Ukrfan Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:34 AM Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:34 AM One thing I noticed is that people here want updates on how Celine got so much better, but I believe there are many reasons she simply cannot share the details yet. 1. The treatment might not be available to the general public yet if she participated in an experimental treatment that hasn't been approved by the FDA so far. 2. Celine may be in an NDA agreement about that experimental treatment too, 3. The cost of her new treatment might be unattainable by the general public (imagine the outrage if Celine got cured / so much better but had to spend $1 million - nothing to her, but 99% of SPS patients couldn't use it, so why even mention it)? And yeah, #4 - they might provide explanations closer to her actual comeback later this fall. 3 1 Quote
Els Posted June 6, 2026 at 10:19 AM Posted June 6, 2026 at 10:19 AM On 6/6/2026 at 11:34 AM, Ukrfan said: One thing I noticed is that people here want updates on how Celine got so much better, but I believe there are many reasons she simply cannot share the details yet. 1. The treatment might not be available to the general public yet if she participated in an experimental treatment that hasn't been approved by the FDA so far. 2. Celine may be in an NDA agreement about that experimental treatment too, 3. The cost of her new treatment might be unattainable by the general public (imagine the outrage if Celine got cured / so much better but had to spend $1 million - nothing to her, but 99% of SPS patients couldn't use it, so why even mention it)? And yeah, #4 - they might provide explanations closer to her actual comeback later this fall. Yes, true ! (And we did have this news very recently about a potentially big advance in treatment : https://people.com/researchers-share-potential-breakthrough-in-celine-dion-disorder-stiff-person-syndrome-11988211) 3 Quote
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 11:30 AM Posted June 6, 2026 at 11:30 AM Finally, some common sense. Her doctor discussed a major advancement but was cautious not to call it "cure" yet. Key word: Yet. 3 Quote
Nmj Posted June 6, 2026 at 01:12 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 01:12 PM On 6/6/2026 at 7:30 AM, LukeD said: Finally, some common sense. Her doctor discussed a major advancement but was cautious not to call it "cure" yet. Key word: Yet. I think it’s no coincidence that article of those clinical trial findings came out when it did. We can’t know for sure unless they tell us but I’d be willing to bet Celine took part in those trials and clearly If so, they have made a world of difference. Personally, I don’t believe she’s gearing up 26 shows again because of physical therapy. 1 Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 03:16 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 03:16 PM (edited) On 6/5/2026 at 9:16 PM, LukeD said: Nonsense. We are not expected to risk anything. To buy a ticket is not an obligation, it is a choice. And the risk is always there. It was there during the TCWT when the first symptoms appeared, all through the 'Celine' residency, the mini tours, and then the CWT. And it is clear that the situation is affecting you on a personal level. You are experiencing strong emotional reactions evidenced in the harsh language you have been using. You are feeling sad, frustrated, exploited, almost betrayed, because you did not get what you wanted when you wanted it. The fact that you attempt to come off as neutral, framing this as a transactional expectation, actually confirms my point. You are basically entitled to her privacy, you are feeling hurt when Celine behaves in ways that do not much your expectations, and your reactions are very strong. These are signs of a para-social relationship. Choosing to attend a tour, taking a seat back, enjoying the moment, and patiently waiting for updates is NOT a sign of a para-social mindset. It's called adulting. You are projecting a lot of emotions onto me that simply aren't there. I am neither sad nor feeling hurt or 'betrayed.' To be completely transparent: from a purely practical standpoint, seeing her in May actually works out significantly better for my schedule than September or October would have. I have my tickets, I am glad to go, and on a personal level, I am completely fine. My critique is, and has always been, strictly objective and professional. You don't need to be emotionally wounded to point out poor management. As another user rightly pointed out, if René were still here, things would not have been handled this carelessly. He maintained an immaculate standard for both business logistics and consumer respect. Let's not confuse objective criticism with personal drama. On 6/5/2026 at 9:56 PM, CelinesDIVO5 said: Also to add, nobody is denying the downfalls of her team. I’ve said th multiple times in my responses. They leave much to be desired. I could go on about my grievances dating back to 2002, but I won’t. I’ve just accepted that this is what her team is, and whatever I get from Celine after nearly 40 years…I’ll take! That doesn’t mean that I’m in denial though. My issue was with this person bitching and complaining about how things were going, and when I finally asked them what they would do or if they had any ideas to try and get through to her team as fans, I was met with snide remarks and how could I possibly think that the fans could have a movement to get through to her team. Total gaslighting in all of their posts. Since we all actually agree that her team's management 'leaves much to be desired,' let's just stick to the facts. Accusing me of just complaining without proposing solutions is completely ignoring what has already been discussed here. It was literally mentioned in this very thread that fans have talked about these issues and thought about sending an email to her team. What more do you expect? I don't have their personal phone numbers. To clarify my actual stance once and for all: 1.The Eurovision Rumors: Good management requires shutting down massive false rumors immediately, not letting them run wild for weeks to generate free buzz. 2.The Logistics: A traditional fan presale should have been a bare minimum for a community that has supported her for decades. 