New English Album - "Water and a Flame" (Pre-Release Thread Part 1)

[zuv]

Thinking about it guys, this album has a chance, Titanic is coming in April of next year, face it it's going to be played on repeat once again.

Also Beauty and the Beast is being re-released in 3D come January so I have a feeling new single January new album April. Maybe this album has a chance but only if it's got new songs, a few covers, and most importantly Celine's voice, now would not be the time to re-release a Taking Chances album with her rocking out. We need a Falling In to You or Let's Talk About Love album that people will see she still has a voice.

 

MMmmmmm i love reading that lolll

 

agreed 110%

[ferjaacu]

^^^^ I love reading that too !!!

 

Am I the only one that finds it funny how the newbies always go above and beyond to defend Celine and how they call old members (including some that have been here since the beginning) rude and so on? I think one of the things that should be mentioned in the rules is that this is a forum and people are entitled to have an opinion, even if it is negative, and all newbies should read that. People should also realize that nobody is perfect, including Celine, so how can they expect everything that they read here to be positive? It just does not seem natural to me.

 

Actually, I've been here since the forum's openning and I'm one of the people defending her...

What I've been saying, and I think some other members have said too, is that there is a way of saying things without hurting others... Without being rude

Anyway, as you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and they are expressing theirs too... Let's be tolerant, ok??

 

Jeff, I'm gonna search for that on Twitter

[anewdayhascome]

HELLO MODERATORS?!

Ok if you like it SHARE these opinions but in OTHER thread!

[dj4celine]

Am I the only one that finds it funny how the newbies always go above and beyond to defend Celine and how they call old members (including some that have been here since the beginning) rude and so on? I think one of the things that should be mentioned in the rules is that this is a forum and people are entitled to have an opinion, even if it is negative, and all newbies should read that. People should also realize that nobody is perfect, including Celine, so how can they expect everything that they read here to be positive? It just does not seem natural to me.

 

No, you're not the only one, Claudette! But it's not just the newbies who are doing that. It's some of the old members, too. And the way they defend and gang-up against anyone saying a single negative thing towards Celine, is ridiculous and hilarious at the same time. Everyone has opinions and there is no harm in expressing that as long as it is in line with the forum's rule. This is a forum and all discussions - be it positive or negative, should be addressed in the same light as the other. At the end of the day, everyone should realize that all of us here are some way or the other a fan of Celine and we all want her to do what she does best - sing and make music. That's what she is, first and foremost and that's what made her who she is now. Not someone who keeps on ranting the same thing in every single interview/documentary etc. I would be fine with that as well, if she could get in a sentence or two in-between regarding her music, but lady doesn't want that

 

 

And for someone saying that only FIY/LTAL showcased her vocals and a rock-themed album doesn't show off her vocals really need to check out rock musicians. They sing and have amazing vocals, too. Heck, many tracks on FIY had some rock influence - Your Light. This song perfectly shows off her vocals. It doesn't always have to be boring ballad after ballad. Edgy and uptempo tracks don't undermine her vocal abilities.

 

 

 

EDIT: But Marcin is right, we should discuss this in some other thread.

 

Going back on topic, like Claudette said, the article on 'You' magazine seems to be a lift from 'Hello' magazine just updated with new pics. It's weird that there seems to be no new information regarding the song-writers, musical theme, etc. Is there even going to be an album?

