"Loved Me Back To Life" album - Official Topic

[Javito]

I never said everybody agrees that OH was their least favorite, I said "a lot" and that's your opinion but it still comes back to the fact that just because it wasn't performed and "not given a chance" that it would be a smash hit and successful if it was. In my personal opinion OH, while some songs were good (ie. IDAN, Reveal, IKWLI) were decent most of the pop/dance songs on there are overly cheesy and ridiculous the title track being one of them. But this is besides the point of my discussion about her releasing an EDM album vs releasing a jazz album.

 

I truly believe that if she released an EDM album today it would receive poor reviews, possibly receive open backlash by the media and general public, and it would flop. Sony and Celine got it right the formula for modern and current music right with the LMBTL album while still staying true to what Celine is known and loved for.

 

And? Does that mean that just because she's known for what she does in Because You Loved Me and My Heart Will Go On, she has to eternally record those kind of songs? Oh God... We've had this discussion in the forum a million times.

 

If staying true to what one does means to you that you have to be stagnated forever in what you are known for doing, then Céline wouldn't have had a career after MHWGO, because thanks to some refreshing songs -for which she wasn't know to do- like That's The Way It Is and A New Day Has Come and I Drove All Night, she continued having a career and adding hits to her career. The All The Way album simply wouldn't be the same without That's The Way It Is. Why an EDM wouldn't have to work? You're bashing it before she has actually tried it, I can't understand such radical position in this

 

Kudos for a jazz album btw, but also for whatever other DIFFERENT thing she may want to try. I couldn't care less to what the people or reviews thinks, you seem too worried about that when what only matters here is that YOU enjoy the album and the new music, not the general public, nor the critics, nor the reviews

[LuisMa]

I love me some uptempo Celine, and my favorite song is in that vein. I was so anticipating a dance record when I heard about the Taking Chances album the first time... I guess that was another thing that ruined it for me, as I got something different than what I was expecting.

 

I really don't care what the media say about her as long as I enjoy the album, and I'm sure I'd appreciate a full EDM album. Now if she records it, welcome, if not, I'm cool with the nice midtempo/uptempo songs she thankfully is still offering us.

[c4n4d4]

And? Does that mean that just because she's known for what she does in Because You Loved Me and My Heart Will Go On, she has to eternally record those kind of songs? Oh God... We've had this discussion in the forum a million times.

 

If staying true to what one does means to you that you have to be stagnated forever in what you are known for doing, then Céline wouldn't have had a career after MHWGO, because thanks to some refreshing songs -for which she wasn't know to do- like That's The Way It Is and A New Day Has Come and I Drove All Night, she continued having a career and adding hits to her career. The All The Way album simply wouldn't be the same without That's The Way It Is. Why an EDM wouldn't have to work? You're bashing it before she has actually tried it, I can't understand such radical position in this

 

Kudos for a jazz album btw, but also for whatever other DIFFERENT thing she may want to try. I couldn't care less to what the people or reviews thinks, you seem too worried about that when what only matters here is that YOU enjoy the album and the new music, not the general public, nor the critics, nor the reviews

See now you are on the verge of personally attacking me for my opinion simply because its not one you agree with. While she has had great success with those songs you listed your failing to realize that the majority of pop/dance songs she has recorded, especially from 2000 onward, have not been scuccesful, singles, or were simply fillers on an album. And despite what you seem to think one can still true to what they are known for but do it in a new modern way, ie. Breakaway which is a modern and strong ballad. Which has been well received, even LMBTL is a good example because while it is edgy and modern it is still done in a ballad style so to speak.

And while I personally do not enjoy EDM music all that much I do enjoy some of it. Its not that I personally care about how she charts or what others have to say to it I simply am stating what would most likely happen if she released an entire album in EDM style, not to mention it would be alienating a extremely large portion of her fans.

 

And not to sound rude but when you argue/discuss something your placement of those laughing emoticons in certain places make you seem incredibly pretentious, it gives off a vibe that you are laughing at the other person's discussion and opinions.

[sayyed]

DKL is hands down the best song on the album. It's ethereal.

