Celine Dion Voice Changes

[isurrender]

First you say that doing so many shows harms her voice but in the same breath you say that she uses a lot of playback. Playback doesn't harm her voice!

 

Playback can harm somebody's voice actually. Vocal chords are muscles and need to be trained. And they get used to singing a song if you sing it all the time.

 

Céline even said that in her biography : the more you sing a song the easier it gets to belt it out.

 

Playback can do harm to vocal chords because you're not used to sing anymore.

 

On the other hand, I don't know the point when we can state a voice is not in a good shape because you use it too much or because you don't use it. And Céline's vocal habits since "A new day" have been clearly unbalanced: that's a complete contradiction. She only uses her "real" voice during album recordings (meaning every 4-5 years !). The last time she uses it for a real live vocal performance was "L'hymne à l'amour" : her voice was powerful and clear but imperfect because she had not trained her chords to sing so "openly" for years (that's for the part "she doesn't use her voice) but beside that she has so many ( too many! ) performances polluted with tricks ( nasal sounds, closed mouth etc...) to preserve her voice. Well, that's what we think...but there's no use to save your voice ...if you don't use it (that's for the part " she sings too much").

 

Céline's actual schedule is insane. She didn't do that much during her prime when she was in her 20-30s and the world to her was her voice!

 

I might repeating myself but her voice never sounded that bad. Never. And it has been lasting since october. Now people are asking for rest while her schedule till next year is known : she's in Vegas, we're 1 month away from the tour, then back to Vegas, recording the english album ( and everyone is asking for a summer single to promote during the tour! ) and all the promo it involves upon its release.

 

I really don't know how she's gonna vocally handle all this ( with playback I guess ...just like she did a few months back when she replaced the few high notes she had left in Vegas - the end of MYWGO/ABM/SMGO).

This is really going nowhere. That doesn't make any sense, what's the point of all this if you're not able to do it?

Is it all for money or what?

Even from a ego singer point of view: what does she feel ? Is she worried? What does it feel like to be one of the greatest singers and not being able to sustain ONE difficult note anymore?

 

I guess if Whitney and Mariah overcame this loss. Céline can too.

 

Oh wait! She has something else in her life now , far more important : fashion , dresses and Law.

[jpatdeleon09]

Her A New Day vocals... It's so clear! I don't know if the speakers but it sounds so stable/consistent, so clear, the music. I think the sound is greater here in this show than her current show. In her current show, I don't know if they put an effects that sounds like she's singing in a tube

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcPv2eQyfNc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRv6oLsSusI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhfdBwjiCyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEIosYqxNB8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-VGvUIA6l4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZ8wTfj4Mg

[jpatdeleon09]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUdfwVQu8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZbaeRwuoeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QArSIN841-A

[jpatdeleon09]

[Javito]

I really don't know how she's gonna vocally handle all this ( with playback I guess ...just like she did a few months back when she replaced the few high notes she had left in Vegas - the end of MYWGO/ABM/SMGO).

This is really going nowhere. That doesn't make any sense, what's the point of all this if you're not able to do it?

Is it all for money or what?

Even from a ego singer point of view: what does she feel ? Is she worried? What does it feel like to be one of the greatest singers and not being able to sustain ONE difficult note anymore?

 

I guess if Whitney and Mariah overcame this loss. Céline can too.

 

Oh wait! She has something else in her life now , far more important : fashion , dresses and Law.

 

Now you see??

 

I don't want to say it that way, but when they agreed to do another tour this year (just after having done one last year) and especially, when they kept adding extra dates to the tour, coming back and forth to the same venues a month later etc... I see anything but an inexplicable greed to exploit her more and more

 

1) There was no need to do a new tour this year (she has no album to promote! No new music! )

 

2) She just did a tour last year, so again there wasn't need for another tour so soon this year.

 

3) And last but not least, she doesn't need more workload to her already busy schedule.

 

And of course, next year when that supposed new English album is released, everyone is going to demand her first to do a promotional tour and then another new live tour, the sooner the better. But hey, here is when this tour should have happened naturally, not any moment before!...

 

All these points lead me to the same absurd question: does she need the money? Of course you know this is out of the question, but then, who the hell is forcing her to wear out her voice, when she knows that she's taking it to the limit due to this crazy incessant amout of shows per year?

