Questions and General discussion

[vroni]

it's hong kong dollars...

[Timster]

I didn't read it either - I thought it was $85 too!

[fan2celinedion]

Please, don't buy it Timmy it's mine! You have more item than I do

And it means a lot to me

[vroni]

then just buy it, it's buy-it-now anyway! how rare is it?

[Timster]

Please, don't buy it Timmy it's mine! You have more item than I do

And it means a lot to me

 

Don't worry I don't want to buy it!

[fan2celinedion]

then just buy it, it's buy-it-now anyway! how rare is it?

I always thought it was very rare but from what I've Heard it's not very rare! I'm not sure!

So tell me, how much do I have to pay? Thank you very much, you rock! Thank you! Thank you (I'm like Céline in the movie when they found baby lamb!)

 

Please, don't buy it Timmy it's mine! You have more item than I do

And it means a lot to me

 

Don't worry I don't want to buy it!

How cute! Thank you very much

Edited May 30, 2010 at 09:46 PM by fan2celinedion

[vroni]

85HD are about 9euros, just use google for a currency converter! Edited May 30, 2010 at 09:52 PM by vroni

[OlivierAllemagne]

I just bought a 45T called

Ecoutez- Moi / Tellement J'ai D'amour Pour Toi

Céline Dion

Saisons

45 Tours

 

Seller said it is an ultra rare promo with pinky sleeve trans canada...

"Disque promo canadien ultra rare dans une pochette papier rosée marquée trans-canada."

 

It was not expensive so I bought it anyway although I'm suspicious, there is no single called "Ecoutez-moi" neither on Discography Website, nor on Pdf. list from informatie punt celine channel, nor on wikipedia single list.

 

Anyone heard about it ?

 

Moreover don't know if some of you saw my previous question and could maybe answer =

 

 

I have a S'il suffisait d'aimer card sampler SAMPCM 5900, 6 tracks whose reference is on your website John.

But on the CD reference is written SAMPCMS 5900

What does the "S" stands for ? Is it an error ?

It's first time I see a reference-difference between CD and cover...

 

Thanks specialists lol

[OlivierAllemagne]

Currently I am trying to get at least one reference of each single ever commercially released, based on discography website/Pdf. list from Channel/and Wikipedia (I'm not talking about promo-only or digital only singles).

 

I am still desperately seeking for these singles if any of you has information or remark =

 

Water from the moon

I love you goodbye (Pdf. list says it was released commercially in the Philippines)

Listen to the magic man

Can't live with you can't live without you

Come together now

Je sais pas (live)

 

45T =

L'amour viendra

Tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi

Vois comme c'est beau

Dans la main d'un magicien

L'univers a besoin d'amour

La religieuse

Hand in hand

On traverse un miroir

Lolita (trop jeune pour aimer)

Comme un cœur froid

Délivre-moi

D'abord, c'est quoi l'amour?

Jours de fièvre

Edited June 1, 2010 at 10:36 AM by OlivierAllemagne

[Der_Griffon]

Could you give as a link to the listing of the Ecoutez-moi promo? Is there a picture of it on there? If not, would you share pictures of it when you receive it.

 

The fact that it isn't listed on those collector guides you mentioned doesn't mean that it's non existent and a fake. This part of Celine's discography always hides surprises. And not only this one. But, anyway, the collector's guide are always subject to expansion as new items surface on the market. Also, keep in mind that making a fake is only easy when it comes to CDs, even though it is really tough to make an excellent, nearly unrecognizable fake, but that is not the case for vynils - it is nearly impossible to make a fake vynil, so don't be extremely suspicious. I'm guessing you'll be extremely lucky and will score on an extremely rare item for a fair price.

[Der_Griffon]

Well, I wish you good luck, because you're looking for some of the rarest releases out there. Be prepared to cough up a siezable ammount of money if you see a liting for almost any of those.

[OlivierAllemagne]

Thank for your answer

 

There was no photo !!!

My suspicion is that it's in fact a "tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi" single but the seller did not pay attention and labelled it as an "écoutez moi" single. But still, there was is no promo single listed for "tjadapt".

 

there s no link anymore coz i bought the item (on priceminister)

 

Anyway i ll see when I receive it i ll tell you and i ll make photographs

Edited June 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM by OlivierAllemagne

[Davey84]

that single you bought is

tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi

 

he just mixed up the B and A side

 

I recently saw these singles in a cheap lot:

 

Comme un cœur froid

Délivre-moi

D'abord, c'est quoi l'amour?