[Javito]

See now you are on the verge of personally attacking me for my opinion simply because its not one you agree with. While she has had great success with those songs you listed your failing to realize that the majority of pop/dance songs she has recorded, especially from 2000 onward, have not been scuccesful, singles, or were simply fillers on an album. And despite what you seem to think one can still true to what they are known for but do it in a new modern way, ie. Breakaway which is a modern and strong ballad. Which has been well received, even LMBTL is a good example because while it is edgy and modern it is still done in a ballad style so to speak.

And while I personally do not enjoy EDM music all that much I do enjoy some of it. Its not that I personally care about how she charts or what others have to say to it I simply am stating what would most likely happen if she released an entire album in EDM style, not to mention it would be alienating a extremely large portion of her fans.

 

And not to sound rude but when you argue/discuss something your placement of those laughing emoticons in certain places make you seem incredibly pretentious, it gives off a vibe that you are laughing at the other person's discussion and opinions.

 

Again "majority of pop/dance songs" recorded from 2000 onwards were not successful simply because they didn't have a chance to be succesful. They weren't given any chance at all. So it's not their fault not to have shined only because Sony and Céline have constantly been ignoring them when they had the chance to be singles or be performed in her concerts

 

Songs like "Reveal", "Sorry For Love", "Right In Front Of You" or "When The Wrong One Loves You Right" had the SAME right to be singles as "Goodbye's The Saddest Word" and "Have You Ever Been In Love", or the same right to be performed in her Vegas shows as the covers she decided to introduce. However she neglected them. It was her choice, she closed that door to those songs, God knows why. But that doesn't mean the songs weren't successful, when the poor ones didn't even have a chance to be brought to the stage just once . And far from giving these songs a chance, Céline has continued to perform the same old songs from the 90's and even covers that people didn't relate them with her voice for 10 years in Vegas and a world tour.

 

So these songs are not faulty nor have they proved to be unsuccessful (according to you) only because in the Céline book of singles and concerts, she decided to not write in the page of "uptempo songs". And it's not these song's fault that ANDHC and One Heart only had 3 singles when her previous english album had at least 5 singles all of them, but Sony decided to cut off the promotion because Céline decided to shut herself in Vegas and to end the promo (which was proving to be a massive success worldwide, so maybe that's because people maybe liked those uptempo and modern songs right?). Who knows how big her career would have been if back in 2002 she had toured the world with A New Day Has Come and One Heart in 2003, instead of slamming the door to these songs (and Sony's plan to promote this album).

 

I just think you're taking for granted much on here You are just conjecturing and suggesting some hypothetical situation that it may, or may not be given.

 

Why should she alienate an "extremely large portion or her fanbase"? Maybe that portion would be in awe for the good! Or maybe she would alienate that portion of her fanbase but she would win a whole portion of a young generation of new fans! What's good or what's wrong? There are no mandatory rules here dear, nothing is written in music until you hear the finished product.

 

D'elles is a concept album about womanhood and it was a major flop. Why? Because she barely promoted it! She didn't dedicate enough time to show that work. Does that mean the album is crap? Absolutely not!

 

Also, ballads can sound and be given also a electronic flavour. Electronic/Dance spectrum is so wide

Edited December 9, 2013 at 01:18 AM by Javito

[c4n4d4]

Again "majority of pop/dance songs" recorded from 2000 onwards were not successful simply because they didn't have a chance to be succesful. They weren't given any chance at all. So it's not their fault not to have shined only because Sony and Céline have constantly been ignoring them when they had the chance to be singles or be performed in her concerts

 

Songs like "Reveal", "Sorry For Love", "Right In Front Of You" or "When The Wrong One Loves You Right" had the SAME right to be singles as "Goodbye's The Saddest Word" and "Have You Ever Been In Love", or the same right to be performed in her Vegas shows as the covers she decided to introduce. However she neglected them. It was her choice, she closed that door to those songs, God knows why. But that doesn't mean the songs weren't successful, when the poor ones didn't even have a chance to be brought to the stage just once . And far from giving these songs a chance, Céline has continued to perform the same old songs from the 90's and even covers that people didn't relate them with her voice for 10 years in Vegas and a world tour.