3.The Communication: When an artist announces a rare, degenerative health condition, it is completely natural for fans to worry. Expecting a simple, one-minute video update before dropping a massive tour announcement isn't entitled, it’s a basic way to keep a worried audience out of the dark. That is my opinion. You are completely free to disagree with it and choose to passively accept whatever the team does, but stop trying to paint objective, professional criticism as emotional drama or a personal attack. Edited June 6, 2026 at 03:22 PM by EmiOnyx Quote
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LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 03:27 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 03:27 PM On 6/6/2026 at 4:16 PM, EmiOnyx said: You are projecting a lot of emotions onto me that simply aren't there. I am neither sad nor feeling hurt or 'betrayed.' To be completely transparent: from a purely practical standpoint, seeing her in May actually works out significantly better for my schedule than September or October would have. I have my tickets, I am glad to go, and on a personal level, I am completely fine. My critique is, and has always been, strictly objective and professional. You don't need to be emotionally wounded to point out poor management. As another user rightly pointed out, if René were still here, things would not have been handled this carelessly. He maintained an immaculate standard for both business logistics and consumer respect. Let's not confuse objective criticism with personal drama. I am not projecting anything because I am not experiencing any of the emotions that I attributed to you. Your gaslighting is not going to work with me. I know what I read and I know when a person is neutral and when they are emotionally charged. You were the latter. And you were not objective, because you jumped into conclusions as too many members here have already demonstrated. Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 03:52 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 03:52 PM On 6/5/2026 at 10:47 PM, Els said: I'm not going to try to re-litigate anything here, and I'm not calling anyone out in particular or trying to start anything. This is just what's been sort of brewing in my mind on the topic, so take it for what it's worth. (Also, it's like 4:30am, so hopefully this will make sense 😅) But what I will say is that post-diagnosis/post-documentary, I think all the codes get thrown out. Would I personally like there to be more communication? Selfishly, yes. I am always interested, as are most of us here probably, in hearing from her, seeing what she's up to, knowing what's going on, having more content, etc. But especially since her illness, I think a lot about how she's spent her whole life having to live even the most personal things in the public eye. How she took it in stride -- the "I am an open book narrative". She never said that it was easy or "fun" to do things that way. Some of it is her sincerity and nature. But she's also talked before how some of that was self-defensive (Denise Bombardier interview and essay), how some of that was a way of overcoming her own shyness (all over the early 90s US-breakthrough interviews), etc. If we go back further, her teenage interviews in the 80s magazines mention how that aspect not been easy and has been awkward and sometimes painful for her. Most recently, in the documentary, she talks about "the price to pay" and worrying about disappointing people if she's not good enough or close enough to what people expect, or "Celine Dion" (American accent) enough... And that brings us to now: she's at a point in her career where she has nothing left to prove, nowhere else in her career where she needs a strategy in place to pierce through or rise further. And it coincides with a time when she's been going through something healthwise that is difficult and painful -- we've been literally shown how much. And she's still given us some sporadic updates. Sure, it's not a lot and not always predictable or consistent. Sure, her team isn't great at the social media stuff. But she's made sure we've known the broad strokes of what's going on. And not only that, but also some small appearances (Serge Fiori, Ginette Reno, the Grammys, that City of Hope gala in 2024), a few social media posts that try to be more "in connection" or just a person having fun with her audience (the TikToks), and of course the Olympics. I don't feel entitled to more. Would I like more? Again, selfishly, sure. But I don't think for one minute that she owes us that. She doesn't owe us anything. Look where she was just a couple of years ago. And remember that her condition is unpredictable. And even if I believe her when she says that she's doing great and feeling strong... I also believe that having a chronic illness changes a person's relationship to everything. To their body, to how much they may want to be seen, to life in general. Even before this, she was always a person who was discreet. In the D'eux anniversary documentary, she mentions off-handedly being in London and not calling up JJG because she "didn't want to bother him". Drucker said how since her illness, she sort of retreated a little, even from her friends. There was a moment when Claudette said that it had been a while since she talked to the family. I think that shows a person who was trying to work through her new reality in private. A person going through something. A person who (as she