"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Xpresso]

As far as I know, Céline only mentioned way back that the album was planned for Fall 2018 - if it's ready. Wasn't planned for any sooner imo.

I hope that Sony's non-communication means a surprise release à la Beyoncé (and no snippets). It's the best way to prevent bad pre-reviews and vibes. Surprise us Sony!!

[mirage]

Hahaha right!

We can do a little dreaming here.

 

If it would happen we wouldn't be able to function normally haha

 

 

 

O.M.G. Even IMAGINING most of this is true has made me so happy!!

 

 

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[ryba]

Yeah, Ashes was a big surprise too, they haven‘t announced it long in advance.

 

Maybe they will just all of sudden drop the album and a new single and the netflix docu soon and make her do tv appearences. That would be pretty cool

[Javito]

All I hope this album isn't following the same creative process as LMBTL :no: Edited August 31, 2018 at 02:36 PM by Javito

[scielle]

As far as I know, Céline only mentioned way back that the album was planned for Fall 2018 - if it's ready. Wasn't planned for any sooner imo.

I hope that Sony's non-communication means a surprise release à la Beyoncé (and no snippets). It's the best way to prevent bad pre-reviews and vibes. Surprise us Sony!!

 

There was all sorts of press from "official"/ semi-official sources back in 2016, far earlier than Celine's first mention of it, suggesting a much earlier release (late '16/ early '17). Recovering was touted as "the first single" at the time.(And Recovering is 2 years old now...)

[CSCfan]

There was all sorts of press from "official"/ semi-official sources back in 2016, far earlier than Celine's first mention of it, suggesting a much earlier release (late '16/ early '17). Recovering was touted as "the first single" at the time.(And Recovering is 2 years old now...)

 

It all began with the press conference in Vegas in August 2015 when she resumed her residency. There it was mentioned a new French album for 2016 and a new English album for 2017.

[scielle]

It all began with the press conference in Vegas in August 2015 when she resumed her residency. There it was mentioned a new French album for 2016 and a new English album for 2017.

 

Actually, at the time Recovering came out (1st week of Sept 2016), it was introduced as the new single off her upcoming album "due in stores later this year" or "expected to drop later this year", according to a bunch of articles at the time.

So yeah, we've been waiting 2 years. This "new singe" no longer so new!

 

Just... really frustrating when other artists are so much more prolific, regularly getting new material out there, dropping surprise tracks, albums with 20+ songs, etc. etc. Staying top-of-mind in the public zeitgeist.

I know, I know Celine has very valid reasons. I know she has other priorities at this point. I know she performs a lot more than most. All understandable.

 

But the issue with waiting so long is, well, the stuff that she recorded 2 years ago is likely to no longer resonate with her the same way it did at the time, it's all going to feel stale, so even if she does perform those tracks live... it won't be the same as it was "in the moment".

 

And when breaks between records are so substantial, any experiment or diversion from the "tried and true" is inevitably going to be attacked by some as "oh my god, she's changing her religion!" Whereas for artists that regularly release new stuff, experimentation is so much more accepted and appreciated. Your "regular audience" isn't going to run away if you try something new, because they'll understand it's just a phase / you trying new things, and you'll come back to your "usual self" soon enough.

 

(This is nowhere more clear than with one of my other faves - Elvis Costello. The first time he released something very different - a collaborative ballads album with Burt Bacharach in the 90s - everyone was up-in-arms about a punk rocker doing torch songs. But now he has genre-hopped so much, people are completely OK (and excited about) him releasing a punk record and a classical ballet score album the same year! Some of it I love, some of it I don't, but I know he's always going to do something interesting and if I don't like one thing, I know he'll have something new and very different next year.)

 

I only tell you all this... because I wish Celine would have the same flexibility and understanding from her fanbase...

And the thing is, for every album she records so many songs... but then they cut it all down to 12/13. (And Drake just released an album that's - what - 25?)

Ugh. There's so much unreleased Celine material. Let us have it!

[CSchmidt]

Actually, at the time Recovering came out (1st week of Sept 2016), it was introduced as the new single off her upcoming album "due in stores later this year" or "expected to drop later this year", according to a bunch of articles at the time.

So yeah, we've been waiting 2 years. This "new singe" no longer so new!

 

Just... really frustrating when other artists are so much more prolific, regularly getting new material out there, dropping surprise tracks, albums with 20+ songs, etc. etc. Staying top-of-mind in the public zeitgeist.

I know, I know Celine has very valid reasons. I know she has other priorities at this point. I know she performs a lot more than most. All understandable.

 

But the issue with waiting so long is, well, the stuff that she recorded 2 years ago is likely to no longer resonate with her the same way it did at the time, it's all going to feel stale, so even if she does perform those tracks live... it won't be the same as it was "in the moment".

 

And when breaks between records are so substantial, any experiment or diversion from the "tried and true" is inevitably going to be attacked by some as "oh my god, she's changing her religion!" Whereas for artists that regularly release new stuff, experimentation is so much more accepted and appreciated. Your "regular audience" isn't going to run away if you try something new, because they'll understand it's just a phase / you trying new things, and you'll come back to your "usual self" soon enough.