 

my advice is to look closely on ebay

 

Olivier, please post in the right topic! I moved ur posts to this topic

[J-Man]

Hi Olivier, Davey is right about the 45. They are mixing up the A and B side. Get the catalogue number from him, this is probably: SNS 6518. There are no promo's from this song released. Only the single. Sometimes people claim things are very rare or promo's when they are not, especially on sites like Price Minister where prices can vary greatly. The pinky sleeve I wouldn't take much notice of. These vinyls are often sold with replacement sleeves/no sleeve. If it ain't a picture sleeve, it means very little.

I have seen this kind of mixing the sides up thing happen a couple of times. It is really the sellers fault, you could get on to him and try to cancel the sale if you want.

 

I have the SSD sampler you are talking about (SAMPM5900) It also has the S on the CD. Sorry but I don't know what the S might stand for.

Edited June 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM by J-Man

[OlivierAllemagne]

Mixing up the sides is one thing, but claiming it's a promo... This seller is really not honest! But I won't cancel the sale because I need a Tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi single anyway

 

ok tanks for answering to SSD sampler.

 

Hi Olivier, Davey is right about the 45. They are mixing up the A and B side. Get the catalogue number from him, this is probably: SNS 6518. There are no promo's from this song released. Only the single. Sometimes people claim things are very rare or promo's when they are not, especially on sites like Price Minister where prices can vary greatly. The pinky sleeve I wouldn't take much notice of. These vinyls are often sold with replacement sleeves/no sleeve. If it ain't a picture sleeve, it means very little.

I have seen this kind of mixing the sides up thing happen a couple of times. It is really the sellers fault, you could get on to him and try to cancel the sale if you want.

 

I have the SSD sampler you are talking about (SAMPM5900) It also has the S on the CD. Sorry but I don't know what the S might stand for.

[Celine_Forever_2004]

Mixing up the sides is one thing, but claiming it's a promo... This seller is really not honest!

 

I don't know what's happened in this particular case, but sometimes copies of commercial releases are distributed as promos (especially when there's no separate promo issued).

 

These may be marked ("promo-stamped") as such (such as the early promo-stamped singles from Australia), but not always.

 

So the single might be from a radio station collection, or have some other justification for being described as a promo, even if its not a separate promo release or explictly labeled as such.

[Celine_Forever_2004]

Currently I am trying to get at least one reference of each single ever commercially released, based on discography website/Pdf. list from Channel/and Wikipedia (I'm not talking about promo-only or digital only singles).

 

I am still desperately seeking for these singles if any of you has information or remark =

 

Water from the moon

I love you goodbye (Pdf. list says it was released commercially in the Philippines)

Listen to the magic man

Can't live with you can't live without you

Come together now

Je sais pas (live)

 

45T =

L'amour viendra

Tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi

Vois comme c'est beau

Dans la main d'un magicien

L'univers a besoin d'amour

La religieuse

Hand in hand

On traverse un miroir

Lolita (trop jeune pour aimer)

Comme un cœur froid

Délivre-moi

D'abord, c'est quoi l'amour?

Jours de fièvre

 

Water from the moon: the 7" single (without picture sleeve) is often seen on eBay and elsewhere. The interesting releases (cassette single and promo CD, both with picture sleeves) are both hard to find.

 

I love you goodbye: I saw this on eBay once and stupidly didn't buy it at the time. Very hard to find.

 

Listen to the magic man: Very hard to find.

 

Can't live with you can't live without you: Very hard to find, but usually not particularly expensive when it is offered for sale. Myself (and several others on this forum) were able to obtain it at bargain prices.

 

Come together now: This shouldn't be too hard to find...

 

Je sais pas (live): Not common, but not particularly rare either. If you're willing to pay 30-40 EUR for it, you should be able to find it quite easily. You might need to be more patient if you want to pay less.

 

As for the others...

 

Fairly common:

Tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi

Comme un cœur froid

Délivre-moi

D'abord, c'est quoi l'amour?

 

Harder to find:

L'amour viendra

Vois comme c'est beau

Dans la main d'un magicien

La religieuse

On traverse un miroir

Lolita (trop jeune pour aimer) (without picture sleeve)

 

Hard to find:

Lolita (trop jeune pour aimer) (with picture sleeve)

Jours de fièvre

 

Very hard to find:

Hand in hand

 

Practically mythical:

L'univers a besoin d'amour: I can't stress how difficult this is to find. In my opinion, this is a serious contender for rarest Celine item (across all categories).

[fan2celinedion]

that single you bought is

tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi

 

he just mixed up the B and A side

 

I recently saw these singles in a cheap lot:

 

Comme un cœur froid

Délivre-moi

D'abord, c'est quoi l'amour?

 

my advice is to look closely on ebay

 

Olivier, please post in the right topic! I moved ur posts to this topic

Is it the radio edit?

[J-Man]

Practically mythical:

L'univers a besoin d'amour: I can't stress how difficult this is to find. In my opinion, this is a serious contender for rarest Celine item (across all categories).