has often said) tries to only talk when she has something to say, tries not to be, as she often says, "prétentieuse"... A person who has, at different points in her career (pre-Incognito break, pre-2000 hiatus) said that she worries that people will get sick of her when she's been present a lot... I'm not validating those worries on her behalf, but they show us the kind of person she is and the sort of paradoxical self-consciousness that she has. I think left to her own devices, she's not the kind of person who is going to seek out social media or the cameras unless she has something that she wants to say and is ready to say it. On the contrary, she is the kind of person who has a song basically lamenting smartphones and social media (Les yeux au ciel). And the other side of things: if she's taken stock of things now that this illness has forced her to, and maybe decided that not everything should be a "price to pay" or done out of fear of disappointing the people or because that's "just the way things are done"? If maybe, just for one tiny sliver of her 45+ year career, she can finally stop playing by all the rigid codes or even allow herself to break them a little (no official interviews despite a new single and show, her first "album cover" since her return with the new single where she's facing away from the camera, etc.)? Even if that's not the "orthodox" way of doing things? Even if it's not "what the people want"? Well, more power to her. I'm glad for her if she just gets to do the parts that feel rewarding to her. I still have the images of that documentary burned in my brain. Alongside the images of her at 14, at 17... sensitive and big hearted and tender. The little girl who sang "Au secours, il me faut beaucoup d'amour...". Alongside that interview with Lola Dubini where she cries as she talks about people being mean to her when she was a kid. And as big of a star as she is, as big as the machine is, and all the industry stuff and capitalism... I personally still can't help but see her humanity. It's what touches me the most about her. Her softness in a hard world, her rejection of cynicism... I wish more people would remember that person that she is behind it all. After that documentary, I thought that the world -- and her fans especially! -- would be a little gentler with her. When she did start sporadically posting on socials again, I was so surprised to see all the millions of comments begging for something -- a comeback, a song, anything --, despite what she had then only recently shown us she was going through. It really rubbed me the wrong way. But I told myself, people are just worried for her; this is their way of hoping things get "back to normal" because that would be a sign that she's doing ok and they can worry a little less. And now, against all odds, she's feeling strong enough to come back. I really wasn't sure it would happen. I don't think she was either. It's amazing! She's doing an incredible, beautiful thing! A hard thing! A thing that she has described as for her and for us! And god... the CONSTANT complaints and critiques and begging for something better or different or "not this way" or whatever break my heart for her and really feel gross to me. Like she's some kind of vending machine that you can put a coin in and get exactly what you want out. That whole apple tree thing... have you guys read The Giving Tree? Because that's pretty much the narrative there... Maybe I'm just naive or too sensitive or whatever... but I really, honestly believed that just this once we'd actually be here for the tree. And if that's not the case and I'm just an idiot, then maybe all the people who are waiting in line for their apples can give it a couple more months until you get yours before you already complain about them. I'm not even going to touch the industry stuff. We don't know anything about her contracts, obligations, internal workings of any of the massive conglomerates, etc. We don't actually know her/her team's interactions with them, who controls what, or how any of that stuff has actually worked in this case. All we know is what she's showing us, and I'm grateful for every little glimpse and just don't want anything to tarnish that. Good night, friends. I hope tomorrow will be a happier day. I actually agree with you on most of your points. However, I don't think expecting a basic update is selfish, especially knowing now that she is continuing her career. There is a huge middle ground between treating an artist like a 'vending machine' and expecting a bare minimum of professionalism from a multi-million dollar management team. Personally, if she had chosen to retire to focus entirely on her health, I would have fully supported and respected that decision. But leaving fans completely in the dark for two years, only to return with a massive, highly commercial corporate rollout, naturally raises questions about how the transition was managed. Céline is dealing with a severe illness, yes, but she is an adult woman, not a child. Infantile-izing her to guilt-trip anyone who dares to critically analyze her team's logistical and communication failures is a bit much. Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:03 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:03 PM On 6/6/2026 at 11:27 AM, LukeD said: I am not projecting anything because I am not experiencing any of the emotions that I attributed to you. Your gaslighting is not going to work with me. I know what I read and I know when a person is neutral and when they are emotionally charged. You were the latter. And you were not objective, because you jumped into conclusions as too many members here have already demonstrated. The irony of accusing me of gaslighting while actively trying to tell me how I feel is remarkable. If pointing out the exact same managerial flaws that everyone else here is seeing makes me 'not objective' in your eyes, then we clearly have different definitions of the word. While expressions regarding FOMO or consumer treatment are interpretations, the foundation of my argument has always been entirely factual and objective. You are hyper-focusing on the form because you cannot refute the substance. 1 Quote
