"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ryba]

I never insulted you? You made a personal attack relating to my life and I did not respond back. I said I would not bother. And then discussion was over.

 

You're very unfair.

 

Second time you are being offensive by telling me to shut up. Second time I will not respond back. I take this stance with you cause I don't t think you're mean spirited. But I find you very naive.

lol you‘re truly a master in twisting facts... And now you’re insulting me by telling me that you think I’m naive. Javito is right. You’re a moron... now I’m done with you. Don’t bother to read your replies or answering to you. Edited October 16, 2019 at 01:51 PM by ryba

[AdrienneM]

Wrong thread Edited October 16, 2019 at 01:42 PM by AdrienneM

[LukeD]

 

 

Attacking members and playing victim at the same time, it's been the same vicious circle for years. Not even the block option seems to get around him.

Preach!

 

I am so happy there are still smart people around here. A true relief. Like read ANY article on toxic people. There are two patterns in their behavior ONLY: 1. Making you feel like s***. 2.Playing the victim when cornered. Can be applied to every type of relationship. Family, personal, professional, distant, online. The pattern is the same.

 

Like I will post that people are bitching, that they are deluded, but when 4-5 people call me out on that I will be the victim of a conspiracy against me! Cause, you, me, xpresso, Matthew, manu have a sinned a contract apparently! This toxicity is what's going on here for years and as I said I am happy people have picked that up.

[AdrienneM]

Christ... people in their 30s/40s acting like a bunch of kids during recess.... and I aint talking about Luke 🙃

[CSCfan]

 

Deserves to be on the next page also.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I'm trying to explain that I'm not new to this forum and know how fans can be mean toward

others just for not agreeing or just because it makes their day (that's a quote).

Yes, I don't read all the conversations that members having here but

this "phenomena" that memebers don't have a minimal respect here is not something new

to the point memebers don't read their real opinion since they know they will get bashed.

 

When I got bashed or Ryba or others, silence... hence members here know very well

to have their "objective eye" if they can ignore some cases and intervene in others.

 

By the way, another disgusting "phenomenon" that this place owns is that memebers here

look down on other members after they see their age.

Adrienne gets offensive comments just because of her age.

 

Then I refuse to play this game toward "the one and only bad member here"

since it's more wider than this.

 

Sometimes I prefer to be on FB, in one nice peaceful

group of Celine to avoid seeing so many hatred just for the cause of hating.

Best!

 

I’ve come to the defense of many members in the past. I’ve gone to moderators. They seem to be limited in their authority, and not much has been done. So, if they can’t do anything then I certainly can’t and I no longer get involved in spars between members.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

One does not build up and keep feuds with another part if the other is not interested in feuding. And for some reason I don’t get to understand,, you and the same couple of your friends seem to love this feuding as long as it’s ME the person involved, being immediately punctual and ready to butt in when the feud is not even about you.

 

This is not playing the victim, this is playing the bitching and nasty against another member just for the sake of it, or purely for your own amusement?

 

You are an instigator. Plain and simple. Even when you’ve been asked nicely to cut the crap, you don’t and you haven’t. That’s how you keep up a feud with somebody. You act like you are this angel who only expresses opinions and is never mean to anyone. That is a bunch of bullshít.

[A new day...]

Who seriously care, I personnaly won't read any of your feud messages.

 

[LukeD]

lol you‘re truly a master in twisting facts... And now you’re insulting me by telling me that you think I’m naive. Javito is right. You’re a moron... now I’m done with you. Don’t bother to read your replies or answering to you.

This is crazy!

 

You asked a question on songwriting and I said that I cannot believe someone would ask that since artists like Mariah exist. You know this was a funny comment about HER. Because she is always working with many songwriters for 1 song. I noticed you took it personally when you responded to that comment. To lighten things up I said something silly about figurative and literal language. And then you said that I was ridiculing you and that this said a lot about my life. I did not want to attack back and ANYONE can read this. So again I did not respond to the attack. I specifically said I would not bother. You dismissed the discussion. I did not respond.

 

Now you come back with worse s***. And OF COURSE I will say you're naive since you're telling me to shut up. What do you people expect? To hurt and not be hurt back? If you dare and have the guts show me how I twisted my words. Cause all posts are still THERE. Otherwise take your advice and kindly shut up.

