Changes to the show?

February 21, 2014 at 03:02 AM

"I Want You To Need Me" would be amazing live! It's a shame she never has done it yet. And is it jut me or would "My Love" be a good song for this show? I loved it when I saw it live in the TC Tour. It almost felt like she was steeping down from being Celine Dion, the huge star. She made it personal, and I really felt a strong emotional connection that she had to it

February 21, 2014 at 03:49 AM

I want you to need me would be a huge task to take on live. I'm sorry but I don't think it would work out very well. It's a very tiring song to sing. It makes breakaway look like lullaby. Edited February 21, 2014 at 03:49 AM by Tyler1991

February 21, 2014 at 05:59 AM

I want you to need me would be a huge task to take on live. I'm sorry but I don't think it would work out very well. It's a very tiring song to sing. It makes breakaway look like lullaby.

I don't think I Want You To Need Me is a huge task to take on. It's not any harder then All By Myself, The Reason, or Goldfinger. Celine could easily add this song to the show and it would be amazing!

February 21, 2014 at 06:28 AM

I don't think I Want You To Need Me is a huge task to take on. It's not any harder then All By Myself, The Reason, or Goldfinger. Celine could easily add this song to the show and it would be amazing!

It would be really stressful on Celine's voice to perform I Want You to Need Me. The notes in the chorus are hard to get to and that was Celine's voice fifteen years ago. Not to mention that Goldfinger, The Reason, and the big note of ABM are lipped.

February 21, 2014 at 06:45 AM

I don't think I Want You To Need Me is a huge task to take on. It's not any harder then All By Myself, The Reason, or Goldfinger. Celine could easily add this song to the show and it would be amazing!

I disagree 100%. Most of the songs you listed are easy in parts throughout it. I want you to need me is difficult nearly from beginning to end with consistent belting throughout. All by myself has 3 minutes of boredom before followed by one very hard part and then a few other difficult parts (but all with pause for plenty if breathing in between). The reason has not been sung live in 15 years and even when it was sung live it was dulled down very much so and lacking power (during the ltal tour). There's really only three solid performances of that song- divas live with Carole King, the royal variety performance (shortened and she struggled but it's still good), and the lottery show which is questioned about being possibly lipped. Gold finger...I honestly don't know why this is mentioned in here, it's a 2 minute performance and isn't really vocally exhausting. Not to mention it's lipped as well.

Edited February 21, 2014 at 06:46 AM by Tyler1991

February 21, 2014 at 09:09 AM

I want you to need me would be a huge task to take on live. I'm sorry but I don't think it would work out very well. It's a very tiring song to sing. It makes breakaway look like lullaby.

I agree, it would definitely have to be sung in a lower key, or lipped - or both! :mellow:

Edited February 21, 2014 at 09:09 AM by Timster

February 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM

True. It would be hard, but come on if she still lowered it it would still sound amazing!

February 21, 2014 at 01:35 PM

Yes, IWYTNM is one of those songs that can only be sung by Celine Dion and in one key only. Its bottom notes are so low and the top notes right at the top of her range (15 years ago) and stays there. Lowering won't make it much better - it would have to be lowered so much that she can't sing the bottom and sound good. Also, I don't see how opening the show with CNQTR would work in an English language show in America with mostly non-fans and generic fans. That would be a major WTF moment for most of the audience! :giggle:

February 21, 2014 at 02:10 PM

I want you to need me would be a huge task to take on live. I'm sorry but I don't think it would work out very well. It's a very tiring song to sing. It makes breakaway look like lullaby.

If a song could work well for "Celine" because of the use of Celine's 31-piece orchestra ("I Want You To Need Me" is very orchestral) and her talent, then it should be considered. If "I Want You To Need Me" had charted as a #1 hit for Celine, and stayed on the charts for weeks, she and her team's hands would have been tied. They would have been forced to figure out SOMEWAY of making the song work in the show and on tour. Just because a song is difficult to sing does not mean it should not be considered. This is like an aspect of someone's daily job being tough at work, so they just choose not to do it. It's pure laziness. If someone can't do an aspect of a job, perhaps they should consider not doing said job, or think about retiring altogether. If a song is vocally demanding night after night for a singer, then either lower it by an octave or two, or create a new arrangement for the song. Furthermore, it's not as if Celine is 90-years-old. She's in her 40s, her vocals are still stellar and she still has some youthful energy left in her.

