Celine Dion Voice Changes

[samueldethierry]

Technique is the key to success in songs and your voice (singing), and technique is often the thing which destroys a singer. Not for Celine! A message to Fans who have been to Las Vegas and have Falling into You the album. Listen over songs like All by Myself, Decleration of Love and Call the Man (especially). Doesn't her voice sound different than it does now? In the Falling Into you album she suffered from Tremendous Vocal strain and many sore throughts after singing songs. You can here the hoarseness and strain for the G in All By Myself and some normal notes in Call the Man. Listen to how she sings now, and look at the difference! Not one strain...just pure soft solid strength notes!

 

The best example is in 1999 when she sings "Sorry seems to be the hardest word". She strains slightly at the top notes in the chorus when she uses her chest voice.

 

She sung it a week ago in Las Vegas. She mixed it beautifully and went right up without a singal problem. It sounded beautiful. The same goes for "Seduces me".

 

Does anyone else notice the change?

[nati]

Yes. I believe your one of the first fans who has actually approved the way Celine sounds. Good for you, and GREAT job Celine.

[SimplyCeline]

I have to say that i think her voice need some work! I can't be the only one thinking it has lost its depth and became quite thin.

 

On the album A New Day Has Come, she sounded tremendous but on her new song, Let Your Heart Decide, she sounds quite thin and strained. He vibrato also seem to be forced in that song. Im quite disappointed actually.

 

Also, i was listening to her Power of Love performance from H.E.A.R.T and its lost its focus. Im pretty sure she used play back from the first chorus onwards cos her voice was a bit iffy on the verse then all of a sudden..wow...which I dont believe to be her singing there and then.

 

Im the first to defend Celine normally, but im getting concerned now about her voice. Maybe she is overworked?

[Céline's Blues]

Thank you for this topic, Sam! At last someone who sees a BIG positive difference in Céline's vocal approach. I've been saying for years that what she has delivered on the FIY album had its consequences years after.

 

The key is softness now, not strain - the power in her voice back then was due to the huge strain she put on her voical chords throughout the years, year for year, album after album.

 

Her vocal approch is really fresh and that's the reason she doesn't sound strained like e.g. Mariah or Whitney who STILL hold on to their old strain-my-vocals rule and try to sound like they did back then in their prime. It's insane to epect someone as skilled as Céline not to recognize the dangers of oversinging. Pity that some of her fans still don't get it.

 

This or that way Céline already adapted to it. 1F4T is the vocal standard she set in her career. Never before was her voice more colourful and softer. On that album the gurl is really breathing the notes out naturally without any sings of strain. I'm looking forward to hearing it on the next English album.

 

SimplyCeline, don't take "Let Your Heart Decide" as example. It's a low cost song, pretty forgettable and hardly adequate to Céline's vocal skills. You certainly hear that she is not paying attention to how she's singing. Sounds like she recorded it in 5 mins. Let's wait for her next English album where I'm sure we will be able to witness and hear more of this fresh vocal approach of hers. In a very positive way. All that of course only if the new producers will allow her that but I think they will...

[1Celine12]

I am a beginning singer and what I've learned is that you don't need to force the music. I actually think she has a nasal sound as many of the fans on here have said in the past. Isn't Céline 5 octave soprano? I read about that when they did an article for The Power Of The Dream and they were saying about all the people who worked with her on that song and they mentioned that Céline was a 5 octave soprano. That's where I heard about that. If she does sing as a 5 octave soprano, I think that was way back when that song was done. I think she sings a little lower now. That's all I have to say about that.

 

Please acknowledge my siggy and please do what it says. I don't want to have other topics closed down because of fans having an argument over childish and petty things like how Céline sings or whatever we need to keep it as clean a forum as possible so Koolan and Bellamy don't end up shutting this WONDERFUL forum down because of the stupidity that some of the fans in here create. I'm not naming any names, but we all know who we are. End of that. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I am just giving us a suggestion, that's all. I don't want people to take what I have said the wrong way. Thank You for hearing me out.

