"Lying Down" - Official Topic

[Celinelife]

The video was shot, edited and ready to be released until she got ill around promo time in November 2019 and the video was then left to one side.

 

I had this conversation with someone in the know at the London listening party

Okay that means that they have not deleted the video neither Sony refused to release it or something. Perhaps someone has remind Team Celine about it because over the FIY25, Las Vegas, CWT, 40years of Celine I guess she and her forgot about the video. Better to start a campaign for this video. It works if we all take part.

The video would be so amazing, I hope it's quality is as amazing as was of Courage.

[ordinary fan]

The video was shot, edited and ready to be released until she got ill around promo time in November 2019 and the video was then left to one side.

 

I had this conversation with someone in the know at the London listening party

Well but that descision doesn't makes any sense. of course they could release the video, even though there was no promo because Celine was sick at the time. One thing hasn't to do with the other. I mean they could use this explanation for other things, like canceling an album because Celine is sick on the release date or something

[ryba]

Yeah, releasing the music video alone would already be promo for the song. She also released the courage video without appearing on a single tv show singing that song

[ordinary fan]

Yeah, releasing the music video alone would already be promo for the song. She also released the courage video without appearing on a single tv show singing that song

Exactly my thought

[Dancing_Queen]

Don't think there was a causality.

 

It's probably true that the video was about to drop right around the time of her illness, but scrapping it because of that makes no sense. Céline either disliked the end result or they postponed the release for some reason.

 

Ive said this before, but my theory (or wishful thinking) was that they meant to release the video right before the European tour to tie in with a performance at the Eurovision final.

 

Would've made a lot of sense (the song is geared towards a European market).

It could in fact still happen, because Eurovision will likely take place the week before her first European show.

 

But as I said, probably wishful thinking...

[Celinelife]

For all this was true before the pandemic. Now I think they are postponing it for the promotion of COURAGE WORLD TOUR. But now since there is nothing coming for CWT till 2022 I guess it is better to release the video as soon as possible. Or perhaps they are waiting for their las Vegas concerts. Or the fact they were going to use the music video for her new hits collection.

 

[idroveallnight]

I wonder if there are any music industry insiders here who can tell us how executives in the business determine which songs will go to #1, etc. Clearly there is a bias against Celine as being too old or not cool enough that has made some of her most incredible creations (e.g. Lying Down, Somebody Loves Somebody, Breakaway) fall on deaf ears since ANDHC in 2002. Literally 20 years of seeing trash artist after trash artist with no real talent get hit after hit but our queen continues to be ignored. Such a travesty.

[Bruno Portugal]

Yeah, releasing the music video alone would already be promo for the song. She also released the courage video without appearing on a single tv show singing that song

 

Jessi J is sick and decided to release the first single from her new album... The music video was also recently released even though she was not able to sing at the time.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Why do fans get so obsessed over these things? If the video is never released (most likely scenario) you're gonna be fine.

[Celinelife]

Why do fans get so obsessed over these things? If the video is never released (most likely scenario) you're gonna be fine.

Because we are fans...not some random guy who just listens to Celine

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

Because we are fans...not some random guy who just listens to Celine

 

I’m a fan. Huge fan. Been one since 1990. And I don’t lose sleep…or spend anytime at all actually…wondering where the Lying Down music video is. Who cares?! Listen to the song.

[Celinelife]

 

 

I’m a fan. Huge fan. Been one since 1990. And I don’t lose sleep…or spend anytime at all actually…wondering where the Lying Down music video is. Who cares?! Listen to the song.

Still won't change the fact that they forgot to release it.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Still won't change the fact that they forgot to release it.

 

Nor the fact that they never will.

[Celinelife]

Don't be so negative...either try to be positive like other people on the forum or please don't come to this thread

[Xpresso]

Don't be so negative...either try to be positive like other people on the forum or please don't come to this thread

You can look at it the other way. You are being negative by focusing on the negative (no music video). We can't change it so there's no point to keep obsessing over it.

[rfkavanagh]

There's nothing negative about accepting reality, and they didn't "forget" to release the video. A business decision was made for a reason we're unlikely to ever know. Happens ALL THE TIME behind the scenes - I'm sure there have been many plans originally in place throughout Céline's career that changed along the way and we just never knew about them. The only reason this one is getting such obsessive reactions is that a snippet of information/visual was shared in an interview, but for whatever reason things changed after that point. Could have been canceled for some very important and strategic reason, or could just be a case of someone (Céline) deciding she didn't like how she looked or how it turned out or who knows what else. Could be a fully finished production, or could have been scrapped at the shoot or edit stage. We're unlikely ever to know.