Edited November 22, 2011 at 07:48 PM by dj4celine

[spunkransum]

No, you're not the only one, Claudette! But it's not just the newbies who are doing that. It's some of the old members, too. And the way they defend and gang-up against anyone saying a single negative thing towards Celine, is ridiculous and hilarious at the same time. Everyone has opinions and there is no harm in expressing that as long as it is in line with the forum's rule. This is a forum and all discussions - be it positive or negative, should be addressed in the same light as the other. At the end of the day, everyone should realize that all of us here are some way or the other a fan of Celine and we all want her to do what she does best - sing and make music. That's what she is, first and foremost and that's what made her who she is now. Not someone who keeps on ranting the same thing in every single interview/documentary etc. I would be fine with that as well, if she could get in a sentence or two in-between regarding her music, but lady doesn't want that

And for someone saying that only FIY/LTAL showcased her vocals and a rock-themed album doesn't show off her vocals really need to check out rock musicians. They sing and have amazing vocals, too. Heck, many tracks on FIY had some rock influence - Your Light. This song perfectly shows off her vocals. It doesn't always have to be boring ballad after ballad. Edgy and uptempo tracks don't undermine her vocal abilities.

EDIT: But Marcin is right, we should discuss this in some other thread.

 

Going back on topic, like Claudette said, the article on 'You' magazine seems to be a lift from 'Hello' magazine just updated with new pics. It's weird that there seems to be no new information regarding the song-writers, musical theme, etc. Is there even going to be an album?

 

I'm not saying having Rock edge is bad and I know a bunch of rock singers who have ballads. I'm only saying this so new fans and the younger generation understand how vocally good a singer she is. But let's face it, I love Celine but covering "Alone" was not a smart move. We need up-tempo songs like I'm Alive or I Drove All Night. Furthermore, what's the use of recording the up tempo songs if they are never sung live, "Shadow of Love, Fade Away," both great songs but they didn't get the promotion they needed.

[Celine_Fan_1992]

Am I the only one that finds it funny how the newbies always go above and beyond to defend Celine and how they call old members (including some that have been here since the beginning) rude and so on? I think one of the things that should be mentioned in the rules is that this is a forum and people are entitled to have an opinion, even if it is negative, and all newbies should read that. People should also realize that nobody is perfect, including Celine, so how can they expect everything that they read here to be positive? It just does not seem natural to me.

 

It's always funny to me how everybody else says they are entitled to their opinion, but when I voice my opinion, it's wrong.

 

I never said that Celine is perfect, but she sure as heck does not deserve the negative comments that have said about her on here.

[pat200]

I don't think anyone is attacking Celine the person. No one should this is a red line. One never attacks someone for the person they are. They were simply unsatisfied with Celine the singer.

 

We all love Celine, we always buy her releases, but we are not blind sheep who follow without questioning. This is important in every aspect of your lives. It is good to love someone so much, but never follow them blindly. Following someone blindly destroys character and makes you oblivious to their faults. And when that happens instead of actually helping them realize their faults, you hurt them more by reassuring them that their faults are not faults. So the person keeps doing what they are doing because you know what, those around them don't think it is a mistake. Get the point?

 

Ok this has gone on to be a bit more than having to do just with Celine, but it is a good word of advice for any devotion in life lol.

Edited November 22, 2011 at 10:14 PM by pat200

[Peppercorn1991]

Guys

 

This album is going to be amazing or as rene says "spectacular"! Remember this, We are gonna have a celinish year in 2012, i dont know about you but i think we are going to be very spoiled! i mean 2 new albums guys! this is amazing! The jamaka concert! most proberly a promotional tour around the world and deffenatly europe for the french album. She will be on many many shows to promote, plus the vegas show! Lets be happy! please ?

[pat200]

Rene thinks that A Song for you was the jewel of Taking Chances. Enough said

[MJaque]

Rene thinks that A Song for you was the jewel of Taking Chances. Enough said

 

Rene was the one who saw Celine in Celine Marie Dion so...let's just hope both albums (esp. the French one) will be AWESOME!!!

[browseceline]

Rene thinks that A Song for you was the jewel of Taking Chances. Enough said

 

 

that's just a matter of taste...it was certainly not the jewel of this album to me!

Preference for music changes with age I think, that's why some fresh new touch on her album could be nice.

fortunately she had young producers/composers around her. We have had Rick Wake and the great songs Us and

Miles Alone Before I sleep ( don't know composer anymore) great songs.. so just hope and see! fingers crossed!