Edited March 1, 2006 at 10:14 PM by 1Celine12

[Bellamy]

Technique is the key to success in songs and your voice (singing), and technique is often the thing which destroys a singer. Not for Celine! A message to Fans who have been to Las Vegas and have Falling into You the album. Listen over songs like All by Myself, Decleration of Love and Call the Man (especially). Doesn't her voice sound different than it does now? In the Falling Into you album she suffered from Tremendous Vocal strain and many sore throughts after singing songs. You can here the hoarseness and strain for the G in All By Myself and some normal notes in Call the Man. Listen to how she sings now, and look at the difference! Not one strain...just pure soft solid strength notes!

 

The best example is in 1999 when she sings "Sorry seems to be the hardest word". She strains slightly at the top notes in the chorus when she uses her chest voice.

 

She sung it a week ago in Las Vegas. She mixed it beautifully and went right up without a singal problem. It sounded beautiful. The same goes for "Seduces me".

 

Does anyone else notice the change?

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Very well said. Her voice doesn't sound forceful as before anymore, and more colorful.

[Célinefull]

@Suir, totally agree with TLS, very budget, not precious like JNVOP..

 

My favorite song is On ne change pas, so I love Céline when she holds back, but you can't say that you didn't love Céline every now and then when she just let loose and ripped out "le blues du business man" it made you proud..no prouder than I am of her now though.

 

@1Celine12, I think we should try not to make every single thread about what's in your sig, I'd like to try and move on from what happened earlier this week, which I think is best for everyone. If you get me?

[Krys]

i loved Celine back in the 90's and i love Celine the way she is now. i dont care if her voice changes, decides to record an album like OH or if one day she looses her voice, i will still be her fan. end of story

[rodney2004]

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is your avatar real?

[firebird]

I don't think she's better or worse than before. Though you notice that she doesn't control her voice as much as before anymore that's why when you listen to a lot of her Vegas performances she sounds a lot more nasal than before, because in the 90ies she controlled this aspect of her voice much more, and now it comes out more often since it's how she sounds naturally

I also have to say that her voice in 2002 when she recorded A New Day Has Come and 1 Fille & 4 Types was much more in common with her voice of the 90ies and later when you listen to Miracle for example, her voice is very limited and thin, it doesn't sound good on this album, but on some live performances like Le Blues Du Businessman she is limited but it sounds great because she adds something to her singing. It sounds warm and (almost) perfect, much better than the 1999 Juno Performance which in my opinion sounds really cold. I think this performance on French TV was her best since 1995 Live A Paris performance.

And another thing you notice that she doesn't sing as high as before, and the deeper voice makes her sound also a little bit warmer and smoother than before.

PS: She didn't sing Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word in 1999, it was in 1989 !

I really don't see any improvement, it's just that she has lost a lot of her technique and sings more naturally, and I also don't agree on the strains on FIY, to me it sounds really effortless how she sang around that time.

I like them both. The vocal perfection of the 90ies and the "imperfection" of today

[thevoice]

i'm sorry to say this but some people here r living in lala land...celine's voice is in it's worst condition ever...she cant hit 1 note right (i'm talking about the money notes) , she lost most of her voice power and she sounds today like an imitation of her old self - that's how bad she sounds .

[Krys]

i'm sorry to say this but some people here r living in lala land...celine's voice is in it's worst condition ever...she cant hit 1 note right (i'm talking about the money notes) , she lost most of her voice power and she sounds today like an imitation of her old self - that's how bad she sounds .

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lala land? you very well know Celine is getting older. everyone is. she cant keep her old voice for eternity. she doesnt care about "the money notes" anymore. not one note right? if she cant hit one single money note right, she should've stopped long ago. PERIOD.

