Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[jpatdeleon09]

Remember this?

 

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

So when do you all think she /they will make announcement on the tour for March set of shows,,(before/after ) Christmas ,to begin

 

pretty much not until next year... & its 99% going to be postponed as the numbers of covid cases are steadily GOING UP & the vaccine is still a good while away from being ready & distributed to 7+ billion people all over the world...

 

so i doubt there will be any concerts, live events, etc... happening in 2021, especially in the first half of the year... in fact i have read that several performers have already postponed shows until 2022, which is smart considering it will most likely take all of 2021 to give everybody the vaccine before concerts, live events, etc can fully come back & will be safe & healthy for people to attend... because health & safety ALWAYS FIRST!! 🤞🙏

Edited November 27, 2020 at 01:09 AM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Unofficial news about the already postponed Paris concerts possibly being postponed to the end of 2021 or July 2022, or the European Tour being cancelled alltogether:

 

https://m.facebook.com/celinefansite/photos/a.541368139284532/3450129198408397/?type=3&source=48

 

well even though this DOES look like "unofficial news" indeed, as it is from a FAN ACCOUNT & not from any of celines official accounts... BUT...

 

honestly with the cases of covid constantly GOING UP in numerous countries all over the world right now, i can see concerts & other live events in all countries still being postponed until either end of 2021 or most likely postponed until beginning of 2022... because as much as it truly does suck for all of us right now (for all of the performers, crews, venues, & fans as well,) but we do HAVE TO get this virus under control before concerts & other live events are back... & it will take several months for the vaccine to be given to 7+ billion of people all over the world, so we are not quite "out of the woods" yet when it comes to this whole covid mess...

 

& here in the united states, when joe biden becomes our new president next year, he has already said that during his campaign that "if & when he is elected president of the united states, he will put us in ANOTHER LOCKDOWN for sure, & it will be for @ LEAST 6 WEEKS to try to stop the spreading of the covid!!" so since he was elected president, many of us americans see another lockdown on the horizon, most likely in february & march!! so i really DO NOT see concerts & live events on the horizon for us anytime soon...

 

i just hope & pray to god that the vaccine will actually work & that we can finally get rid of this darn covid forever, i am sooo done with covid, & i know everybody is done with covid too!! 🤞🙏

Edited November 27, 2020 at 01:11 AM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[nuts2you]

question, Has anyone notice that they are sale merch from her tour,, Are they trying to tell us something, why would they be saleing all this stuff ,

[Nmj]

question, Has anyone notice that they are sale merch from her tour,, Are they trying to tell us something, why would they be saleing all this stuff ,

 

Because the cash cow just lost 13 MILLION USD.

 

[Shamrock_1982]

We ain’t buying nothing love until you release a new music video from the courage album and get yourself a manager!

 

Cheeky, lazy, incompetent t*ats, how dare they!

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 at 10:41 PM by Shamrock_1982

[Nmj]

We ain’t buying nothing love until you release a new music video from the courage album and get yourself a manager!

 

Cheeky, lazy, incompetent t*ats, how dare they!

 

Too many blind sheep will buy all the leftover garbage, as the team keeps taking incompetence to the next level.

[mirage]

At least they didn't put the versatile water bottle on sale.

[pat200]

We ain't buying nothing love until you release a new music video from the courage album and get yourself a manager!

 

Cheeky, lazy, incompetent t*ats, how dare they!

 

Many will still gobble up everything they put out. Why else do you think they are such a lazy incompetent team?? I mean so many thank them for those quizzes they post on insta that are so ridiculous, so how can we expect them to have higher standards in terms of what they post??