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:26 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:26 PM On 6/6/2026 at 5:03 PM, EmiOnyx said: The irony of accusing me of gaslighting while actively trying to tell me how I feel is remarkable. If pointing out the exact same managerial flaws that everyone else here is seeing makes me 'not objective' in your eyes, then we clearly have different definitions of the word. While expressions regarding FOMO or consumer treatment are interpretations, the foundation of my argument has always been entirely factual and objective. You are hyper-focusing on the form because you cannot refute the substance. You have used harsh language to describe both the management team and members of the forum. You were the first one to repeatedly resort into condescending statements. This is enough evidence to demonstrate you have been emotionally charged, if the fact that you have flooded 10 pages with your complaints was not enough. And you are not only pointing out objective flaws, you jump into conclusions and complain about how you feel disrespected, exploited and like a cash cow, disregarding the outlined legal, medical and marketing reasons as to why an update was not given. You have taken this personally and it is sort of comical trying to deny it, but please keep reaching. 1 1 Quote
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:38 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:38 PM (edited) On 6/6/2026 at 5:03 PM, EmiOnyx said: The irony of accusing me of gaslighting while actively trying to tell me how I feel is remarkable. It was another member who pointed out the para-social vibes of your posts. And then another 5 who liked the post, including me. All 6 of us try to gaslight you? 🙄 Edited June 6, 2026 at 04:38 PM by LukeD Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:40 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:40 PM On 6/6/2026 at 12:26 PM, LukeD said: You have used harsh language to describe both the management team and members of the forum. You were the first one to repeatedly resort into condescending statements. This is enough evidence to demonstrate you have been emotionally charged, if the fact that you have flooded 10 pages with your complaints was not enough. And you are not only pointing out objective flaws, you jump into conclusions and complain about how you feel disrespected, exploited and like a cash cow, disregarding the outlined legal, medical and marketing reasons as to why an update was not given. You have taken this personally and it is sort of comical trying to deny it, but please keep reaching. If I stated the same points repeatedly over those pages, it wasn't because I was 'complaining in circles' for the sake of it, it was because I was actively responding to another member who kept fiercely denying objective facts. When someone goes so far as to demand flight logs and 'passenger manifests' just to avoid admitting a PR failure, yes, you have to restate the facts until they finally stop denying them. To watch that same member finally turn around, concede that management 'leaves much to be desired,' and then complain that I wasn't 'proposing solutions' is the real absurdity here. Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:45 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:45 PM On 6/6/2026 at 12:38 PM, LukeD said: It was another member who pointed out the para-social vibes of your posts. And then another 5 who liked the post, including me. All 6 of us try to gaslight you? 🙄 Bringing up the fact that five people liked a post to prove your point is the ultimate echo-chamber argument. This is a fan forum, it is naturally filled with biased users who will defend the artist and management at all costs, regardless of the errors committed. A crowd agreeing on a mistake doesn't make it right. Quote
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:47 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:47 PM On 6/6/2026 at 5:40 PM, EmiOnyx said: If I stated the same points repeatedly over those pages, it wasn't because I was 'complaining in circles' for the sake of it, it was because I was actively responding to another member who kept fiercely denying objective facts. When someone goes so far as to demand flight logs and 'passenger manifests' just to avoid admitting a PR failure, yes, you have to restate the facts until they finally stop denying them. To watch that same member finally turn around, concede that management 'leaves much to be desired,' and then complain that I wasn't 'proposing solutions' is the real absurdity here. Typical. It is always others' fault. In the meantime, nobody denied the facts - what is debated is the meaning one attaches to them. And you have complained in circles about not receiving a health update, disregarding the outlined legal, medical, marketing reasons as to why an update was not given. 1 Quote