 

(This is nowhere more clear than with one of my other faves - Elvis Costello. The first time he released something very different - a collaborative ballads album with Burt Bacharach in the 90s - everyone was up-in-arms about a punk rocker doing torch songs. But now he has genre-hopped so much, people are completely OK (and excited about) him releasing a punk record and a classical ballet score album the same year! Some of it I love, some of it I don't, but I know he's always going to do something interesting and if I don't like one thing, I know he'll have something new and very different next year.)

 

I only tell you all this... because I wish Celine would have the same flexibility and understanding from her fanbase...

And the thing is, for every album she records so many songs... but then they cut it all down to 12/13. (And Drake just released an album that's - what - 25?)

Ugh. There's so much unreleased Celine material. Let us have it!

25 Songs? Edited August 31, 2018 at 11:42 PM by CSchmidt

[scielle]

25 Songs?

 

Yep. 25 tracks on Scorpion.

[your_light]

25 songs isn't really a feat when it's all just repetitive computer generated sounds that Drake has to talk over. Producers in that genre can knock out a song in minutes. It's all about quality over quantity at the end of the day.

[scielle]

25 songs isn't really a feat when it's all just repetitive computer generated sounds that Drake has to talk over. Producers in that genre can knock out a song in minutes. It's all about quality over quantity at the end of the day.

 

True.

But Celine can knock them out, too, since she's not exactly the composer & lyricist who needs the time and the "flash of inspiration" to write. And it's not like her producers need to do much "fixing", so equally capable of "knocking it out" in short order.

I'm sure she gets piles of great songs sent her way, and she records a lot more of them than they ever release. They're sitting on heaps of material...

[smw]

I hope this album feels right for this moment in Celine's career.

 

I felt that way with Sans Attendre and Encore un Soir --- but I did not feel that way with Loved Me Back To Life.

 

I honestly feel like her English discography has been lacking since A New Day Has Come. That was the last Celine English record that felt like CELINE and it just felt right and made sense.

 

I like many tracks on Taking Chances and Loved Me Back To Life --- but those albums just didn't feel like the monumental Celine Dion albums I'm used to.

 

I feel like they can really get it right with this new English record. Just choose meaningful songs. Have Celine sound like CELINE -- and not trying to sound like anyone else. Make it personal and meaningful and beautiful and that's all we need.

[ryba]

I hope this album feels right for this moment in Celine's career.

 

I felt that way with Sans Attendre and Encore un Soir --- but I did not feel that way with Loved Me Back To Life.

 

I honestly feel like her English discography has been lacking since A New Day Has Come. That was the last Celine English record that felt like CELINE and it just felt right and made sense.

 

I like many tracks on Taking Chances and Loved Me Back To Life --- but those albums just didn't feel like the monumental Celine Dion albums I'm used to.

 

I feel like they can really get it right with this new English record. Just choose meaningful songs. Have Celine sound like CELINE -- and not trying to sound like anyone else. Make it personal and meaningful and beautiful and that's all we need.

yeah, and please Celine, leave that awful raspy bedroom voice at the door once and for all. We dont want it anymore! We want crystal clear, pure vocals! Edited September 1, 2018 at 07:09 AM by ryba

[CELINO]

yeah, and please Celine, leave that awful raspy bedroom voice at the door once and for all. We dont want it anymore! We want crystal clear, pure vocals!

 

I think she's dealing With her "new" voice and way of singing. It's true that Vegas gave her a wonderful opportunity, but her voice changed. Also I have the feeling that she's not working on her vocal cords like she used to do. We'll see.

Edited September 1, 2018 at 07:24 AM by CELINO

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I think she's dealing With her "new" voice and way of singing. It's true that Vegas gave her a wonderful opportunity, but her voice changed. Also I have the feeling that she's not working on her vocal cords like she used to do. We'll see.

 

Please consider the fact that her age has absolutely the lot to do with her voice changing. I’m so over this “Vegas blame” BS. Her voice has changed, yes. More because of age. And it’s still fabulous.

[CelinesDIVO5]

I would love Céline to actually do an album of songs that she turned down. Call the album “Revisited” and put short stories in the liner notes or do a documentary as she records them and tells the story of how it was presented and why she initially declined. That would be very interesting.

[ryba]

I would love Céline to actually do an album of songs that she turned down. Call the album “Revisited” and put short stories in the liner notes or do a documentary as she records them and tells the story of how it was presented and why she initially declined. That would be very interesting.

yeah, or include it as a deluxe bonus for a new release

[Shamrock_1982]

Well it’s September now...

[Javito]

I hope this album feels right for this moment in Celine's career.

 

I felt that way with Sans Attendre and Encore un Soir --- but I did not feel that way with Loved Me Back To Life.

 

I honestly feel like her English discography has been lacking since A New Day Has Come. That was the last Celine English record that felt like CELINE and it just felt right and made sense.

 

I like many tracks on Taking Chances and Loved Me Back To Life --- but those albums just didn't feel like the monumental Celine Dion albums I'm used to.

