25, why $1000 per ticket instead of $500?

 

where is the logic behind that statement? why would singing live make the ticket prize go up?

 

You're not paying attention. 100% live would mean fewer shows and consequently, higher ticket prices.

 

i did pay attention - but first i doubt that five more live songs would lead into fewer shows done, and i doubt that fewer shows would necessarily lead into higher ticket prices (which are one the highest out there anyways) - what more can you charge? the german concerts were half empty already... and considering the costs she has for her outdoor shows..they are close to zero. hiring local country fair stages does not cost that much.

 

the high ticket prices are not a result of the high expenses they have caused by travelling with equipment or so on or the production costs - even the indoor show is not that fancy or as huge as others do shows these days - it is because Rene is banking and banking and banking....

[Jacqui]

"Rene is the only person I listen to without questioning anything."

 

So she said back in the 90's. I wonder if this is still strictly the case.

 

You know what, I think she does question things. Because when Rene-Charles was born, her priorites changed, and as we all know, her career and being a Mother became competing interests in her life. Of course there's gonna be conflict. She's married to her manager and it's probably difficult for him at times to seperate those two roles. It doesn't mean he's a bad person though, as some people are making him out to be I dunno, it makes me sad when fans have such negative thoughts.

[Davey84]

well you can't have positive thoughts, if you don't know what negatives are!

I'm sure Céline is very happy with René the father, but I don't know if she is that extremely happy anymore about René the 'usband/manager

Edited July 17, 2008 at 12:32 PM by Davey84