Celine Dion and recent comparison with Adele

[Brandon]

 

 

The industry didn't turn on Celine because of rumors of anorexia. If that was true, she would have been finished a long time ago. She stopped charting singles because the industry changed, as did the format of music on the radio. Also, just like her contemporaries, was forced off the radio due to ageism. Now that is a real thing. Adele won't be shunned because of her weight, and you bringing it up just kind of made it seem that you (at least a little bit) think that would be the case.

Of course they turned on Celine accusing her of being anorexic. Don't you recall that era 1996-1998 where she was always being portrayed as being anorexic??? That was the same time she was on top of the music industry. Hmmm, what a coincidence. Turning on someone doesn't mean they became less popular, it means they receive sharp criticism. While it is true that the music indstry changed which contributed to less demand of Celine's music, it is not true to say "ageism" led to her less popularity, as Martina Mcbride, Cher, and Madonna were still very popular and still scoring top 10 hits and still being played on the radio.

Finally, you can't sit there and say Adele won't be "shunned" for her weight because you simply don't know. My point is that with increasing popularity comes increasing negative criticism, and yes they will pick on anything that could be used as a short-coming against you.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Adele's new album sold more than it would normally have because she prohibited any digital streams, samples or whole songs of any of the songs, thereby forcing people to buy the album.

 

But the songs were still available individually for purchase, but people wanted the full album and they bought it. People love Adele. They want everything she puts out.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Of course they turned on Celine accusing her of being anorexic. Don't you recall that era 1996-1998 where she was always being portrayed as being anorexic??? That was the same time she was on top of the music industry. Hmmm, what a coincidence. Turning on someone doesn't mean they became less popular, it means they receive sharp criticism. While it is true that the music indstry changed which contributed to less demand of Celine's music, it is not true to say "ageism" led to her less popularity, as Martina Mcbride, Cher, and Madonna were still very popular and still scoring top 10 hits and still being played on the radio.

Finally, you can't sit there and say Adele won't be "shunned" for her weight because you simply don't know. My point is that with increasing popularity comes increasing negative criticism, and yes they will pick on anything that could be used as a short-coming against you.

 

This whole post contradicted what you initially said though. Your initial point was that Adele was fat and that would hurt her later on. And now you're saying that her weight will just be something to pick on as she gets more successful and the critics start to run out of things to say.

 

And Cher did not have another top 10 after "Believe." Madonna just struck the iron while it was hot by collaborating with Britney and Justin. Had those been solo endeavors, I don't think she would have charted as high. There was a wave for her to ride on after featuring these two artists during their peaks of popularity which made people interested in hearing more from those particular albums. She was a smart business woman in that sense. With all that said though, ageism toward female singers is a real thing.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 06:58 AM by CelinesDIVO5

[Brandon]

 

 

This whole post contradicted what you initially said though. Your initial point was that Adele was fat and that would hurt her later on. And now you're saying that her weight will just be something to pick on as she gets more successful and the critics start to run out of things to say.

 

And Cher did not have another top 10 after "Believe." Madonna just struck the iron while it was hot by collaborating with Britney and Justin. Had those been solo endeavors, I don't think she would have charted as high. There was a wave for her to ride on after featuring these two artists during their peaks of popularity which made people interested in hearing more from those particular albums. She was a smart business woman in that sense. With all that said though, ageism toward female singers is a real thing.

You are using words I didn't use (fat) and taking words out of context.

Espresso said Celine was once popular as Adele is now, and "eventually" she got on some people's nerves and radio programmers nerves. And I agreed by saying not to mention Adele is overweight and eventually they will turn on her too, adding to Xspresso's point.

So you just have to put everything in context. And if you go back and read my initial post you will see for yourself.

So yes that's exactly what I said initially and saying now:That as she gets more successful they will eventually find things to pick on. But it's funny that you read something into it which isn't there because you probably have negative feelings towrds people who are overweight and are projecting this onto others.

[justinecoria]

Adele's new album sold more than it would normally have because she prohibited any digital streams, samples or whole songs of any of the songs, thereby forcing people to buy the album.