 

I feel like they can really get it right with this new English record. Just choose meaningful songs. Have Celine sound like CELINE -- and not trying to sound like anyone else. Make it personal and meaningful and beautiful and that's all we need.

 

Exactly. Or to put it in other words: since she started her insane Vegas performing obsession, she has never recorded again a consistent English album, for whatever reason. I don't blame Vegas for that, but it's obvious that her priority to deliver top quality albums in English passed to a very secondary level somehow since 2003. And today, worst is that we don't even know what importance does she give to recording music anymore It's clearly not as fun and important to her as formerly anymore

 

So call it rushed projects, lack of time due to her busy performing schedule, lost direction, lack of concepts, but none English album after ANDHC have had a real sense of coherence and unity like all her English albums before. Their approach to her English albums since then has been more like picking a bunch of random songs for each album, gathering a vast array of producers and songwriters who have no clue of who is doing what, and mix them together and "let's see what we get" With Taking Chances she still delivered a coherent album in terms of sound and production, but still lyrically some of the songs seem out of place in the album. Still I think TC album is a very good album, and her effort to step out of her comfort zone was most notably in this disc

 

Now let's see where this long awaited album leads. But it's puzzling to say the least that she hasn't found an English version of Jean-Jacques Goldman for her English career, that writes her a full English album at least once, or wants to produce her a full English album, giving it the soundness and coherence that she's been so badly lacking since 15 years ago.

 

Luckily her French productions have remained far from this accquired "habit" now.

 

Please consider the fact that her age has absolutely the lot to do with her voice changing. I'm so over this "Vegas blame" BS. Her voice has changed, yes. More because of age. And it's still fabulous.

 

And for Vegas overuse

 

The proof of what I say is true is simply supported if we go back to how she sang in 2004, after only one year of incessant performing in Vegas. Then the drastic change in her way of singing become evident and the first signs that this wasn't healthy started to show (cancelled shows, nasal sound in her voice to sing under her abilities because she was instructed not to force her voice, virus she never got before etc).

Edited September 1, 2018 at 10:51 AM by Javito

[Kyle_Jared]

So Sony Music UK have no news about a new album, and it's September? Also no single, no buzz about it at her concerts which just concluded, no promo so far and she starts back in Vegas the end of next month? Unless she hustles like crazy between now and mid-October, I can't see this album coming out this year. Which would be insane....

 

I mean, doesn't just usually fly over to the UK to do some press given how it's paid off in the past? When could she do that ,unless she did it early Oct/ late September.

 

For some reason I feel that if this album comes out this year it will week of Thanksgiving in USA ; the week after her Vegas dates conclude until December 28, with the first single sometime in October.

 

She's also going to be going against A Star is Born Soundtrack, when the film is released October 5; and already has serious Oscar buzz. Will likely dominate the charts.

 

Again, I hope they don't royally screw this up.

Edited September 1, 2018 at 11:16 AM by Kyle_Jared

[mb011]

I am pretty sure there is no new album anytime soon... judging by the current situation...

 

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[flutefreak]

I wonder if that raspy bedroom voice from LMBTL was her idea or if someone told her that's what the people want because its popular on radio now or what. Like why did she record that way? I just want Celine to sound like Celine not her trying to imitate someone else because her voice is so unique and that's why I love her. She absolutely has to do meaningful songs for her at this stage in her life using her unique sound and voice. I wonder if the whole project was scrapped honestly.

[Javito]

And not to mention after each tour and all the travelling she must feel exhausted, only wanting to rest. If I were on her shoes, the least thing I'd like after a summer tour rolling through all Asia and Oceania would be to emabark on a new promotional tour that keeps me travelling once again and on an even more packed schedule . She's been doing this tours for 3 years on a row, don't forget.

 

Who knows what's in her head, she's a box full of surprises sometimes, but I told you, there's too much touring and performing activity lately and very little focus/interest/dedication on new albums and new music...

Edited September 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM by Javito

[CSCfan]

And not to mention after each tour and all the travelling she must feel exhausted, only wanting to rest.

 

Something that is totally not the case with Vegas! :w00t: :clap:

 

Oh btw, after I'm done working... I also feel exhausted, only wanting to rest..

[mirage]

Like Céline says... Keep on dreaming hahah

 

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[Javito]

omg the eccentric looks again

 

But is that a hidden message to read between lines, about the new album? If that's the case, yes Céline, we know you're keeping the whole process veeeeeery calm indeed

[frana]

Keep Calm and Daydream On… - Céline xx…

Garder le calme et continuer à rêvasser… - Céline xx…

@sydneylopez

[CSCfan]

omg the eccentric looks again

 

But is that a hidden message to read between lines, about the new album? If that's the case, yes Céline, we know you're keeping the whole process veeeeeery calm indeed

 

And that we need to "keep dreaming on...."

[stevo]

Suppose we don’t know when this was taken, but do we think it’s Vegas dressing room?

[Javito]

Must be an outdoors dressing room and the sun must be shining hard, because she's wearing a good pair of sunglasses