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Edited October 16, 2019 at 02:37 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Ajax]

There is always, absolutely always one common denominator in all that. And we know who.

 

I mean that says it all.

 

 

[sarit_celine]

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[Chantemoi]

I would really appreciate it if the aruging between members switched to PRIVATE MESSAGES (you guys know that’s a feature on this forum, right?).

 

Continuing these fights in a public forum is inconsiderate to other members, who are here for Céline - NOT your petty and downright childish squabbles.

 

Why we can’t all treat this space with a professional attitude is beyond me. We are all peers, regardless of age, nationality, gender, etc. If you can’t learn to live with other people who have drastically different opinions, then you should probably avoid talking in public.

 

This post is not directed at anyone in particular. (Unless the moderators are listening. In that case, I plead for you to intervene!!!)

[guigafs15]

Nicki Minaj confirmed she is in the Adele's new single, and the video is already done.

 

So, unfortunately, I guess the rumours are real.

[Javito]

You are an instigator. Plain and simple. Even when you've been asked nicely to cut the crap, you don't and you haven't. That's how you keep up a feud with somebody. You act like you are this angel who only expresses opinions and is never mean to anyone. That is a bunch of bullshít.

 

Aren't you instigating all this, right now, when nobody asked you anything? Why should I cut the crap when YOU come front stage to revive all this crap and you are precisely provoking more replies?

 

Someone alreadt said that there's people in this forum like snakes hidden in the dark that they usually and only come to the light to add more fuel to the fire, and here's the example now. You were not attacked, nor quoted, nor insulted here and now, and yet you always come to revive the crap. So what you say doesn't make much nosense sorry, because what you condemn is exactly what you DON'T DO. So before giving lessons, preach what you (don't) do first. Thank you.

Edited October 16, 2019 at 02:39 PM by Javito

[LukeD]

I am residing the Twilight Zone!

 

Luke: Why is it so hard to grasp the concept that one might not like CFTF? It is not an important song in her catalog, she has barely performed it live, its total views on YT are below 1m, it is not known as fan favorite.

 

Javito: You specifically included the "fan favorite" quote to add basis to your point of a song being "better" than others, or deserving the honour to be performed live or not.

 

Luke: I never spoke about whether a song deserves to be performed live or not.

 

OK. The art of twisting one's words and when they disagree, they are being accused of twisting their own words!

[Chantemoi]

 

 

Aren't you instigating all this, right now, when nobody asked you anything? Why should I cut the crap when YOU come front stage to revive all this crap and you are precisely provoking more replies?

 

Someone alreadt said that there's people in this forum like snakes hidden in the dark that they usually and only come to the light to add more fuel to the fire, and here's the example now. You were not attacked, nor quoted, nor insulted here and now, and yet you always come to revive the crap. So what you say doesn't make much nosense sorry, because what you condemn is exactly what you DON'T DO. So before giving lessons, preach what you (don't) do first. Thank you.

 

Javito, YOU JUST LIKED MY COMMENT about switching to Direct Messages and then continued to post in the Courage album thread. THIS is the kind of post I’m talking about!!! Please, for the love of Céline Dion!!

[Javito]

Luke: "She has barely performed it live", so what? That's why I said this apparently gives to you more basis to like a song or not, making its importance dependant on whether it has been chosen to be performed live or not... even the Youtube views is such a futile, banal argument to defend why does anybody like a song or not!

 

Who of all those fans who posted they love CFTF do care if the song has 1 or 1 million YouTube views, or if it has been performed live, in order to like the song?? Makes no sense at all. Your argument didn't make sense at all in order to defend why you don't like this particular song. Sad to hear you like or dislike Celine songs depending on live performances or YouTube views

 

Anyway, I'm done now. You either want to understand a reply, or you don't want to. You enter in your blinded, stubborn mode, close your mind and it's "me, myself and I always having the last word".

 

I'm done lol. It's totally useless and toxic to discuss anything with you.

Edited October 16, 2019 at 02:51 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Aren't you instigating all this, right now, when nobody asked you anything? Why should I cut the crap when YOU come front stage to revive all this crap and you are precisely provoking more replies?

 

Someone alreadt said that there's people in this forum like snakes hidden in the dark that they usually and only come to the light to add more fuel to the fire, and here's the example now. You were not attacked, nor quoted, nor insulted here and now, and yet you always come to revive the crap. So what you say doesn't make much nosense sorry, because what you condemn is exactly what you DON'T DO. So before giving lessons, preach what you (don't) do first. Thank you.