Edited February 21, 2014 at 02:27 PM by SuperLove4Celine

February 21, 2014 at 02:21 PM

Yes, IWYTNM is one of those songs that can only be sung by Celine Dion and in one key only. Its bottom notes are so low and the top notes right at the top of her range (15 years ago) and stays there. Lowering won't make it much better - it would have to be lowered so much that she can't sing the bottom and sound good. Also, I don't see how opening the show with CNQTR would work in an English language show in America with mostly non-fans and generic fans. That would be a major WTF moment for most of the audience!

Just because Americans are arrogant and/or ignorant to French music, does not mean Celine's French material should be ignored as a possible opener (or in general) in her Vegas show. Her French material is what got her to where she is today. It is part of her history, her past. It is part of her life, her upbringing. To ignore the music from her early 80s career, especially "Ce n'etait qu'un reve," the song that got her where she is today, is, to me, cold, rude and callous. It is a spit in the face to those she claims are and will forever be near and dear to her heart. "Gee, thanks for helping me get to where I am today, but now that I'm big and famous, and work in America, you're no longer relevant to me and will only hinder my artistic decisions." If I were a fan from Canada, France, etc., who has been with Celine since the REAL beginning, or someone who had worked with Celine on her 80s material (again, the material that helped get her to where she is today), I would feel as if she had turned her back on me. It's ironic, for a singer to have recorded a song such as "Je ne vous oublie pas," she sure hasn't shown me that she hasn't forgotten those who helped her get to where she is today. Truly sad if you ask me.

Edited February 21, 2014 at 02:26 PM by SuperLove4Celine

February 21, 2014 at 02:33 PM

Just because Americans are arrogant and/or ignorant to French music, does not mean Celine's French material should be ignored as a possible opener (or in general) in her Vegas show. Her French material is what got her to where she is today. It is part of her history, her past. It is part of her life, her upbringing. To ignore the music from her early 80s career, especially "Ce n'etait qu'un reve," the song that got her where she is today, is, to me, cold, rude and callous. It is a spit in the face to those she claims are and will forever be near and dear to her heart. "Gee, thanks for helping me get to where I am today, but now that I'm big and famous, and work in America, you're no longer relevant to me and will only hinder my artistic decisions." If I were a fan from Canada, France, etc., who has been with Celine since the REAL beginning, or someone who had worked with Celine on her 80s material (again, the material that helped get her to where she is today), I would feel as if she had turned her back on me. It's ironic, for a singer to have recorded a song such as "Je ne vous oublie pas," she sure hasn't shown me that she hasn't forgotten those who helped her get to where she is today. Truly sad if you ask me.

I can agree with you that it is sad for all the reasons you stated. That doesn't mean she's going to rush out and suddenly sing a lot of French songs in America though.

February 21, 2014 at 02:38 PM

If "I Want You To Need Me" had charted as a #1 hit for Celine, and stayed on the charts for weeks, she and her team's hands would have been tied.

It was #1 in Canada :giggle:

February 21, 2014 at 02:56 PM

It was #1 in Canada

It appears it also reached #7 on the dance sales chart in America. I think those are decent enough reasons to have no qualms about including it in "Celine."

February 21, 2014 at 03:23 PM

I would give an arm and a leg if she would sing more than one French song of hers in Vegas!!! (NMQP) is not hers.... I don't care how many times she sings the thing!

Adding more than one French song in Vegas wouldn't fly though! This of course is just my humble opinion!

February 21, 2014 at 03:38 PM

I would give an arm and a leg if she would sing more than one French song of hers in Vegas!!! (NMQP) is not hers.... I don't care how many times she sings the thing!
Adding more than one French song in Vegas wouldn't fly though! This of course is just my humble opinion!

During the Anglophone concerts of the FIY tour, she sang 3 French songs: PQTME, JIOTI, and LB! :wub:

Edited February 21, 2014 at 03:39 PM by Timster

February 21, 2014 at 03:43 PM

I would give an arm and a leg if she would sing more than one French song of hers in Vegas!!! (NMQP) is not hers.... I don't care how many times she sings the thing!
Adding more than one French song in Vegas wouldn't fly though! This of course is just my humble opinion!