Sure. If it is this easy, why doesn't every singer do it?...

In the present world, people don't get 'forced' buying albums anyways. If you don't want to, there are tons of ways of getting it.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 08:13 AM by justinecoria

[justinecoria]

Of course they turned on Celine accusing her of being anorexic. Don't you recall that era 1996-1998 where she was always being portrayed as being anorexic??? That was the same time she was on top of the music industry. Hmmm, what a coincidence. Turning on someone doesn't mean they became less popular, it means they receive sharp criticism.

You're re-writing history here. She was not ALWAYS portrayed as being anorexic. Especially not in 1996-1998. I don't know what you're talking about . Later on, she was, but she was really slim too. It's normal for people to get worried...

 

Finally, you can't sit there and say Adele won't be "shunned" for her weight because you simply don't know. My point is that with increasing popularity comes increasing negative criticism, and yes they will pick on anything that could be used as a short-coming against you.

Actually yes we can. Even Xpresso disagrees with you on this one. Of course, we never know for 100% sure, because nothing is 100% sure, but what you're saying is completely non-sense. You cannot come with something like this and use the reason 'we simply don't know'. A few people call and will call Adele fat, but the majority of the media and the people will not turn on saying she's fat (or big-boned or however you call it).

[Brandon]

Lol believe me. The ppl calling her anorexic wasn't doing so because they were "worried" some people even put up a site called Feed Celine.

I didnt say the majority would shun her. But eventualy ppl will start to pick on her.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 08:43 AM by Brandon

[justinecoria]

Lol believe me. The ppl calling her anorexic wasn't doing so because they were "worried" some people even put up a site called Feed Celine.

I didnt say the majority would shun her. But eventualy ppl will start to pick on her.

They were doing it because Celine was really thin.

There are always people picking on celebrities. That's the downside of being famous. Apart from us the fans, people don't associate Celine with anorexia, because it was not that big of a deal. Maybe it was to you for one reason or another, but this really was nothing. In any case, this has nothing to do with Celine's moderate success recently.

Even if a few people call Adele fat, this won't mean much because the majority of people accept her the way she is. She is just fabulous and in a way she reminds us there's no need to be model-thin to be fabulous. I do not know how you came with this idea that at some point people will turn on her because of her weight

Edited December 6, 2015 at 09:20 AM by justinecoria

[BartFCS]

 

 

And yeah, Aretha covered Celine's songs too. Did Celine say anything about it?

 

Say what?????? Did I miss something? What Celine's song was ever covered by Aretha???

[LukeD]

She's a big-boned lady with a big voice! There I said it...

 

Big voice? Is this still the CelineDionForum? Cause by our standards Adele has an average voice... a pretty small instrument IMO.

[LukeD]

Here is the thing we should all deal with...

 

Back in 2011 when 21 was released there was no real comparison between Celine and Adele. The fact that Adele is currently labeled as the new Celine Dion (...or that she is extensively compared to Celine) means only one thing: The industry is finally replacing Celine.

 

See what happened with Mariah when Ariana Grande began scoring hits, she was labeled the new Mariah. Similar singing style, music and she suddenly became the hottest act of Billboard Hot 100 for 2014. And it all happened when Mariah was over 40 and unable to sell records, as a matter of fact the worst selling year for Mariah was actually the best for Ariana (2014).

 

Back to Celine and Adele... Notice how the entire comparison began in 2015, right after Celine released the lowest selling English album of her career.

 

The only difference is that Ariana is obviously filling Mariah's gap, while Adele is not copying Celine, she's an original.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 01:31 PM by LukeD

[Jeff Abbott]

Here is the thing we should all deal with...

 

Back in 2011 when 21 was released there was no real comparison between Celine and Adele. The fact that Adele is currently labeled as the new Celine Dion (...or that she is extensively compared to Celine) means only one thing: The industry is finally replacing Celine.

Don't you think it's a bit of an overstatement to say that Celine's being replaced?

[zuv]

Celine isnt going anywhere, neither being replaced.

Adele just brought back the ballades. Thats what Celine needed. Watch her blow people's mind with her next power ballad. Lets give Aldo a chance too, we'll see next album what he will bring on the table.