 

I understand being curious, but the level of obsession and inability to accept the way things are is bizarre. The identical conversation has taken place here every week for more than a year, and yet nothing has changed!

[maki_Dion-er]

Why not just let people have whatever conversation they want to have? Not like anything else is happening. As long as it's a fight, or insulting other members or Celine.

 

It's happening in the LY thread so if you don't want to read it then skip the thread.

 

I'm personally very curious as to what happened. I don't believe it had anything to do with her getting sick. I also know we will never see it.

Edited July 22, 2021 at 06:18 PM by maki_Dion-er

[rfkavanagh]

Why not just let people have whatever conversation they want to have? Not like anything else is happening. As long as it's a fight, or insulting other members or Celine.

 

It's happening in the LY thread so if you don't want to read it then skip the thread.

 

I'm personally very curious as to what happened. I don't believe it had anything to do with her getting sick. I also know we will never see it.

 

I haven't seen anyone tell others to stop their conversation - in fact, our comments are part of the conversation, too (to agree with your first sentence, "Why not just let people have whatever conversation they want to have?"). Some of us are just bemused at why there's such a level of obsession over something that's unlikely to see the light of day at this point - particularly when there's a complete lack of new information to discuss.

 

But by all means, have at it...

[maki_Dion-er]

I haven't seen anyone tell others to stop their conversation - in fact, our comments are part of the conversation, too

 

Well it's not exactly encouraging.

 

I'm not obsessed with the release of this video and have given up on it ever being released but the reasons behind the backtrack when it was apparently such a done deal that Celine was being interviewed on the set of it is something that will always intrigue me. I imagine it's the same for the other fans.

 

Why do fans "obsess" over certain things? To answer the original question posed, I suppose because every fan is different. Some don't care about anything and just go with the flow, others are more curios, others are interested in very specific aspects of Celine's career, etc.

[rfkavanagh]

Well it's not exactly encouraging.

 

I'm not obsessed with the release of this video and have given up on it ever being released but the reasons behind the backtrack when it was apparently such a done deal that Celine was being interviewed on the set of it is something that will always intrigue me. I imagine it's the same for the other fans.

 

Why do fans "obsess" over certain things? To answer the original question posed, I suppose because every fan is different. Some don't care about anything and just go with the flow, others are more curios, others are interested in very specific aspects of Celine's career, etc.

 

I can understand people's interest and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade (and the "obsessive" comment wasn't directed at you in particular). What I find fascinating and unnecessary (as usual!) is people's sense of entitlement around these kinds of things. The idea that they have a right to have the video (or whatever) released; that it doesn't matter how plans changed - it was initially shared as something likely to come out so TC isn't allowed to change their minds for any reason and they're obligated to release the video because it was produced in some form and fans want it. I find that completely unreasonable (and again, not directed at you specifically).

 

What you consider "not exactly encouraging" can also be viewed as trying to help people avoid disappointment by encouraging them not to get their hopes up or think that their demands will ever fall on anything other than deaf ears. As you say, different kinds of fans.

 

(And I say this as someone still hoping for Play Me Like A Love Song!)

[maki_Dion-er]

What I find fascinating and unnecessary (as usual!) is people's sense of entitlement around these kinds of things. The idea that they have a right to have the video (or whatever) released; that it doesn't matter how plans changed - it was initially shared as something likely to come out so TC isn't allowed to change their minds for any reason and they're obligated to release the video because it was produced in some form and fans want it. I find that completely unreasonable (and again, not directed at you specifically).

 

(And I say this as someone still hoping for Play Me Like A Love Song!)

 

Demanding things is an issue in fandoms and I really dislike it but I don't think that was the case in this instance. There's another pov here and that is that if fans simply accept everything that is given or not given then there's a chance Celine and team will see it as no interest in her. If her hardcore fans show interest in a music video that wasn't released for whatever reason then, even if they can never release that one, they will see that the desire for new music videos from her is still there. Just as showing interest in new music keeps her recording new material, and interest in the release of PMLALS could, hopefully, lead to them someday releasing it.