Edited November 23, 2011 at 12:54 AM by browseceline

[I Love You]

Guys

 

This album is going to be amazing or as rene says "spectacular"! Remember this, We are gonna have a celinish year in 2012, i dont know about you but i think we are going to be very spoiled! i mean 2 new albums guys! this is amazing! The jamaka concert! most proberly a promotional tour around the world and deffenatly europe for the french album. She will be on many many shows to promote, plus the vegas show! Lets be happy! please ?

 

I agree with you on that, we are getting to new albums coming out next year. We, are being really spoiled as well as Celine back in Vegas.

[Alex_Incognito]

I totally agree, Claudette and Dhruv, and Patrick (though, we've all been members for quite some time and have become friends) . These new members have poor netiquette. Not everything Celine touches is rainbows and farts. She has some pure crap in her catalog. Just because you're a fan, that does not mean that you have to agree with everything that she's done.

 

POINT BEING---- we're the ones that buy the music. We have the right to say and think anything.

Edited November 23, 2011 at 02:04 AM by Alex_Incognito

[Celine_Fan_1992]

I also have the right to say and think whatever I want.

[Alex_Incognito]

You take things too personally. I haven't read anything hateful in this topic. Just because there is criticism doesn't mean that anyone hates Celine.

 

I see that you're a new member here and it's clear that you aren't used to the constructive criticism that many long-time fans post nowadays. Many fans want a new change in Celine's music. What's wrong with that? Nobody wants her to stick her children back inside her (at least they haven't voiced that).

 

Also, as a final note, it is not your place to say who is and who is not a true fan. Such posts will not help you make friends on this marvelous forum.

 

 

 

LONG LIVE THE CANADIAN QUEEN!

[Celine_Fan_1992]

If I see someone criticizing another human being, I will say something about it. I'm not going to keep my mouth shut.

 

 

I can tell people they are a fake fan if I believe they are. A true fan would not be saying the things that have been posted here.

 

 

Celine is a human being just like we all are. The only difference is that she has a different profession than we do. Celine is a mother, so of course she's going to talk about her children and put them first! If she wants to talk about her boys, then so be it. If you don't like it, only watch stuff of her that came out before her sons were born.

 

 

She is only one person and cannot be in a bunch of places at once doing a million different things. It just isn't possible.

 

If you want new music from her, that's one thing. However, there is absolutely no need whatsoever for some of the comments that have been made in this thread.

 

I have nothing else to say in this thread. I have already said what I feel, so I'm done now.

Edited November 23, 2011 at 05:35 AM by Celine_Fan_1992

[spunkransum]

 

Moderators, at any time seriously.

 

Not trying to start anything but we are seriously getting off topic now.

[ImACelineDionFan]

Can someone catch me up? I haven't been on this topic in months, I tried looking through the pages to find some news but I just got confused

[Javito]

Rene thinks that A Song for you was the jewel of Taking Chances. Enough said

 

+1

 

I totally agree, Claudette and Dhruv, and Patrick (though, we've all been members for quite some time and have become friends) . These new members have poor netiquette. Not everything Celine touches is rainbows and farts. She has some pure crap in her catalog. Just because you're a fan, that does not mean that you have to agree with everything that she's done.

 

POINT BEING---- we're the ones that buy the music. We have the right to say and think anything.

 

+1.000.000

[browseceline]

I totally agree, Claudette and Dhruv, and Patrick (though, we've all been members for quite some time and have become friends) . These new members have poor netiquette. Not everything Celine touches is rainbows and farts. She has some pure crap in her catalog. Just because you're a fan, that does not mean that you have to agree with everything that she's done.

 

POINT BEING---- we're the ones that buy the music. We have the right to say and think anything.