[Xpresso]

Is this the Celine hater forum or something? Gee, the nasty comments just keep flowing. If you aren't happy with what she is doing, how about taking a break from anything Celine-related? This should be a hobby, not a source of hate or telling an artist what she should or shouldn't be doing. I'm not happy with all her decisions but I won't be coming here to blast her as if my life depended on it. Grow up or find another singer who does things your way! Edited November 28, 2020 at 01:25 AM by Xpresso

[couldawouldashoulda]

Is this the Celine hater forum or something? Gee, the nasty comments just keep flowing. If you aren't happy with what she is doing, how about taking a break from anything Celine-related? This should be a hobby, not a source of hate or telling an artist what she should or shouldn't be doing. I'm not happy with all her decisions but I won't be coming here to blast her as if my life depended on it. Grow up or find another singer who does things your way!

 

PREACH!!! I’m not a blind fan, as some think, who agrees with everything she does either. But, you know, I recognize that she’s a human being with her own wants, needs and desires. She never has to sing a day in her life or work a day in her life. Even with the law suit, she’s doing just fine. I hope she takes time off. 5, 10 years if she feels like it. The spoiled brats will finally lose interest and go away and then she can release another album (which they’ll hate because <fill in the blank>. Or worse, they’ll LOVE IT......until it doesn’t chart and she doesn’t sing on talk shows or sing it in her concerts and then they’ll suddenly hate the album. As if it’s only merit as an album is how many singles are hits or how many songs she sings live from it. Some people....I just can’t even sometimes.

[marc-02]

Is this the Celine hater forum or something? Gee, the nasty comments just keep flowing. If you aren't happy with what she is doing, how about taking a break from anything Celine-related? This should be a hobby, not a source of hate or telling an artist what she should or shouldn't be doing. I'm not happy with all her decisions but I won't be coming here to blast her as if my life depended on it. Grow up or find another singer who does things your way!

 

I agree. So may ungrateful sh*t here. Get a life, guys. Stop acting like newbie, wide-eyed fans who know little about Celine's complex persona. She can do whatever she wants at this point in her career. Yes, we matter so much to Celine. But Celine and her team's life don't revolve around us and so shouldn't ours around Celine's. Stop being demanding and spoiled fans. Just be thankful she's still in the business at all. I'm guessing those who are never satisfied and keep wanting more from Celine are new fans who are just discovering her and just want to gobble up every little thing about her. If you're not new fans, then you just don't get contented (pretty much like spoiled brats). But for most of us long-time fans, Celine has already given us a lifetime's worth of music, memories and happiness. She could retire and stop this very moment, and I will have no problem at all. She literally gave us her entire life already. She can hang the towel now and we would totally understand.

Edited November 28, 2020 at 05:31 AM by marc-02

[PuraVida]

I welcome all opinions and takes on Celine. But I’m glad people finally admit that they wouldn’t mind if she retired. Some people will take what’s given, other people will expect more. This is a forum for super fans.

 

If you ask me, it’s the people who are fine with her retiring who she leave the forum for a while and come back. If you’re happy looking back all the time, then go in your room with her old records and turn up the volume.

 

[CelinesDIVO5]

I just wonder what the point of complaining about any of this is? I too wish there had been more promo for “Courage.”

 

I’ve been a fan for 30 years. I also understand that in the entertainment business, artists tend to slow down as they get older. Celine probably would have been happy to never come back at all after RC was born. Imagine? And then the last 17 years would never have happened. No Vegas, no TCWT, no mini summer tours. All of these wonderful things that we have gotten to follow and experience.

 

We are very lucky fans. We also have the right to disagree with certain things. But if anyone is a real fan, and they do their research and really understand what Celine’s career has been; and what her relationship to her fans has been...and then compare to her contemporaries; she’s still miles ahead. We honestly shouldn’t have that much to complain about. You all make the choice to set your standards so high for a legacy act, a woman who has made it very verbally clear that music is not her priority anymore.

 

I never thought we would get to see a Celine Dion album in the number 1 spot again. Granted, it was only one week, but damn. In 2019, Celine Dion had a NUMBER ONE album on the US Billboard 200!!! I was overjoyed!!