 

Yes, we learnt Céline is such an active person and that the stage keeps her busy and alive during this period of grieving, but she has also said many times during her career that she is such a perfectionist artist (as she describes herself), so doesn't she realise that giving so many shows now is just going against her voice and the quality of her performances? Isn't this contradictory with her attitude and what she stands for?

 

To me there's no logical explanation other than her team is exploiting the goose that laid the golden eggs here... They have exploited her in Vegas and she is still exploited, no matter she agrees with this marathonian pace of work or not... Until the machine breaks down!

Edited May 13, 2017 at 01:48 PM by Javito

[jpatdeleon09]

I think she's not yet healed with what happened the previous year. She wants to be busy to forget? Edited May 13, 2017 at 01:47 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Javito]

I think she's not yet healed with what happened the previous year. She wants to be busy to forget?

 

It's possible. But wearing out her voice and performing shows to the limit is the best way to do it?

 

Before the new English album is released, besides the corresponding tour to support that album some people here are already demanding her to do next year the Asian tour she cancelled a few years ago. Are we crazy???

Edited May 13, 2017 at 01:55 PM by Javito

[jpatdeleon09]

It's possible. But wearing out her voice and performing shows to the limit is the best way to do it?

 

Before the new English album is released, besides the corresponding tour to support that album some people here are already demanding her to do next year the Asian tour she cancelled a few years ago. Are we crazy???

 

I think céline learned her lesson back in A New Day show where she performs like every night per week. As we can see the numbers in her current shows were decreased.

 

Maybe some were right that she needs proper training again. Her dictions, Closed Throat singing (i don't what happened) i think the new vocal coach is not great for her. Bring back the old one, Not talking for 2 weeks, having a break would do. Her singing now i feel she's not that relax now..

 

I think stop with the "Oh no! We don't want to disappoint the fans. The Show Must Go On"

Edited May 13, 2017 at 02:24 PM by jpatdeleon09

[angelil78]

 

Even from a ego singer point of view: what does she feel ? Is she worried? What does it feel like to be one of the greatest singers and not being able to sustain ONE difficult note anymore?

 

 

 

I agree with some of what you said, but this, nope! She can sing difficult notes. To say she can't do ONE difficult not is too much!

 

 

 

Lately we have been seeing lot of Céline singing in the streets, museums, tv shows (in interview) and I seriously enjoy her voice. Has it changed sure it has. It always do with age. Do I think she isn't trying as hard as she did before, yes I do think so. But she has said it so many times that she is more relaxed now and is singing now because she wants to, not because she needs to. Maybe she wants to have a more relaxed voice and not having to take breaks from speaking for days to keep her voice.

And if she looses some fans because of that, because she is maybe finally enjoying what she is doing, then good! There are still plenty of people who like what she is doing and like her voice. As long as Céline is happy and is pleased with her voice and singing. She might even continue to sing longer because of this.

 

And for her schedule, yes it's a lot lot and I do think she needs a break. I think this is a coping mechanism for her. She will slow down at some point. And then we will have complaints about why she isn't working, releasing stuff, doing concerts, shows.. interviews. She can never make everyone happy.

[isurrender]

She can sing difficult notes. To say she can't do ONE difficult not is too much!

 

So please...name ONE.

[Javito]

I think céline learned her lesson back in A New Day show where she performs like every night per week. As we can see the numbers in her current shows were decreased.

 

Maybe some were right that she needs proper training again. Her dictions, Closed Throat singing (i don't what happened) i think the new vocal coach is not great for her. Bring back the old one, Not talking for 2 weeks, having a break would do. Her singing now i feel she's not that relax now..

 

I think stop with the "Oh no! We don't want to disappoint the fans. The Show Must Go On"

 

There's no way she's going to spend 2 weeks without talking and being a mother of three children, two of them little children still

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

There's no way she's going to spend 2 weeks without talking and being a mother of three children, two of them little children still

 

Hmmmm Don't talk too much? Hahaha

[DionFanAlways]

I don't know if this is going to make too much sense but like it or not she is in show business and show business is a business of smoke and mirrors. Like it or not playback is "trickery", I put that in quotes because, yes, it's still her voice, but not live. You pay mucho, mucho money for that "trickery!" At least I do..... I do not want to start seeing her exposed! I fear that will happen.