 

Interesting you say that, considering, if memory serves me right, you managed to find yourself a copy a while back!!

 

(He is right though, it's pretty impossible to find)

[Celine_Forever_2004]

Comme un cœur froid[/b]

Is it the radio edit?

 

Yes, the version of "Comme Un Coeur Froid" on the single is an edit.

 

Interesting you say that, considering, if memory serves me right, you managed to find yourself a copy a while back!!

 

Well, having achieved this feat, I can personally attest to how difficult it is.

 

It's perhaps my greatest achievement of 11 years of collecting (probably rivalled only by "It's Hard To Say Goodbye") and the delay wasn't because I was waiting for a cheap copy!

 

More seriously, there is definitely a certain amount of subjectivity involved in determining "the" rarest item in particular categories, especially because (as I've noted before) rarity is difficult to measure objectively. And the question of the most desirable item is completely subjective, although there's probably a lot of intersection between different people's opinions on this topic. Nonetheless, as you noted, I'm sure everyone would agree that "L'univers A Besoin D'amour" is up there.

Edited June 1, 2010 at 04:20 PM by Celine_Forever_2004

[J-Man]

The only thing going against it (L'univers) is that it isn't as desirable because it is basically a plain vinyl, so no artwork.

I think you do need some pictures to be able to properly lust after something. So very rare: yes, expensive: yes, desirable:, well yes, but not asthetically, so it looses points there.

[Celine_Forever_2004]

The only thing going against it (L'univers) is that it isn't as desirable because it is basically a plain vinyl, so no artwork.

I think you do need some pictures to be able to properly lust after something. So very rare: yes, expensive: yes, desirable:, well yes, but not asthetically, so it looses points there.

 

You're right, a picture sleeve would be nice.

 

Although in my opinion, the exclusive (and otherwise unavailable) songs make up for the lack of a picture sleeve.

[OlivierAllemagne]

Thanks for these interesting feedbacks, Celine_Forever_2 and J-man

 

OMG and we're only talking about commercially released things. Promo only singles must be mythical as well lol (à paris, dreamin' of you, etc...)

 

Weirdly enought i could not find nice thing for nothing broken but my heart and took a cheap 45T with no PS :-((( just to at least have a NBBMH reference... Water from the moon is weirdly enough unfindable... I bought Next plane out CD 3titres and other 45T yesterday and today :-)

 

Since May 19th I cannot stop buying things on ebay and priceminister loool

Edited June 1, 2010 at 06:46 PM by OlivierAllemagne

[OlivierAllemagne]

ok L'univers a besoin d'amour is maybe not beautiful, but it IS a commercially released title so damn I would like to have it

 

I won't be satisfied until i have at least one reference for each commercially released title. which means I should get for instance "Vivre" as well, althought I already have The Best of 1988

 

Then for promo it's nearly impossible to get them all so I ll be more patient

[Celine_Forever_2004]

OMG and we're only talking about commercially released things. Promo only singles must be mythical as well lol (à paris, dreamin' of you, etc...)

 

As John suggested, I might not be entirely objective, but in my opinion, based on what I've seen for sale (primarily on eBay) over the last 11 years, "L'univers A Besoin D'amour" is rarer than both "A Paris" and "Dreamin' of You".

 

"Dreamin' of You" is definitely extremely hard to find. I'm not inclined to place "A Paris" on the same level (at least for the time being). Yes it's a lovely item and it's always expensive, but to me it just doesn't seem to appear for sale THAT infrequently. Although I'll likely re-evaluate this opinion at some point...

 

I would agree that it's probably safe to say that promos are in general rarer than commercial releases, but there are certainly exceptions.

 

Back on the subject of "L'univers A Besoin D'amour", while other items might arguably be more desirable, in terms of sheer scarcity and (in)frequency of copies offered for sale, it's hard to beat. There are only a handful of items ("I Hate You Then I Love You", the Chilean "Then You Look at Me" promo, "Amar Haciendo El Amor" and "It's Hard To Say Goodbye") that I'd place on the same level.

 

"Hand in Hand", "Dreamin' of You", "Aun Existe Amor", "Have a Heart" and "Did You Give Enough Love" are also practically mythical and highly desirable items, but in my opinion, they're all appreciably more common than those in the previous paragraph.

 

Weirdly enought i could not find nice thing for nothing broken but my heart and took a cheap 45T with no PS :-((( just to at least have a NBBMH reference... Water from the moon is weirdly enough unfindable...

 

That's not surprising: the interesting "Nothing Broken But My Heart" items are also quite hard to find. I'm sure it won't take you too long to find a "Water From The Moon" 7" single.

