"I Am: Celine Dion" documentary - Official Topic

[tshlw]

The first GHG biography had an absurdly infomercial tone, I agree - though there was actually a lot of interesting content under all the PR fluff. It goes into more detail about the early lives of both Celine and Rene then any other source I'm aware of, and also had a tremendous amount of detail about the life on tour during the FIY tour. Honestly, I think it needed way more editing to be a book that flowed well, but as a massive Celine fan, I like having all that detail.

 

The second GHG biography, My Story, My Dream, is written in Celine's voice, and it sounds much more like her. I'm sure it's carefully curated the way that most of her public stuff is, but there's still a lot in it that seemed really genuine. I thought she came off a little sheltered and naïve in parts of that book, but at that point in her life (2000), I think that's part of who she was. Anyway, MSMD is my favorite of the biographies because it's in her voice, and at its heart, it's the love story of Celine and Rene.

 

I agree when I was thinking about the books was more thinking about MSMD then the first book. So yes I can see where the first one is little more a PR book then MSMD which is also my favorite with For Keeps a close second.

[comingback]

 

 

The first GHG biography had an absurdly infomercial tone, I agree - though there was actually a lot of interesting content under all the PR fluff. It goes into more detail about the early lives of both Celine and Rene then any other source I’m aware of, and also had a tremendous amount of detail about the life on tour during the FIY tour. Honestly, I think it needed way more editing to be a book that flowed well, but as a massive Celine fan, I like having all that detail.

 

The second GHG biography, My Story, My Dream, is written in Celine’s voice, and it sounds much more like her. I’m sure it’s carefully curated the way that most of her public stuff is, but there’s still a lot in it that seemed really genuine. I thought she came off a little sheltered and naïve in parts of that book, but at that point in her life (2000), I think that’s part of who she was. Anyway, MSMD is my favorite of the biographies because it’s in her voice, and at its heart, it’s the love story of Celine and Rene.

 

I bought MSMD back in 2001 and it's also my favorite Celine book. And the book cover is gorgeous ❤️.

 

 

[Dreamy]

Hello everyone,

 

Céline has helped tremendously since she shared with the world her illness.

I mean in many ways, Céline has always helped tremendously since the beginning of her career.

We all know about the foundations, benefit concerts, etc.

This documentary is also going to help in all aspects and yes, I also mean in bringing in money.

I can only say that she always has good intentions and I think we all know how she is and how she has behaved so far during her whole career.

[maki_Dion-er]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the first trailer/release date for this documentary could air during the Super Bowl this weekend.

I was coming to say just this.

Would be a great move by Amazon to build on the Grammy hype and use the Superbowl viewership to release a trailer or teaser.

 

I really think this documentary could get high viewership. And if well done (I trust in Irene's work quality), maybe even awards.

 

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[scielle]

Would be a great move by Amazon to build on the Grammy hype and use the Superbowl viewership to release a trailer or teaser.

 

For what it’s worth, Variety reported Amazon isn’t running any trailers this year, even for their big tentpoles.

 

Irene Taylor has reposted in her story Celine’s Grammy post… https://www.instagram.com/stories/directorirenetaylor/3297085885182358604?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MTVhNW8wM3l0M3B5NQ==

 

Well, lots of these "Taylor snubgate" articles are mentioning the upcoming doc. I don’t think she’s ever seen this much organic promo for her work!

 

 

 

[A new day...]

Céline has helped tremendously since she shared with the world her illness.

I mean in many ways, Céline has always helped tremendously since the beginning of her career.

We all know about the foundations, benefit concerts, etc.

This documentary is also going to help in all aspects and yes, I also mean in bringing in money.

I can only say that she always has good intentions and I think we all know how she is and how she has behaved so far during her whole career.

 

I'm pretty sure part of the benefits will go directly to the SPS Research Foundation.

[Zofia]

 

All our individual life experiences shape how we see Celine or how we perceive the things she has or hasn’t said or done.