 

At least her "mirror" is very polished, cracks and all!

[Celinefan1993]

Isn't this about training? Or can this be to "protect " her voice from the excessive concerts?

 

Yes, it is about training. As I said earlier in this topic: A lot of things what she's doing right now with her voice, isn't that good. This can be solved with proper training: Back to basic, the first steps and this doesn't mean that you have to sing 2 hours a day. With a proper training of 30/45 minutes a day, or once in two days, you can keep your voice healthy plus, it's going to get used to be used. Control the breath/diaphragm, clear diction, relaxation of the tongue, try to aim for mask resonance, neutral larynx, feel the free feeling when you are singing, those are several starting points when you want to sing. She all had this, even when she had a heck of a period in 2009-2011. Rehearsing a complete show in 3 months is incredibly crazy to do but, at least she sounded much more clear then she does now. In my honest opinion, she needs to know how to work with her voice properly in this stage. All of her songs are lying in the midbelt range (F4-E5) and I will repeat again: Those were her strongest parts of her vocal ability. I'd rather have good, powerful, resonant belts instead of trying to go as high as you can.

 

Even in this 18:28 she seems better not with a deep tone (maybe coz the age) and wider sound https://youtu.be/fg8jxlT3TE0

 

To me this sounds more like a vocal fatigue. Although her voice was changing at that moment.

[Celinefan1993]

She should get her old vocal coach. They changed her vocal coach.. back in 2015 when Aldo is the new manager.

 

Agree! But then again, I really want to know what her current vocal coach is doing with her right now. What do they train, what kind of things does she do... With only the basic practices like warming up the voice, doesn't train the voice.

 

I agree with some of what you said, but this, nope! She can sing difficult notes. To say she can't do ONE difficult not is too much!

 

 

It always do with age.

 

Do I think she isn't trying as hard as she did before, yes I do think so. But she has said it so many times that she is more relaxed now and is singing now because she wants to, not because she needs to. Maybe she wants to have a more relaxed voice and not having to take breaks from speaking for days to keep her voice.

And if she looses some fans because of that, because she is maybe finally enjoying what she is doing, then good! There are still plenty of people who like what she is doing and like her voice. As long as Céline is happy and is pleased with her voice and singing. She might even continue to sing longer because of this.

 

And for her schedule, yes it's a lot lot and I do think she needs a break. I think this is a coping mechanism for her. She will slow down at some point. And then we will have complaints about why she isn't working, releasing stuff, doing concerts, shows.. interviews. She can never make everyone happy.

 

I'm sorry to say but, I have to disagree with you also on some points. In a few earlier posts I explained some things (par example about age) and yes, age does decline the natural range of a voice. But, if you take REALLY good care for your voice, it will maintain. Listen to Barbara, Tina Turner, Shirley Bassey par example. Their ranges have declined but, overall they sound exactly the same like they (with all of my respect) at least 40 years back. So, it's not only the age.

 

When she wants to have a relaxed voice, she certainly may not go on this way with it how she's working with it now. It does not relax the way she sings now... Eventually, if she really loves the things she does (which I believe we all know she does), then she has to be careful. If she is going to continue this way, I won't believe that she's going to be able to make it till 2022 (Vegas contract) without making a lot of use of pre-recorded samples. The tours, Vegas concerts, new album, (tv) promotions and so on will take a toll on her voice if she doesn't take care for it right now. At this point, I really miss René. Allthough he has made her work really hard, he did know when to take a step back and give the right advice at the right moments. He knew Céline so well...

[Celinefan1993]

Her A New Day vocals... It's so clear! I don't know if the speakers but it sounds so stable/consistent, so clear, the music. I think the sound is greater here in this show than her current show. In her current show, I don't know if they put an effects that sounds like she's singing in a tube

 

She sounds AMAZING in those vid's. Thanks for sharing. Hadn't seen this yet. Listen to the power in her voice and RDMH.. Hell yeah

[TiagoFragoso05]

Gosh, this was from tonight's concert seems really strange https://instagram.com/p/BUD57xnFRvQ/

 

 

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[isurrender]

But, if you take REALLY good care for your voice, it will maintain. Listen to Barbara, Tina Turner, Shirley Bassey par example. Their ranges have declined but, overall they sound exactly the same like they (with all of my respect) at least 40 years back. So, it's not only the age.

