Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[Nmj]

I laughed when i saw those pics on twitter cause i know damn well those pics are like a week old lmao

 

Of course they take photos and wait they always do that. That’s why the social media team is a joke.

[AdrienneM]

Maybe in November we’ll get pics of her rehearsing for the first show 🤩

[sarit_celine]

Now let's wait for a 5 days-countdown. They could do some cool things filiming something

for a vlog to show some of the excitement for the Tour.

[AdrienneM]

A week... its getting real yall

[Javito]

Did I miss something, were there any talkings about releasing a Spanish album?

 

Yes, like 237 years ago, she kept telling in her interviews that one of her dreams was to record an album in Spanish Last time she mentioned this was in her For Keeps book in 2005

[couldawouldashoulda]

A week... its getting real yall

 

I’m getting so excited!!! I hope I actually make it to opening night. Am flying out day of the show so I need the travel gods to be on my side. I wish I could’ve arrived the night before but I just couldn’t make it work with my schedule.

[sarit_celine]

Yes, like 237 years ago, she kept telling in her interviews that one of her dreams was to record an album in Spanish Last time she mentioned this was in her For Keeps book in 2005

 

If that ever going to happen it will be a smasher seller of an album, let's keep dreaming...

[AdrienneM]

 

 

If that ever going to happen it will be a smasher seller of an album, let's keep dreaming...

 

Will it? Theres zero guarantee of that

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I’m getting so excited!!! I hope I actually make it to opening night. Am flying out day of the show so I need the travel gods to be on my side. I wish I could’ve arrived the night before but I just couldn’t make it work with my schedule.

 

Luckily you have full insurance, i wish more people had that type of insight, thats what i always do if im going anywhere out of driving distance, you’d be a fool to not do it. Regadless i too, am SO excited. I was going to just leave it and watch it all next morning (im off work) but ive decided screw it ill stay up till 2am losing my mind over it lmfao

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Luckily you have full insurance, i wish more people had that type of insight, thats what i always do if im going anywhere out of driving distance, you’d be a fool to not do it. Regadless i too, am SO excited. I was going to just leave it and watch it all next morning (im off work) but ive decided screw it ill stay up till 2am losing my mind over it lmfao

 

I actually found out this morning that my insurance for the Celine ticket didn’t go through - it’s only available for Canadian citizens. So, I can’t be refunded the ticket. All in all, I won’t be terribly disappointed. It was by far the cheapest ticket I’ve bought for this tour - the American dollar is doing very well against the Canadian dollar right now - I was shocked at how cheap this 2nd row seat cost me. But my flight and Rail ticket are insured if I’m not able to make it and that’s the majority of the money spent.

[GoldenLeaf]

There’s still around 1300 tickets unsold for the Opening Night, I guess the high tickets prices have someting to do with this. They really need to lower the prices otherwise the Opening Night won’t be sold out.

[Javito]

Will it? Theres zero guarantee of that

 

No there's not, maybe in your narrow-minded views of a just 10-year old life's experiences , but according to many language statistics Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, after Chinese and already before English https://blog.busuu.c...s-in-the-world/ https://www.ef.com/w...anguages-world/ https://www.swedishn...s-in-the-world/

 

So in my book, there would actually be quite a nice guarantee that a Spanish language album would be successful, and maybe even more than in English, judging by the poor success of her last releases in English

Edited September 11, 2019 at 05:30 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

Yep, most expensive ticket for the 2016 tour front row was like $300 i believe, ticketmaster are well known for their “packages” and “official platinum” scams. Hence why I was super annoyed when they made the switch from AXS to Ticketmaster

[Del]

 

 

 

I really wish I could have gone to the first concert(s)... longest playlist, most excitement. If only Quebec City was easier to reach!