 

 

Thank you for this calm and friendly dialogue. It seems that Céline led us to purely philosophical considerations and dilemmas And sorry I can't be more concise.

 

Let me clarify my own view: the truth about man (anyone) is not zero-one and he himself is not its depositary. At least since Freud, we have known that what we consciously call "self" resembles the very tip of an iceberg visible in the light, while most of it is submerged in the darkness of the ocean. And at least since Nietzsche, we have known that we are doomed to our own, always fragmented perspective in approaching truth. We are constantly constructing our "self," suppressing many of its elements, hiding and pretending from ourselves, assuming poses and masks, but also maturing and changing over time. In a sense, we have as many faces as we have relationships with others. That's why the "truth about man" also consists of other people's stories: sometimes exposing him, but also showing wonderful qualities that he himself was not aware of. An insightful and empathetic biographer (because we're not talking about pathetic, sensation-chasing, profit-driven journalists) can therefore create a much richer and deeper portrait of a person than the person himself.

 

In the end do we ever get a true picture of any star, I would say no as they want to have a private life and keep some things to themselves. rightly so. As well as keep their image intact.

 

 

- Well, yes, but here we already have to decide whether we are more interested in the complex (always!) truth about a person, or "guarding an intact image". I admit that I am always more interested in finding out the truth: the contradictions and hidden mechanisms that we are sometimes unaware of in our own lives. And celebrities - well, if someone violates their interests or privacy, they always have legal recourse to defend themselves. An example is the high-profile precedent-setting lawsuit that Canadian artist Loreena McKennitt brought against a former friend and collaborator after the latter wrote a biography in which - the star claimed - her privacy had been violated. She won the lawsuit, and the book was withdrawn (the story of the withdrawal by René's decision of the first would-be biography of Céline, penned by Nathalie Jean, is somewhat different, however. But If you don't mind, we'll defer a quiet conversation about René's legacy to another thread. I wouldn't want to be unfair to him by trying to express my doubts - doubts, not suspicions - too briefly now.).

 

 

I can't and I am sure I do project to a degree. I think we all do based on what we most like or find most fascinating about her.

 

I fully agree.

 

 

[she] did not have some huge secret she was hiding

 

- I don't believe that either, for similar reasons as I don't believe in conspiracy theories Reality is usually much more complex than the view that "there is one big secret that they are hiding from us and lying to us."

 

Being from such a huge family that were so much older it makes sense she was more mature in ways for her age.

 

- This is a good example of the contradictions I mentioned, because according to psychologists it seems to be exactly the opposite: the youngest of the siblings do not mature earlier, but later; they stay in the role of children the longest. How did Céline, the spoiled darling of the family, grow up so quickly? Because of his unusually close relationship with her mother? early start of paid work? How and when did it happen that, as the eldest sister says of the youngest, "she is the one who gives the impression of being the oldest among us"? But also: is it a good thing when one matures so early (prematurely?)?

 

We may or may not get the answers we are all seeking from this documentary, time will tell. But I think we can all agree we are happy she is doing so well and hope for her sake she can get back on stage to perform.

 

- I would not have such high expectations from this documentary. If it shows honestly her struggle with the disease, that's enough, and I bow for her priceless courage. May more documentaries and more biographies be made, as long as they bring some new color to her collective portrait, breaking the previous domination of pink. And in terms of wishes for her, we are in agreement, as with all people we wish well: may all those dreams of hers come true that can come true safely without bringing her too much harm.