 

So these songs are not faulty nor have they proved to be unsuccessful (according to you) only because in the Céline book of singles and concerts, she decided to not write in the page of "uptempo songs". And it's not these song's fault that ANDHC and One Heart only had 3 singles when her previous english album had at least 5 singles all of them, but Sony decided to cut off the promotion because Céline decided to shut herself in Vegas and to end the promo (which was proving to be a massive success worldwide, so maybe that's because people maybe liked those uptempo and modern songs right?). Who knows how big her career would have been if back in 2002 she had toured the world with A New Day Has Come and One Heart in 2003, instead of slamming the door to these songs (and Sony's plan to promote this album).

 

I just think you're taking for granted much on here You are just conjecturing and suggesting some hypothetical situation that it may, or may not be given.

 

Why should she alienate an "extremely large portion or her fanbase"? Maybe that portion would be in awe for the good! Or maybe she would alienate that portion of her fanbase but she would win a new big portion of young fans! What's good or what's wrong? There are no mandatory rules here dear, nothing is written in music until you hear the finished product.

 

D'elles is a concept album about womanhood and it was a major flop. Why? Because she barely promoted it! She didn't dedicate enough time to show that work. Does that mean the album is crap? Absolutely not!

 

Also, ballads can sound and be given also a electronic flavour. Electronic/Dance spectrum is so wide

I have said my particular on this opinion and do not care to argue in circles about this with someone who just carries on and on about how their opinions are what they percieve to be best or correct. No where did I claim that what I was saying was 100% fact or true, nor did I completely shut down what you said, in fact I agreed to an extent with what you had said. You however refuse to budge on your opinion or even acknowledge that you could be wrong on some aspects.

 

As I said I am done with this debate as I have said what I wanted to say and don't see a reason to go back and just continue to repeat myself and sound like a broken record. I have more important things to do, like study for my finals this week, than to get into a petty argument with you that you can't seem to let go of until everyone agrees with you. I continue to stand by what I said and my opinions as you clearly do with yours, so rather than let this debate carry on and on and get out of hand, as it already seems to be, I suggest we just respectfully agree to disagree.

[québecflower]

Again "majority of pop/dance songs" recorded from 2000 onwards were not successful simply because they didn't have a chance to be succesful. They weren't given any chance at all. So it's not their fault not to have shined only because Sony and Céline have constantly been ignoring them when they had the chance to be singles or be performed in her concerts

 

Songs like "Reveal", "Sorry For Love", "Right In Front Of You" or "When The Wrong One Loves You Right" had the SAME right to be singles as "Goodbye's The Saddest Word" and "Have You Ever Been In Love", or the same right to be performed in her Vegas shows as the covers she decided to introduce. However she neglected them. It was her choice, she closed that door to those songs, God knows why. But that doesn't mean the songs weren't successful, when the poor ones didn't even have a chance to be brought to the stage just once . And far from giving these songs a chance, Céline has continued to perform the same old songs from the 90's and even covers that people didn't relate them with her voice for 10 years in Vegas and a world tour.

 

So these songs are not faulty nor have they proved to be unsuccessful (according to you) only because in the Céline book of singles and concerts, she decided to not write in the page of "uptempo songs". And it's not these song's fault that ANDHC and One Heart only had 3 singles when her previous english album had at least 5 singles all of them, but Sony decided to cut off the promotion because Céline decided to shut herself in Vegas and to end the promo (which was proving to be a massive success worldwide, so maybe that's because people maybe liked those uptempo and modern songs right?). Who knows how big her career would have been if back in 2002 she had toured the world with A New Day Has Come and One Heart in 2003, instead of slamming the door to these songs (and Sony's plan to promote this album).

 

I just think you're taking for granted much on here You are just conjecturing and suggesting some hypothetical situation that it may, or may not be given.

 

Why should she alienate an "extremely large portion or her fanbase"? Maybe that portion would be in awe for the good! Or maybe she would alienate that portion of her fanbase but she would win a whole portion of a young generation of new fans! What's good or what's wrong? There are no mandatory rules here dear, nothing is written in music until you hear the finished product.

 

D'elles is a concept album about womanhood and it was a major flop. Why? Because she barely promoted it! She didn't dedicate enough time to show that work. Does that mean the album is crap? Absolutely not!