[Bellamy]

i'm sorry to say this but some people here r living in lala land...celine's voice is in it's worst condition ever...she cant hit 1 note right (i'm talking about the money notes) , she lost most of her voice power and she sounds today like an imitation of her old self - that's how bad she sounds .

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Maybe you should stop watch anything from Celine later than 1999 anymore. And stop daydreaming about Celine hit those money notes again. She won't and she doesn't care.

 

Also thank you for turning every single positive topic here to negative. ONCE AGAIN.

[Céline's Blues]

is your avatar real?

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Of course it is!

 

I really don't see any improvement, it's just that she has lost a lot of her technique and sings more naturally, and I also don't agree on the strains on FIY, to me it sounds really effortless how she sang around that time.

I like them both. The vocal perfection of the 90ies and the "imperfection" of today

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I don't know but personally I don't think FIY is "effortless" at all - just look at her recording sessions from this album, she pushed herself so hard, she wanted to show the producers how great she is as a singer. Pure vocal show-off, of course some here on the forum are fans of the robotic, mechanical Céline which is no wonder at all since it was she herself who build such image around herself. Now however I think she matured a lot, not only she is aware that her voice is not the same anymore but also she knows that there is something more out there than just perfect notes. They're all gone now and thank God they are! I don't think any of the music critics would embrace another mechanical Céline Dion album. haha

 

I have the Nature Boy and Apprends-moi Céline ANYDAY over the pushed and scripted perfection she projected on any of her English albums back in the 90's.

[Krys]

somebody needs a serious reality check

[celine the power of my dream]

i'm sorry to say this but some people here r living in lala land...celine's voice is in it's worst condition ever...she cant hit 1 note right (i'm talking about the money notes) , she lost most of her voice power and she sounds today like an imitation of her old self - that's how bad she sounds .

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maby some of us are in lalaland but I think that you are not in Céline's world anymore.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that you can't have any critic I have critic myself with certain things, but it is the way you speak them out.

 

Like about the way she sings these days yes she sounds different one person likes the change an other doesn't thats not wrong thats an opinion and for both ways there is something to say like you said the voice she doesn't hit the money notes right anymore but is that so bad that you have to say that she is an imitation of her old self no. Because what she brings today is for me as good as before maby at certain levels even better. That has nothing to do with being in lalaland that has to do with a personal taste. And if you don't like it it's your right to speak it out but what I said before it's not what you say it's how you say it. We are all fans and we care about Céline than it's not nice to read treats with such a negative influence. There are other ways to say it even if what you say is for a small part true.

 

It's like with a friend if you like someone and you have to say something negative you try to still sound it like a positive thing but when you don't like someone you just say it as hard as you can and the fact that we all here because we are fan of Céline like, love and care for her it has not so much to do with an critic being true or false but more with a feeling. You don't have be so negative and hard to say what you mean.

 

Be critical but stay positive

[Krys]

well said! hopefully more people will see Celine like you and a few others do.

 

fancy calling somebody else in lala land...pfft. we would need filtering for the threads soon...

Edited March 2, 2006 at 12:24 PM by lamourpourCeline

[1Celine12]

I see what you are saying Célinefull. I know you aren't trying to be mean or anything, you are just sick of everyone reading about my siggy, that's all. I will forget about what happened earlier this week if others do as well. Are WE all in aggreement on this?

 

I will change my siggy so that I won't keep talking about it. Okay?

Edited March 2, 2006 at 02:27 PM by 1Celine12

[HelenCeline27]

i love celines voices it just the best

[changepas39]

I have noticed how her voiced has changed....but it sounds to me that it is deeper...more smooth..........but her voice gets stronger....just like the changes from the 80's.....early 90's....mid 90's......late 90's......and now....

[Célinefull]

i'm sorry to say this but some people here r living in lala land...celine's voice is in it's worst condition ever...she cant hit 1 note right (i'm talking about the money notes) , she lost most of her voice power and she sounds today like an imitation of her old self - that's how bad she sounds .