 

Finally, a self-correction, because I realized that I actually have great expectations from Irene's documentary, only I don't expect it to answer our questions. Perhaps rather that it will force us to ask ourselves new questions? In a class with students, we once recognized that it takes craftsmanship and ethics to produce good non-fiction, and the ethics in a good biography is first and foremost caring attentiveness and humility. This can be encapsulated in two sentences: "Where is your wounding?" and "There is more in you." First of all: you should not expose other people's wounds, you should ask the hero himself about his wounds (even if he is a historical figure). "Where there is a wound, there is a subject," as Roland Barthes wrote. The question "Where do you bleed?" (and we all bleed) is a kind of pact with the protagonist: you show me your vulnerability, and I won't abuse your trust. "There's more in you," on the other hand, is an expression of the humble conviction that "the truth about you" consists of more than you think yourself, and at the same time more than I've managed to tell about you. That you ultimately remain an enigma, like Céline in the title of Denise Bombardier's book. So it's true, I'm counting on Irene's documentary to fulfill both conditions.

 

By the way, I apologize for my English, supported by an automatic translator, which is not up to such topics; in French it would be much easier...

[célinedionfan_16]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the first trailer/release date for this documentary could air during the Super Bowl this weekend.

 

I'm not so sure about this either.. $7 million is the average cost of a 30-second ad spot during the Super Bowl. I'm kind of doubtful they'd spend that much on advertising Celine's documentary.

[Shamrock_1982]

Sony have spent diddly squat on her in recent years and if Aeg and RW are also happy to help out?!

 

Again a huge stab in the dark but then what a platform for it… if a fast food delivery service can do it with two Friends cast members… anything is possible right.

 

If not it’s a missed opportunity after the last two weeks but not the end of the world either

Edited February 7, 2024 at 06:56 PM by Shamrock_1982

[anewdionhascome]

With how things are going, I believe Céline can do cute appearances in promoting the documentary like an exclusive interview, premiere night etc. Excited for the documentary.

[scielle]

Sony have spent diddly squat on her in recent years

 

Well they funded Love Again and this doc. That’s not nothing. Both catalog development projects that require real investment.

But as far as new album promo goes, that depends what her management negotiated in her recording deal. If she has a distro only, no services deal, marketing is not part of the package. (I doubt that’s the case, mind you. More likely a license or profit share.)

[scielle]

With how things are going, I believe Céline can do cute appearances in promoting the documentary like an exclusive interview, premiere night etc.

 

Seems like it!

Also, if not performing, seems like she might actually be in good enough shape to record? If nothing else, she has had plenty of time over these past 4 years to listen to a lot of demos. And it's been (gasp!) nearly 8 years since EUS and 5 since Courage.

[Nmj]

 

 

Seems like it!

Also, if not performing, seems like she might actually be in good enough shape to record? If nothing else, she has had plenty of time over these past 4 years to listen to a lot of demos. And it's been (gasp!) nearly 8 years since EUS and 5 since Courage.

 

I think we could see some American appearances.., I think she’ll do shows like Kelly Clarkson, and The View, but also more serious sit down interviews (which I prefer). Let’s hope her health trend stays the same or gets even better when this doc is released. I’m really wondering when they’ll announce the release date. I’m assuming they’ll hold onto to until the fall when many of those shows are booking guests… as we know many of those shows take summer hiatus.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

Seems like it!

Also, if not performing, seems like she might actually be in good enough shape to record? If nothing else, she has had plenty of time over these past 4 years to listen to a lot of demos. And it's been (gasp!) nearly 8 years since EUS and 5 since Courage.

I would love a new French album. Or a mixed French/English album.

 

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[scielle]

Or a mixed French/English album.

 

Yes! I’ve always wanted this. And it’s more possible now than ever. English is not the dominant language of pop music it once was. And so many people who only know her for the English work don’t even know she sings in French, too. Might be a good way to introduce them.

[mirage]

 

Seems like it!

Also, if not performing, seems like she might actually be in good enough shape to record? If nothing else, she has had plenty of time over these past 4 years to listen to a lot of demos. And it's been (gasp!) nearly 8 years since EUS and 5 since Courage.

 

I seriously had to look up the release date for EUS, since it doesn't feel like 8 years ago. But unfortunately you were right haha. Damn 8 years already!

 

But yes for a french/English album.

There is not even just 1 French song on any of her English albums.