 

Also, ballads can sound and be given also a electronic flavour. Electronic/Dance spectrum is so wide

D'Elles was something completly foreign from her traditionnal public, wanting to be serious , it became pompous at a certain degre. it was dramatic, overly produced, lacking in sincerity. There was 2-3 good songs, the rest was for people who loves Celine whatever she does. This is my opinion only. The promo was bad, the special program that lauched the album in Quebec, i didn't listen until the end. This was trying to transform Celine into a serious artist where we all know that Celine is a serious one, no transformation needed. When you talk about alienating a fan base, D'Elles tried very hard.

[Javito]

I have said my particular on this opinion and do not care to argue in circles about this with someone who just carries on and on about how their opinions are what they percieve to be best or correct. No where did I claim that what I was saying was 100% fact or true, nor did I completely shut down what you said, in fact I agreed to an extent with what you had said. You however refuse to budge on your opinion or even acknowledge that you could be wrong on some aspects.

 

As I said I am done with this debate as I have said what I wanted to say and don't see a reason to go back and just continue to repeat myself and sound like a broken record. I have more important things to do, like study for my finals this week, than to get into a petty argument with you that you can't seem to let go of until everyone agrees with you. I continue to stand by what I said and my opinions as you clearly do with yours, so rather than let this debate carry on and on and get out of hand, as it already seems to be, I suggest we just respectfully agree to disagree.

 

Funny that you said just a moment ago that I was on the verge of attacking you. Now who's being rude? That was uncalled for...

 

Of course you have your point, you love a certain style of songs and I love another kind of songs, but I think my spectrum is more wide and not just restringed to "what she's known for". The difference between your previous posts and mines is that you seem to reject her uptempo material, while I accept it with delight and I thank Céline and her team to have come with such 2 popish albums like ANDHC and OH, because they stand out from everything else she's done in her discography.

 

In an ocean crowded of ballads and slow songs which is her discography, I learned to appreciate the little songs that have their own personality because they have another flavour and sound, and when I realized that years and years passed and Céline didn't perform those songs anywhere, the more she ignores them, the more I love them.

 

What I think is that for a voice with such versatility, which can sing ANYTHING they ask her to sing, she has to be condemned, stagnated to sing forever one particular style of song, for the better or the worse, only because she's afraid to disappoint her public. I'm happy that you enjoy a Celine Dion that will sing forever the same songs "she's know for", but I for one would love to see her trying and doing different things, to be free in the stage and in the recording studio, doing songs like "That's Just The Woman In Me" because she loves the edgy sound and not to feel afraid about her public's reaction because she thinks "they may not be prepared to hear her sing that way", like she openly admitted this in 2007 when she said that the song was intented to be recorded for Falling Into You. That couldn't be more constricting for an artist. It's like tying her wings.

[c4n4d4]

 

 

Funny that you said just a moment ago that I was on the verge of attacking you. Now who's being rude? That was uncalled for...

 

Of course you have your point, you love a certain style of songs and I love another kind of songs, but I think my spectrum is more wide and not just restringed to "what she's known for". The difference between your previous posts and mines is that you seem to reject her uptempo material, while I accept it with delight and I thank Céline and her team to have come with such 2 popish albums like ANDHC and OH, because they stand out from everything else she's done in her discography.

 

In an ocean crowded of ballads and slow songs which is her discography, I learned to appreciate the little songs that have their own personality because they have another flavour and sound, and when I realized that years and years passed and Céline didn't perform those songs anywhere, the more she ignores them, the more I love them.

 

What I think is that for a voice with such versatility, which can sing ANYTHING they ask her to sing, she has to be condemned, stagnated to sing forever one particular style of song, for the better or the worse, only because she's afraid to disappoint her public. I'm happy that you enjoy a Celine Dion that will sing forever the same songs "she's know for", but I for one would love to see her trying and doing different things, to be free in the stage and in the recording studio, doing songs like "That's Just The Woman In Me" because she loves the edgy sound and not to feel afraid about her public's reaction because she thinks "they may not be prepared to hear her sing that way", like she openly admitted this in 2007 when she said that the song was intented to be recorded for Falling Into You. That couldn't be more constricting for an artist. It's like tying her wings.

Again I stated I was done with the argument and yet you continue. So I will say again, I am not going to further participate in this debate.