 

I’m actually not hiding in the dark. I’m rather active on this forum, but you may not see that between your rants about how Vegas ruined Celine’s career or how ANDHC is her most prolific era.

 

I’ve even had some nice replies and exchanges recently with you. I’ve apologized to you in the past for coming down hard on you, which was apparently a mistake and poor judgement on my part. You’ve been asked NUMEROUS times by multiple members (some who tend to usually skip over your posts) to knock it off and be a little nicer to people, to please stop clogging every topic with your incessant and redundant posts. But you have no respect for anyone else. You care only for your narrow minded narrative, and having the last word.

[Ajax]

Nicki Minaj confirmed she is in the Adele's new single, and the video is already done.

 

So, unfortunately, I guess the rumours are real.

 

God please someone explain me the strategy putting Céline and Adele almost the same date. That really freaks me out. Not about potentially not being number one or selling less just explain me what is the goal behind that. I can't with that. Let the public enjoy things and let the artist express himself in a normal environment. God.

[Loup_garou]

OK let's change the tune ...has this been posted?....there's an unreleased version of Boundaries by Maty Noyes, there's a 30 second clip that's sounds very promising with Céline vocals.

 

 

https://www.umusicpu...oyes-boundaries

 

and also it seems the Credits for Perfect Goodbye are linked to Corey Sanders, Freddy Wexler, and Max Wolfgang

Edited October 16, 2019 at 02:58 PM by Loup_garou

[LukeD]

I would really appreciate it if the aruging between members switched to PRIVATE MESSAGES (you guys know that's a feature on this forum, right?).

 

Continuing these fights in a public forum is inconsiderate to other members, who are here for Céline - NOT your petty and downright childish squabbles.

 

Why we can't all treat this space with a professional attitude is beyond me. We are all peers, regardless of age, nationality, gender, etc. If you can't learn to live with other people who have drastically different opinions, then you should probably avoid talking in public.

 

This post is not directed at anyone in particular. (Unless the moderators are listening. In that case, I plead for you to intervene!!!)

I agree with the content of your post and I respect your frustration. I do disagree though that this is a petty and downright squabble. Unfortunately, it is more than that. There are structural problems in this forum. Admins and mods have allowed such discussions to be going on for years and 90% of the times Javito is the protagonist. Every old member can confirm this. The only reason he has gotten away with this is because certain members with authority are among his friends circle. And everyone knows this as well. Despite this, he has been banned/warned in the past for both insulting members and deviating from the content of threats. Literally in 1 post he can ridicule everyone who disagrees with him. This has happened many MANY times in the past. I know the disagreements seem childish but they reflect wider issues. Unfortunately.

 

The fact that he likes your post to suck you up when HE IS the problem for YEARS now - like many others have said - perfectly showcases his twisted attitude. It is a pathetic attempt to manipulate situations and come off as a peacemaker, when in reality he will never stop. I am the 5th person in 3 days to call him out on his toxic presence. FIFTH person in THREE days. That says it all.

 

I responded to you because I feel the need to explain where I stand. Because I am not willing to give up unless things dramatically change.

[LukeD]

Javito, YOU JUST LIKED MY COMMENT about switching to Direct Messages and then continued to post in the Courage album thread. THIS is the kind of post I'm talking about!!! Please, for the love of Céline Dion!!

You understood what I just told you. He likes the comment to act as peacemaker and then proceeds to do exactly what he used to do. Typical.

[Alice]

OK let's change the tune ...has this been posted?....there's an unreleased version of Boundaries by Maty Noyes

 

 

https://www.umusicpu...oyes-boundaries

 

and also it seems the Credits for Perfect Goodbye are linked to Corey Sanders, Freddy Wexler, and Max Wolfgang

 

Thank you for posting this

[Ajax]

I agree with the content of your post and I respect your frustration. I do disagree though that this is a petty and downright squabble. Unfortunately, it is more than that. There are structural problems in this forum. Admins and mods have allowed such discussions to be going on for years and 90% of the times Javito is the protagonist. Every old member can confirm this. The only reason he has gotten away with this is because certain members with authority are among his friends circle. And everyone knows this as well. Despite this, he has been banned/warned in the past for both insulting members and deviating from the content of threats. Literally in 1 post he can ridicule everyone who disagrees with him. This has happened many MANY times in the past. I know the disagreements seem childish but they reflect wider issues. Unfortunately.