 

If we just stay quiet all the time then we will most definitely never get any of the things we would love to have. Posting on here though is pretty much the same as staying quiet though because there's zero probability that anyone from TC is reading this forum.

[ryba]

You know what I don’t get? Back in 2003, they claimed they changed her short blond hair back to long brown, because people hated it and they wanted to please the fans. How could they know that? I’m sure no fan would ever directly tell her that her short hair sucks, and moreover, the internet was not as advanced as now, so virtual feedback on that is highly unlikely. Yet, they knew people hated it. Now, we make petitions for her to release stuff and post thousands of comments on her social media, even a journalist mentioned our petition in the Journal de Montreal, and it looks like her team doesn’t even know. What the hell. I think they very well know, but they ignore it, because for some reason they don’t want to give us that much. Edited July 23, 2021 at 08:04 AM by ryba

[couldawouldashoulda]

You know what I don’t get? Back in 2003, they claimed they changed her short blond hair back to long brown, because people hated it and they wanted to please the fans. How could they know that? I’m sure no fan would ever directly tell her that her short hair sucks, and moreover, the internet was not as advanced as now, so virtual feedback on that is highly unlikely. Yet, they knew people hated it. Now, we make petitions for her to release stuff and post thousands of comments on her social media, even a journalist mentioned our petition in the Journal de Montreal, and it looks like her team doesn’t even know. What the hell. I think they very well know, but they ignore it, because for some reason they don’t want to give us that much.

 

A New Day… was such a unique experience at the time. No one but Cirque was in Vegas. No artist had attempted a show like that. I went the third week of the show, maybe the fourth - for my birthday in April - and I was stopped on my way out and asked questions about how I felt about the show. Sort of like a focus group, I guess? One of the questions was about her hair. I said I liked it - I really did. It was diffferent, a change, and I thought it fit the show. I guess others had negative impressions of it though.

 

That was also when she was re-entering the industry which had changed so much on her 2 years off. They were more curious as to audience reaction. At this point in her career, they know what sells tickets and seem to just be focused on that.

[jpatdeleon09]

Maybe because during that short blonde era she is being harrased by the audience, making fun of her, making rude comments, no respect at all because I remember someone posted that before about that. Maybe that’s why they go back to long brown hair.

[Dancing_Queen]

On a related note: Back in 2016, I received an online survey after attending one of her Vegas shows. You had to rate the different sections of the show, the outfits etc. (not sure about the hair)

I never received something similar before (or since) from any artist and it struck me then how much her career was run as a business.

I'm not saying that as a bad thing (I quite admired it at the time), but the results more than likely justified an even bigger focus on hits and covers. So I guess they did listen to the fans 😊

Edited July 23, 2021 at 11:18 AM by Dancing_Queen

[Xpresso]

It was not difficult for Céline and René to know the reaction on the short blond hair. About 95% of people hated it and they couldn't avoid it even if they wanted to. Very different situation from an unreleased music video that most casual fans don't really know about.

[Celinelife]

There are fashion critics, music critics who must have said it.

[scielle]

On a related note: Back in 2016, I received an online survey after attending one of her Vegas shows. You had to rate the different sections of the show, the outfits etc. (not sure about the hair)

I never received something similar before (or since) from any artist and it struck me then how much her career was run as a business.

I'm not saying that as a bad thing (I quite admired it at the time), but the results more than likely justified an even bigger focus on hits and covers. So I guess they did listen to the fans 😊

 

I received a survey to that effect after attending the Céline show (in 2017, I think), so they were still doing it then.

[Celinelife]

Did they did something similar for Courage World Tour?

[Shaun]

When René himself said regarding her image at the start of A New Day… “I thought it was a great idea until I learned that the new look they were talking about was cutting her hair short and die it blonde” and “every time I saw her on stage, if I would’ve been thinking only as her manager I would’ve insisted to really push my point on the image. But Celine was so excited to change something, to start with a new look, that the husband took over and I wanted her to be happy” then, really, you know you have a problem.

 

When Celine herself says “it was probably the most expensive haircut in the whole industry and it cost a lot of money because everybody hated it and we did a DVD and we had to throw it in the garbage because it was terrible” and “well I decided to go back to my long brown hair because, well everybody hated it actually” then you know you have a problem.

 

The short blonde hair was a disaster. And they knew it.