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lala land? you very well know Celine is getting older. everyone is. she cant keep her old voice for eternity. she doesnt care about "the money notes" anymore. not one note right? if she cant hit one single money note right, she should've stopped long ago. PERIOD.

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she's not that old..Cathy! Tell her!!

 

As for the money note type business, I think it's pretty smart that she isn't even trying to sing like that anymore. I also think that what you have to realise is that it's not about wether she was better or not before, it's about the fact that she has changed, and she isn't the same person that she was before, she is different, just like she doesn't sound like she did when she sung d'amour ou d'amitié, and you could argue that she sounded the best back then, everyone might like different eras of Céline's music.

 

Also, I disagree with whoever said that she sounded like she was straining her voice during the FIY period. Wrong. Céline has never strianed her voice "song after song, album after album" she sacrificed, and now she is past the point of thinking that those sacrifices (i.e. not talking for long streches of time) are worth it.

[firebird]

I don't know but personally I don't think FIY is "effortless" at all - just look at her recording sessions from this album, she pushed herself so hard, she wanted to show the producers how great she is as a singer. Pure vocal show-off, of course some here on the forum are fans of the robotic, mechanical Céline which is no wonder at all since it was she herself who build such image around herself.

I don't care about how many hours she spent in studio or if she had to do a handstand to reach the note on All By Myself. What counts is the result. And that sounds effortless, and even if you listen to live performances of that time, you get the same impression.

Now however I think she matured a lot, not only she is aware that her voice is not the same anymore but also she knows that there is something more out there than just perfect notes. They're all gone now and thank God they are! I don't think any of the music critics would embrace another mechanical Céline Dion album.

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What I don't get is, why some people think that emotion and technical perfection can't go together. I'd love her to keep both.

[Célinefull]

To add to Solaris' second point, I agree, if you look at songs like On ne change pas or En attendant ses pas, they are beautiful, and there are no huge notes in them, they are just melodic and they are equally as "emotional" as any of her new songs.

[mattia]

man......actually i would love celine to hit money notes as she used to and still keep up her emotional side...though i'm quite sure that the main reason why she doesn't sing "that high" anymore isn't beacuse she's lost her voice but simply cos she's too TIRED!!!!...man how can you sing i surrender, i drove all night, seduces me and my heart will go on EACH AND EVERY NIGHT pushing it hard....she would tear her voice off after the first week, wouldn't she?

so one side she's tired, one side she has to take care of her voice..

moreover she doesn't need to show off or to impress with her vocals anymore, she already got the highest place ever, and nobody has the voice-the charisma-the personality and above all THE STRENGHT..(and such the manager as well.....)

 

so, i think that she is not singing as high & powerful as before cos

 

1. she's tired;

2. she has to take care of her voice;

3. she alrdy made it way beyond the top, she simply doesn't need to show off;

4. she's not interested in it anymore....

 

one last thing, as i always say, celine is MUCH MORE THAN SIMPLY HER VOICE...

i love her SOUL ..not her money notes..

 

[DjCeline]

man......actually i would love celine to hit money notes as she used to and still keep up her emotional side...though i'm quite sure that the main reason why she doesn't sing "that high" anymore isn't beacuse she's lost her voice but simply cos she's too TIRED!!!!...man how can you sing i surrender, i drove all night, seduces me and my heart will go on EACH AND EVERY NIGHT pushing it hard....she would tear her voice off after the first week, wouldn't she?

so one side she's tired, one side she has to take care of her voice..

moreover she doesn't need to show off or to impress with her vocals anymore, she already got the highest place ever, and nobody has the voice-the charisma-the personality and above all THE STRENGHT..(and such the manager as well.....)

 

so, i think that she is not singing as high & powerful as before cos

 

    1. she's tired;

    2. she has to take care of her voice;

    3. she alrdy made it way beyond the top, she simply doesn't need to show off;

    4. she's not interested in it anymore....