 

The fact that he likes your post to suck you up when HE IS the problem for YEARS now - like many others have said - perfectly showcases his twisted attitude. It is a pathetic attempt to manipulate situations and come off as a peacemaker, when in reality he will never stop. I am the 5th person in 3 days to call him out on his toxic presence. FIFTH person in THREE days. That says it all.

 

I responded to you because I feel the need to explain where I stand. Because I am not willing to give up unless things dramatically change.

 

This. :-)

That s good to read this as an old member too.

[jpatdeleon09]

OK let's change the tune ...has this been posted?....there's an unreleased version of Boundaries by Maty Noyes, there's a 30 second clip that's sounds very promising with Céline vocals.

 

 

https://www.umusicpu...oyes-boundaries

 

and also it seems the Credits for Perfect Goodbye are linked to Corey Sanders, Freddy Wexler, and Max Wolfgang

 

Oh my god! This sounds good! Do you have more?

[LukeD]

Your argument didn't make sense at all in order to defend why you don't like this particular song. Sad to hear you like or dislike Celine songs depending on live performances or YouTube views

You still cannot understand! I explained this again and again! I never based my taste on YouTube views or performances! My comment was not about my taste! It was about showing that CFTF, irrespective of taste, is not a milestone in her career. Thereby, it is not on a pedestal. So people can like it. Or dislike it. For the 3rd time. IT IS NOT AS IF I CRITIQUED A MILESTONE IN HER CAREER. You did not have to react to this. I have explained this 3 times already! I do not know what else to do.

 

Seriously, your inability to follow a very simple discussion about music is scary!

Edited October 16, 2019 at 03:07 PM by LukeD

[Javito]

I'm actually not hiding in the dark. I'm rather active on this forum, but you may not see that between your rants about how Vegas ruined Celine's career or how ANDHC is her most prolific era.

 

I've even had some nice replies and exchanges recently with you. I've apologized to you in the past for coming down hard on you, which was apparently a mistake and poor judgement on my part. You've been asked NUMEROUS times by multiple members (some who tend to usually skip over your posts) to knock it off and be a little nicer to people, to please stop clogging every topic with your incessant and redundant posts. But you have no respect for anyone else. You care only for your narrow minded narrative, and having the last word.

 

How long it's been since I haven't talked nor mentioned Vegas? When was the last time about that? I can't even remember. But you do. I see the resentment you have with this, pity!

 

What about the ANDHC era? Do you have a problem with that? Because I never saw anybody criticising me for liking an album or a particular year of Celine's career, only you and your friends seem to have a problem here too. Resentment again? Double standards? Shame.

 

What is the kind or respect you are demanding? The same your friends show, insulting all the time?

 

I agree with the content of your post and I respect your frustration. I do disagree though that this is a petty and downright squabble. Unfortunately, it is more than that. There are structural problems in this forum. Admins and mods have allowed such discussions to be going on for years and 90% of the times Javito is the protagonist. Every old member can confirm this. The only reason he has gotten away with this is because certain members with authority are among his friends circle. And everyone knows this as well. Despite this, he has been banned/warned in the past for both insulting members and deviating from the content of threats. Literally in 1 post he can ridicule everyone who disagrees with him. This has happened many MANY times in the past. I know the disagreements seem childish but they reflect wider issues. Unfortunately.

 

The fact that he likes your post to suck you up when HE IS the problem for YEARS now - like many others have said - perfectly showcases his twisted attitude. It is a pathetic attempt to manipulate situations and come off as a peacemaker, when in reality he will never stop. I am the 5th person in 3 days to call him out on his toxic presence. FIFTH person in THREE days. That says it all.

 

I responded to you because I feel the need to explain where I stand. Because I am not willing to give up unless things dramatically change.

 

Jesus, the drama you like Playing the victim, they say. The person who called me moron three times today and another bunch of adjectives. Talk about toxic. And you talk about bans and insults. Dear Lord... Some people.

[jpatdeleon09]

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[kellyfan161]

I love some parts of that clip and there’s some parts I don’t..trying not to judge it too much since it’s only 30 seconds haha