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:48 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:48 PM On 6/6/2026 at 5:45 PM, EmiOnyx said: Bringing up the fact that five people liked a post to prove your point is the ultimate echo-chamber argument. This is a fan forum, it is naturally filled with biased users who will defend the artist and management at all costs, regardless of the errors committed. A crowd agreeing on a mistake doesn't make it right. I did not bring up people to prove my point. You accused me of telling you how you feel, implying I was gaslighting you. To which I respond that a total 6 people viewed the same emotional reactions that I did. So all of us are biased, trying to gaslight you? Ugh! Please, don't flatter yourself. Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:57 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:57 PM On 6/6/2026 at 12:47 PM, LukeD said: Typical. It is always others' fault. In the meantime, nobody denied the facts - what is debated is the meaning one attaches to them. And you have complained in circles about not receiving a health update, disregarding the outlined legal, medical, marketing reasons as to why an update was not given. Are you kidding me? Did you actually read the thread, or do you just have severe comprehension issues? To claim 'nobody denied the facts' is pure gaslighting. The other member spent pages calling the Eurovision news 'tabloid rumors' and blaming fans. Same about the newsletter. It's not only about the health update and btw you keep saying I'm not objective while justifying the lack of health update with assumptions about the marketing, etc. Give me a break. Quote
cdurand54 Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:57 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 04:57 PM (edited) For those who couldn’t get tickets for the concerts, I have a link I got on a discord channel with a code, email etc. Private message me for the link etc . It's totally working i just got my tickets there for MAY 27 I can share it with you if you’d like. It’s an alternative to Eventtravel. You’ll also need to create an account on Ticketmaster France (which is separate from other Ticketmaster sites). I’m not selling tickets — I’m just here to help. There are still Platinum tickets available for some dates in May (ranging from €240 to €745 depending on the date). The more expensive the ticket, the better the seat. If i am not allowed to post this please let me know i'll deleted that post. Edited June 6, 2026 at 04:57 PM by cdurand54 3 1 Quote
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 05:38 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 05:38 PM (edited) On 6/6/2026 at 5:57 PM, EmiOnyx said: Are you kidding me? Did you actually read the thread, or do you just have severe comprehension issues? To claim 'nobody denied the facts' is pure gaslighting. The other member spent pages calling the Eurovision news 'tabloid rumors' and blaming fans. Same about the newsletter. It's not only about the health update and btw you keep saying I'm not objective while justifying the lack of health update with assumptions about the marketing, etc. Give me a break. Are you serious? So you are being objective when you say we are being exploited? You would only be objective if you knew FOR SURE that no medical, no legal, no marketing reasons affected the decision not to give an update. Do you know for sure that such reasons do not apply? No! End of story. An objective person that is in need of an update, would weigh the situation, sit back and wait for the upcoming promotional appearances to check whether a legitimate reason is disclosed. And if Celine and her team fail to disclose anything, then by all means knock yourself out and write an angry manifesto. And I stand by what I said that your disagreement with CelinesDIVO5 was in terms of how the two of you interpreted facts. But I'll let him respond to this, if he wishes. Edited June 6, 2026 at 05:42 PM by LukeD 1 Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 05:55 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 05:55 PM On 6/6/2026 at 1:38 PM, LukeD said: Are you serious? So you are being objective when you say we are being exploited? You would only be objective if you knew FOR SURE that no medical, no legal, no marketing reasons affected the decision not to give an update. Do you know for sure that such reasons do not apply? No! End of story. An objective person that is in need of an update, would weigh the situation, sit back and wait for the upcoming promotional appearances to check whether a legitimate reason is disclosed. And if Celine and her team fail to disclose anything, then by all means knock yourself out and write an angry manifesto. And I stand by what I said that your disagreement with CelinesDIVO5 was in terms of how the two of you interpreted facts. But I'll let him respond to this, if he wishes. I am not going to keep repeating the same things in circles for you, I've already addressed it. I’m done wasting my time. Enjoy arguing with yourself. 1 Quote
CelinesDIVO5 Posted June 6, 2026 at 06:02 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 06:02 PM On 6/6/2026 at 11:16 AM, EmiOnyx said: You are projecting a lot of emotions onto me that simply aren't there. I am neither sad nor feeling hurt or 'betrayed.' To be completely transparent: from a purely practical standpoint, seeing her in May actually works out significantly better for my schedule than September or October would have. I have my tickets, I am glad to go, and on a personal level, I am completely fine. My critique is, and has always been, strictly objective and professional. You don't need to be emotionally wounded to point out poor management. As another user rightly pointed out, if René were still here, things would not have been handled this carelessly. He maintained an immaculate standard for both business logistics and consumer respect. Let's not confuse objective criticism with personal drama. Since we all actually agree that her team's management 'leaves much to be desired,' let's just stick to the facts. Accusing me of just complaining without proposing solutions is completely ignoring what has already been discussed here. It was literally mentioned in this very thread that fans have talked about these issues and thought about sending an email to her team. What more do you expect? I don't have their personal phone numbers. To clarify my actual stance once and for all: 1.The Eurovision Rumors: Good management requires shutting down massive false rumors immediately, not letting them run wild for weeks to generate free buzz. 2.The Logistics: A traditional fan presale should have been a bare minimum for a community that has supported her for decades. 