 

With all respect to those ladies, and maybe exaggerating a bit, all what they did the last 20 years together represents maybe 70% of what Céline did all alone(concerts, promotion and travels).

 

So please... it's so easy to sound as fresh as many years ago if you sit on the couch all year long...

 

Admitting she has lost a lot of her abilities the last few years is one thing but it doesn't need to make us forget what she's been through or what she's done. Maybe she didn't give the "right" priorities to protect her voice but we are only fans behind screens.

 

I just hope she recovers...but I don't know when she will get time to do so.

[neocshs]

I think that, as Mariah did "recover" from her way to messy voice shape back in 2014, Céline still has the chance to get better. The main problem is likely to be the absence of a honest person whom René used to be: I remember that back in 2012 Céline cancelled 5 months of shows for some kind of problems, and right before then the jazz festival had happened, and she had such a strong voice! Céline must have lost interest in the state of her voice because she might prefer to stay busy rather than practising and resting at home. Maybe, but it's just speculation, by 2020 she'll be fine again if the current abuse is not going to affect permanently her voice and, most importantly,if she acknowledges what she is capable of now and not what she used to be.

[jpatdeleon09]

i wonder if céline,her band and her backup singers discuss her current voice during rehearsals or meetings..

[nuts2you]

I like to know that question my self

[isurrender]

So what do you guys think of Céline's current voice?

 

I've been watching a lot of youtube videos lately and I have to say I tend to reconsider some of her performances ( especially during the TC and LMBTL area) I found bad back then.

 

And it's kinda hard to know the truth (about technique etc..) , I like to read comments as well but it's a mess. Some are praising, some are bashing ...

 

And as we are heading to 2018, I 've been feeling nostalgic: she's gonna turn 50 !

 

Her prime is behind her. When the facebook page announced a big powerful ballad on her new album, I was so excited. But now I don't believe it. Because I simple don't have any previous example of female singer belting out like crazy at that age.

 

I thought that the succession of the trinity would be Christina Aguilera but ...it's been ages she hasn't delivered a good performance ( and have you heard her Whitney Houston tribute? So painful!).

 

It seems that Céline isn't doing any interviews anymore... I would love hearing her talking about her voice now like she used to. I remember that interview some years ago for a newspaper when she said she won't be able to sing some songs anymore... and lately, she hinted that voices change ( this summer in Quebec while attending the release part of I don't remember who...).

[jpatdeleon09]

The changes that i noticed are

 

- When singing, in some parts her voice automatically yodels (like she can't control it)

 

- When belting it's thinner compared before

 

- Her "O" when belting is getting weaker and becoming "Uh" (Listen to "Ma Faille" the "O" part before the chorus then, compare it to "Alone")

 

- Her english changed too (even the mimi fans noticed that)

 

- And sometimes i feel like she always in a rush when singing compared before... her singing was so relaxed.

 

- And i think her vocals are dry now i think they need to do something about it.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2017 at 10:24 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Javito]

Her voice changes fastly with more frequence and it's more noticeable now each year, whereas some years ago you could say she had the same voice as 5 years ago.

 

I watched the whole "Les plaines" 2008 show the past week, and when I thought back then that her voice was bad in that show, compared to previous years, now I was amazed and delighted, comparing that 2008 voice with her current voice. Don't tell me that's just aging. I know voice changes with age, but there's only so much a voice can change when you cross your 40s and until your 70s or even further. With Céline it's not only age, it's a continuous, marathonian exposure of non-stop years of performing, except when she's been pregnant that she stopped. Besides these two stops in her career, she's been always either touring, or since 2003, singing in Vegas on a yearly basis. And now we have tours every year. Fans will never stop demanding, and she won't stop performing, it's a vicious circle, and of course it shows on her voice.

 

Add to this that she doesn't train her vocal chords as she used to, and we get the tiredness we have today.

