jpatdeleon09 Posted June 7, 2019 at 03:52 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 03:52 PM They need to. They picked this kind of music. They need to be consistent with the new sound. Modern music. Quote
CSCfan Posted June 7, 2019 at 03:53 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 03:53 PM They won't though. Courage, don't you dare fail me now.. 2 Quote »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» MATHIAS ««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPrxI0AIDY
AdrienneM Posted June 7, 2019 at 04:38 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 04:38 PM Yes, it was Mego's "doing", and Yes, Scott vastly improved the arragements and I love his work.But Scott has always been more of an "orchestra" conducter and this is evident in his live arrangements, but also on his studio work. While I agree Scott's arrangement of LMBTL was better than Mego's, it still misses the "oomph" the studio version had. And I think they agreed (and it also showed from the audience's reaction), as there's a reason the song was taken from the setlist. IMO it was just because the show was still too long and they needed to remove SOMETHING, so they removed something that wasn’t necessary or a hit. I remember my friend Katrina on IG telling me about her experience at the Leeds show in June 2017 and how even with the 6 songs shorter than Copenhagen, the show didnt finish until 11:15 and the last train back to manchester (the main hub for people to get home from i guess??) was at 11:35... so they only had 20 mins to get out the venue, and along with 10 minutes to GET to the station... madness Quote
Frenchie Posted June 7, 2019 at 07:23 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 07:23 PM Can we not have both?! I mean Celine charges enough to have both anyway. The orchestra needs a break during a 2hr to 2.5hr concert, and that is where the dance/heavy bass line music comes in. 2 Quote
Chantemoi Posted June 7, 2019 at 08:38 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 08:38 PM Can we not have both?! I mean Celine charges enough to have both anyway. The orchestra needs a break during a 2hr to 2.5hr concert, and that is where the dance/heavy bass line music comes in. in an ideal world... yes. But in reality, I'm sure that would create a tension or backstage drama. Quote
mirage Posted June 7, 2019 at 09:17 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 09:17 PM I think she could easily use both.They can have a bigger prominent role in the ballads. And for the uptempo they really need to use a backing track, and add the orchestra for a bit more dept. 3 Quote
fred Posted June 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM Yes that would be the very natural solution. I am amazed we seem to have to figure this out for them.... I wonder what will come out of this though. I think she could easily use both.They can have a bigger prominent role in the ballads. And for the uptempo they really need to use a backing track, and add the orchestra for a bit more dept. 1 Quote Peace and love to all.
fred Posted June 7, 2019 at 11:13 PM Posted June 7, 2019 at 11:13 PM My wishes for this tour is: As few dates as possible. Yea yea mad wish but I really want her voice to last. New sound and new arrangements. More of the quality of what we saw in the "acoustic medly" from last tour. Everything sung live - shorten the standards and lower demanding keys. The Reason and Think Twice, maybe I Surrender. More songs from Courage than new covers. A neatly shot DVD (but chances may get smaller since they're probably gonna release the boring last version of Vegas on DVD) 😊 2 Quote Peace and love to all.
browseceline Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:24 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:24 AM The newest example of how the orchestra can kill a song! Flying on my own... I listened to ramona's recording on YouTube and the kickdrum is virtually not there. For a dancesong! Yoy cannot expect people to get into dancetracks without having a pumping - sampled - beat! Same goes for Ashes - the Vegas version sucked the live out of the song because sampled drums are almost not there! Only in the courage opening and at Jimmy kimmel it finally had more punch because the orchestra was gone. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G965F met Tapatalk 2 Quote <iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hl2XkxnYljg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
jpatdeleon09 Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:35 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:35 AM (edited) The newest example of how the orchestra can kill a song! Flying on my own... I listened to ramona's recording on YouTube and the kickdrum is virtually not there. For a dancesong! Yoy cannot expect people to get into dancetracks without having a pumping - sampled - beat!Same goes for Ashes - the Vegas version sucked the live out of the song because sampled drums are almost not there! Only in the courage opening and at Jimmy kimmel it finally had more punch because the orchestra was gone. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G965F met Tapatalk especially the chorus part... it needs some "ooomph" Edited June 8, 2019 at 05:35 AM by jpatdeleon09 1 Quote
mb011 Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:40 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:40 AM Everyone here is a manager and music producer it seems. people cant you just be super excited and enjoy the new song? Its been performed half an hour ago, live, and placed on yt with a cell video record... And yet you find only flaws... I love it, its new music, celine is excited, who cares if it reaches any place on any chart... Just enjoy the moment people... 4 Quote