[LukeD]

Don't you think it's a bit of an overstatement to say that Celine's being replaced?

Celine isnt going anywhere, neither being replaced.

Adele just brought back the ballades. Thats what Celine needed. Watch her blow people's mind with her next power ballad. Lets give Aldo a chance too, we'll see next album what he will bring on the table.

Jeff, Celine will still be who she is but the point of my post is that the industry is washing her out. It was the radios first, now the media comparing her to Adele.

 

What next power ballad? The one the radios won't play? Celine is a product for her label, she is 47 years old and comparing the new hot act to her is bad news.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 02:48 PM by LukeD

[zuv]

Hummm, I need a 'dislike' button for your post.

 

awww no one ever said that to me before

 

LOL

so what do you dislike about my post? The thing about Adele? or about Lara?

[justinecoria]

Say what?????? Did I miss something? What Celine's song was ever covered by Aretha???

Youtube removed the videos but there is still this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCMemomnWw

 

And people are dramatizing everything so much here. No one is replacing Celine lol. She was still trending Twitter a couple weeks ago lol. She's still earning more money than almost anyone in the business. Celine won't sell like Adele, but she's still a legend and her albums (providing she works on them) will sell really good.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 04:16 PM by justinecoria

[celinesounds]

Celine isnt going anywhere, neither being replaced.

Adele just brought back the ballades. Thats what Celine needed. Watch her blow people's mind with her next power ballad. Lets give Aldo a chance too, we'll see next album what he will bring on the table.

 

this time they took 2 years to prepare the album

[BartFCS]

Youtube removed the videos but there is still this:

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCMemomnWw[/media]

 

And people are dramatizing everything so much here. No one is replacing Celine lol. She was still trending Twitter a couple weeks ago lol. She's still earning more money than almost anyone in the business. Celine won't sell like Adele, but she's still a legend and her albums (providing she works on them) will sell really good.

Big surprise for me. Thank you. It's amazing!

[LukeD]

The way people take words out of context and get defensive never fails to amaze me.

[LukeD]

 

And people are dramatizing everything so much here. No one is replacing Celine lol. She was still trending Twitter a couple weeks ago lol. She's still earning more money than almost anyone in the business. Celine won't sell like Adele, but she's still a legend and her albums (providing she works on them) will sell really good.

Your comments are irrelevant to what I said as I never talked about money, nor about her status as a music legend. My post is about the strategy that is followed to slowly establish Adele as the new Celine Dion. I might also remind you that SONY made a similar attempt back in 2000 by promoting Lara Fabian while Celine took her 2 years break. They needed someone to fill her gap. Now they will focus on the money machine of the era that is Adele. Never before had another singer been labeled as ''Celine Dion'' because Celine never had an album to perform poorly in US like LMBTL did. (And please no comments defending the performance of LMBTL in US. It tanked. End of.)

[CelinesDIVO5]

You are using words I didn't use (fat) and taking words out of context.

Espresso said Celine was once popular as Adele is now, and "eventually" she got on some people's nerves and radio programmers nerves. And I agreed by saying not to mention Adele is overweight and eventually they will turn on her too, adding to Xspresso's point.

So you just have to put everything in context. And if you go back and read my initial post you will see for yourself.

So yes that's exactly what I said initially and saying now:That as she gets more successful they will eventually find things to pick on. But it's funny that you read something into it which isn't there because you probably have negative feelings towrds people who are overweight and are projecting this onto others.

 

Ummm...I am overweight lol so that point is moot. If it was taken out of context, I wasn't the only one. Be more careful with how you word things because the way it was written projected that the reason people would turn on her in addition to being all over the place was that she was overweight. And reading back, I'm not the only one who took your post this way.

[celinesounds]

We all know that maybe one of the reasons why LMBTL didn't did well, was no promotion, and René discover his cancer by that time, than was the tour in Paris while she should be promoting the English album

[Kyle_Jared]

it's perfectly normal for artists to be compared to the greats of their time. Adele being compared to Celine is like Celine being compared to Barbra Streisand in the 90's. Even when they did their duet "Tell Him" Celine's album "Let's Talk About Love" outsold Barbra's by millions (due in part, to Titanic) but even before that, Falling Into you was massive and outselling any recent Streisand albums.