 

You missed your chance to meet MOI. That should have been reason enough to come to Quebec City haha

 

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[AdrienneM]

 

 

No there's not, maybe in now narrow-minded views of a just 10-year old life's experiences, but according to many language statistics Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, after Chinese and before English https://blog.busuu.c...s-in-the-world/ https://www.ef.com/w...anguages-world/ https://www.swedishn...s-in-the-world/

 

So in my book, there would actually be quite a nice guarantee that a Spanish language album would be successful, and maybe even more than in English, judging by the poor success of her last releases in English

 

So because many people speak Spanish theyre automatically all going to go an buy a Celine Dion album? I doubt that highly. English is spoken by 1.5 billion people and yet she scraped 1,000,000 barely with LMBTL. Thats not even 0.006% of the amount of people who speak English! 1 billion people speak Mandarin and yet I guarantee not even 1% of that are all buying one individuals album. To assume that someone will sell well based on the numbers of people who speak the language the song/album is in is idiocy in my opinion

[sarit_celine]

Will it? Theres zero guarantee of that

 

Indeed, I'm afraid if it didn't happen until now chances for that to ever happen are quite low

though it could be really great if she could record one or two new Spanish songs

just like she did on AND, given the massive hardcore fans she has in those Spanish speaking countries.

 

For the moment, I find it complicated to see her going to perform in Spanish speaking countries

given the massive Tour she has until next year. If she won't be able to give there gigs,

at least I hope she will appear in some main shows there

[Javito]

So because many people speak Spanish theyre automatically all going to go an buy a Celine Dion album? I doubt that highly. English is spoken by 1.5 billion people and yet she scraped 1,000,000 barely with LMBTL. Thats not even 0.006% of the amount of people who speak English! 1 billion people speak Mandarin and yet I guarantee not even 1% of that are all buying one individuals album. To assume that someone will sell well based on the numbers of people who speak the language the song/album is in is idiocy in my opinion

 

Fortunately and first of all, we came to learn long ago that selling and being successful don't necessarily go together, let alone nowadays with how the music industry has changed. Sales in music and success go in different directions today, otherwise most artists wouldn't have a career today because they don't sell a s*** of albums

 

And second, I'm sure you are smart enough to know that music is the only thing that knows no language barriers, so it doesn't matter the album was recorded in Spanish, people would buy it either because she's simply Celine Dion or just out of curiosity.

 

And to prove this point, one of the best ambassadors in Spanish Music all over the world is Julio Iglesias, and he's one of the best-selling male artists in history, among the top 10 best selling singers in the world and performing mainly in Spanish all his career, he has sold millions of records no matter in the US, China or Holland. Celine could have achieved the same career had she recorded albums in more languages other than English and French.

 

So what's idiotic is to underestimate and close the door to that option. What we know for sure today, is that there's absolutely no guarantee she's ever going to be successful again with an English album, and that's what's worrying

Edited September 11, 2019 at 05:55 PM by Javito

[sarit_celine]

I see that I didn't understand you correctly Adrienne.

Spanish songs easily become huge hits anywhere around the world

and if it will be well produced (Which I have no doubt it will)

it can be even more successful than her last English albums, agree with Javito on that.

And let's not ignore what a massive successful Tour she can make in those countries

with a full Spanish album or even with some new songs in Spanish, since it's amazing how the people

over there always stated loyal to her, even after they have being waiting for ages... and still waiting

for her to give gigs.

[sarit_celine]

Fortunately and first of all, we came to learn long ago that selling and being successful not necessarily go together. So sales in music and success go in different directions today, otherwise most artists wouldn't have a career today because they don't sell a s*** of albums

 

And second, I'm sure you are smart enough to know that music is the only thing that knows no language barriers, so it doesn't matter the album was recorded in Spanish, people would buy it either because she's simply Celine Dion or just out of curiosity.

 

And to prove this point, one of the best ambassadors in Spanish Music all over the world is Julio Iglesias, and he's one of the best-selling male artists in history, among the top 10 best selling singers in the world and performing mainly in Spanish all his career, he has sold millions of records no matter in the US, China or Holland. Celine could have achieved the same career had she recorded albums in more languages other than English and French.

 

So what's idiotic is to underestimate and close the door to that option. What we know for sure today, is that there's absolutely no guarantee she's ever going to be successful again with an English album, and that's what's worrying

 

Where on earth is Gatica, have he reminded her how good she sounds in Spanish?

I so wish she will come to Spain even for 1 show!

it will be more simply for her than the Latin America countries, no?

If yes, I'm there !