They have to come up with some good writers and producers to make it a coherent album since both her repertoire are so different from each other.

 

Since that latest statement about the documentary talked about 'spending time in the recording studio' you might think that would be recent footage.

We all know LA was a recent recording but who knows what they have in store for us with this documentary release.

 

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Edited February 9, 2024 at 08:12 AM by mirage

[CelinesDIVO5]

I like the idea of a French/English album. I think it would even be fun to take songs from her catalog and flip them. English to French, French to English.

[zuv]

 

Is this legit?

[dawn]

 

Is this legit?

 

No, fan made.

[rfkavanagh]

 

Is this legit?

 

Given the grammatical errors and the font choices, I'd certainly hope not...

[Alex_Incognito]

When Barbra Streisand put out her last TV special on Netflix, Netflix also placed 4 or 5 of her TV specials on the platform for a limited time. Wouldn't it be great if they put "The Colour of My Love" concert , "Live in Memphis", and something else. Edited February 9, 2024 at 02:45 PM by Alex_Incognito

[rodrigofreitas]

I would love a new French album. Or a mixed French/English album.

 

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Great idea! A new album with new french and english songs called: I'm: Céline Dion.

[comingback]

When Barbra Streisand put out her last TV special on Netflix, Netflix also placed 4 or 5 of her TV specials on the platform for a limited time. Wouldn't it be great if they put "The Colour of My Love" concert , "Live in Memphis", and something else.

 

At the moment, Amazon Prime have the TC Tour concert and the USF concert. The other concerts and a new concert (Courage Tour) would be amazing.

Edited February 9, 2024 at 04:00 PM by comingback

[scielle]

At the moment, Amazon Prime have the TC Tour concert and the USF concert. The other concerts and a new concert (Courage Tour) would be amazing.

 

Well, surely they filmed Courage, they always do. And since the tour had been scrapped, it’s not like releasing that footage is going to eat into any ticketing revenue.

 

 

[scielle]

Not specific to the Céline project, but a sobering article about the glut of formulaic pop star documentaries out there at the moment -

https://www.vulture.com/article/music-documentary-long-live-montero-miss-americana.html

[Zofia]

Not specific to the Céline project, but a sobering article about the glut of formulaic pop star documentaries out there at the moment -

https://www.vulture....-americana.html

 

"These docs make fame seem like torture. Paparazzi, loss of privacy, the challenge of staying sane while satisfying expectations — it’s enough to make a celebrity weep."

 

The irony is biting and fair.

And to think that it's "thanks to illness" that the weight of the genre of a documentary on Céline can protect her from this self-congratulatory series...

[célinedionfan_16]

I seriously had to look up the release date for EUS, since it doesn't feel like 8 years ago. But unfortunately you were right haha. Damn 8 years already!

 

But yes for a french/English album.

There is not even just 1 French song on any of her English albums.

They have to come up with some good writers and producers to make it a coherent album since both her repertoire are so different from each other.

 

Since that latest statement about the documentary talked about 'spending time in the recording studio' you might think that would be recent footage.

We all know LA was a recent recording but who knows what they have in store for us with this documentary release.

 

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What about Les Cloches du hameau on TASP, Brahms' Lullaby (ok 1/2 French) on Miracle and TASP, Immensité on TC and the Intro on Celine Dion lol? But I 100% agree for the French/English album!!

[rfkavanagh]

What about Les Cloches du hameau on TASP, Brahms' Lullaby (ok 1/2 French) on Miracle and TASP, Immensité on TC and the Intro on Celine Dion lol? But I 100% agree for the French/English album!!

 

Immensité on Taking Chances? What edition was that?

[jmiracle]

 

 

Immensité on Taking Chances? What edition was that?

 

It’s on the French version of the Taking Chances single

[rodrigofreitas]

Immensité on Taking Chances? What edition was that?

 

This one. I have this one in CD. And is on YoutubeMusic

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mND2C0gvjBKT81eBI0aDvVxXDdpXcs76Q