Edited June 1, 2010 at 07:49 PM by Celine_Forever_2004

[Celine_Forever_2004]

ok L'univers a besoin d'amour is maybe not beautiful, but it IS a commercially released title so damn I would like to have it

 

Finalising my love song to "L'univers A Besoin D'amour", it might not look beautiful, but it sounds beautiful.

[OlivierAllemagne]

the rarity degree of any item could be extremely easy to say if only we had numbers of how many copies were made (which TBS, Saison, and Sony international marketing and sales department should know...)

 

Actually that would be so cool if we had exact sales and fabrication numbers for each reference lol but that has always been secret for all artists and groups except for rough numbers... And probably it s hard even for industry people, with all the labels and subsidiaries... and for fans that would erase a bit the mystery around those rare CD's.

 

What would be your number estimations of how many copies were made for the titles you mentionned ? Is is a few hundreds or a few thousands ?

 

If only we could have all archives numbers from all marketing and sales depatments at all Sony subsidiaries (and same for early labels from the 80's)

 

As for Water from the moon I'm interested in the commercial CD released in the USA (if i m not wrong), not a 7" single From 1990 on I prefer CD's to 7" or 12"... But yea if I find the Water from the moon 7" I ll buy it I think, like for NBBMH.

 

 

 

 

 

OMG and we're only talking about commercially released things. Promo only singles must be mythical as well lol (à paris, dreamin' of you, etc...)

 

As John suggested, I might not be entirely objective, but in my opinion, based on what I've seen for sale (primarily on eBay) over the last 11 years, "L'univers A Besoin D'amour" is rarer than both "A Paris" and "Dreamin' of You".

 

"Dreamin' of You" is definitely extremely hard to find. I'm not inclined to place "A Paris" on the same level (at least for the time being). Yes it's a lovely item and it's always expensive, but to me it just doesn't seem to appear for sale THAT infrequently. Although I'll likely re-evaluate this opinion at some point...

 

I would agree that it's probably safe to say that promos are in general rarer than commercial releases, but there are certainly exceptions.

 

Back on the subject of "L'univers A Besoin D'amour", while other items might arguably be more desirable, in terms of sheer scarcity and (in)frequency of copies offered for sale, it's hard to beat. "Amar Haciendo El Amor" and "It's Hard To Say Goodbye" are the only ones that I can think of that I'd place on the same level.

 

"Hand in Hand", "Dreamin' of You", "Aun Existe Amor", "Have a Heart" and "Did You Give Enough Love" are also practically mythical and highly desirable items, but in my opinion, they're all appreciably more common than these three.

 

Weirdly enought i could not find nice thing for nothing broken but my heart and took a cheap 45T with no PS :-((( just to at least have a NBBMH reference... Water from the moon is weirdly enough unfindable...

 

That's not surprising: the interesting "Nothing Broken But My Heart" items are also quite hard to find. I'm sure it won't take you too long to find a "Water From The Moon" 7" single.

[OlivierAllemagne]

the Chilean "Then You Look at Me" promo

 

"Hand in Hand"

 

But the way I got CELINE DION Was bedeute ich Dir Label mispress 1984 EMI last week, a version with cracked round sticker on the disc itself (manufacturing failure)

The disc is said to run and sound very well though, seller said this makes the item ultra rare coz it should have been removed from the manufacturing plant before being sold.

 

Does this make the item more valuable or less so ?

 

I ll make picture when I receive it.

Edited June 1, 2010 at 08:05 PM by OlivierAllemagne

[Celine_Forever_2004]

What would be your number estimations of how many copies were made for the titles you mentionned ? Is is a few hundreds or a few thousands ?

 

No more than a few hundred copies for any of the "practically mythical" items. Very possibly fewer. But this is just a guess. Someone else could pull an equally arbitrary number out of thin air.

 

There's also the question of how many copies of particular items have survived (in reasonable condition) to the present day, thus still leaving a degree of ambiguity when determining rarity, even if we know how many copies of particular items were originally produced.

 

As for Water from the moon I'm interested in the commercial CD released in the USA (if i m not wrong), not a 7" single From 1990 on I prefer CD's to 7" or 12"... But yea if I find the Water from the moon 7" I ll buy it I think, like for NBBMH.

 

There was no commercial CD single for "Water From The Moon", only the 1 track promo CD. There was a commercial cassette release (from the USA) that came with a picture sleeve.

[Celine_Forever_2004]

Does this make the item more valuable or less so ?

 

I'd be inclined to say no change. On the one hand, there are probably very few copies with this particular "manufacturing failure" so it's quite unique. On the other hand, it makes the item look far less attractive (aesthetically). I'd say these two factors would probably cancel each other out.

 

I doubt it'd be more valuable because it would look less attractive.