 

 

amen! not everything is golden.. and if we agree with everything she does we never show our real opinion, "just because you don't want to hurt her" - When I heard Celine was finally doing a new worldtour, after the long Vegas show, I was very happy. We read that they prepared so many songs and I thought this is going to be spectacular. And yes it was, it really was, seeing and hearing Celine for my first time live! But... the tracklist was filled with songs she had done before so many times. Fortunately there were some new songs too. And now she is back in Vegas with a new show called "Celine" and what is she bringing? A couple of the all favorites and the rest are covers. I know it has to do with the audience in Vegas lately. but I don't get it. Where is the rest of your repertoire? So yes, not everything Celine touches is golden for me.

And whenever Celine is invited on a show, chances are we are gonna get the song golden oldies and chances are the interview is about her familylive. almost never about her songs, which songs will be on the album. And that is what I am interested in. Not that RC is invited for a birthdayparty for instance, but real news about music! New music! It's not that we demand it, but Celine is a singer and it is her voice that let us become fans! , maybe some of you because of other reasons.

So yes I think we have the right to feel disappointed and show our feelings in this forum

Edited November 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM by browseceline

[Celine Fan 77]

I had a conversation with Andre Coutu yesterday (Celine's guitar player for 20 years). I asked him if he remembers the song Then You Look At Me, which is my favorite song of hers, and he told me that he knows the song, but he doesn't remember playing it live. I asked him if he knew why Celine never sang it live and if she ever talked to him about this particular song. He told me that they never spoke about this song, and that the ones who decide which songs are going to be part of the show are the members of the production team.

 

Going back to this topic, he also told me that he noticed that Celine and her team like her to perform mostly her biggest hits and don't usually touch her more obscure material, which, Andre himself said IS TOO BAD, although he knows that this formula seems to work for Celine. I told him that 95% of her fans think that way and he said that it's true, but this is the way they are used to work. I told him that maybe he could talk to René about this song being included on the new show.

[Davey84]

Going back to this topic, he also told me that he noticed that Celine and her team like her to perform mostly her biggest hits and don't usually touch her more obscure material, which, Andre himself said IS TOO BAD, although he knows that this formula seems to work for Celine.

 

 

It IS too bad! they made Céline a 'greatest hits' singer even before she reached the point halfway of her career

 

I hope with this new album, they'll choose songs with the SHOW in mind, and not think 'Oh, oh yeah we released a new album, which two songs can we perform as quick and as short as possible during the new show, to make people think we care about new songs'.

Edited November 23, 2011 at 01:48 PM by Davey84

[celinefanonline]

I had a conversation with Andre Coutu yesterday (Celine's guitar player for 20 years). I asked him if he remembers the song Then You Look At Me, which is my favorite song of hers, and he told me that he knows the song, but he doesn't remember playing it live. I asked him if he knew why Celine never sang it live and if she ever talked to him about this particular song. He told me that they never spoke about this song, and that the ones who decide which songs are going to be part of the show are the members of the production team.

 

Going back to this topic, he also told me that he noticed that Celine and her team like her to perform mostly her biggest hits and don't usually touch her more obscure material, which, Andre himself said IS TOO BAD, although he knows that this formula seems to work for Celine. I told him that 95% of her fans think that way and he said that it's true, but this is the way they are used to work. I told him that maybe he could talk to René about this song being included on the new show.

 

that's good to hear!!!

i love TYLAM but not sure if the song would fit the show though the orchestra would fit but not sure about the song itself also it's a really hard song to sing too

one thing i would really want for the show is a choir kinda song like LTAL, call the man or TPOTD it would be so amazing with orchestra and choir

 

anyway i want some more news on the new album lol

[browseceline]

I had a conversation with Andre Coutu yesterday (Celine's guitar player for 20 years). I asked him if he remembers the song Then You Look At Me, which is my favorite song of hers, and he told me that he knows the song, but he doesn't remember playing it live. I asked him if he knew why Celine never sang it live and if she ever talked to him about this particular song. He told me that they never spoke about this song, and that the ones who decide which songs are going to be part of the show are the members of the production team.