jpatdeleon09 Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:50 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:50 AM (edited) Everyone here is a manager and music producer it seems. people cant you just be super excited and enjoy the new song? Its been performed half an hour ago, live, and placed on yt with a cell video record... And yet you find only flaws... I love it, its new music, celine is excited, who cares if it reaches any place on any chart... Just enjoy the moment people... We're enjoying it... Don't worry! Actually, We're waiting for them to release it on iTunes or Spotify. It's just that of course you'll hear the difference between the modern studio arrangement with orchestral arrangement.. it loses the... they say it "ooomph" especially the chorus part that should be more alive. it kinda loses the energy of the song/music. So, I hope after this residency show ends.. they will eliminate the orchestra band since her new album is very different. It's not ballad anymore that really fits to the orchestral arrangements. It should be more pop sounding or edm. She's singing in original key, right? I wish they use the studio instrumentals like they did back in Quebec Live 2013 for Loved Me Back To Life Edited June 8, 2019 at 05:56 AM by jpatdeleon09 Quote
browseceline Posted June 8, 2019 at 06:04 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 06:04 AM (edited) I am producing music, I make electronic music myself. But you can clearly hear that this bassdrum is virtually not there -in fact - for a producer - getting the kickdrum right is the most important for a dancetrack because you want the track to get people on the floor. The kick must be pumping in your stomach! It is not there in this live version! in Ramona's recording - a cellphone recording - a big kickdrum would have given distortion because of the loud drum and would almost overblow her voice since most cell phones cannot record loud drums well. I do not hear a kick at all. And that is so lacking that it does not make people like the track. see on YouTube the tame reactions until now. I have said it so often - orchestra - fine but mix it with sampled drums and electronic instruments as well! Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G965F met Tapatalk Edited June 8, 2019 at 06:12 AM by browseceline 6 Quote <iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hl2XkxnYljg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
browseceline Posted June 8, 2019 at 06:19 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 06:19 AM Better recording and the drums are played by the drummer. You almost do not hear them. It almost sounds like the whole backing track is lower volumelevel and the prominent kickdrum and bass are not there. use sampled drums Scott! Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G965F met Tapatalk 4 Quote <iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hl2XkxnYljg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
scielle Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:10 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:10 AM Uhh...if anything, it's the other way around. You can't expect songs like 'Shadow of Love', 'Fade Away', 'Flying On My Own' (and other highly produced tracks) to have that same sound live with an old-fashioned band/orchestra. We've heard how flat songs like LMBTL, SOL, Incredible, etc sound. There's nothing "old-fashioned" about a band/ orchestra. Timeless, yes. "Old-fashioned"? No.The FOMO-style production, however, sounds totally dated to me. Will be as hilarious in 5 years' time as 80s material was just a few years later (and to me, it sounds hilarious already). Some on here call it "fresh" - I think it's the very opposite. It's stale and dated and completely uninteresting. Quote
stevo Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:13 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:13 AM We get your point loud and clear Scielle. You don’t have to repeat it in every thread. You don’t like that song and that’s fine. 2 Quote
scielle Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:16 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:16 AM (edited) We get your point loud and clear Scielle. You don't have to repeat it in every thread. You don't like that song and that's fine. Different point. And an reply to an earlier specific point made in this particular thread. And my post above is not FOMO-specific; merely using that as example as it's top of mind and illustrates the point at hand. Plus I never said I don't like the song - please don't put words in my mouth. What I don't care for is its production. Edited June 8, 2019 at 09:21 AM by scielle Quote
CSCfan Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:21 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:21 AM There's nothing "old-fashioned" about a band/ orchestra. Timeless, yes. "Old-fashioned"? No.The FOMO-style production, however, sounds totally dated to me. Will be as hilarious in 5 years' time as 80s material was just a few years later (and to me, it sounds hilarious already). Some on here call it "fresh" - I think it's the very opposite. It's stale and dated and completely uninteresting. With old-fashioned I meant "regular". Yes, orchestra's are timeless and make music more beautiful, but it's not always needed and doesn't always fit.FOMO screams BOP, club banger, EDM track, remix-friendly, etc. etc. A vastly different league than a song that needs an orchestra. And you're in luck: Céline has always been classified "dated" or "not in synch with time", so it kinda fits. 1 Quote »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» MATHIAS ««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPrxI0AIDY