 

I will never downplay the wants and dreams that people may have. But wants and dreams are very different from expectations. We know how Celine and her team operate these days. Why set unreasonable expectations that we know her team isn’t going to strive for? And then be so angry that we make such heinous and nasty comments? Fandom should not overtake your life...because then it becomes obsession, which is far from healthy. Celine has given the world so much of herself, and WE as people MAKE THE DECISION to spend money on her...so we can’t be angry about that either.

[PuraVida]

I just wonder what the point of complaining about any of this is? I too wish there had been more promo for “Courage.”

 

I’ve been a fan for 30 years. I also understand that in the entertainment business, artists tend to slow down as they get older. Celine probably would have been happy to never come back at all after RC was born. Imagine? And then the last 17 years would never have happened. No Vegas, no TCWT, no mini summer tours. All of these wonderful things that we have gotten to follow and experience.

 

We are very lucky fans. We also have the right to disagree with certain things. But if anyone is a real fan, and they do their research and really understand what Celine’s career has been; and what her relationship to her fans has been...and then compare to her contemporaries; she’s still miles ahead. We honestly shouldn’t have that much to complain about. You all make the choice to set your standards so high for a legacy act, a woman who has made it very verbally clear that music is not her priority anymore.

 

I never thought we would get to see a Celine Dion album in the number 1 spot again. Granted, it was only one week, but damn. In 2019, Celine Dion had a NUMBER ONE album on the US Billboard 200!!! I was overjoyed!!

 

I will never downplay the wants and dreams that people may have. But wants and dreams are very different from expectations. We know how Celine and her team operate these days. Why set unreasonable expectations that we know her team isn’t going to strive for? And then be so angry that we make such heinous and nasty comments? Fandom should not overtake your life...because then it becomes obsession, which is far from healthy. Celine has given the world so much of herself, and WE as people MAKE THE DECISION to spend money on her...so we can’t be angry about that either.

 

For the most part, I really love what you said and your eloquence.

 

But, unlike what you claim, not everyone has realized or admits that music isn’t her priority anymore and that her team is utter crap. They won’t admit these things.

 

For those who have realized, it’s not like Celine gave us clear signals in an interview that she wanted or intended to slow down. In fact, we just had to learn the hard way and wait and wait for so many things. Painful gradual lessons. Without any clear communication, relationships go sour. And fan-artist relationships are the same.

 

And as I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, wanting an Instagram live performance or a few seconds of singing posted to her social media is NOT a high expectation. It’s literally so easy. They could recorded her doing just one like from Courage while she was in her field posing for Thanksgiving photos. Does my wanting this make me “obsessed” or show that fandom has “taken over my life”... no. Not in the least.

 

Fans don’t ask the world. They want to feel connected. I feel more connected to some artists I’ve followed for only a couple years than I do to Celine, because they have been truly communicative and more “open books”. The reason people are bitter about the Nurse Heroes performance is because they’ve seen so little of Celine over the pandemic.

Edited November 28, 2020 at 07:14 AM by PuraVida

[Dancing_Queen]

Since 2002, Céline has always made it very clear that there is a strict seperation between her work life and her home life. Since René died, the seperation has become stricter, excepting special occasions (holidays, birthdays, last Vegas concert...) or charity.

 

So should we really be surprised that she isn't bringing her work home now, when she's made the conscious effort to keep the spheres seperate for so long?

 

[remykyes]

Since 2002, Céline has always made it very clear that there is a strict seperation between her work life and her home life. Since René died, the seperation has become stricter, excepting special occasions (holidays, birthdays, last Vegas concert...) or charity.

 

So should we really be surprised that she isn't bringing her work home now, when she's made the conscious effort to keep the spheres seperate for so long?

 

I think the issue here is that while we all get that Celine working from home is never going to happen, there are measures her team can take preemptively on her behalf, like perhaps streaming any of the mini-tours, one or both versions of the "Celine" residency (2011 & 2015) plus the Final Show could even be added in. And yes, I would pay money. Most artists who are livestreaming are either airing previous concerts or are doing live concerts (not happening with Celine) and are either doing it free or are charging around $18 for a livestream base ticket with some offering package deals with goodies for more $. Why can't they do something like this? It'd be new stuff, professionally recorded, and they'd make money off of it.