 

Going back to this topic, he also told me that he noticed that Celine and her team like her to perform mostly her biggest hits and don't usually touch her more obscure material, which, Andre himself said IS TOO BAD, although he knows that this formula seems to work for Celine. I told him that 95% of her fans think that way and he said that it's true, but this is the way they are used to work. I told him that maybe he could talk to René about this song being included on the new show.

 

 

Thank you so very much for doing that!! Now that is news! I wish Celine was more involved in which songs she likes to sing ! It seems that the production team arranges everything and does not get any negative comments from Celine or her band for playing the same songs every time over and over again. So many gems left untouched!

[QueenCeline]

I would just think that it would get so BORING being a musician in her band because they have been playing the same songs for so long. Not to mention it could be very boring for Celine herself, but at least she can have fun on stage and interact the with audience a little bit. But if all you're doing is playing music, and it doesn't change (not just for a tour, but doesn't change of 10+ years) that seems awful.

[Timster]

I would just think that it would get so BORING being a musician in her band because they have been playing the same songs for so long. Not to mention it could be very boring for Celine herself, but at least she can have fun on stage and interact the with audience a little bit. But if all you're doing is playing music, and it doesn't change (not just for a tour, but doesn't change of 10+ years) that seems awful.

 

I agree, they must be fed up playing BYLM, TPOL, IACBTMN & MHWGO all the time. However, this new show is probably more exciting for the band as there are new orchestral arrangements. But I hope in her next show she puts all the hits into an acoustic medley like ACDS, so they can focus more on other songs in her catalogue.

[Javito]

I had a conversation with Andre Coutu yesterday (Celine's guitar player for 20 years). I asked him if he remembers the song Then You Look At Me, which is my favorite song of hers, and he told me that he knows the song, but he doesn't remember playing it live. I asked him if he knew why Celine never sang it live and if she ever talked to him about this particular song. He told me that they never spoke about this song, and that the ones who decide which songs are going to be part of the show are the members of the production team.

 

Going back to this topic, he also told me that he noticed that Celine and her team like her to perform mostly her biggest hits and don't usually touch her more obscure material, which, Andre himself said IS TOO BAD, although he knows that this formula seems to work for Celine. I told him that 95% of her fans think that way and he said that it's true, but this is the way they are used to work. I told him that maybe he could talk to René about this song being included on the new show.

 

So it's just like we all thought, they are just "playing safe" everytime and always inside the perimeter of her comfort zone . How sad!

 

But, am I the only one who finds disturbing that nobody in her so called "production team" has called their attention about this? not to change a bit that way to work? I just think its ridiculous to have the same band members for more than 20 years with such confidence between them and neither Céline/René or the band members ask each other about playing new songs or trying different things! It's as if time permanently stopped for them in 1998 and nobody cares about doing changes!

[celinesounds]

In my opinion is

 

in the past they had the best people of the show business around Celine like Tommy Motolla, Humberto Gatica, David Foster....and now they don't look anymore for the best people, the music business change and they are still working with old people, but not the best anymore

[Claudette]

I wonder what happened to Celine's idea of doing a tribute album for Queen. Did they decide to just settle for the two songs she did during the tour?

[Tristan Cheah]

I hope this album is filled with brand new songs, not the cover songs....

 

I suggest all of the Celine Fans to do poll and send it to Rene. They didn't care about the music already, they've just care about the LIve and Money...

I'm quite sad when Rene said that new album only got 3 brand new songs only....

 

We all waiting Celine' s new album more than 4 years already. They cannot just simply to do a cover album or live album...It's just make Celine's fans upset only...

 

We've argued with team Celine and ask them to do a album that we want.!!!!!!!

 

About Celine in Vegas, I'm quite bored with the song lists...The target audience is like more 50 years old people...All the biggest hits is keep repeating