scielle Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:28 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:28 AM With old-fashioned I meant "regular". I see - noted. FOMO screams BOP, club banger, EDM track, remix-friendly, etc. etc. A vastly different league than a song that needs an orchestra. And more power to her. Hope it goes all those places and does well. I just personally won't be listening to the studio version. Quote
gafsa Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:35 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:35 AM There's nothing "old-fashioned" about a band/ orchestra. Timeless, yes. "Old-fashioned"? No.The FOMO-style production, however, sounds totally dated to me. Will be as hilarious in 5 years' time as 80s material was just a few years later (and to me, it sounds hilarious already). Some on here call it "fresh" - I think it's the very opposite. It's stale and dated and completely uninteresting. Ok Quote
smw Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:47 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 09:47 AM (edited) There's nothing "old-fashioned" about a band/ orchestra. Timeless, yes. "Old-fashioned"? No.The FOMO-style production, however, sounds totally dated to me. Will be as hilarious in 5 years' time as 80s material was just a few years later (and to me, it sounds hilarious already). Some on here call it "fresh" - I think it's the very opposite. It's stale and dated and completely uninteresting. I still blast Incognito! And lots of 80s / early 90s songs recorded by Celine. I don’t think you need to worry. FOMO won’t be the main style / sound on the album. There will be a wide array of sounds. I personally find this song to be incredibly refreshing and fun and it’s clearly, unarguably good for Celine right now. It’s also a smart move on her team’s part to release a feel-good song right now. That’s what the public is craving from her! A lot of my pals who love the more dance-y divas are gonna be all about this song. And that’ll be great for Celine to get introduced to new fans! I can see RuPaul lurrrrving this song. Edited June 8, 2019 at 09:54 AM by smw 6 Quote
jpatdeleon09 Posted June 8, 2019 at 10:20 AM Posted June 8, 2019 at 10:20 AM Orchestra is best for soundtracks/ballads 2 Quote
mirage Posted June 8, 2019 at 11:57 PM Posted June 8, 2019 at 11:57 PM If they have more dance songs on her records, or more music made by computers.Than they need to use that also in her live versions. They can't make it that good with an orchestra/band. You can notice it with LMBTL, TTWII, IA, SOL, FA. They all are flat and boring live. A bit more upbeat and power wouldn't hurt those songs 2 Quote
browseceline Posted June 9, 2019 at 07:22 AM Posted June 9, 2019 at 07:22 AM If they have more dance songs on her records, or more music made by computers.Than they need to use that also in her live versions. They can't make it that good with an orchestra/band. You can notice it with LMBTL, TTWII, IA, SOL, FA. They all are flat and boring live. A bit more upbeat and power wouldn't hurt those songsAshes too! Really missing body by a bassline plus louder drums and sampled drums Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G965F met Tapatalk 1 Quote <iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hl2XkxnYljg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
jpatdeleon09 Posted June 9, 2019 at 09:48 AM Posted June 9, 2019 at 09:48 AM (edited) Now, you guys hear what I'm hearing. Bass is important. LOL Edited June 9, 2019 at 09:48 AM by jpatdeleon09 Quote
mirage Posted June 9, 2019 at 05:06 PM Posted June 9, 2019 at 05:06 PM https://www.facebook.com/138240972882746/posts/2936890813017734/ I'm really curious to see what they have in store for us.Something very special for the fans, beautiful experience ever created 1 Quote
AdrienneM Posted June 9, 2019 at 07:22 PM Posted June 9, 2019 at 07:22 PM https://www.facebook.com/138240972882746/posts/2936890813017734/ I'm really curious to see what they have in store for us.Something very special for the fans, beautiful experience ever created Why do i feel we’re gonna get a “Songbook Segment”. when an artist has a book full of songs with the music and lyrics for it and them and their guitarist do an acoustic version of it.... doubt it, but it would be incredible Quote
Mark100 Posted June 9, 2019 at 10:02 PM Posted June 9, 2019 at 10:02 PM A backing track works best for up beat tracks even for IA and TTWII in my opinion! Keep the big band for ballads only 🙌🏻 3 Quote
fred Posted June 9, 2019 at 10:45 PM Posted June 9, 2019 at 10:45 PM I don't get why orchestra has to rule out electro music? If it's so hard for them to blend it they can have her concert in two segments. If I remember correctly I've seen a concert of Diana Krall were she starts with a quartet and after some time into the concert a curtain opens in the back of the stage and there's an orchestra. Quote Peace and love to all.
jpatdeleon09 Posted June 10, 2019 at 08:42 AM Posted June 10, 2019 at 08:42 AM I think Céline needs to hire a creative director for this upcoming tour. You know.. just to be sure that it will not be the continuation of Summer Tour series. It should be different like big prod again like TCWT/AND Quote
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