3.The Communication: When an artist announces a rare, degenerative health condition, it is completely natural for fans to worry. Expecting a simple, one-minute video update before dropping a massive tour announcement isn't entitled, it’s a basic way to keep a worried audience out of the dark. That is my opinion. You are completely free to disagree with it and choose to passively accept whatever the team does, but stop trying to paint objective, professional criticism as emotional drama or a personal attack. 1. Eurovision: They didn’t release a statement at the time because she was never actually slated to be there. This was conveyed by a video message instead of a live appearance. The statement that came in September of 2025, was because more false reports came out in September of 2025, saying that she was actually on site in Basel and pulled out last minute due to an SPS episode. Her team responded specifically to shut that rumor down. 2. Logistics: Live Nation isn’t interested in fan presales. They are interested in capital gain. Period. TeamCeline cannot hold their own private fan sale. 3. Celine did in fact provide a video, saying that she feels great and cannot wait to get back on stage. This was part of the tour announcement. That’s your update. I still don’t understand the complaint for this. On 6/6/2026 at 11:52 AM, EmiOnyx said: I actually agree with you on most of your points. However, I don't think expecting a basic update is selfish, especially knowing now that she is continuing her career. There is a huge middle ground between treating an artist like a 'vending machine' and expecting a bare minimum of professionalism from a multi-million dollar management team. Personally, if she had chosen to retire to focus entirely on her health, I would have fully supported and respected that decision. But leaving fans completely in the dark for two years, only to return with a massive, highly commercial corporate rollout, naturally raises questions about how the transition was managed. Céline is dealing with a severe illness, yes, but she is an adult woman, not a child. Infantile-izing her to guilt-trip anyone who dares to critically analyze her team's logistical and communication failures is a bit much. Yes. Everyone is wondering how she was able to make the transition. She has a story to tell, and as we get closer to the album release and tour, she will sit down for interviews and tell it. That’s called marketing. We weren’t left in the dark. That would imply that we are entitled to information regarding her health. We are not. We don’t need several separate updates. Let her tell her story when she’s ready. It will come in time. On 6/6/2026 at 12:40 PM, EmiOnyx said: If I stated the same points repeatedly over those pages, it wasn't because I was 'complaining in circles' for the sake of it, it was because I was actively responding to another member who kept fiercely denying objective facts. When someone goes so far as to demand flight logs and 'passenger manifests' just to avoid admitting a PR failure, yes, you have to restate the facts until they finally stop denying them. To watch that same member finally turn around, concede that management 'leaves much to be desired,' and then complain that I wasn't 'proposing solutions' is the real absurdity here. I did not demand flight logs. You retorted with something about someone tracking her private plane. I simply asked if any of the people reporting her presence had any hard evidence that she was there. There’s no way to tell if it was her plane because she doesn’t own her own plane. It would have had to be a privately booked plane. So unless reporters had any flight logs, passenger manifests or evidence that Celine’s team had booked a plane, it was all rumors and tabloid fodder. Which many of us fell for out of emotion and excitement. When she didn’t actually show, that should have been the end of it. Her team did not need to issue a statement about this, until it was later reported that it was actually a health scare that pulled her out of commission at the very last minute. I have not denied the facts of poor management. I have simply taken my own feelings and emotions out of the situation, and merely stated objectives that have nothing to do with how I personally FEEL. On 6/6/2026 at 12:45 PM, EmiOnyx said: On 6/6/2026 at 12:45 PM, EmiOnyx said: 2 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
LukeD Posted June 6, 2026 at 06:18 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 06:18 PM (edited) On 6/6/2026 at 6:55 PM, EmiOnyx said: I am not going to keep repeating the same things in circles for you, I've already addressed it. I’m done wasting my time. Enjoy arguing with yourself. Comedy gold to pretend to be taking the high road when cornered, framing someone else as argumentative, despite YOUR extensive arguments with SEVERAL members. Edited June 6, 2026 at 06:20 PM by LukeD Quote