Edited November 28, 2020 at 03:25 PM by remykyes

[Nmj]

Since 2002, Céline has always made it very clear that there is a strict seperation between her work life and her home life. Since René died, the seperation has become stricter, excepting special occasions (holidays, birthdays, last Vegas concert...) or charity.

 

So should we really be surprised that she isn't bringing her work home now, when she's made the conscious effort to keep the spheres seperate for so long?

 

That’s why I laugh when she’s proclaims herself an “open book”. She acts like she shared so much but she’s actually very guarded and private.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

That’s why I laugh when she’s proclaims herself an “open book”. She acts like she shared so much but she’s actually very guarded and private.

 

In all honesty, she has been very open over her 30+ year career. She’s always been open about her family, her lack of education, her insecurities as a child, her relationship with René (her struggle with her mother over it, the hard time keeping it secret, his illnesses etc.), her pregnancies, how she handled Rene’s death (she was very detailed about even when she found him), her father’s death...if you think about it, over her career she has shared quite a bit about her life. More than any other artist I follow.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I think the issue here is that while we all get that Celine working from home is never going to happen, there are measures her team can take preemptively on her behalf, like perhaps streaming any of the mini-tours, one or both versions of the "Celine" residency (2011 & 2015) plus the Final Show could even be added in. And yes, I would pay money. Most artists who are livestreaming are either airing previous concerts or are doing live concerts (not happening with Celine) and are either doing it free or are charging around $18 for a livestream base ticket with some offering package deals with goodies for more $. Why can't they do something like this? It'd be new stuff, professionally recorded, and they'd make money off of it.

 

Yes. That is my point. Her team should have been taking advantage of her fans being home on lockdown and glued to their TVs, phones, tablets and computers. That’s what a marketing team is for. We all know that any second Celine gets to spend with her kids, is going to be spent with her kids. Plain and simple, cut and dry.

[Chantemoi]

 

 

I think the issue here is that while we all get that Celine working from home is never going to happen, there are measures her team can take preemptively on her behalf, like perhaps streaming any of the mini-tours, one or both versions of the "Celine" residency (2011 & 2015) plus the Final Show could even be added in. And yes, I would pay money. Most artists who are livestreaming are either airing previous concerts or are doing live concerts (not happening with Celine) and are either doing it free or are charging around $18 for a livestream base ticket with some offering package deals with goodies for more $. Why can't they do something like this? It'd be new stuff, professionally recorded, and they'd make money off of it.

 

Ditto. This is my biggest gripe.

They don’t even have to lift a finger to give us “new” material.

 

Footage from any era of her career is gold:

early 90s, mid 90s, (late 90s, I think we have enough footage), early Vegas, recent Vegas, 2016-2017... all of this exists on tape. All of it could be released - or even just a trickle!!! 10 Ans Déjà, Olympia, FIY-Europe, Vegas, or the mini tours ...

literally a n y t h i n g

 

They started to do that with Live à Paris on YouTube. And I was actually thrilled to have that footage on better-than-VHS quality.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

For the most part, I really love what you said and your eloquence.

 

But, unlike what you claim, not everyone has realized or admits that music isn’t her priority anymore and that her team is utter crap. They won’t admit these things.

 

For those who have realized, it’s not like Celine gave us clear signals in an interview that she wanted or intended to slow down. In fact, we just had to learn the hard way and wait and wait for so many things. Painful gradual lessons. Without any clear communication, relationships go sour. And fan-artist relationships are the same.

 

And as I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, wanting an Instagram live performance or a few seconds of singing posted to her social media is NOT a high expectation. It’s literally so easy. They could recorded her doing just one like from Courage while she was in her field posing for Thanksgiving photos. Does my wanting this make me “obsessed” or show that fandom has “taken over my life”... no. Not in the least.