 

Adele, will very unlikely EVER match the opening week numbers of 25, and the industry (some) will say "Oh yes, she sold 800,000 opening week, but her last album did 3.5 Million).

 

Celine is past her prime for radio but she is considered a legend by many and even Adele herself referenced Celine as a inspiration in part, to song Hello.

 

Celine had her albums year after year sell tens of millions of albums. But that is impossible to maintain when your career stretches over DECADES. The fact she selling out Paris and hundreds of thousands of tickets in Vegas every year is a testament to her legacy. History speaks for itself. The day will come when Adele gets no airplay. But for now it's her time. let's enjoy her and Celine simultaneously

[LukeD]

We all know that maybe one of the reasons why LMBTL didn't did well, was no promotion, and René discover his cancer by that time, than was the tour in Paris while she should be promoting the English album

No promotion? She was on every major US Tv show promoting the lead single and the album. That was before Rene's illness.

 

I remind you she performed on The Voice and only sold like 35k the following week. People in US simply did not care about the new sound she offered. Actually, there have been many discussions on the forum about how Europe and Canada seem more open to Celine trying new things, while the American audience wants her to stay in her confort zone and do her traditional ballads.

Edited December 6, 2015 at 08:58 PM by LukeD

[celinesounds]

No promotion? She was on every major US Tv show promoting the lead single and the album. That was before Rene's illness.

 

I remind you she performed on The Voice and only sold like 35k the following week. People in US simply did not care about the new sound she offered. Actually, there have been many discussions on the forum about how Europe and Canada seem more open to Celine trying new things, while the American audience wants her to stay in her confort zone and do her traditional ballads.

 

1st - There was no music video to the lead single

 

2nd - they left the promotion weeks after the album release

 

3rd - there were no third single in the US

 

The only music video made to promote the album, was release several months after the single released

 

She did 3/4 songs at american television only, Breakaway and Save your soul sounds more US than Water and the flame or Somebody loves somebody, witch to me is more European sound

 

Thankful or Always be your girl, could have done well on AC, but they abandon the album promotion and never release those songs

 

There was no decent remixes for the following single - Incredible

 

Only Sony Music in UK, did something for the album, they brought extra promotion singles to radios, like Breakaway and WaF

Edited December 6, 2015 at 09:27 PM by celinesounds

[CelinesDIVO5]

No promotion? She was on every major US Tv show promoting the lead single and the album. That was before Rene's illness.

 

I remind you she performed on The Voice and only sold like 35k the following week. People in US simply did not care about the new sound she offered. Actually, there have been many discussions on the forum about how Europe and Canada seem more open to Celine trying new things, while the American audience wants her to stay in her confort zone and do her traditional ballads.

 

1st - There was no music video to the lead single

 

2nd - they left the promotion weeks after the album release

 

3rd - there were no third single in the US

 

The only music video made to promote the album, was release several months after the single released

 

She did 3/4 songs at american television only, Breakaway and Save your soul sounds more US than Water and the flame or Somebody loves somebody, witch to me is more European sound

 

Thankful or Always be your girl, could have done well on AC, but they abandon the album promotion and never release those songs

 

There was no decent remixes for the following single - Incredible

 

Only Sony Music in UK, did something for the album, they brought extra promotion singles to radios, like Breakaway and WaF

 

You are both right. The promo she did in the U.S. was good promo. She hit the right TV shows, had a holiday special and the amazingly reviewed Pandora concert. However, the beginning of the promo with Katie Couric and Ellen was out of place. On Katie, they still weren't sure what they were doing with the album, and she was on Ellen months before the album was released with nothing in between then and the album release week. Sony wasn't pushing any material from the album for listening purposes, therefore the "new sound" didn't reach as many people as it could have, so that marketing plan failed miserably. And unfortunately, Rene fell ill and the promo just crumbled. They fulfilled whatever promotional obligations they had set to that point and if anything else was planned, it was canceled. And rightfully so. I believe LMBTL is the English "Delles" in terms of Celine being so excited about this album and she never really got to do anything with it.