EmiOnyx Posted June 6, 2026 at 06:23 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 06:23 PM (edited) On 6/6/2026 at 2:02 PM, CelinesDIVO5 said: 1. Eurovision: They didn’t release a statement at the time because she was never actually slated to be there. This was conveyed by a video message instead of a live appearance. The statement that came in September of 2025, was because more false reports came out in September of 2025, saying that she was actually on site in Basel and pulled out last minute due to an SPS episode. Her team responded specifically to shut that rumor down. 2. Logistics: Live Nation isn’t interested in fan presales. They are interested in capital gain. Period. TeamCeline cannot hold their own private fan sale. 3. Celine did in fact provide a video, saying that she feels great and cannot wait to get back on stage. This was part of the tour announcement. That’s your update. I still don’t understand the complaint for this. Yes. Everyone is wondering how she was able to make the transition. She has a story to tell, and as we get closer to the album release and tour, she will sit down for interviews and tell it. That’s called marketing. We weren’t left in the dark. That would imply that we are entitled to information regarding her health. We are not. We don’t need several separate updates. Let her tell her story when she’s ready. It will come in time. I did not demand flight logs. You retorted with something about someone tracking her private plane. I simply asked if any of the people reporting her presence had any hard evidence that she was there. There’s no way to tell if it was her plane because she doesn’t own her own plane. It would have had to be a privately booked plane. So unless reporters had any flight logs, passenger manifests or evidence that Celine’s team had booked a plane, it was all rumors and tabloid fodder. Which many of us fell for out of emotion and excitement. When she didn’t actually show, that should have been the end of it. Her team did not need to issue a statement about this, until it was later reported that it was actually a health scare that pulled her out of commission at the very last minute. I have not denied the facts of poor management. I have simply taken my own feelings and emotions out of the situation, and merely stated objectives that have nothing to do with how I personally FEEL. Regarding Eurovision, the team responded several months later, but their denial went completely under the radar because the French press kept reporting that she had felt ill and had to leave. It wasn't a fan invention. As for the rest, I am not going to repeat what I already stated. I can actually agree with you on that specific point regarding Live Nation. The reality of today's music industry is that true exclusivity for fan clubs has mostly disappeared in favor of mass-marketing systems, and it's honestly sad for long-time supporters. Edited June 6, 2026 at 06:37 PM by EmiOnyx Quote
Coffeegirl Posted June 6, 2026 at 07:02 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 07:02 PM On 6/6/2026 at 7:23 PM, EmiOnyx said: Regarding Eurovision, the team responded several months later, but their denial went completely under the radar because the French press kept reporting that she had felt ill and had to leave. It wasn't a fan invention. As for the rest, I am not going to repeat what I already stated. However, concerning your logistics defense: if Live Nation simply 'isn't interested' in doing fan presales anymore, then explain why the Red Heads got an exclusive presale ? The whole thing was a fan invention, someone got lucky tracking a private jet from vegas to Paris for the Olympics, it was mentioned on the forum and by morning it was shared all over X and reached mainstream news channels. This turned out to be a lucky guess. someone did the same with a private jet flying to Basel from LA I believe, again this reached socials and mainstream news outlets, any talk of an appearance by the official broadcaster I believe was in reference to her pre recorded message aired during one of the semi finals and of course the statements of ‘we’ve left the door open for an appearance’ was most likely a marketing tactic to get people to watch. Celine's team only released a statement after the fact, when a French documentary claimed she was in Basel but had a medical episode so couldn’t appear. Now given that she’s just announced a Paris residency and this all happened in the latter half of last year, it’s totally plausible that the statement was released in order to reassure the multiple investors for the residency. I don’t ever recall Celines team actively shooting down rumours prior to this, I mean I saw an AI generated image of Celine and Pepe only today holding babies stating they’d just welcomed twins. Would you expect her team to put out a statement denying that also? They’d be posting statements daily if they were to address all rumours & speculation regarding Celine. And the redheads clearly have a contact within her team. It wasn’t a presale they were most likely gifted tickets. 1 Quote
CelinesDIVO5 Posted June 6, 2026 at 07:43 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 07:43 PM On 6/6/2026 at 2:23 PM, EmiOnyx said: Regarding Eurovision, the team responded several months later, but their denial went completely under the radar because the French press kept reporting that she had felt ill and had to leave. It wasn't a fan invention. As for the rest, I am not going to repeat what I already stated. I can actually agree with you on that specific point regarding Live Nation. The reality of today's music industry is that true exclusivity for fan clubs has mostly disappeared in favor of mass-marketing systems, and it's honestly sad for long-time supporters. I never said that Eurovision rumors were created by fans. They were however, very much spread by fans. The fans got it from the media, much of that media being tabloid sources. The rumors of her being at the festival when she wasn’t were just that. Rumors. They passed a video message from Celine. Nothing needed to be addressed at that time. The rumors of her falling ill started to swirl in September, and that’s when Celine’s team stepped in to address and squash. Rightfully so. That is something that actually needs attention. 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
Bellamy Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:51 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:51 PM Just found out I paid a 15 euro insurance for nothing. Be careful with the insurance policies. 2 Quote Please support the forum by ordering everything through our special Amazon.com link Click here. Thank you!