 

Fans don’t ask the world. They want to feel connected. I feel more connected to some artists I’ve followed for only a couple years than I do to Celine, because they have been truly communicative and more “open books”. The reason people are bitter about the Nurse Heroes performance is because they’ve seen so little of Celine over the pandemic.

 

But it is not Celine’s fault or even her teams fault if there are fans who choose to live in the denial of where Celine sits in her career right now. So many of the expectations people set for her, are fitting for an artist in their prime. Celine has passed that already. Proven herself to the industry and to the world.

 

I’m pretty sure Celine basing herself in one place for the better part of 2003-2019 was a rather clear marker that she wanted the most normal life possible for her and her family. Celine has said many times, that her priority is no longer having a hit record, doing red carpets, winning awards etc. She has done all that, she has it all and she does music still simply because she loves to perform.

 

As for doing shows from home, it’s really not that easy. Especially if you’re going to do them sporadically. I am a performer and have been limited to doing shows from my living room. The set up alone (which, in my case is very modest) takes a lot of time. Tech and lighting is a challenge. And I do shows two nights a week. So, it’s setting up and breaking down. It’s a lot. In Celine’s case, there would obviously be people to do all of that for her, but for an artist of her caliber it would cost money. Someone would have to pay a crew to take care of all of these things. Celine Dion isn’t just going to sit with a ring light and an iPhone. She would also need a couple of musicians for the types of performances that people are asking for. Even if she had backing tracks created for a more intimate setting, that costs money too. It’s truly not as simple as people make it out to be to just “perform from home.”

 

I too am disappointed in the limited participation of Celine in the most recent special. However, that’s not on her. That’s on the two production companies that put this together. It depends on what money they offered Celine (assuming her performance wasn’t a charitable donation).

 

I think you’ve been a fan long enough, and have done your research on her career to at least now realize that Celine is just not going to give us the energy that she did from the 80’s to 2002. You’ve seen many high expectations on this forum alone get deflated by the actual outcome. Which brings me back to my point of “why?” Why these high expectations every single time, after so many let downs? I’m at the point where, yes I can scoff at the actions of her and her team sometimes, and disagree. But I have so much else of Celine to enjoy! So, it’s not going to dampen my fandom when what we get is what we should have come to expect a long time ago.

[ryba]

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But it is not Celine's fault or even her teams fault if there are fans who choose to live in the denial of where Celine sits in her career right now. So many of the expectations people set for her, are fitting for an artist in their prime. Celine has passed that already. Proven herself to the industry and to the world.

 

I'm pretty sure Celine basing herself in one place for the better part of 2003-2019 was a rather clear marker that she wanted the most normal life possible for her and her family. Celine has said many times, that her priority is no longer having a hit record, doing red carpets, winning awards etc. She has done all that, she has it all and she does music still simply because she loves to perform.

 

As for doing shows from home, it's really not that easy. Especially if you're going to do them sporadically. I am a performer and have been limited to doing shows from my living room. The set up alone (which, in my case is very modest) takes a lot of time. Tech and lighting is a challenge. And I do shows two nights a week. So, it's setting up and breaking down. It's a lot. In Celine's case, there would obviously be people to do all of that for her, but for an artist of her caliber it would cost money. Someone would have to pay a crew to take care of all of these things. Celine Dion isn't just going to sit with a ring light and an iPhone. She would also need a couple of musicians for the types of performances that people are asking for. Even if she had backing tracks created for a more intimate setting, that costs money too. It's truly not as simple as people make it out to be to just "perform from home."

 

I too am disappointed in the limited participation of Celine in the most recent special. However, that's not on her. That's on the two production companies that put this together. It depends on what money they offered Celine (assuming her performance wasn't a charitable donation).