[AdrienneM]

The main reason (for both of your comments) that i think youre silly for making is that irregardless of what language its in, god she could be singing in Igbo, she will NEVER, EVER sell millions of albums ever again. For an album to be a success you at least need a solid charting single and 1 million+ sales, and the chances of that happening whether shes singing in English, Spanish, French, Mandarin, Igbo, Japanese or damn Dothraki, shes never going to have that level of album success again. So this “if she sings in Spanish, she’ll sell well” argument and then bringing up Julio Iglesias as if that is any comparison at all as his last *success* was in 1996 with Tango, so again, that falls through. May i point out i grew up in a multilingual house, I speak English, Italian and some French from my mothers side and Afrikaans and part of Igbo from my fathers, i understand the aspect of non-english cultural aspects and music and art being one of them. The point is, irregardless of what language it is, if someones musical peak is gone, success is minute, had she released a Spanish album in 1995-2002, then absolutely, but past that? No. I dont know why this is even debatable...

[Javito]

I see that I didn't understand you correctly Adrienne.

Spanish songs easily become huge hits anywhere around the world

and if it will be well produced (Which I have no doubt it will)

it can be even more successful than her last English albums, agree with Javito on that.

And let's not ignore what a massive successful Tour she can make in those countries

with a full Spanish album or even with some new songs in Spanish, since it's amazing how the people

over there always stated loyal to her, even after they have being waiting for ages... and still waiting

for her to give gigs.

 

And people in the United States should know for a fact about this, with the huge Spanish-speaking community they have tsss tsss

 

Some people here are too young to know... btw AdrienneM, are you Dion2000 again? Did you change you nickname right? Because you speak exactly the same insulting, arrogant tone as that member and I already had that discussion with her/him not so long ago

Edited September 11, 2019 at 05:59 PM by Javito

[browseceline]

The main reason (for both of your comments) that i think youre silly for making is that irregardless of what language its in, god she could be singing in Igbo, she will NEVER, EVER sell millions of albums ever again. For an album to be a success you at least need a solid charting single and 1 million+ sales, and the chances of that happening whether shes singing in English, Spanish, French, Mandarin, Igbo, Japanese or damn Dothraki, shes never going to have that level of album success again. So this “if she sings in Spanish, she’ll sell well” argument and then bringing up Julio Iglesias as if that is any comparison at all as his last *success* was in 1996 with Tango, so again, that falls through. May i point out i grew up in a multilingual house, I speak English, Italian and some French from my mothers side and Afrikaans and part of Igbo from my fathers, i understand the aspect of non-english cultural aspects and music and art being one of them. The point is, irregardless of what language it is, if someones musical peak is gone, success is minute, had she released a Spanish album in 1995-2002, then absolutely, but past that? No. I dont know why this is even debatable...

 

plus it is not the pre-download & streaming area in which we heard a song, bought the singlecd and blindly went for the cd to be suprised as soon as it played on the cdplayer. The days people really bought cds, or that much cd’s are over.

 

 

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Edited September 11, 2019 at 06:02 PM by browseceline

[AdrienneM]

 

 

And people in the United States should know for a fact about this, with the huge Spanish-speaking community they have tsss tsss

 

Some people here are too young to know... btw AdrienneM, are you Dion2000 again? Did you change you nickname right? Because you speak exactly the same insulting, arrogant tone as that member and I already had that discussion with her/him not so long ago

 

I find it quite insulting that we have one time where we disagree over something as frivolous as this and you assume im someone else you dont like for whatever reason. However, no, im not. I do have that person blocked/ignored as the first day or two i was on here i recall them picking an argument with me, however thats beside the point. And yes, we have a huge spanish speaking community over here, doesnt mean shes gonna all of a sudden sell millions because shes done a spanish album, her days of success are long gone, ive come to terms with that, i think its time others do too

[Davey84]

 

 

 

You missed your chance to meet MOI. That should have been reason enough to come to Quebec City haha

 

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Haha yeah the main reason to go...... after Céline...

 

 

But people please. This is a tour topic not an album wish topic.