Els Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:52 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:52 PM On 6/6/2026 at 5:52 PM, EmiOnyx said: I actually agree with you on most of your points. However, I don't think expecting a basic update is selfish, especially knowing now that she is continuing her career. There is a huge middle ground between treating an artist like a 'vending machine' and expecting a bare minimum of professionalism from a multi-million dollar management team. Personally, if she had chosen to retire to focus entirely on her health, I would have fully supported and respected that decision. But leaving fans completely in the dark for two years, only to return with a massive, highly commercial corporate rollout, naturally raises questions about how the transition was managed. Céline is dealing with a severe illness, yes, but she is an adult woman, not a child. Infantile-izing her to guilt-trip anyone who dares to critically analyze her team's logistical and communication failures is a bit much. I really don't want to drag this out even further and continue this conversation. But I don't see how I've infantilized her by trying to say that I'm glad she has reached a point in her career and life where can do things her way without having to rigidly follow the codes in the same way that artists "have to" while they're still building their careers. If I mentioned her childhood and youth, it was only to show "objectively" (I just mean, with historical evidence) how she's always been consistent, since her earliest days, on the points that I brought up, whether it be about the difficulty of the "open book" stuff or the sort of ethics of humanity that she has consistently practiced, as a person who has made it a point to let us see her sensitivity and soft spots, even when it's not always been easy. I don't find any of that infantilizing in the least, and I don't think it infantilizes artists to want them to be treated with a little grace and humanity, especially by their own fans. None of this is about trying to guilt-trip anyone, but if we can call out "bad behavior" from her team or the companies involved in this show, then it's also fair game to call out "bad behavior" from fans. 3 Quote
LeChauffeur100 Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:52 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:52 PM I really miss listening to that song that goes like “that’s just the teacher in me, baby”. Oops I mean “woman”. Anyways… 1 Quote EVERYONE AFRAID TO BE FORGOTTEN - album & film by ionnalee; out NOW at ionnalee.comhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF-8uJUpL5A
CelinesDIVO5 Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:55 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 09:55 PM On 6/6/2026 at 5:52 PM, LeChauffeur100 said: I really miss listening to that song that goes like “that’s just the teacher in me, baby”. Oops I mean “woman”. Anyways… Don’t summon it!!!! 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL54qnRGM2gMatthew Charles - "Fix You" - Live at The Stonewall InnStonewall Sensation - Season 15Originally written and performed by Coldplay
SuperLove4Celine Posted June 6, 2026 at 11:08 PM Posted June 6, 2026 at 11:08 PM I also like ice cream. Milkshakes are yummy. 3 Quote
LeChauffeur100 Posted June 7, 2026 at 04:22 AM Posted June 7, 2026 at 04:22 AM On 6/6/2026 at 8:08 PM, SuperLove4Celine said: I also like ice cream. Milkshakes are yummy. Same, honestly. Ice cream is elite-tier comfort food for me! Milkshakes are basically ice cream that decided to become a beverage and somehow got away with it. Peak loophole cuisine. Can’t wait to taste the French ones in September. 😋😋😋 2 Quote EVERYONE AFRAID TO BE FORGOTTEN - album & film by ionnalee; out NOW at ionnalee.comhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF-8uJUpL5A
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