[Javito]

D'Elles was something completly foreign from her traditionnal public, wanting to be serious , it became pompous at a certain degre. it was dramatic, overly produced, lacking in sincerity. There was 2-3 good songs, the rest was for people who loves Celine whatever she does. This is my opinion only. The promo was bad, the special program that lauched the album in Quebec, i didn't listen until the end. This was trying to transform Celine into a serious artist where we all know that Celine is a serious one, no transformation needed. When you talk about alienating a fan base, D'Elles tried very hard.

 

Maybe. However (and I'm talking of what Céline thinks here) Céline admitted recently that she loves this album and thinks its a great one, and that she regretted she didn't had time to give this album the time it deserved to be shown to the public. She certainly has this album in a very high esteem

[Javito]

Again I stated I was done with the argument and yet you continue. So I will say again, I am not going to further participate in this debate.

 

It's okay. I think it was an interesting discussion, sorry that you don't see it that way I hope she releases the jazz album you want, because that's something I would also look forward to

 

Sorry double post.

Edited December 9, 2013 at 01:48 AM by Javito

[québecflower]

Maybe. However (and I'm talking of what Céline thinks here) Céline admitted recently that she loves this album and thinks its a great one, and that she regretted she didn't had time to give this album the time it deserved to be shown to the public. She certainly has this album in a very high esteem

i know, Celine loved it or she would not have done it. But for me, it didn't do the trick. I won't say it is bad, just that i didn't like it personally.

[Alex_Incognito]

Maybe I'm pretentious, but give me D'elles any day over an edm album!

[québecflower]

Maybe I'm pretentious, but give me D'elles any day over an edm album!

it is just how i perceived it at the time...Celine can do whatever she wants, i'm her fan anyway. But i prefer her last french album. EDM, a whole album, i'm not so sure about that either.

[chocolatechip15]

Interesting topic. .I've actually often thought they were trying to establish Celine as a dance-pop artist back in 1990 with Unison. . kind of modeling her after Whitney Houston, who was, particuarly at that time, equal parts dance hits (I Wanna Dance with Somebody, How Will I Know, etc) and ballads (Greatest Love of All; Didn't We Almost Have it All, etc). I think Unison has more mid or up-tempo songs -- at least as a percentage of total songs - than any of her other albums. By my count, it's 6 out of 10 - more than half (though it depends how you classify mid or up-tempo songs, and i'm no expert).

 

But with Celine, only the ballads ever really took off, at least in the English speaking world -- with some notable exceptions, of course, like TTWII. But by that time, she was already firmly established as a balladeer, singer of emotional love songs.

[gafsa]

I love what Celine been doing. Make an album with different style song. I always hope for the ballad and the same time i want her to do dance song. So i'm happy with what i've got so far from Celine.

[boyblackuk]

Can someone please tell me what is the version of LMBTL with ill charles never heard of it till I seen it on itunes

[Lu CelineFan]

Interesting topic. .I've actually often thought they were trying to establish Celine as a dance-pop artist back in 1990 with Unison. . kind of modeling her after Whitney Houston, who was, particuarly at that time, equal parts dance hits (I Wanna Dance with Somebody, How Will I Know, etc) and ballads (Greatest Love of All; Didn't We Almost Have it All, etc). I think Unison has more mid or up-tempo songs -- at least as a percentage of total songs - than any of her other albums. By my count, it's 6 out of 10 - more than half (though it depends how you classify mid or up-tempo songs, and i'm no expert).

 

But with Celine, only the ballads ever really took off, at least in the English speaking world -- with some notable exceptions, of course, like TTWII. But by that time, she was already firmly established as a balladeer, singer of emotional love songs.

 

I agree. Maybe she has not been prominent in the early 90s because of other great exponents like Madonna and Mariah who were stronger at the time

[LukeD]

D'Elles was something completly foreign from her traditionnal public, wanting to be serious , it became pompous at a certain degre. it was dramatic, overly produced, lacking in sincerity. There was 2-3 good songs, the rest was for people who loves Celine whatever she does. This is my opinion only. The promo was bad, the special program that lauched the album in Quebec, i didn't listen until the end. This was trying to transform Celine into a serious artist where we all know that Celine is a serious one, no transformation needed. When you talk about alienating a fan base, D'Elles tried very hard.