 

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[Javito]

The main reason (for both of your comments) that i think youre silly for making is that irregardless of what language its in, god she could be singing in Igbo, she will NEVER, EVER sell millions of albums ever again. For an album to be a success you at least need a solid charting single and 1 million+ sales, and the chances of that happening whether shes singing in English, Spanish, French, Mandarin, Igbo, Japanese or damn Dothraki, shes never going to have that level of album success again. So this "if she sings in Spanish, she'll sell well" argument and then bringing up Julio Iglesias as if that is any comparison at all as his last *success* was in 1996 with Tango, so again, that falls through. May i point out i grew up in a multilingual house, I speak English, Italian and some French from my mothers side and Afrikaans and part of Igbo from my fathers, i understand the aspect of non-english cultural aspects and music and art being one of them. The point is, irregardless of what language it is, if someones musical peak is gone, success is minute, had she released a Spanish album in 1995-2002, then absolutely, but past that? No. I dont know why this is even debatable...

 

And again, that was NOT the point you presented yourself and what we were discussing dear... We were not talking about millions of albums, you did not say how much she would sell, you talked about being or not being successful, and that's pretty different than selling millions of albums today

 

You're completely wrong considering for a fact that you need to sell more than 1 million copies of an album today in order to be considered successful or have a "successful" album. You couldn't be more mistaken! For example, in my country (Spain) you only need 20,000 copies sold to be certified "Gold", and 40,000 copies to be certified "Platinum". And you only need to sell 47 copies to enter the Top 100. So you can imagine how low Celine would need her sales only in Spain to be considered a success with an album in Spanish. Period

 

Of course noooobody affirmed she's going to sell millions of copies of one album ever again, you just said that but nobody was discussing that. It seems you like to twist the flow of the discussions in order to create confusion, but I've (we've) been there before, Dion2000

 

You need to educate yourself more before posting in that arrogant tone, because you're also showing to be clueless

[Flymetothemoon]

The Spanish speaking countries clearly make up a big market (not sure if for sales, but definitely popularity wise) and that’s why so many artists are taping into that resource, with some latino rhythms/sounds/words mixed here and there...it’s an obvious trend for the past 10 years.

 

However, I do not wish for Celine to follow it, unless she remarried a Spanish speaker and 10 years into the marriage she wants to give him sone songs as a gift...definitely not a whole album.

 

It makes sense that Iglesias sings in Spanish and English, the same way she does in French and English; I don’t see the point of the comparison, unless you are trying to suggest someone his age can be still played and even though...

[Javito]

I find it quite insulting that we have one time where we disagree over something as frivolous as this and you assume im someone else you dont like for whatever reason. However, no, im not. I do have that person blocked/ignored as the first day or two i was on here i recall them picking an argument with me, however thats beside the point. And yes, we have a huge spanish speaking community over here, doesnt mean shes gonna all of a sudden sell millions because shes done a spanish album, her days of success are long gone, ive come to terms with that, i think its time others do too

 

And again: nooooooooooooooobody said she's going to sell millions all of a sudden for releasing an album, be it in English or French or Spanish or Hindi. You just came to add that to deviate from your initial point about "being successful or not" with an album in another language :doh:

[Javito]

The Spanish speaking countries clearly make up a big market (not sure if for sales, but definitely popularity wise) and that’s why so many artists are taping into that resource, with some latino rhythms/sounds/words mixed here and there...it’s an obvious trend for the past 10 years.

 

However, I do not wish for Celine to follow it, unless she remarried a Spanish speaker and 10 years into the marriage she wants to give him sone songs as a gift...definitely not a whole album.

 

It makes sense that Iglesias sings in Spanish and English, the same way she does in French and English; I don’t see the point of the comparison, unless you are trying to suggest someone his age can be still played and even though...

 

Yes, but Julio has never had a double career other than his main Spanish-language career. He has recorded songs in English the same as in Portuguese, French, German and Italian, and only ocassionally he has released a full album in those languages (which mostly consist of compilations reuniting all the songs he has been dropping in each language but in different years). On the contrary, Celine has always had, and pretended to have, a double-language career, alternating her albums between French and English releases. This has never been the case of Julio

[AdrienneM]

As davey said, this is a tour thread, I apologise for going off topic. Javito if you want to continue your toddler tantrum you can dm me, otherwise, its done. Finished.

 

Edit: i see no reason in continuing when its clear we’re getting nowhere, we have different opinions and you insist on insulting the intelligence of anyone who even slightly disagrees with your *opinion*.

Edited September 11, 2019 at 06:20 PM by AdrienneM

[Javito]

No Dion2000, I don't need to. My point is very clear and I'm not deviating the discussion introducing arguments that weren't put in question, like you do. Thank you.