 

one last thing, as i always say, celine is MUCH MORE THAN SIMPLY HER VOICE...

i love her SOUL ..not her money notes..

 

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i totally agree. Celine has indeed change. and for us, the fans, she doesn't need to prove that she can hit high and difficult notes. the entire world knows that. maybe she just needs to sing softer songs, ones that reach our hearts not through power but through a soft, warm voice....

[rosebud]

celine is appraoching 40 how can you expect her voice to stay as good as it was when she was twenty, its not possible.

celine sounded good then and she sounds good now to me, things change nothing stays the same.

[Krys]

she's not that old..Cathy! Tell her!! 

 

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i didnt say she was 50 or anything...i just said she was getting older. dont tell me you can stay young forever...

[1Celine12]

Speaking about the financial aspect of the business, Céline did say on the dvd that came with the ANDHC album that the show was going to generate $100 million dollar and that she didn't care about the money part of it. All that she cares about is making the fans happy.

[samylicious]

Hey everybody! I hope everyone is doing well.

 

I just wanted to say something which seems to make sense to me. I think the reason Celine's voice seems less powerful to some of you, is that the poor one has been singing 5 nights a week non-stop for FOUR WHOLE YEARS IN AN ARID AND EXTREMELY DRY DESERT! Plus, she has to talk to her son, to the audience, she travels abroad and sings live in foreign TV shows, and does interviews and stuff.

 

Celine is no fool, she knows her life rests on her voice and vocal cords. She may say that now she is in control of her vocal cords, but recently she confessed that her voice sends her signals that it is tired and needs some rest. In addition to this, she said she is still taking singing lessons while in Vegas. Her voice did not change, she just is trying to adapt it to the harsh weather of a desert. She changed her technique to accomodate her vocal cords to the dry air. I am sure once Vegas is over and that she gets some good rest, her voice will be back in shape again...because her unique instrument is a heaven-sent gift.

 

Last but not least, i guess Vegas is another highlight in Celine's career. For a Francophone to run a show for 4 years in the US has never been heard-of before. There had been some French-speaking acts in Vegas before her, but she is the only one to put on such a massive extravaganza, and for such a long time. Elvis did Vegas for a certain number of years, Cher did it for 3 years ( not for 5 nights/week, though). So Celine is gonna be the only female artist to do such a thing. She is gonna be the New Queen of Vegas, as Elvis is named the King of Vegas. That would be one important achievement in her resume. She sold millions of records, sold out huge stadium tours, broke records, made history...and still is. I am sure she is gonna come up with something spectacular after Vegas is over. Or maybe she is gonna launch a new English album, tour for a little while, then take a break for 2 more years. Do not forget she is even planning to try acting, too. Do you remember, back in 1998, when she said some producers wanted her to portray the famous French singer "Edith Piaf" in an adaptation movie? Maybe the movie is gonna be about the artist in her 40s, and Celine would fit perfectly for the role by that age.

 

One thing you should all remember my friends, Celine and Rene always plan far ahead of all the others. We might think they live life one day at a time as they say they do, and i am sure they enjoy more of life now, but i am convinced they have plans for her career in the loooong run too. So, please do not worry, her voice is just going through a phase...and you should ALL be thankful she does not have what they call "Vegas Throat", which is for an artist to lose their voice while singing there.

 

Now one question: Would you prefer Celine to still put out records and try to improve her sound bit by bit? or would you like for her to lose her voice forever?

Think about it, you will find the answer deep within.

 

I am happy to be part of this amazing forum, and to be just like you guys a fan of the most touching female artist the world will ever know. God bless.

 

Samy

Edited March 4, 2006 at 02:23 AM by samylicious

[Célinefull]

she's not that old..Cathy! Tell her!! 

 

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i didnt say she was 50 or anything...i just said she was getting older. dont tell me you can stay young forever...

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Céline will live forever