I agree. It was also a pretty 'heavy' album to listen to during Summer, the release date (End of May 2007) did not help at all. I love the material, her singing was rather dull though. Edited December 9, 2013 at 12:27 PM by LukeD

[Jessyka]

Maybe. However (and I'm talking of what Céline thinks here) Céline admitted recently that she loves this album and thinks its a great one, and that she regretted she didn't had time to give this album the time it deserved to be shown to the public. She certainly has this album in a very high esteem

 

Exactly. That makes it special to me.

 

Maybe I'm pretentious, but give me D'elles any day over an edm album!

 

This. ^

[unclediva]

I would have really liked if Celine had done vocals for a big name DJ, like Avicii or David Guetta, just to give her a little pop visibility and satisfy my desire to hear her do EDM. I think it could have been cool if she had a hit with a DJ and then released LMBTL, because more of the public would have been reminded of her. I am certain that more people are excited for a new Sia album then her previous works, just because of her hits with Guetta. Now way more people know who she is!

[gafsa]

I would have really liked if Celine had done vocals for a big name DJ, like Avicii or David Guetta, just to give her a little pop visibility and satisfy my desire to hear her do EDM. I think it could have been cool if she had a hit with a DJ and then released LMBTL, because more of the public would have been reminded of her. I am certain that more people are excited for a new Sia album then her previous works, just because of her hits with Guetta. Now way more people know who she is!

 

Agree

[ashtonelijah]

Not EDM (which is now more associated with general pop), but I'd love for Celine to do a house/trance/euro style dance album. Her vocals could soar amidst those sounds, we could get those big, beautiful clear notes, and she'd just be amazing. Not because it's what would sell, but because Celine could own and make some amazing dance music -- which might do well in the clubs and on BPM style radio stations (we aren't gonna get top 40, but that actually frees Celine to try other things).

 

Songs like these:

 

 

 

http://youtu.be/B-YzTGTmc_w

 

 

Celine can be fantastic with this, collab with some awesome DJs, and make gay hearts explode everywhere. And these kinds of songs still allow you to be a big voices, belting diva.

 

[LukeD]

It has only been a month since the album came out... Seeing people talk about the concept of her next album makes me think the new album did not satisfy you...

[amelie]

D'Elles was something completly foreign from her traditionnal public, wanting to be serious , it became pompous at a certain degre. it was dramatic, overly produced, lacking in sincerity. There was 2-3 good songs, the rest was for people who loves Celine whatever she does. This is my opinion only. The promo was bad, the special program that lauched the album in Quebec, i didn't listen until the end. This was trying to transform Celine into a serious artist where we all know that Celine is a serious one, no transformation needed. When you talk about alienating a fan base, D'Elles tried very hard.

 

D'elles is her best french album ever together with S'il suffisait d'aimer and D'eux, bye!

(Too bad the singing wasn't better though)

Edited December 10, 2013 at 02:39 PM by amelie

[mike_z]

Funny though, if she's now doing what she likes, LMBTL and SA are both her english and french records with less uptempo tracks!!!

 

 

And "D'elles" is a very strong album... so many great songs "je cherche l'ombre" , "on s'est aimé a cause", ESNRQ, "Immensité", some others are a bit pretentious, yeah, like "la diva" and "je ne suis pas celle", her voice was a bit weak at the time for those. Still, there's no bad french album in her career!

[bilinkew]

Who has heard 'Open Arms' in HQ? I have ordered the Japanese version of the album but still no sign of it yet . . . . . was hoping there would be one online to keep me going! P x

[binsk]

Who has heard 'Open Arms' in HQ? I have ordered the Japanese version of the album but still no sign of it yet . . . . . was hoping there would be one online to keep me going! P x

 

If you find out let me know!

[Javito]

It has only been a month since the album came out... Seeing people talk about the concept of her next album makes me think the new album did not satisfy you...

 

It's a short album. Compared with her previous releases, and the fact that there are 4 covers fans already knew since 2011, it leaves you wanting more.

[québecflower]

D'elles is her best french album ever together with S'il suffisait d'aimer and D'eux, bye!

(Too bad the singing wasn't better though)

this is your opinion. I'm sure there is things i like that you don't. Doesn't mean i'm right about that. The bye at the end was not necessary.