 

Thank God that during this 2017 it was in better condition and it didn't get tired as it happened in 2016, but we can't deny the deep low tone it has acquired and the fatigue with some songs (though it is still unclear if this is because her voice is really tired or is SHE herself who is sick of singing the same certain songs over and over again, so then the boredom shows).

 

There's also some nasality showing too. And her increasing resort to playback, mixing live parts with playback segments within the same songs is also worrying

 

I never agreed with her doing so many shows and tours now on a yearly basis. She not only gives time to her voice to rest, but also she doesn't ever give herself a break mentally to regain some passion and feeling to sing again the same songs for the millionth time. Doing tours every year now doesn't help to achieve this.

 

But hey, who are we to judge. I still think there's some pressure behind her to keep performing at the pace she is performing, because she has a lot of people at her back working for her. But that's her choice, whether to give performances like a machine or slow down a bit.

Edited December 23, 2017 at 10:28 AM by Javito

[isurrender]

Indeed , I think that back in 2008 I thought her voice was in a bad shape but it was good.

 

Still I think her voice is better now than in 2013.

[GoldenLeaf]

Indeed , I think that back in 2008 I thought her voice was in a bad shape but it was good.

 

Still I think her voice is better now than in 2013.

Her voice was in excellent shape back in early 2008 but started to decline in Mid-2008. I don’t think she could have nailed MHWGO 100% live back in august/september 2008 wheras she nailed it last summer (especially her MHWGO performance in Nice with the great clear high notes).

Edited December 25, 2017 at 07:45 PM by GoldenLeaf

[Celine Fan 77]

Her voice was in excellent shape back in early 2008 but started to decline in Mid-2008. I don't think she could have nailed MHWGO 100% live back in august/september 2008 wheras she nailed it last summer (especially her MHWGO performance in Nice with the great clear high notes).

 

You're right, her vocals on My Heart Will Go On in Nice were crystal clear, but my personal favorite performance of that song from last Summer's tour is definitely the final one in Glasgow.

 

I remember watching most of the concert live on Facebook and being shocked by how she played with certain parts of the song, specially from 04:04 to the end

 

[wyvernmaster]

This was what a vocal maestro (who is trained in the true bel canto technique) had to say about Celine's recording of O Holy Night:

 

"This is a very interesting recording for several reasons. Regardless of technical things in the voice that could be better, mainly because she went to a teacher who was not great at a certain point in her career, you can hear a couple of things.

 

First, as I have often stated, depth/scuro/darkness is in opposition to nasality. While this teacher had her go nasal, the thing that saved her voice in the long run is that when she sings out fully she blares it out with depth and the nasality disappears.

 

Secondly, as Tom observed and said while watching her, "she is very musical."

 

Third, she doesn't try to sound fake singing. Just a natural sound. Lastly, she can actually sustain a note with vibrato which is lacking in non-classical singers today."

 

Tom LoMonaco was one of the last great opera singers and he complimented her!

 

Celine was fantastic during her earlier years (early '90s). Yes, she was nasal and still is but when she sings it out, there is no sign of nasality. When she was younger, her larynx was low to neutral, and her belts are open and connected to her core chest, indicating good engagement of thyroarytenoid (TA) muscle. Now, you can hear wear and tear in her voice when she reaches the high notes using twang and mask resonance, both of which are very damaging. The thing that saves her voice a lot is her strong foundation from her earlier years. All the vocal coaches from then only further damaged her voice.

[jpatdeleon09]

That’s why she should change her vocal coach now.. I think when they’re doing sessions they just gossip. I like her voice back in 2006-2009. Sounds fuller/thicker but they change her vocal coach back in 2014 when Aldo was still her manager Edited June 18, 2020 at 10:44 AM by jpatdeleon09

[AdrienneM]

That’s why she should change her vocal coach now.. I think when they’re doing sessions they just gossip. I like her voice back in 2006-2009. Sounds fuller/thicker but they change her vocal coach back in 2014 when Aldo was still her manager

 

You do realise her voice just changed with age right? And if anything to me her voice is richer now than it was before. Also, I’m glad she changed her vocal coach as whatever they were telling her to do was wrong, she sounded constantly exhausted, nasal and even congested, her belts weren’t as full either, if you compare say Think Twice from the TCWT to now it’s extremely evident that even now her voice is more powerful than it was on that tour