I so agree! "Ce n'etait qu'un reve" would be a good choice cause she started with that. "Immensite" would work since it speaks about love, since some of the show has that sort of theme PQTME is also an obvious choice as well

February 21, 2014 at 03:48 PM

If a song is vocally demanding night after night for a singer, then either lower it by an octave or two, or create a new arrangement for the song.

I don't know if you mis-typed or aren't a singer but before people come berating you for this...an octave is not what you meant to say. You meant to say a step or two. An octave is larger than you think it is. And look to my note as to why lowering this song just wouldn't work for her. They could add it to the show, certainly, but it would just be another song that she lip-synchs.

February 21, 2014 at 03:49 PM

During the Anglophone concerts of the FIY tour, she sang 3 French songs: PQTME, JIOTI, and LB!

Yes, but that was, arguably, before she was the major super star that she is today and before ticket prices were so high. Also, notice that they haven't done it since then have they? They learned their lesson - American audiences, at least, don't want to hear singing in a language they don't understand. They'll put up with it for one song but beyond that, ix-nay on the ench-fray.

February 21, 2014 at 03:58 PM

Yes, but that was, arguably, before she was the major super star that she is today and before ticket prices were so high. Also, notice that they haven't done it since then have they? They learned their lesson - American audiences, at least, don't want to hear singing in a language they don't understand. They'll put up with it for one song but beyond that, ix-nay on the ench-fray.

Well AND did have 2 foreign-language songs (EJTE/PQTME and AA), so they did try to bring some culture to the American audiences there. A Spanish song would be hear live sometime ^_^

February 21, 2014 at 04:27 PM

I don't know if you mis-typed or aren't a singer but before people come berating you for this...an octave is not what you meant to say. You meant to say a step or two. An octave is larger than you think it is. And look to my note as to why lowering this song just wouldn't work for her. They could add it to the show, certainly, but it would just be another song that she lip-synchs.

Sorry. I misspoke. I meant to say lower the song by a key or two. I'm working off of three hours of sleep and just took my partner to the airport. I think I edited my posts this morning about 20,000 times before thinking they were right. I must have missed the octave mistake. Forgive me.

February 21, 2014 at 04:32 PM

Yes, but that was, arguably, before she was the major super star that she is today and before ticket prices were so high. Also, notice that they haven't done it since then have they? They learned their lesson - American audiences, at least, don't want to hear singing in a language they don't understand. They'll put up with it for one song but beyond that, ix-nay on the ench-fray.

That's not entirely correct. Many Americans have no problem with going to operas which are not performed in English. Many Americans will go and see Latin artists such as Gloria Estefan and Shakira, even though their set lists in America tend to have much more than just one Spanish song. Furthermore, Sarah Brightman sells considerably well in America, yet she includes songs in other languages besides English (Italian, for example).

I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm attacking you. I'm just trying to make a point that if an artist stands behind their choices, gets more involved in their artistry more than Celine does, and conveys the material in the correct manner, Americans COULD open up to a show containing more than just one French song. Unfortunately, due to many factors, the stereotypical American's ignorance and lack of cultural education is what gets in the way of them fully enjoying a multi-language experience. Not to mention, if Celine can't even stand behind her French material proudly, how the heck is anybody else expected to?

February 21, 2014 at 05:09 PM

That's not entirely correct. Many Americans have no problem with going to operas which are not performed in English. Many Americans will go and see Latin artists such as Gloria Estefan and Shakira, even though their set lists in America tend to have much more than just one Spanish song. Furthermore, Sarah Brightman sells considerably well in America, yet she includes songs in other languages besides English (Italian, for example).

I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm attacking you. I'm just trying to make a point that if an artist stands behind their choices, gets more involved in their artistry more than Celine does, and conveys the material in the correct manner, Americans COULD open up to a show containing more than just one French song. Unfortunately, due to many factors, the stereotypical American's ignorance and lack of cultural education is what gets in the way of them fully enjoying a multi-language experience. Not to mention, if Celine can't even stand behind her French material proudly, how the heck is anybody else expected to?

I wish she would show her full life through the show. She goes as far back as Unison, then stops. If she wouldn't have started in French, I wouldn't even be typing this probably. Even in her A New Day show she had PQTME plus Ammore Annas-whatever. That was in Roman I think Michel said. I think the audience would like it. It shows a different part of her, and it's like I saw somewhere her French songs show the more raw side of her!