 

 

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Edited December 6, 2015 at 09:45 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[mirage]

It has nothing to do with the type of song.

It's about the person who sings it.

 

If an Adele would have sung 'Breakaway' on that tv show, the whole world would report about it, and the whole world got excited.

 

And it would be played everywhere.

 

If celine would have sung 'Hello' nobody would care, not 1 radio/tv station would play it, and it wouldn't get played in a club.

 

It annoys me that every fart that comes out of Adele is amazing, and that like really everybody likes her just because everybody likes her.

It has nothing to do with music or songs anymore.

 

Celine isnt going anywhere, neither being replaced.

Adele just brought back the ballades. Thats what Celine needed. Watch her blow people's mind with her next power ballad. Lets give Aldo a chance too, we'll see next album what he will bring on the table.

[justinecoria]

It has nothing to do with the type of song.

It's about the person who sings it.

 

If an Adele would have sung 'Breakaway' on that tv show, the whole world would report about it, and the whole world got excited.

 

And it would be played everywhere.

 

If celine would have sung 'Hello' nobody would care, not 1 radio/tv station would play it, and it wouldn't get played in a club.

 

It annoys me that every fart that comes out of Adele is amazing, and that like really everybody likes her just because everybody likes her.

It has nothing to do with music or songs anymore.

Bitter much? It took Adele a few years and a great voice for her to come to this point, where yes every fart that comes out of her is amazing. And to be honest, yes I find everything she is doing now amazing. 25 is a really really good album.

 

And yeah, Hello sung by Celine wouldn't have that much success, because the song is suited to Adele's voice. Celine's version of Rolling In The Deep had all the right notes, but I wasn't convinced by it. I would still choose Adele's version everyday to sing on or to listen to. The same way Adele would sound really bad singing Celine's songs.

Some singers get famous and people follow them like lambs (we Celine fans know a lot about that), but one shouldn't forget why Adele is where she is. And let's not discredit her voice that easily. The quality of a voice is not only about range. Celine wouldn't be one of the greatest voice ever if this was the case.

[CelinesDIVO5]

It has nothing to do with the type of song.

It's about the person who sings it.

 

If an Adele would have sung 'Breakaway' on that tv show, the whole world would report about it, and the whole world got excited.

 

And it would be played everywhere.

 

If celine would have sung 'Hello' nobody would care, not 1 radio/tv station would play it, and it wouldn't get played in a club.

 

It annoys me that every fart that comes out of Adele is amazing, and that like really everybody likes her just because everybody likes her.

It has nothing to do with music or songs anymore.

 

All it took was one amazing performance of "Chasing Pavements" on SNL here in the states for her to garner enough popularity to get Best New Artist at the Grammys in 2009, and then she took off from there. Celine had her hey day just like Adele is having. During the MHWGO era, everyone was Celine crazed. Why shouldn't another talented artist get to experience the same thing? Especially in a world where true artists aren't nearly as appreciated as they used to be.

[scielle]

It has nothing to do with the type of song.

It's about the person who sings it.

 

If an Adele would have sung 'Breakaway' on that tv show, the whole world would report about it, and the whole world got excited.

 

And it would be played everywhere.

 

If celine would have sung 'Hello' nobody would care, not 1 radio/tv station would play it, and it wouldn't get played in a club.

 

It annoys me that every fart that comes out of Adele is amazing, and that like really everybody likes her just because everybody likes her.

It has nothing to do with music or songs anymore.

 

Well then, perhaps Celine needs a bit of an image overhaul.

I just don't think a "lifestyle brand" or whatever it is Aldo was going on about a while back is it. In fact, that's the complete opposite of IT.

That would be going in completely wrong direction - even worse than the whole perfume thing (which for me was a massive turn off; that's about the time I stopped following Celine because I felt it was a massive sell-out move. And it took me a good decade+ to get back into the fold, so... Please Aldo, no Celine-branded linens or potpourri or anything like that. Please.)