 

I think you've been a fan long enough, and have done your research on her career to at least now realize that Celine is just not going to give us the energy that she did from the 80's to 2002. You've seen many high expectations on this forum alone get deflated by the actual outcome. Which brings me back to my point of "why?" Why these high expectations every single time, after so many let downs? I'm at the point where, yes I can scoff at the actions of her and her team sometimes, and disagree. But I have so much else of Celine to enjoy! So, it's not going to dampen my fandom when what we get is what we should have come to expect a long time ago.

this is totally not true. Just look at what happened when she was managed by Aldo. She was part of significant events, even if it was just a presenter at the Grammys, even though she herself wasn’t nominated. She was there. She was on TV. She went on talkshows. There was lots of new footage and many projects. She was in the public eye and people talked about her, even though she had no world tour to promote. She still can do it, but she just doesn’t chose to. Edited November 28, 2020 at 06:59 PM by ryba

[Céline RO]

I think the constant high expectations that never go away comes from the fact that Céline keeps saying “the best is yet to come”. Whether we should believe it or not is debatable but, at least in my case, that’s the main reason. Céline never said she’s slowing down or wants to be away from the spotlight. Instead she keeps saying it’s going to get better, hence the high expectations.

[Céline RO]

this is totally not true. Just look at what happened when she was managed by Aldo. She was part significant events, even if it was just a presenter at the Grammys, even though she herself wasn’t nominated. She was there. She was on TV. She was in the public eye and people talked about her, even though she had no world tour to promote. She still can do it, but she just doesn’t chose to.

 

We should get Céline a manager for Christmas!

[CelinesDIVO5]

this is totally not true. Just look at what happened when she was managed by Aldo. She was part of significant events, even if it was just a presenter at the Grammys, even though she herself wasn’t nominated. She was there. She was on TV. She went on talkshows. There was lots of new footage and many projects. She was in the public eye and people talked about her, even though she had no world tour to promote. She still can do it, but she just doesn’t chose to.

 

When you have a career altering moment such as a change of management after 30 years, yes...you have to do such things. I bet she didn’t really care to do those things, but it had to be proven that she was in good hands...which she actually wasn’t.

[ryba]

When you have a career altering moment such as a change of management after 30 years, yes...you have to do such things. I bet she didn't really care to do those things, but it had to be proven that she was in good hands...which she actually wasn't.

and that’s the whole point. She doesn’t care.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I think the constant high expectations that never go away comes from the fact that Céline keeps saying “the best is yet to come”. Whether we should believe it or not is debatable but, at least in my case, that’s the main reason. Céline never said she’s slowing down or wants to be away from the spotlight. Instead she keeps saying it’s going to get better, hence the high expectations.

 

“The best is yet to come” isn’t necessarily about her music. But just her life. She’s saying that being in her 50s, when so many people write you off - ageism - her life keeps getting better. Ballet, fashion, touring the world for 100,000 people a night screaming their lungs out for her. The best is yet to come doesn’t mean “I’m going to release 4 albums a year and be on every talk show making appearances 5 times a day like my 20s.” The best is yet to come can mean “I’m going to take my time to enjoy life, slow down, play dress up in fancy clothes.”

 

One thing on here many fans say seems to be true: Céline doesn’t care about music the way she used to. That’s not a crime. That’s not a bad thing. It’s an evolution for the woman she is and the life that she lives. She doesn’t live her life for you. If you want to follow an artist who is more interested in making music, go find them. They’re out there. They’re just not Celine anymore. AND THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!

[todos]

I think there is nothing wrong with it also and it is probably a normal process.

 

Imagine you have been in the same profession for over 30 years, at some point it gets boring, you need change, you lose interest or things you have been passionate about and that were once important to you.

 

How would it be for you if people constantly expected you to do everything the way you did it 25 years ago? Wouldn't that be terrible?

Edited November 28, 2020 at 08:27 PM by todos

[CelinesDIVO5]

and that’s the whole point. She doesn’t care.

 

But when she’s made it clear that she doesn’t care about these things, that all she wants to do is sing and have a good time with it, then why bother being mad about something she has been adamant about and that you can’t change?