February 21, 2014 at 05:22 PM

I would absolutely love to hear more of her French repertoire but I don't think that will necessarily fly in Vegas. Granted, you do have more of an international presence coming to Vegas to see her but at the same time, being in America where English is the primary language, I think they'll mainly stick with English titles versus her francophone stuff. However, if she changed NMQP for something else perhaps they could then use some bits and pieces from her early French career & English career to re-create the opening video leading up to OA. That would be awesome and still give the same general effect. The current video worked the first year or so but it's definitely outdated now. And I really don't think it would cost too much to make a new video. With this idea, they could then use more current material to modernize the show and keep drawing in the crowds. She could still keep the whole Vegas glam thing going and the orchestra.....just change up the set list.

February 21, 2014 at 05:24 PM

^^^^even though it would cost more, I really think they could pull off a complete over-haul as well. The investment would come back to them several times over I'm sure. Either option I think would suit everyone for the most part.

February 21, 2014 at 05:36 PM

I do agree with ^. If they did a combo of both people would see it as "new" and come back and see it again!

Edited February 21, 2014 at 05:36 PM by CelineDionFreak

February 21, 2014 at 05:39 PM

If a song could work well for "Celine" because of the use of Celine's 31-piece orchestra ("I Want You To Need Me" is very orchestral) and her talent, then it should be considered. If "I Want You To Need Me" had charted as a #1 hit for Celine, and stayed on the charts for weeks, she and her team's hands would have been tied. They would have been forced to figure out SOMEWAY of making the song work in the show and on tour. Just because a song is difficult to sing does not mean it should not be considered. This is like an aspect of someone's daily job being tough at work, so they just choose not to do it. It's pure laziness. If someone can't do an aspect of a job, perhaps they should consider not doing said job, or think about retiring altogether. If a song is vocally demanding night after night for a singer, then either lower it by an octave or two, or create a new arrangement for the song. Furthermore, it's not as if Celine is 90-years-old. She's in her 40s, her vocals are still stellar and she still has some youthful energy left in her.

....what you said is nice, and maybe if you were writing that to Beyoncé and her team or someone who is more innovative in using new songs and arrangements it would make sense, but let's be honest - we all know how Celine's team works. The song never stood a chance and if it did t would have surely been lipped, but that is irrelevant because in order for it to be lipped it would have to be chosen in the first place which it never would.

February 21, 2014 at 06:42 PM

It's also an awful song

A screamfest to end all scream fests!

February 21, 2014 at 06:54 PM

It's also an awful song A screamfest to end all scream fests!

Are we talking about IWYTNM??? If so - agree with you. Never been one of my favourites! Could work in LV if it was a stripped down version - acoustic and not belted out. Then she could sing it live etc.

I'd love for NMQP to be replaced with Ce N'etait Qu'un Reve. Then they could use footage from her french career (MVs, concerts etc), and also use the footage of her singing the song through the years - MV 1981, TCOML concert, even Millennium concert.

TCOML would be a great addition - perhaps instead of Lullaby. They could then still use family footage, and Celine & Rene footage.

February 21, 2014 at 08:18 PM

Are we talking about IWYTNM??? If so - agree with you. Never been one of my favourites! Could work in LV if it was a stripped down version - acoustic and not belted out. Then she could sing it live etc.

I'd love for NMQP to be replaced with Ce N'etait Qu'un Reve. Then they could use footage from her french career (MVs, concerts etc), and also use the footage of her singing the song through the years - MV 1981, TCOML concert, even Millennium concert.
TCOML would be a great addition - perhaps instead of Lullaby. They could then still use family footage, and Celine & Rene footage.

Lol! I'd love it to be replaced by anything........... :mellow:

It's not that I don't like NMQP it's just that if she is going to have only one French song then at least have it be hers!!! :down:

(only in my dreams) Frustrating to the max!

Yeah I like the idea of rearranging IWYTNM. How do we make that happen!?? :whistling: (only in our dreams)

February 21, 2014 at 08:27 PM

Lol! I'd love it to be replaced by anything........... It's not that I don't like NMQP it's just that if she is going to have only one French song then at least have it be hers!!! (only in my dreams) Frustrating to the max!

Yeah I like the idea of rearranging IWYTNM. How do we make that happen!?? (only in our dreams)

Well if ever i get back to LV i'll have a word to Patrick, but i doubt i'll get there this year. He always talks about "reworking" the show.

Any other ideas?? lol

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